That's his other wife.

Well, the bible is also refereed to as your sword. Maybe the Old Testament was in written word by then Just taking a stab at it. Anyone else

No, you can't be 100% sinless. That's why you ask for forgiveness.

I agree whole heartedly. That is so true. So So true. What's also sad is that in the mist of trying to save someone whose not interested in being saved again, you lose yourself and I refuse to do that. Thanks.

Thanks Kobojunkie, again. Yes, that I know and I'll think and pray harder on that b/c it's hard to let go of, basically, your sister. I know I have to tell her. I've tried to before and hinted, but never in real detail. Maybe it's time to let her know,

@ BlackMamba, my goal is to get others incite on what they think b/c obviously my way hasn't been working too well. Also, you are who you hang around. Again I say, "Two can not walk together unless they agree". You can have many "friends", but the ones you choose to hang in your little circle are the ones you obviously connect with. Who are they to you?? Do you have common goals??, and all that stuff. My few friends all have the common goals that I do and we have been on the same page for a while. This friend and I use to also. We were the closest ones out of all my friends, even though I've known her the least amount of time. Even before she left to go up north, I've been feeling like I don't know her. I can honestly say that I don't, anymore. Prayer is what's left.

@ dafidixone, I agree. She once told me that she's been fighting with this spirit every since she was younger, like junior high maybe, but she said she got tired of fighting and just gave in. I think it made the spirit stronger when she was experimenting with her first lesbian and she said she felt a spirit jump on her. We were roommates at the time and I tried to stay around her and be a positive influence, but she did what she wanted to do. It's in Gods hands.

Look, if you're not going to be a serious and mature adult about this, then please don't comment. It's not needed. Fine another or start your own thread for idiotic ramblings.

You do know that when God said he was coming back and he was looking for the perfect church . . . . . He meant US, as in people. WE are the church, not some building. So in essence, churches are everywhere and will never leave. You have good churches and bad churches. Corrupt churches and perverted churches, etc. Get my drift?

@ Seun,

Excuse me?? How do you figure that?? Unless you're going to sprout all that MESS about lesbianism not being a spirit and that she chose to be it and I should except her the way she is, yada, yada, yada. A true friend is concerned about the decisions that another friend makes b/c they want each other to prosper in the Lord. You're not a Christian anymore, so I know you don't agree or fully understand. She needs my friendship and prayers right now, but the line can only go so far, especially if you KNOW that person isn't trying. You have to want to get help before anyone else can help you.

@ davidylan and kobojunkie, I appreciate everything you guys have said and I agree with most of it.  It's not so much as "bible beating" her. It's just that when she calls and wants encouragement, that's all I have to give her. I won't give any advice on how to deal with a female!!  I'll be there for her b/c of how close we were, but I can't let go of her like I want.  I know she's in NY, but I don't want to be associated with those spirits. We use to hang out b4 she left. When I was around her I felt the pull of those spirits and they were STRONG.  She told me when she was with her first lesbian that she felt a spirit jump on her!!!  That's what helped me distance myself from her the first time. Basically, I'm tired of dealing with it. Up and down, Up and down that's all it is, but it's also her and how she acts.  As of about three weeks ago she's move into her own apartment.  I don't know if this will last, but I'll continure to pray that she is on the rode back.  She knows the word. She knows what she's doing is wrong. These are her decisions.

@David, on the friends sticking together, we've been through a LOT.  I went through a lot of depression in college for about 2 yrs. When another close friend of ours told her to stop hanging around me, she didn't. I also agree that it's harder to come back after you've fell.  We use to always talk about what heaven would be like or if we'd know weather or not our friends and family made it up there and such.  . It goes deeper than friendship. I think we have a soul tie.  Is that bad??  We use to always talk about it.  We've outlasted a lot of friends. My thing was, that if you're not going in God's direction, I'm not going in yours, so I distanced myself. They didn't like it, but they were into stuff I wasn't. Surround yourself with like minded ppl. She's the only one that I can't let go of.
             Now, this is dealing with my soul and my relationship with God!! I will continue to distance myself, but I can't be as close and I was with her, but I'll continue to pray. Thanks everyone!! 

I thought I added "loosely put" behind that sentence, but if you need the exact scripture, I can get it for you. 

Thanks David. I'll still be there for her, but I don't want her to be lost. I tried to get her to understand that it's just a trick of the enemy, but I think that God has turned her into a reprobate mind. He did say that if you continue to not listen to him that he'd turn you over to your sin. I think that's what happened. I think prayer is the only thing that will help her now. It's sad that I at one time looked up to her spiritually. After that happened I was lost for a time. Now that I'm back on point I want her to be to. I'll continue to pray.

This is my first thread so please bare with me.

I have a friend who I've known for about 7 yrs. She is a close to me as a sister. From our freshman year we were as close to God as you can get and growing!!! It was so beautiful!! She just came out of the closet 4yrs ago while we were in college. She lives with her GF now in NJ/NY. I hate that she chose that lifestyle, but she is still my friend so I didn't abandon her. I started to at a couple points in time b/c God said "surround yourself with like minded ppl" and "two cannot walk together unless they agree" (loosely put).

To get to the point: She's been trying to break up w her gf for a WHILE now, but she keeps going back. About 2 mo ago she tried it again and I helped her (over the phone) through it. She stopped calling for a week and I knew they were back together. We were talking through email one day when she confirmed after I asked her.
She said, I longer that lesbianism is wrong. (She knows the bible)
I said, "How can you say that when you know that God detests it and that it's an abomination?"
She then BLEW ME OUT THE WATER when she said the "I don't believe in the bible. I believe the stories and concepts, but not the bible."
EXAMPLE: "I don't believe that he walked on water but I believe that through him anything is possible"
I said, "How can you believe in the concepts, but not where you got them from??"

I was so shocked, hurt and outraged that I didn't know what to say. It's been about a month and a half, but I can't let it go. I have to say more to her. She said that she can't believe that God would condem love between 2 human beings. Her logic is so twisted that I don't know where to start. Her mentality has changed so much. Can you guys help

@ Kobojunkie, your defense of whatever you were defending is not needed. Anyone can react over pictures. Who saids that I am? I'm not just some person who reacts over what she see's, but on what she knows. I judge no-one, but I do have a right to an opinion. If I did have a messed up household, which I don't, I would still voice my opinions, b/c what he does affects us all. I'm not reacting over this pic, but on other things that I don't agree with that Bush has done. I am not the pot calling the kettle black. As far as Bush goes, his business is our business.

A threat?? Weakly given. A boy playing a man's game. Sweetie, you "claim" that you're a grown man?? There is a standard to being a man. Who you curse out and insult don't cut it. There is life after what you do. Live up to it and God Bless. It's sad that our "grown" men have this mentality. This is one of the reasons why we'll never overcome. I apologize to everyone for him. I'll pray for you sir.

@ younghoodi, your speak is already embarrassing, but to know that you can't put two and two together to "not" type like you talk makes it all the more worse. You have no room to talk about anyone. At all.

This is wierd, but interesting. What is your source

I agree. I am ashamed at times. Where do they get these STUPID ideas

I understand her cause, but her plan was illogical and idiotic. She tried something that was too drastic and what not many ppl would want to follow through with or participate in. She ends up alone and scared with no support. A less scaring approach would have probably made more sense. Or maybe this was the last straw b/c nothing else was working. . . Who knows why she went so far. . . .

Focused, calm down sweetie. Never let a person upset you so much that you step out of yourself. What goes around comes around. He's just making you discredit yourself by pushing you to the limit and you using file language, which isn't kosher . . . . . Just keep doing what you do, there's always going to be someone who will disagree. That's the fun part. . . .

No one is saying that women are inferior or anything like that. The bible is just stating that women aren't suppose to be the head of the church (bishop, minister, pastor, etc). If you do go to a church that has a woman leading, just ask her what she thinks of it and what her interpretation is. Why would they leave "that" teaching out? The stupid question is the one that isn't asked.

I'm not sure about Canadians, but yes I meant the Northern states. I don't think this will ever change anytime soon b/c ppl are always trying to impress ppl. So you'll have the ones where "oh, this is how I grew up, it's all I know" and then the ones that are "I have to act like this to impress him, her or them". It's a never ending cycle that I fear will never change. It's kind of like it's breed into them, if anyone can understand. I also feel that slowly, but surely it will trickle down into the southern states even more.

@naija diva, I heard it's like that bad up north. I have some friends from there and one that's from here, but works in NY now. She said it's really different. People look at you crazy if you speak (say hello). It's like everyone is suppose to walk around not looking or speaking (being nice). No one said excuse me or anything. And the girls do think it's cute to curse ppl out and act ghetto. It's sad that that's the standard now. It's even like that to a certain degree in some neighboorhood down here.

Oh, I didn't. It's still cool beans!!!

@ Pilgram1, that was nice. I had some comments, but that caught me off gaurd. I'll get back to ya on this.

Once again, I could care less if she was religious or not. How can you get me judging her and religion out of six words? Someone please answer me that. N E way. . . . you gave your opinion and I gave mine. That's what some threats are about. Yall don't have to defend each other, I wasn't attacking anyone. As a matter of fact yall sound a little too defensive. You want opinion, but get defensive if it doesn't sit well

It's not that serious sweetie!!

It's cool beans with you to

First of all GEEGEE my comment was to blkraven.   

Second, what the freak are you talking about? I never "wished you anything." 

Third, I never commented in my one sentence post that I had a problem with you not being a Christian. Do what you do, sweetie. Don't see what you want to see, see what I posted, please.

Fourth, You know nothing about my heart, nor me for that matter. 

The heart WILL lead you astray b/c it is emotional (figuratively speaking). A certain percentage of crimes are committed in the HEAT OF PASSION.  Ex. A lover, husband or wife caught cheating, anger, hurt, hate, spite.  All of these emotions (from the heart) can cause you to kill or harm a person.  Basically, when these emotions are experienced you don't tend to think too clearly until later. 

In essence, the heart (if you let it) can lead you astray.  If you would've searched deeper before you attacked me you'd know what I was referring to. Obviously not. 

It's cool beans though, sweetie!!! 

@ St3V3, the issue of materialism or financial dependence is based on the individual's orientation, character & financial status as a whole.


I agree with this . . . .

I think a lot of ppl on this post are just going off of what they see in everyday life. That's all anyone can go off of now-a-days. I talked with a lot of ppl and it has shown that ALMOST EVERY man from ALMOST EVERY culture thinks that their women are aggressive, mean spirited, vindictive, vengeful, money grubbers, etc. In essence, that's why they claim that's the reason they go to other ethnic groups and cultures. Every culture, wheather they wan to admit it or not, has had or have a problem with their women. PERIOD. It has been and will always be like this. Sad but true.