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Maximus69:
@bolded is where i'm interested!

My advice to you is to calm down and learn how one book have made people of different races from different parts of the earth come together as one big happy family without OLYMPIC or FIFA world cup that only makes people shakeup just for few weeks only to go back and hold onto their nationalistic ideologies!

You're only going to kill yourself with envy only to die for nothing that's of no benefit for either you or your unborn generation. Nobody will remember you after you have died for racism!

Where are the children of Herbert McCauley, Amadu Bello, Obafemi Awolowo, Kwame Nkuruma, Nelson Mandela. They all suffered and died for racism and today their bodies rotten in the grave and their children nowhere to be found as in forgotten!

All what they suffered for is in vain, as those who followed them (in politics) squandered all what they worked for. That's black brains for you my friend!

My advice is for you to go and re-educate yourself regards history and free yourself from the falsities from within Abrahamic religions.

Again i point out the fact that you have failed to address the questions posed here and continue to veer off on a tangent.

All Abrahamic religious text are fake, false and counterintuitive.

Amadu Bello, Obafemi Awolowo, Herbert McCauley, Kwame Nkuruma, Nelson Mandela, Nnamdi Azikwe, Obafemi Awolowo, Thomas Sankara all served their people as Pan Africanist.

Many of their type will forever be engraved into the positive parts of African history.

These are the concepts and kind of understanding that pays and not rhetoric and false assertions.

There lies no envy in despelling the fakery of manufactured histories.

All the Abrahamic religions peddle a false and wholly unrealistic version of history.

Planet Earth is the oldest living thang in the world today.

Those that are suggesting the Earth is 6,000 years old are utterly wrong.

African people have been in existence for over 1,000,000 years; the current stock of Asians and Europeans appear 100,000 - 200,000 years ago.

Giving these understandings then the Earth is found to be older than 6,000 years.

Furthermore, there are structures found in our continent that are over 10,000 years old. During the so-called Jurasic Period, there are fossils from turtles of those period that lived for over 10,000 years old.

Some of our ancestors have been discovered dating back to over 10,000 years.

These understandings aswell tells us that planet Earth has been in existence for over 6,000 years.

All Abrahamic religious text are false, fake and counterintuitive.

Maximus69:
@bolded is where your confusion is hiding!

People only find it easy to unite with people of their race or nationality but the Bible has worked out something unusual as in something strange! People from different races formed one big happy family of peace loving worshippers and everyone on this planet know them by a group name Jehovah's Witnesses![/b,] There is no secret to this other than the words found in that wonderful book of books [b]{Bible}

So it's you that should present another book or history of any kind that's strong enough to unite people from different races like that!

You have failed to provide any coherent answers to any of the questions my post presents and yet you continue to make use of false assertions that are unverifiable and keep refering to narratives that have already be proven to be false.

Abrahamic religions are divisive and the main causes of pain and suffering across the world of today.

No good has ever come out of all the Abrahamic religions. All the history of the Abrahamic religions are full of warmongery, stealing, looting and all the other activities of unbelievable violence that they partook.

My advice to you is to go and re-educate yourself with regards real history and free yourself from the falsities from within all the Abrahamic religious text out there.

Maximus69:
Everything written in the Bible is true...

No it isnt. Its filled with lies and fabrications.

The authors of the Christian bible are liars and fakers.

The bible does not unite anyone, its a devisive piece of writing and a propagandist tool.

You continue to make false assertions that further asists in compounding your ignorance.

Name one place on planet Earth that you think Abrahamic religious text has brought either peace or unity.

Abrahamic religions peddle a false representation of history.

Rather than being a force for unity, the Abrahamic religions are highly divisive.

Maximus69:
Whatever you or i say for now is not a fact until it's proven, therefore i can also say that all what you've been saying against the Bible is bullshit!

Moreover there is no way to establish whether the stories {history} written in the Bible are FAKE or REAL until it has failed to workout!

I told you from the onset that there is just one logic to ascertain the authenticity of something, (1) Theories
(2) Practical applications
(3) Benefits

Whatever history you and i carry in our heads remains just like the THEORIES, we need to make a presentation of the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS as in how to put it to use, then let observers see the BENEFITS for themselves!

Apart from this logic, you will just continue to argue based on sentiments for what's infused in your brains, while i will also continue to speak based on the Bible in support of what's infused in my brains!

I have told you several times that the only purpose for worship that's indisputable from the intellectual point of view should be to unite people of all sort.

Ignorance isnt said to be bliss on its own accord.

History is suppose to be a true account of events and not an invention.

The only histories that are invented are the false ones.

History is meant as to amount to the truth regarding a past event(s).

Apart from studying History as a discipline, historians are able to determine a true account of past historical events by honing the knowledge and skills present within various other disciplines that would normally include studies in the Anatomical Sciences, Analytics, Anthropology, Archeology, Biology, Genetics Sciences, Geology, Morphology, Paleontology and other mainly scientific techniques and processes.

Maximus69:
Jehovah's Witnesses are sure evidence that the Bible is authentic....

Was that meant as some sick joke?

Sorry, but i didnt find it at all funny.

Oh! wait... No!! You cant possibly be wanting to use the argument that a Christian sect known as Jehovah Witness is your proof that Christianity isnt Roman, could you?

Maximus69:
Moreover there is no way to establish whether the stories {history} written in the Bible are FAKE or REAL

Name any of the famous stories in Abrahamic religious text and let me prove to you that they are indeed fake.

There are only a few gardens throughout history that are really worthy of study, most of them are botanical, are real and their locations well known.

My personal favourite has to be the botanical relief construct of the Syrian king known as Sennacherib (was said to have reigned 704 - 682BCE) for his palace; commomly known as the 'Hanging Garden at Nineve'.

Question:

Where is Nineve?

Answer:

Mosul, Nineveh Governorate, Iraq.


What relevance has the garden in Nineveh got to does with Eden?

Firstly, the Garden at Nineve is considered by most historians to be the model behind the ficticious Bablyonian garden popularly romanticized into one of the seven 'Wonders of the World'.

Secondly, there are various aspects of the Hanging Gardens that find themselves in many other garden stories. i.e Garden of Eden

Furthermore, the authors of Abrahamic religious text have been found to have exploited Nineve in more ways than only that of the Garden of Eden story.

Note: Assuming one would go deeper still, then one could as well point out the fact that the name 'Eve' is a derivative of the place known as 'Nineve'.

The Garden of Eden story isnt real.

There are numerous falsities being peddled by the authors of the Garden of Eden story.


Firstly, according to history, humanity on planet Earth begins South of the Sahara and not in the middle of nowhere in an imaginery garden.

Secondly, neither Adam nor Eve are names that originate from within the regions South of the Sahara.

Furthermore, there are neither corroborating evidence from within our continent nor are there any such physical evidence of an Eden anywhere on the planet.

Plus, the Garden of Eden storyline is utterly fake.

budaatum:
I thought you said it was an allegory, a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.

I was hoping you could reveal what it allegorised. My bad.

Its fair to say that everyone knows the tasteless allegory that can be found within the Garden of Eden storyline; it has to does with its message of misogyny.

The so-called allegory isnt a natural one, instead its the authors of the Garden of Eden story's deep rooted misogyny revealing itself to the reader.

Most historians use approximately 4.5 billion years as the age of our planet.

Given the present gaps in history and the understanding that has Earth predating all humankind, then one could easily suggest that our planet is probably older than what the current analysis of the radiometric data would allow us to agree upon.

For one to achieve a true understanding of history, one has to be able to determine the true African narrative

That is to say, eventhough the impact may seem humongous and probably was at various points, the trans Atlantic campaign and Colonisation represents less than 1% of African history.

Assuming today is 100%, then about 94% of history is yet to be explored by many of our modern day academics on the continent.

My brothers and sisters lets combine to make our continent greater again and some more.

The Christian bible is a Roman invention that their leaders first used on their peasants.

All the authors of the Christian bible are Roman.

Assuming Angels are real beings as depicted in Abrahamic religious text, then all of them would probably be blacksic, brown and bronze.

Furthermore, its a wholly unrealistic and false assertion that suggest so-called Angels to have written the Christian bible due to the fact that history tells us that all the authors were infact Roman.

Its a common misconception the suggestion that Ancient Egyptian history is tantamount to African history.

That isnt, what is undeniable however is the fact that Ancient Egyptians are Nubian and are African.

That is to say, the history of KM.T is a part of African history and NOT African history itself.

missjo:
Humanity as we know it today has its roots in the garden of Eden. Everything that existed before the creation of this garden was destroyed by the cataclysmic events of the asteroids.

The bible also confirms the belief that humanity began in what we refer to as Africa, although it would be North Africa to be precise.

My comments regarding what science can confirm are in parenthesis below:

Genesis 2:10-14 New International Version (NIV)
10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters.
11 The name of the first is the Pishon (believed to be the "Ganges) : it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold (India)
12 The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin and onyx are also there.
13 The name of the second river is the Gihon (The Nile); it winds through the entire land of Cush (Ethiopia)
14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur (Assyria). And the fourth river is the Euphrates. (the joining of Tigris and Euphrates is the site of ancient Babylon)


Please note that the continents as we know it only formed over hundreds of years beginning with the great flood. North Africa and the middle east were one land mass going by Genesis since rivers cannot cut across a sea.

This is the biblical proof that the flood brought about land movement/realignment, not in the exact way it is now but as a precursor to what scientists call tectonic plate movement.

Genesis 7:11 New International Version (NIV)
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month— on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.

Water burst forth from the ground as written above. The kind of force it would have taken to do this is enough to cause tectonic movements in the earth.

There are no history related content in the Christian bible.

There are no storyline or characters present in Abrahamic religious text that can claim to being original.

My advice is for you to go and re-educate yourself with regards to the real history of our planet.

According to history, humanity is said to have began in the regions South of the Sahara.

Civilisation began in Africa and moved up the Nile. These aspects of history predates the populating of the Nile region in years that amount in their thousands.

As in, Ancient Egyptian history represents about 5% of African history; given that the evidence suggests humanity began South of the Sahara, the history of our continent represents over 50% of the history of all human kind.

Its important to note that the current Egyptians have zero relations to the 'Ancient Egyptians' - originally known as the people of KM.T(Kemet, Kemit).

Read history textbooks authored by genuine historians:

. Africa in World History by Dr Hendrik Clarke

. The African Origin of Civilisation by Cheikh Anta Diop

. Africa: mother of "Western civilization" by Yosef-Ben-Jochannan

. New dimensions in African history by Yosef-Ben-Jochannan and Dr Hendrik Clarke.

. They Came Before Columbus: The African Presence in Ancient America by Dr Ivan Sertima

missjo:
This is also true. What the bible dates as 4004 BC is the creation of man, animals, the garden, etc,

Not really, the Christian bible isnt a history textbook.

There lies no weight in an assertion that uses the Abrahamic religious textual narrative as a point of reference due to the fact that those texts peddle a false and unrealistic representation of history.

Humanity began in Africa, then our ancestors went on to populate the other continents.

Africans have been living on our planet for over 1,000,000 years whilst the current stock of Asians and
Europeans appears 100,000 - 200,000 years ago.

There are various historians that suggest the Earth is older than 4.5 million years old, yet majority make use of these values.

budaatum:
"Allegory", you said, "invented" too, so not necessarily "false" if you deallegorise it and know what is being said.

The Garden of Eden storyline is false.

The allegory is merely the invention of the author of the Garden of Eden story.

budaatum:
What is being allegorised?

The Garden of Eden story is said to be an allegory of some sort.

That is to say, the glaring traits of misogyny coupled with the falsity within the contents of the Garden of Eden story goes further to prove that the authors of Abrahamic religious text are dubious and wholly untrustworthy.

Maximus69:
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Firstly, you havent made any attempt to adddress the fact that all the Abrahamic religious text are false, fake and counterintuitive.

Furthermore, why waste time with the false assertions you continualy make and instead show us your version of Christianity that you think to be associated with real history.

The so-called Allegory in the Garden of Eden isnt a natural one, it was an invention of the author of that specific chapter.

Let me make something absolutely clear here, before the Abrahamic religions came into our continent, men and women had equal status in our communities.

The author of that particular chapter shows traits of misogyny in constructing the talked about allegory.

Yet, the author of the content in the Garden of Eden story forgot to reason well.

Let's give the due respect to our women.

Was is not a woman that gave birth to the King/Queen before he/she becomes a dema-deity?

Let's kneel before the essence of our women.

Wasnt it a woman that gave birth to the invincible warrior before he/she became famous?

Isnt the author of the content in the Garden of Eden story that displays deep rooted distaste themselves born of a woman?

Let's give due respect to our women.

Legend has it that Shisha of Ilesha was herself a fiery warrior.

Furthermore, the importance of the so-called allegory being discussed here is ineffective due to the fact that the Garden of Eden storyline is false.

There isnt one character or storyline present in all of Abrahamic religious text that can claim to being original; if they wasnt stolen, they was copied, plagerised, sexed-up or outrightly fabricated.

All Abrahamic religious text are false, fake and counterintuitive.

Maximus69:
That's where you failed in all your struggle Sir!

Whenever you here of ideas forced into people's mind, then know today that it's not Christianity!

I've told you several times but you're just blinding yourself to facts.
Europeans aren't Christians!
They were never Christians!
Christianity just kicked off in less than 150 years ago from America!
All what you've heard before are paganism NOT Christianity!
Neither the Pope, nor the Bishop nor any of the renown religious title chiefs you know are Christians!
The book originated from amongst the Jews, but they're no more worshippers of the Author of the Bible!
So calm down to know what Christianity means and who are the Christians in our day before you can think of successfully debunking Christianity!

According to history the Romans invented Christianity, any other narrative regards the history of the Abrahamic religions is a lie.

All the evidence and facts allows for all the genuine historians to arrive at these conclusions.

Our planet is said to be millions and millions of years old.

Most historians use approximately 4.5 billion years old.

Theres no need to break up Nigeria.

The only way that such bold actions could possibly yield as positive results as intended, is for there to be a continental understanding.

I totally disagree with the suggestion that Op's thread is making.

Assuming your argument is that all of Africa should return to our old lines and boundaries, i totally agree with that thought process.

Assuming its a continental project then i will be the first to sign up.

The first humans to arrive on planet Earth are said to have done so from within the continent of Africa.

Furthermore, our ancestors are said to have proceed on to populate the rest of the other continents.

Dont know what the fuss, Abrahamic religions peddle a false and wholly unrealistic versions of history.

Saudi Arabia should be seen as a bad place for any up coming and aspiring to be greater nation to be modeling on.

Their true history is riddled with warmongery and other acts of unjustifiable violence that demands condemnation of the highest order.

All Abrahamic religious text are false, fake and counterintuitive.

Maximus69:
Why not tell me what your African civilization did to solve the problem caused by RACISM?

People from all nations have formed a global family of Peace loving worshippers under one religious organization when billions are still blinded with racism, and you're here saying you haven't seen the Result of what the Bible can do!

Ignorance isnt said to be bliss on its own accord.

My advice is go and re-educate yourself about real history and free yourself from the fakery inside of manufactured histories.

Racism is a Eurocentric construct. Kindly stop using these type of terminologies.

Kindly use the word 'discrimination' instead of allegorical terms as "racism".

Arabian fundamentalist, Eurocentric and Persian fundamentalist are known to use various methods in their attempt to hide the history of the world from the uninformed.

Majority of the manufactured histories concucted by Eurocentric writers are being peddled and consumed away from the places involved in the invention or maintainance of such falsities.

The Christian bible was invented by Eurocentric rulers to use on their peasants. In those days, majority of Europeans are forced to convert into Christianity.

Nowadays, a minority of Europeans are Christian.

Europe is one of the only continents that routinely has minority Christian, Jew and muslim sector as a representation of their overall population.

What should that tell us?

That tells us that majority of European societies are neither Christian, Jew or Muslim.

Why does it matter?

It matters because the Christian Bible is a Eurocentric invention that even the people of Europe themselves denounce.

The term sub Sahara needs to be recycled to relate to something else due to the fact that its an insult wrapped up in socio-scientific jargon.

In the social sciences, the term 'sub' always meant as 'subordinate, inferio to' or 'not good as X'.

Instead of making use of 'sub Sahara' in these kind of sensitive descriptions, let's all kindly choose 'South of the Sahara'.

South of the Sahara' is relatively accurate and factual as to its meaning, and to the best of my knowing, isnt seen as being derogatory.

'South of the Sahara' sits ontop of the Sahara.

How can 'South of the Sahara' be called sub Sahara?

In actual fact, the ''South'' in the 'South of Sahara' should never be seen as the sub to anyone or anything including the Sahara.

The term 'sub Sahara' is inaccurate and untrue in its own meaning.

Let's replace 'sub Sahara' with 'South of the Sahara.

It reads better.
It reads neutral.
It attempts a sound qualification.
It read and sounds well.
It doesnt attempt to quantify or make wild assumptions.


Cheers

Dasuks:
This is a very sad assertion. There's nothing new about African ppls from the Berbers in the north to us here in the sub saharan space trying to fit our genealogies into scripturally endorsed Semitic and other Eastern lines.

Problem is that we eliminate our self worth with this gibberish, because all of a sudden it becomes the indicator of value and the lens of legitimacy. We do not see value in our Niger Valley ancestry but rather will go the long mile to associate/famz ourselves with these more historically approved peoples. Nobody is claiming Nok and wearing it proudly!!!

Same for the other stories of different tribal ancestors coming from Mecca, Nubia, Israel, Egypt etc we keep putting ourselves down by insisting on these myths as a thing of pride. At the same time ppl from these lands dont rate us and do ot need to fit themselves into our own stories and myths. Man came from Africa. Oldest fossils are found in sub saharan Africa and yet the world never sees it fit to frame theit heritage from the base of Africa.... lol. Even with evidence.

Meanwhile the migration patterns that would be needed to prove all these flimsy stories isn't even strong enough to engender further engagement/study by scholars. Yet we still claim..

The Jews that some ppl claim to be descended from came from Mesopotamia ( both in the Abraham myth and fact) but would never use that as a basis of worth. Instead they are Jews and are so because they are themselves. No talk about thier ancestors being Chaldeans or Sumerians .

Not even during the Babylonian exile did they acquiesce to see themselves thru the Mesopotamian frame... let's learn from that.

The Abrahamic religious textual narrative is the favourite stories that West Asia and the Eurocentrics have come up with in there failed attempts to replace the real history of the world.

The authors of Abrahamic religious text fabricated and plagerised all of their content.

Precisely as you've stated, humanity began in Africa.

These are proven beyond resonable doubt, yet, due to the fact that Western Asia and the Eurocentrics attempt to hide their evil past, and try to avoid the question, 'Why

Did Arabia really have to distrupt in the way that they still are ?

Did the ancient Europeans really have to be that distruptive in the way that they still are?

Why did they choose to go down the path of distruption?

These are the questions they attempt to avoid when peddling their manufactured history.

Africa will prosper and put all our enemies to shame.

Globally, Nigeria is arguably one of the most influential countries in Africa; Ethiopia is easily top 5.

OruExpress:
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Apart from the warped narrative you present to your self, its obvious you have an ulterior motive.

Are you even Nigerian sef?

Wait...

Let me guess, No.

Then why in God's good planet are you butting into my conversation.

You MUST be ashamed of where you have come from. No ?

No matter where you claim from within the continent these same structures act as your own personal perpectual bodyguard.

My advice is for you to stop hating on the very structures that act as your own personal perpectual bodyguard and instead redirect your energy into assisting Africa in scoring our goals.

delishpot:
And that is all Africa has to show in these times that they as smart, civilised and advanced as other races? I ask again, what has Africa and Africans actively done to disprove their enemies that they are equal if not superior to they that look down on them? We can't even live in peace with each other talk less of building any meaningful thing. Heck we can't even manage our societies like civil people. Africa is full of sell outs, greedy and highly sexual men who only focus on acquiring wealth and keeping women subservient. No plans for the future of their societies, no desire to sacrifice for the betterment of their communities except it benefits them personally. I am sure those that were great in Africa are also different from the current ones. The present day African has no plans for his world.

Barring her generalisation, much of the stuff you state above are merely symptoms of the issues that Jane touched upon meticulously in the video.

That is the functions of us all, to educate those that are ignorant of the facts.

Humans arent mechanical objects, we have emotions and these are the things that the West Asians and Eurocentrics continue to dominate.

You ought to stop blaming and speaking ill of the innocent and instead work towards fix all the nonsense the ancient West Asians and Eurocentrics caused.

For one to be able to determine where it is one is supposed to be going, one ought to be aware of where one is presently and where one has been in the past.

The African ought to concentrate on all that makes us that which we are.

Stop the searching for nothingingness.

Be content with just being from the place we all now call Africa.

One that refuses unpleasantness is said to moves further away of something pleasant, both these human emotions would normally approach us simultaneously.

All the answers to any problems arent outside of the vicinity of those that would have experience such, all the unfettered solutions are easily found from within such vicinity.

Lets say for instance, one day science allows for humans commute to the planet Mars.

Then anyone that has a sitiation to solve on the 'Red Planet' can only find the unfettered solution there.

There needs to be a brand new way of understsnding our true place in the world and how it's meant to translate throughout the universe.