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[quote author=frosbel post=29230644][/quote]First of all, I asked for one Christian who was forsaken and lol what do we have here Judas, Demas for NT and Saul, David for old testament. Judas is a failed example for advocates of "you can loose your salvation" Judas was a follower of Christ but was not saved. Surprise. Jesus chose 12 followers but one was "a devil" John 6:70. All others were prayed for but one "the son of perdition". John17:12 What was the difference between Peter and Judas? They both were sinners and if left alone will chose death over life. What kept the "wavering" Peter saved? His will to remain saved? He was wiser? His obedience? Do we trust Peter's will even after denying his master thrice against his 'initial will'. Peter wouldn't. How could he trust his will after that experience? Jesus prayed for Peter! if Peter was not 'kept' he would have fallen like Judas. John17:12. Demas: "For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia." We have little knowledge of this person in scripture. Once one of Paul's followers( remember Judas?) who later esteemed this present age higher than the one to come. Forsook all that he had known,seen and tasted. He was a follower and once called a brother is not enough evidence that he was saved in the first place. How do we know that Mr Demas may not have been saved? the Word: Jeremiah 32:40 "And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that i will not turn away from them, to do them good; but i will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me." 1John 2:15 "Love not the world neither the things that are in the world, if any man love the world the love of the Father is not in him." Demas was guilty of going against this passage. Demas loved the world because he didnt have the love of the Father. If one is void of God's love nothing is left but the love of this world. How else do we know those who are/were not genuinely saved. They did/will not abide with the saints to the end. The Word: "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." 1John 2:19. So do we exclude Demas from scrutiny with scriptures. Saul and David. Well these are fair examples. Men of God who functioned under the old dispensation but never the less had the Spirit of God. Now, we cannot turn a blind eye to the clear difference in the way God operated in the old and in the new. The Spirit's role in their lives(the few cases then) was limited and functioned differently. The Israelites were not indwelt by the Spirit of God but had His presence in their midst. Big difference. What they had then were occasional "visits" of the Spirit of God upon them. I f there was any promise of the Spirit abiding forever it was to those under the covenant of grace not law. John14:16, John17:11,Psalm37:28, Jeremiah 32:40. Secondly, obedience is not a mere act of the will. It is the effect or result of a life totally dependent on GOD. Obedience stems from LOVE THROUGH FAITH. How do we know a person loves God? is it not his keeping of God's word. But is love (operating through faith) not the reason he obeys? Who causes a believer to be willing and able to keep the word is it not God? phil 2:13 bear me witness. To teach otherwise is to lie against the Spirit of truth. Thirdly if any man sins we have an advocate with the Father 1John2:1 The bone of contention here is committing a sin not abiding in sin. There is a difference between sinning and abiding in sin. |
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[quote author=LerrieJohn post=19763850]Done |
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frosbel:Show me one scripture were a Christian was forsaken by the spirit of God. what does the grace of God do to men? you say licence to sin. Scripture says otherwise. "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men. Teaching us that,DENYING UNGODLINESS,AND WORLDLY LUST, WE SHOULD LIVE SOBERLY, RIGHTEOUSLY, and GODLY, in this present world." Titus 2:11,12. Let every man be a liar and let God be true. If any man says he is free to sin because he is under grace. Do we as reasonable people take up issue with Grace or with the man? Is it grace that is the cause of his resolution or the man's complete ignorance of God's grace. Believers are saved! They cant be separated from God cos the very thing(SIN) that separates them from God has been paid for through Christ's death burial and resurrection. If God should alienate a believer because of one sin, then the question should be why in the whole wide world did Christ die if a believer will still be punished? did Christ die for some sins and left some hanging? then the sacrifice cant be once and for all my friend. "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." popular John 3:16. If everlasting life cannot continue because of one sin it ceases to be everlasting life! Faith is useless, Christ died in vain, we are better of without Him. What do we need Him for if we have to work for eternal life? It is this nonsense teaching that is all over Christendom today. Is this (work+grace) what you call Christianity? the scripture calls you a heretic. You are fallen. You were never one of us to begin. I am not a calvinist am a Christian. I follow the teachings of scripture by God's GRACE. Enough of your straw man points. |
BabaGnoni:Well said but i disagree he started as a Christian or a fundamental one...or whatever. There is a difference between those who know the powers to come and those who have only tasted the powers to come. He is the later. He was never saved. The promised Spirit of Christ is to be with us forever teaching us all truth. So what happened to him? The reason we erroneously think Christians can walk out on God is because we ascribe too much powers to ourselves, to men. Who is holding who? is it God that is holding the believer or the believer holding God? Is it the foundation that is holding the house or the other way round? Somebody will soon say free will. How can? We are God's possession, bought people. Now slaves to righteousness. Having eternal life. It is not possible for a christian to become unsaved and cease to be God's own. And Frosbel was/is not one. We have all seen it. |
Hiswordxray:wow! this is brilliant!!! don't mind those bitter and hate filled people telling us about race. Their reward is not far. |
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[quote author=frosbel post=29221358][/quote]Just what i expected...straw points. Salvation is by grace through faith and not a work of man lest any should boast. Ephesians 2:8,9 It is a work of God! that's the scripture not my word. No man deserves to be saved cos we are all sinners...equally. I have nothing extra to earn me salvation. Am just like every other person. If i did, i will have room to boast, to glory! "For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what has thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if that has not received it?" 1cor4:7. Did the deeper life teach you this? nah not even in 1000yrs to come. The only thing that differentiates a christian from an unbeliever is GRACE. The grace of our Lord Jesus! not how much you think you know or want to know. What does grace do? does it permit sin? God forbid! How can we who are under grace continue in sin? The last time i checked nobody needs a licence to sin! you don't need grace to sin. |
frosbel:Dang!!! you got saved in a cult called deeper life church! Even though i did not get saved in the dlcf( which is impossible anyway) i was once a member. They practice lordship salvation which is no salvation... Give your life to God, open your heart for Jesus, altar call,etc all rubbish, rubbish! far from genuine salvation which is completely by grace through faith without any input from man and received through the hearing of the gospel. No traditional deeper lifer can boldly claim the biblical salvation of sola gracia. I know where you are coming from and that's what am attacking. The origin of your rebellion against God. Are Christians not supposed to judge rightly? If i claim to be in the light is it unreasonable to point out the works of darkness when i spot them? I will definitely not be among those who are telling you to fast more, pray more, seek God more, just believe. God forbid! you can only be redeemed by the grace of God. You can't choose to serve God except He chooses you first! you cant love Him except He loves you first! you cant know the truth except it has been given unto you. God is not on trial you are. |
frosbel:Am not a typical Nigerian christian. You accuse me falsely. If there is any that speaks against all Nigerian churches and their heresies, i should be the one. By God's grace I've seen too much in Christendom in this part of the world that have driven me to stay away from these Christians so called who have no clue of the God they are serving. The only thing that differentiates me from the hypocrites hiding under the umbrella of Christianity and confused unbelievers like you is the GRACE of God. If you have the Spirit of Christ inside of you, you will be led into all truth. Notice, led into... that means as you mature in the faith of Christ(which is a gift) truth will begin to unfold and everything will gradually begin to make sense. However this is not the case for people who never really got saved. By the grace of God, i have grown to know people who are not saved just from their salvation experience. What is your 'salvation experience' Mr Frosbel? I believe the question you should be asking yourself is 'was i ever saved?' |
frosbel:Says the one who was never a christian. |
hero70:His Spirit. |
I prefer whatsapp, BBM looks compressed. |
plaetton:Your speech is too empty and filled with rife. And your points are senseless. Are there no European christians too? didn't they receive the gospel from others. Are they all exploring the stars? and why should i lose sleep if they are? what is life on earth suppose to be? going to the moon? damn! you lost man. You are the one in bondage if you base human progress on what the whites have done. That's stupid and a slave mentality right there. Am okay and at peace with all that God has given me. Why must i go to the star and explore the world for me to be called advanced by enslaved people? There is a difference between me and you. You are so obsessed with what others are doing that you have thrown away common sense. My friend wake up! |
plaetton:Oh yea? now listen Christianity did not originate from the white race. The basis of Christianity is on one person, Christ Jesus not some group of slow pokes. He, Jesus was born to Jewish parents under the law. Before this happened, God chose the Israelites as His people not because they were good but it WAS FOR GOD'S SOVEREIGN ELECTION TO STAND. If any one was good it was God and not the Israelites. They were unable to keep the law of God and rebelled against Him. These Israelites were not to mix up with the gentiles/heathens. The Europeans were included in this heathen group alongside other non-jews. If the bible is a European book then Jesus should have been a European. But no! history and the bible attest to something different. In the new dispensation,which is now, God has extended His love to "all men" calling those who were not His people, His people, His beloved. When Jesus commanded his disciples to preach the gospel He said they should go into all the world. Reach out to other nations not just Israel. For anyone that has the spirit of Christ in him is of God. Christ in us the hope of glory! not a lost group of people. I received not the knowledge of the Lord Jesus through a white even if i did it will still not nullify the work of God. No lost soul has any last laugh. Genuine Christians are for the most the rejoicing ones. Hahaha We have hope we have peace we have joy through Jesus our Lord! It is finished! we've won!!! hahaha lol. |
Now lets be real, who cares about what a white racist fool thinks? They God that i know is a supreme and all wise God who is no respecter of anybody. Those who you deem wise, who are proud of their wickedness you erroneously term achievement, are fiercely resisted by God. Read Corinthians. You are in bondage if you think whites are on top! lol think again. God will have nothing to do with the so called wisdom(whether black or white) of this world cos its complete folly to Him. I worship no white God or Jesus cos i know Him no more according to the flesh(His form on earth whether brown or purple) but according to the spirit of God. |
ramalot:This!!! |
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Kumuyi healed who? LOL Tell me another lie. |
Rendezvou:This!!! |
tonychristopher:Your preference for light skinned women and fit women is not unwise but they way you spill out your disgust for very dark skinned women is so foolish of you. How would a woman feel if she is told she looks unkept cos she is very dark skinned. You are no gentleman at all. You have black shoes, clothes,etc Is it safe to conclude you consider them unkept because they are black? BTW, you said something about liking chocolate women. They are dark too. Don't you think you are confused? ![]() |
Mathematical:okay. |
LmAO! ![]() |
Ibadannimowa:He is older than you but you are wiser than him ![]() |
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