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ayoku777:
Sorry, but scripture disagrees with you.

Blessed day ahead.

You must not lie to score a point. Scripture supports the complete sovereignty of the Almighty God in everything including our wills. Free will is false heresy teaching that has no scriptural backing.

What you will see is a will enslaved to sin or righteousness. Pls enough of your lies.

Thank you.

ayoku777:
Lets not derail this thread.

But freewill is not an illusion because people in scripture rejected God's warning to repent.

If there's no freewill you can't reject His warning to repent.

You don't work for salvation neither can having freewill save us. But you need freewill to accept God's offer to save you.

And people rejected that offer many times in scripture. God does not warn us to repent then make us not repent. We do that on our own.

But lets not derail this thread.

Goodmorning and shalom.

free will is an illusion.

Have a nice day.

paxonel:
why don't you read the collosians 3:2 down to verse 5 so that you will understand what you are reading?
Colossians 3 verse 5 says,
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
what Paul meant by seeking the things above to christians is to abstain from commiting all these sins.
now, mention one place in all my comments that i say that men should go and commit sin?
the Scripture is contextual. you must read everything to understand what the writter is trying to say.
not just reading only one verse and draw your conclusion from there like you just did, reading only colossians 3:2.
by doing this, you are the false teacher.
You see where your false teaching has landed you?
you are even advocating that the world should not be improved.
i think it's devilish.
i will advice you, go and improve on your reasoning capacity before trying to quote scriptures.
and also,go and learn how to address people logically,practically and properly before talking.
it's for your own good.
have you ever heard of the word ad hominem?
incase you don't know, Google what it mean,
you must avoid fallacies too

arrant nonsense fal$e teacher. You see yourself? this is how you manipulate scriptures to suite you. You said before Nigerian pastors have rubbished the country with the crap they preach and people like you are here to fix it and make this world a better place for our unborn huh? You are swimming in self delusion if you think God is after making this world a better place. Didn't you read my post well? you didn't see where i said we should live as strangers in this world, purging ourselves of the enticements in this world? how did i contradict collosians 3 ? fal$e teacher. You have reading comprehension problems? You can't seek the things of this world and seek God too at the same time. And that's exactly what you are trying to do fal$e teacher.1 John 2:15, Phil 2:21, Luke 12:30,etc check out these scriptures fal$e teacher they are saying similar things with the col verse i quoted.

There is no hiding place for you anymore hireling. Your time is drawing near.

Repent fal$e teacher.

ayoku777:
@ the bolden

Funny, but you just agreed here with what you argued against on the other thread -that man has a choice, a freewill.

Sound truth here. And i gave you the 2 likes too.

Ohhhhhhh ayoku777 you keep putting the cart before the horse. Yes we preach that men should turn to Christ as commanded huh and is God Himself not the giver of the gift of repentance unto life? Acts 11:18?

Why do we preach in the first place? is it not because men are enslaved to sin? how can someone be a servant to sin and be free at the same time. Can't you understand that all his deeds,choices are evil? Eph 2:1 cos you can't have a mango tree producing oranges.

He has to be changed completely, born again through the word of faith that we preach? you get it?

If not for God, no man will repent. Let us give all the glory to God not some to a free will illusion.

Good a.m.

Atheists are like dogs with their tongues out, always panting for what they cannot get.

Did i just read one dem dem post that Christians are not christlike from one dem dem christian wannabe He obviously doesn't know that you are not a christian because you said you are.
Fal$e christians abound

@op. This is what you get when men fabricate means to get to God. They loose their thinking faculties and subject themselves to unnatural things. May God have mercy.

paxonel:
ahahaaahaah!
if you come like this you are just wasting your time.
everything i posted here i try as much as i can to be practical, where i see error in your post i go straight and point out the error and even correct it.
so, before you say i am false you must have done the same, otherwise, you can't say i am false.
I challenge you, just point out only one area in any of my post that is false, then correct it lets see
It's not by shouting.
By the way, do you know that Nigeria is already a confused nation as a result of the activities of your pastors?
that is what i seek to correct, so that this country will be a better place for our unborn children.
so, i should be the one to tell you and your pastors to repent from false teachings.
lol

One of the marks of a false prophet/apostle/pastor/teacher (@embolden) is that he falsely teaches people to have hope in this world and improve it. I caught you

Fal$e teacher what did Jesus and His apostles say about this world? to love/improve it? or to purge our selves from its enticement living as strangers with a higher calling and keep our eyes...where? answer me fal$e teacher

Is this not in your bible?

"seek the things that are above and not the things on earth" Collosians 3:2

And this is just one of those trash you keep spewing.

Repent fal$e teacher.

He that loves God keeps His words cos God and His word are one.

paxonel:
many will say to me on that day lord lord.
what day is that?
please if you want to know whether that day Jesus was talking about has pass or it is in our future, look for a Scripture from the book of act of the apostle down to revelation to support your claim whether you will see any .
don't come and quote the books of Matthew,Mark, Luke and john for me. Christ has not yet been crucified when he made that statement.
there was time before crucixion, there is time after the crucifixion.
they are not the same era.
we Christians belong to the era after crucifixion and are greater and better than the people Jesus was addressing with that statement, people who prophesied and cast out demons But never saw Christianity?
Remember,the least person in the kingdom of God( Christianity ) is greater than John the Baptist,all Jesus disciples who cast out demons at that time and all the prophets of Judaism.
so, don't come and Judaism us here, we are Christians

That day is coming and false apostles, prophets, teachers like you will be numbered among them that have done so many dead works( what you call wonderful works)who will be rejected en masse by the Judge of the whole world if you do not repent.

Repent false teacher that God may not send a strong delusion your way.

pillarmaria:
You can say more, but remember that anything you say now would be used against you someday,somewhere when there would be no time to repent.

Liar, repent. In the past God winked at the ignorance of idol worshippers but now He has commanded all men everywhere to repent. Acts 17:30

There are no more excuses for you catholic(s)... as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness , so is the son of man lifted up today that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:14,15.

Repent idol worshipper(s) you have no place in the kingdom of God.

SavageGarden:
How do you mean "worshipping the Brit"? Last time I checked the average Nigerian was busy making money...giving no ffuck about the Brit. Wats d problem with u pple these days must you Ridicule and bring Nigerians down to make a senseless point?

Don't mind them. They just keep regurgitating that nonsense when they are bereft of sound reasoning.
Most Nigerians are 'wiser' now.

we are among the most unfavourable countries? like seriously? are we suppose to cry on seeing this

crushtigress:
An2elect2

you will see a mention. thanks you are too kind

you welcome to Nairaland dear

crushtigress:
Yikes i have seen the reply button already.now how would know if someone quote me #facepalm#

you will see a mention.

hmmm

Inferiority complex huh. Stop posting pictures of ugly dark women to make yourselves feel good. What of the beautiful dark women?

annyplenty:
Ephesian 4:14

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive

What is the gospel?

pillarmaria:
thanks for the name"Idol worshiper", there has never been a record of a bitter truth told without criticism.

You lie like your father!

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?

Aha! and what will the KING of Kings, the LORD of Lords, The Judge of the whole world, The one that says and does, the Adonai, the Ancient of days, The First and the Last, The GOD all by Himself say:

"And then i will profess unto them. I never knew you: depart from me you that work iniquity."

Matt 7:22,23.

pillarmaria:
I would rather pour my water on a growing seed than pour it over a stone.

pillarmaria:
I will keep praying for God to open our eyes, i never tried saying Mary was meant to be our savior, indeed she was created by the creator who later became a our savior...the aim of this post is to sell knowledge to those in need of it, i urge you to humbly read this post again and learn the hiding plan satan has.

Idol worshipper. Was it Jesus that was nailed to the cross or your "immaculate blessed virgin mary"?

ayoku777:
“It is not divine justice for me to reward or condemn you for what I made you do.”

Rev 22v12 -And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give to everyman according as HIS WORK shall be.

John 3v19 -And this is condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Reward is given to everyman according to his works. And condemnation is on account of men CHOOSING darkness over light.

The light of God (Jesus) came for everyone, not for a few.

John 3v17 -For God. Sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him MIGHT BE SAVED.

Salvation by grace is for all men.

Titus 2v11 - For the grace of God that bringeth slavation HATH APPEARED TO ALL MEN.

People are condemned by their own choices. God doesn't impose salvation on anyone; He can only offer it. Its your choice to accept or reject the offer.

Jesus doesn't badge in. He stands at the door and knock. We choose to let him in, or we leave Him to keep knocking until its too late for us.

Rev 3v20 -Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: IF ANY MAN hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and sup with him and he with me.

Jesus can only stand at the door and knock. We choose to hear and open.

Your problem is that you don't understand how God saves people or how He works.
The scripture you cited that says Jesus stands at the door knocking... doesn't not teach salvation mr. Where was salvation mentioned in that verse?
People like you will never cite the appropriate scriptures when talking about salvation, eternal life because it doesn't go well with your "free will" god. "For BY GRACE ARE YOU SAVED THROUGH FAITH AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES. IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD
NOT OF WORKS SO THAT NO MAN WILL BOAST." Eph 2:8,9.
"For the wages of sin is death; BUT THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD." Rom 6:23.
If you cannot see this, You are B-L-I-N-D !!!

Nigerian Christians are blind ignorant fools who turn the other side when they see glaring evil in their harlot stinking systems they call churches.

You "keep" God in the "truck" and bring Him out when you are in trouble and throw him back in when you are out.

You think God will wink at sin, even the "tiniest"?

You think God will admit you in to His kingdom based on your merits.

You think God does not mean everything He said in His word.

You compare yourselves with one another, and you look pretty good in your sight.

Nigerian Christians wake up from your slumber!

What you have is religion without relationship. And you are fine with it because it makes you feel good and in control too!

If you don't repent you will all perish!

God means everything He said in His word...

I don't know where babies go to when they die but i can't conceive the thought, even for a minute, that they are thrown into hell.

5solas:
Not only you, at this rate of thinking by them, someone may be saved without God knowing about it .

I tire for this people o.

Q: Can i get a brief straight to the truth definition of atheists?
A: Atheists are people devoid of common sense.

It beats me to think that someone who is scripturally well read, will bring God to a position below His creature.

5solas:
No, you've not. Your posts have shown that you lack understanding of the subject matter.


At this stage you have to tell us what you think is the motive for a righteous life. If the motive is hell / fear of hell alone, then you have a point. If it is hell /fear of hell and love and gratitude to God then your point diminishes. If however neither hell nor fear of hell is a motive (for the believer), then you have virtually no point, for while this world continues, love for God and gratitude to Him will continue to motivate believers. Not to talk of rewards for service to God!


You lack understanding, sadly. Predestination is rejected by others like you who believe salvation can be lost, for the very reason that they believe if it exists, it is cast in stone .


So how does your understanding of this verse not contradict his clear teaching that salvation is, by grace and not by works?



I don't know what you mean by "predestination always happens" not to talk of its mantra.
It is because you have made up your mind, you've been deceived that "once saved always saved" is false, that you war against the truths by which you can arrive at that conclusion. You have made your conclusions before the facts, now you distort the facts to be secure in your error/false conclusions.


True.


Even babes will laugh at you for this, nay, even atheists do, and rightly too!


I don't know why you can't talk of the will of man without tagging ''free'' to it. It is probably the reason you are deceived by that empty term.
To answer you, God's determination (for this is what predestination amounts to) cannot be weaker than the will or determination of man. Nor can what God purposed before the world was made depend for its fulfillment on the will of man, rather man's will bends for the fulfillment of God's will.






If our crowns are our crowns indeed, and not our salvation, why wont He?
Salvation is the basic gift. There are other gifts that are rewards for obedience/service.


That is precisely what Ayoku777 has been saying. The believer has no guarantee of salvation and must live as though the sword of Damocles is just above their heads. Yea, live in more fear than that they had before believing!


Rantings.


If common sense does not tell you that man's will is not stronger than God's then let it tell you that God's will as it comes first , is the cause of man's will and that man's will as it comes after God's is the effect of God's will.
Let it teach you also that, God's foreknowledge does not depend on man's will but that man must act according to God's foreknowledge.

Well said. Amen.

Ayoku777 has failed to see beyond his "free will" idol.

plaetton:
Oh, pardon me again ms Einstein. I forgot that you don't have a carnal brain like me.

You have, eehhm eehhm, spiritual mind. Right?

And, Oh Oh, I read last week that 23m Nigerians might be insane without even knowing it.
Have you seen a shrink lately?

Get behind me platon.

plaetton:
Yes honey.
And pardon me, ms Einstein.

I thought as much. Now stay off posts that transcend your carnal brain. k?

ayoku777:
I quoted verses that explicitly shows that God is not willing for any to perish but for ALL to come to repentence, and that He would have all men to be saved. And you quoted scriptures that says God has chosen some unto salvation.

You didn't say anything, you only succeeded in implying that scriptures contradict eachother. And that's not true.

You keep claiming you read everything I've been saying since the beginning of this thread; but if you truly did, you will notice I truly believe in predestination, and that God indeed can fore-ordain a destiny.

But what is also clear from scriptures is that freewill is more powerful than predestination. A man can choose by his own freewill to not submit to predestination.

You want scriptural proof?

Jesus was called the lamb "slain from the foundation of the world" in Rev 13v8.

Meaning His sacrificial death was predestined and pre-determined.

Also in 1Peter; it says that his death and the shedding of His blood was FOREORDAINED.

1Peter 1v19-20 -But with the precious blood of Christ, as of the lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was FOREORDAINED before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.

But even though Christ's suffering and death was foreordained before the foundation of the world; He still said in Matthew 26v53 -

Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and He shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Meaning if Jesus had changed His mind about dying and requested to be rescued, the Father would have granted His request, even though it would have been contrary to what was foreordained.

Jesus still reserved the freewill and power to choose otherwise. He voluntarily submitted to predestination.

The bible in Rev 17v8 also implies that names are written or not written in the book of life since the foundation of the earth (which implies to preordained unto eternal life).

But then, Jesus also warned in

Rev 3v5 -He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life...

Here is Jesus talking, making it clear to the church, that names written in the book since the foundation of the earth can be blotted out. Does this sound to you that predestination always happen? Or that freewill determines the ultimate outcome?

Even Judas was foredained to sit on thrones and judge with the twelve in the age to come, according to Jesus.

Matthew 19v28 -Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me; In the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also (Judas inclusive) shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Judas was still among the twelve, the "ye also" when Jesus made this statement. But we all know what happened to Judas, he, by his own choice and freewill, went his own way -the way of perdition.

So much so that Jesus said concerning him, that it would have been "good for that man if he had not been born. (Matthew 26v24)

If Jesus who was predestined to die can say if He prays otherwise to be saved, contrary to predestination; the Father will grant it -it proofs freewill is more powerful than predestination.

If Jesus can say that people whose names have been written in the book of life since the foundation of the earth can still have it blotted out -it proofs freewill is more powerful than predestination.

If Judas who was given the promise and fore-ordination of being among the twelve who would sit with Christ in the age to come, still went ahead to become a son of perdition -it proofs freewill is more powerful than predestination.

All the scriptures you quoted of God choosing people unto salvation and fore-ordaining destinies are true; but so is the fact that freewill stills determines the final end and outcome.

Predestination is not cast in iron; its fulfilment is still ultimately in the hands of freewill.

Scriptures don't contradict eachother, there is indeed predestination, but so is freewill, and freewill is more powerful at the end. Names written in the book of life from the foundation of the earth can be blottet out.

Meaning it is possible for a man by his choices to refuse to accomplish or attain to something he was predestined for; something he was foreordained unto since the foundation of the earth to do, receive or attain.

Shalom

You turned everything upside down, huh.There was no single event in the scripture that canceled what was foreordained from old. None!