₦airaland Forum

Mazi Grafikdon, Mazi CninenyeN, Mazi Obiagu1, Mazi NnamdiN na ndi nruritauka ibem, udo diri unu. Unu dere ofuma. Uru obibia ndi ocha biara n'ala Igbo anyi baara anyi, adighi obere.
Tupu ndi ocha bia be anyi, anyi nwere ihe ana-akpo ohu. Ohu bu mmadu a zutara azuta na-eme ihe o bula a gwara ya ka o mee. A na-eji ohu ekpo ahihia n'ala Igbo mgbe ahu ma werekwa ya na-eficha ike. Anaghikwa ewe ya di ka mmadu ndi ozo. Onye o bula bu ohu anaghikwa eme ihe o bula onye abughi ohu ga-eme. Onye nwere ohu na eji ohu ya eme ihe masiri ya.
Mana obibia ndi ocha mere ka anyi ghotana ohu bu mmadu ibe anyi. Odighi ihe o bula di iche.

Ndi oma m ji eme onu, unu mere ofuma na ihe unu dere.
Obibia ndi ocha na obodo anyi wetaara anyi ekpemekpe uka ogbaraohuru nke anyi na-ekpe ugbua. Udiri uka ha wetaara anyi mere ka ndi be anyi kwusi ikpere arusi, isekpuru osisi.

Obiagu1:
Who knows the meaning of Onwugbolu and Onugbolu?

Onwu gbolu--death prevented (riches).
Onu (voice of the people) gbolu-The peoples representative or speaker prevented probably a mishap.

ChinenyeN:
Gini bu "oghom"?

Oghom bu ihe ndi bekee na akpo: Disadvantage, hindrance or obstacle.

Onanaeze's stand is for states to be created from Igbo speaking areas of Rivers state and Delta state and merged into South east (Prof Chike Edozien, The Asagba of Asaba).

Biko, umu Igbo ndi nairaland, ka anyi nwe nruritauka (na i kwenyere ma o bu na i kwenyeghi) na obibia ndi ocha biara n'ala Igbo bara anyi uru, obughi oghom.

Nrurita uka bu okwu na-adi n'etiti mmadu abuo ma obu otu abuo (two groups).

Ichi obi na aka (ochi obi n'aka)---Iche uche (o na eche uche).

In Igbo ceremonies, breaking of kola nut is followed up with the distribution of kola nut. In doing so, it is done in alphabetical order of Igbo states e.g Anambra, Abia, Delta etc. But recently, I have noticed a trend where a title holder from Nri or any Nri native is called upon to come and pick up a lobe of kola nut before others.

Onwudiwe---Death is agonising.
Onwukanjo--Death is worse.
Onwuchuruba--Death hinders wealth.
Onwughara-Let death spare (us).
Onwuegbuchu--Let death not shorten our lives early.

G.Ebere.J as an Easterner, understands the plight of Easterners more than all those other presidential aspirats put together.

SapeleGuy:
My brother life is too short for the type of hatred I see on this forum. My simple point is that Ndigbo voted against the creation of Anioma State not Urhobo, Itsekiri, Isoko and Ijaw. Is it not right for that issue to be resolved first before we talk of anything else.

Prior to the creation of the midwestern Region, The Igbo in the Western Region had demanded for Anioma state. It was not created. Since then the agitation has been on and on and Ndigbo have never at any time concluded that Anioma state should not be created.
In 1991, The Ohanaeze delegation led by Akanu Ibiam that engaged IBB demanded for the creation of Wawa state, Anioma and Abia states. But IBB created two states namely Abia and Enugu (Wawa) states. So how did Ndigbo vote against Anioma state.
Yet again Abacha turned down Ohanaeze's request for Anioma and Ebonyi states clamour but demanded that each geo-political zone should not get more than one state. From the South South zone, Abacha chose Bayelsa ahead of Anioma state. So Ndigbo did not vote against Anioma state being actualised.
In 2002, Obasanjo promised the South east one additional state if they vote for him in 2003. The same committee that Obasanjo promised a state met to discuss which state should be created from the south east. Instead of journalists to ask for the state that the committee resolved to forward to Obasanjo, they were asking for Anioma state. No one voted against Anioma state. Even since then, no state has been created in the south east.

@Houvest: Thanks for your wisdom: Sen Obi has been around for a while and took his time to analyse Igbo political history and current trends. I created this thread for nairalanders to debate on what Sen Obi has analysed.
Instead, what you have are people attacking GEJ, even some yawning from their stinking mouths.

Onlytruth:
@ PhysicsQED

So how will that spoil my day? In fact it has made my day!

The gist of the article is that Igbo has ALWAYS borne the interest of southern minorities at heart contrary to what some of these minorities have been saying. We are the only majority group that acted on the feelings of our minority neighbors to have a political space and control their own affairs. As you showed in the "Middle belt" thread, it even began with Zik.

That does not mean that it is in Eastern interests to pursue disparate political goals in Nigeria since we are still neighbors and blood relations. We did it just to allow peace and dignity. I would want these minorities to understand the context and take over the struggle to re-unite the Old eastern region. Our (South East/South) clout in Nigeria can only gain from it. We have nothing to fear or lose from such unity.

Spot on.

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Festival of fire is a must see film. It is rich in Nigeria traditional costumes, it is informative and educative.

The six geo-political zones is the most thing to happen to Nigeria. I t is not perfected yet, but to perfect it, there should be same number of states in each zone.

ChinenyeN:
Conjecture. Do yourself a favor, Andre. Heed Asha's advice and shut up. In conclusion, yawn.

Go and say that to your father and for once quit derailing my thread. Am sure you have the mental capacity to start a thread but you don't. For the last time take your usual dose of insults to your jungle or create a thread and deposit it there.

^^^ Clap for your self. Have you all of a sudden become blind that you could not read Ezeagu's post as I know you always avoid reading mine. History has it that Owa people are from Nri. Your Obi also confirmed that in his book.
Why do you like repetitions as your post is so full of the same old moonlight stories?.
On Ohanaeze, so what was Obi of Akumazi doing there during Uwaechue's inauguration; is Akumazi no longer Ika?.

ChinenyeN:
Why would I ever need to start a thread on NL? Anyway, I am using my sense, and my senses tell me to yawn. Basically, you and co. are just on repeat about the Igbo, Jonathan, presidency, Ohanaeze, politics, etc.; steadfastly springing up topics of that nature. It's tiring. It's stale, and I'm bored with it/you(plural). If you all don't see sense in steering clear from politics, and instead intend to lie in bed with it, in an effort to 'protect Igbo interests', then I don't know what else to say to you. Aside from that, you all are just being obnoxious and loud with it all; drawing too much attention to yourselves.

The above post is so irrelevant to the comment made by Sen. Obi. The post is tiring because it has to do with Igbo. Al the post flying here and there in politics section has not bored you at all, but this particular one does because GEJ and Ndigbo are concerned. Not long ago, there were so many post about Kidnappings in Abia state and no matter how numerous they were, it never bored you. Keep on displaying your hypocrisy here in the name of yawn.
Anyway, this thread is about comments made by Sen Obi, so if you have nothing to contribute, kindly disappear and forever do not come back to this thread.

jason12345:
no, he doesn't!!!

why do you want to sell your birth right? do you know that in politics, "ONLY INTEREST IS PERMANENT, FRIENDSHIP IS TEMPORARY"? do you not know that if ohanaeze supports GJ there is absolutely no way we can have an igbo president any time soon because everyone would go back to their tent. WHEN (not if) that happens, the north would ALWAYS hold the power because religion unites them. they would be closely followed by the yorubas because history and blood unites them also, some of them have fulani heritage. the last but not the least, would be the SS (especially the ijaw) because they would become politically relevant after GJ's tenure. it would be WAZOVARE instead of WAZOBIA. why do you insist on committing political suicide? or do you think it would form any bond between you and the ss? NO it would not because the reason for the broken bond has not been addressed which is believed to be an "igbo domination agenda". they would not and never trust you. can you not see these things? has the SS ever supported you?

i dey laugh oooo!!!!

Stop the use of selling ones birth right here. I sell my birth right when I vote for my neighbour and do not sell my birth right when I vote for a distant neighbour? Did you keep your brain in the shops before login to nairaland today?.

jason12345:
@ andre uweh

just to add,

has GJ built a single road in the east for the past 6 months? Why are you supporting GJ, is it because:

1) ohanaeze told you so?
2) because of a letter he wrote to ohaneze and ndigbo some yrs back?
3) because, all of a sudden his middle name is azikwe?
4) he has promised to develop the east?
5) to handover the presidency to an igbo man like some sought of military dictator?
6) he has done anything to improve the country without the masses knowing?
7) is not corrupt?
he is on facebook ?
9) because he is not a northerner?
10) simply because you BELIEVE he would do something for the COUNTRY and not just Ndigbo?

pls, let me know!

Has the regimes before him done anything to develop the east?. So why do you dicredit his 6 months tenure instead of those who were there for 8 years, etc?.
What is your problem?, that Ndigbo want to vote for a man from the old eastern region as them and you Jason a South-southerner says no. What a shame.

jason12345:
@ andre Uweh

why do you want to sell your birth right? do you know that in politics, "ONLY INTEREST IS PERMANENT, FRIENDSHIP IS TEMPORARY"? do you not know that if ohanaeze supports GJ there is absolutely no way we can have an igbo president any time soon because everyone would go back to their tent. WHEN (not if) that happens, the north would ALWAYS hold the power because religion unites them. they would be closely followed by the yorubas because history and blood unites them also, some of them have fulani heritage. the last but not the least, would be the SS (especially the ijaw) because they would become politically relevant after GJ's tenure. it would be WAZOVARE instead of WAZOBIA. why do you insist on committing political suicide? or do you think it would form any bond between you and the ss? NO it would not because the reason for the broken bond has not been addressed which is believed to be an "igbo domination agenda". they would not and never trust you. can you not see these things? has the SS ever supported you?

i dey laugh oooo!!!!

Sell whose birth right. So when I support GEJ from the same easter Region as my self is to sell my birth right?. Then when I support Atiku am not selling my birth right. Boy, you are a no brainer at all. You are not Igbo enough to understand Igbo political history. This your deliberate ploy to draw Ndigbo and Ijaws into hostilities here is uncalled for, stop it.

1025:
@andrew,
u are just a cheap attention seeker. if anyone use you for campeign, that one will not only fail but also be doomed.
in simple terms, outline those points for which you wld want us to vote jonathan or anyother person.
folks here are all informed and know who their best candidates are.
instead of boring nairalanders, why not tell your jonathan to concentrate of those things that will make him popular and well positioned for the forthcoming elections.
are you not aware that your jonathan is only seeking our supports on the pages of the newspapers and facebook only? if jonathan wants our votes, he has the federal govt in his hands and can use the available funds to make land mark improvements on the areas of our infrastructures.
be informed that jonathan is only working on the pdp formular(rigging) and do or die affairs.

Boy, this your gara-gara here is not helping what message you want to send across. I seems you eat and breath GEJ or else how come you are not commenting on what Mr Obi said than your usual attack of your head of state.
By the way this your irrelevant post looks abusive. Take time, you may not know I am a game also.

mikeansy:
Andrew uweh

My problem with GEJ is that he is very dumb and has no business leading even a community of 10 people.

What will you do if he emerges to lead a country of 150 million people?.

1025:
@andrew,
is it possible for u to swallow some of your words here? u said igbos home and away consented to the decission of your uwaechue so how come part of his organisation is endorsing ribadu.
guess whom i am endorsing next week.
who will now take u, ohanaeze and uwaechue serious again?
uninformed men with a lot of containers at the wharf claiming leaders.
it does not work.
people must learn to differentiate personal interests from that of the masses.
like i said before, nobody has any right to speak for me when it comes to who to vote least of all, uwaechue.

I still maintain that Ndigbo worldwide were consented before the endorsement. I am an Igbo youth leader in London and I was aware when the circulars were going round about it. Am regularly in touch with other Igbo organsations in Nigeria and outside Nigeria.
Do not be misled by groups that will spring up this period claiming to represent Ndigbo.
I agree that you have a right to vote for any candidate of your choice but you have to agree tht the Apex Igbo body has endorsed GEJ.

mikeansy:
How many times do you kill an antelop to become an antelop killer.

Tell us GEJ's programmes, the credibility claim has been exposed as a farce long ago.

It does not matter who is worse, they are all corrupt.

@the bolded, but who is more corrupt?. Why do you make a reference to GEJ's programmes of 6 months and ignoring other regimes which Mr OBI commented upon?. What is just your problem with GEJ?.

asha 80:
i do not care what obi or eze said.enough of this posting of ohaneze did this or youth group did that.how is it going to change the average man's vote on the street?same old round and roung debates.how many other ethnic groups do you see endoresment this endorement that.chineke ekwela njo.

It is not about Ohanaeze but about Obi's comments which involves NPN, NPP, Azikiwe, Gowon, Abacha, Ojukwu, Utomi, Ukiwe, Ojukwu etc.
If you have nothing to contribute, just ignore it, no need attacking the poster.

mikeansy:
Can someone please define credible?

On this week, the GEJ Government bribed a pastor for his support and someone still drops the credible line?

astonishing!!!!!!!!

There is another thread for a bribed pastor or not. But your IBB or now Atiku is worse.
Back t the topic, do you have rebuttals to Mr Obi's comments?.

ChinenyeN:
Yawn.

Chinenye, use your senses here. What are your comments on what Mr Obi said?. If there are lies, puncture it than yawn. Mind you, you have never in the history of Nairaland started a thread before.

asha 80:
Can you guys for once stop bringing attention to yourselves

What sort of attention are you talking about?. Anyway, attention should be on Mr Obi's comments not on the poster here. Say what you like or dislike about his comments.

Ndigbo, please support en-masse a credible new generation presidential candidate in the name of G.Ebere.J.

The Igbo & Jonathan’s Presidency
By Onyeabo Obi
I have just received a cheap campaign scare-mongering propaganda material entitled Igbos are doomed if Jonathan succeeds. True, the Igbos have suffered serious setbacks over the years (some of our own making), but the Igbos were not doomed by the events leading up to, during and following the CiviI War, were not doomed by the 9 years of Yakubu Gowon’s military rule, were not doomed by the 4 years of Shehu Shagari’s rule, were not doomed by the 8 years of IBB’s military rule, were not doomed by the 11 years of Olusegun Obasanjo’s rule, were not doomed by the 3 years of Yar’Adua’s rule and the Igbos have not been doomed by the 6 months so far of Jonathan’s rule, etc. Why would we be doomed by some more years of our brother/cousin/neighbour Jonathan’s rule? As someone opined: "If go back, we die, go forward we die, why not go forward and die?"
This campaign death scare "Igbos Are doomed if jonathan succeeds" was first distributed at the Concorde Hotel, Owerri venue of a recent (sadly aborted) political meeting by over-zealous paid agents of certain Northern aspirants. The scare reminds one of a similar campaign scare mounted by racist and ultra-right wing Americans against Obama: "If you vote an African American (Muslim) as President, America is doomed"! They say that all is fair in love and war, and this seems to give some political do-or-die combatants and their over-zealous supporters the excuse for dirty games! It failed to stop Obama being elected, and I believe that it will not, by itself, stop Jonathan from being nominated as PDP candidate nor from being elected President!
The under-belly of the propaganda is that some aspirants have said that, if elected, they will only serve one term and hand over power to Onye-Igbo! Look at their record: nobody abandons power unless he is forced to do so by the Almighty: (Abacha, 1998, Yar’Adua, 2010 - though they are not birds of the same feather), force of law such as Constitutional limitation or other process of removal (Obasanjo, 2007), force of arms or political pressure (Gowon did not hand over to civilians when he promised to and was overthrown 1975), IBB (Maradona) continuously extended his tenure and finally annulled "the freest and fairest election held in Nigeria widely believed to have been won by Abiola" and left only when he was forced by political pressures to step aside, 1993! OBJ was said to have reneged on his agreement to rule for only one term of 4 years, then planned to seek a third term after his 2 terms of 4 years each via an aborted Constitutional amendment and was forced to leave and hand over power on May 29, 2007 by the Constitutional limitation of tenure!
Why would anyone believe that any President would voluntary vacate office after one term of 4 years, if he can get another, just because he wants an Igbo element to succeed him? We have Maradona, not Mandela, remember! In the UK, remember the long tussle between Tony Blair and Gordon Brown over an agreement for succession! And why should any individual play God to Ndigbo by "dashing" us power or office? And why would any clear-headed self-respecting Onye-Igbo bask in this illusory, anaesthetising, non-justiceable and non-enforceable "promise" of eating off the crumbs of a master’s table?
The office of President or Governor is not zoned in the PDP Constitution – nor in the Nigerian Constitution; for that matter, otherwise, could PDP Senator Gbemisola Saraki be seeking to succeed her brother present Governor Bukola Saraki who has ruled Kwara State for 2 terms of 4 years each? How did Abubakar Rimi (Kano) contest the PDP Presidential Primaries in 1999 with Obasanjo and Ekwueme? How could Gemade (Benue) join the PDP Presidential Primaries contest against OBJ and Ekwueme in 2003? How did Rochas Okorocha (Imo), Ebitu Ukiwe (Abia) and others from the South contest the PDP Presidential Primaries against Yar’Adua and Gusau in 2007 and in fact, Rochas Okorocha came second to Yar’Adua in the contest, beating General Gusau?
If IBB or Atiku wanted to give power to Ndigbo, why did they not support any of the Igbo aspirants in any of the PDP Presidential Primaries: Ekwueme, Asiodu or Nwobodo, 1999, Ekwueme, 2003 or Okorocha or Ukiwe, 2007?
Bear in mind that the Zoning "arrangement/agreement/discussions/decisions" are a PDP "family affair" and that General Buhari (Katsina) and other Northerners contested the 2003 election on the platform of the APP/ANPP against OBJ, while Emeka Odumegwu Ojukwu (APGA), Pat Utomi (Delta) (ADC), Chris Okotie (Delta) and other Southerners contested the election against Yar’Adua in 2007 on the platform of their respective political parties.
In the Second Republic in which I was elected and served as Senator, my Nigerian Peoples Party (NPP) was against Zoning as a principle, but in the National Party of Nigeria (NPN) where Zoning was the official policy, one of the leaders of the Party, our own inimitable (and my double in-law Dr. Kingsley Ozuomba Mbadiwe declared nemo contradicente (without contradiction): "We Zone to UNzone"! Doctrinaires on the issue beware, as it is said that "only fools rush in where Angels fear to tread"! I have come to learn that In real-politik, one-plus-one is not always or necessarily two, as we were taught in school, and so Nigeria elected a President in 1979 on the 12-and two-thirds principle ("not to be used as a judicial precedent" and solved a contrived political impasse earlier this year based on "the doctrine of necessity", a well-known principle of International Law!
If Nigerians feel that Zoning is a necessary part of the development of our democracy, we should enshrine it in our Constitution; not between North and South, but between the six Geo-Political Zones (GPZs), with the order, manner and tenure of rotation clearly defined. But remember, Abiola did NOT win his election based on Zoning; nor did Obama!
Ndigbo are politically discerning and astute. In 1992, in spite of the fact that Onye-Igbo (Dr. Sylvester Ugoh, Imo, devout Christian) was the running mate to Alhaji Bashir Tofa (Kano), the Igbos resoundingly voted for Moshood Abiola (Ogun) and his running mate, Ambassador Baba Kingibe (Borno), both Muslims.
The Northwest (Murtala, Abacha, Shagari and Yar’Adua) has ruled Nigeria for a total of over 11 years, the North-East (Balewa) 7 years, North-Central (Gowon, Babangida, Abdulsalam (a total of 18 years), South-West (Obasanjo) 11 years, Southeast (Ironsi) - only 6 months and South-South ( Jonathan) only 6 months so far! If Federal character or Zoning means anything right, equitable and democratic, the South-South (Jonathan in situ) should continue, then followed by the Southeast: any return to any other zone before then should be seen as an aberration!
The position of Ndigbo has been succinctly re-stated by Ohanaeze Ndigbo in the Statement titled presidential election and zoning: The Position of Ohanaeze Ndigbo) signed by our President-General, Ambassador Ralph Uwechue, OFR, dated 15th October, 2010 published as a full page advertisement in different newspapers. The concluding sentence states:
"In line with this position, taken after wide consultations over several months among Igbo people at home and abroad, Ohanaeze Ndigbo confidently urges the Igbo Nation to support en masse a credible new generation Presidential candidate that has emerged from the South-South geo-political zone, Dr Goodluck Ebele Azikiwe Jonathan". Our esteemed leaders would not have taken this position if they are satisfied or feared that "Ndigbo would be doomed if Jonathan succeeds.
•Senator Obi, a senior legal practitioner, is a member, PDP Board of Trustees.

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