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A40:
They were down by 23 points in the 3rd quarter. With Durant. It's more likely than likely that they lose the game.

If they have a healthy Kawhi who says they don't win two or three games? Heck who says they can't win the series? Neither you or that lousy crackhead Bronsexual can prove otherwise. It will forever be one of those unknown unknowns

But MJ beating the warriors in 2017/18 is not an unknown? Also, you are right that they had a 23 pt lead but that was with 9 mins to go in the 3rd Q and 21 mins overall. We have seen LAL come back from a similar lead against a hot Denver within a shorter time frame than that. We also saw SAS lose at their own ground having led by 22 points to the same Warriors team with KD out. MJ can be the GOAT and still lose to a better team. It happened to him especially earlier in his career.

WeissVonner:
What about the five times LeBron was far and away the best player in the finals but came out of it with nothing to show for? The point is we don't take him as number 1, we don't even consider him better than Wilt, a guy his team beat multiple times and has fewer rings than Bill in the same era.

The biggest knock against Bron this year was he had AD. That was the argument everyone was making. You're right though, there is no definitive criteria to these awards. So stop trying to make it seem as if there is.

Even if he did not have AD he did not deserve to win it over Giannis just based on regular season stats and records. He deserved to win the FMVP and no one could argue that.

A40:
I am not delusional enough to suggest that MJ beats that Warriors team every year but I know for certain that he beats the 2017/2018 version of them.

Warriors at their strongest was the 16/17 season and even then you had the Spurs blowing them out in their own building till Zaza stepped on Kawhi's ankles and the series was ruined

I meant 2016/17 version of the warriors. My bad.

And yes, maybe they lose game 1 against Spurs with Kawhi (although they had lost a similar regular season game in Texas 22 points down after half time and without Durant). But, they are not winning that series. It would have been like Portland vs LAL this playoffs.

WeissVonner:
He said he's chasing a ghost 4 years ago. You said you are not just counting rings but you are telling me Bron needs more rings

Lol why are you people so obsessed with points? seriously! Jordan averaged more points, is that what you have to say? Bron led the league in assists and finished second in MVP voting while averaging three less points. You should also compare their stats in the finals.


Its not because of KD and Curry, its because its KD Curry Klay and Draymond. And wasnt the biggest argument against LeBron the fact that he had someone like AD and Giannis didnt? Thats why he didnt win.

I see now you're a Larriors fan who probably started watching basketball 5 years ago, so I get why some of your arguments sound so half formed. Theres no criteria that says the GOAT has to have the most rings or FMVP, never was until people started setting some asymmetric standards for LeBron.

Rings are a quantifiable way to characterize winning and dominance. FMVPs to a relaying-degree measure how much of that dominance and winning are dependent on said person. Let us not throw objectivity to the wind. The Bill Russell arguments are distractions that work both for and in your favor. If we take him as number one then MJ will still rank over LBJ which we are discussing. Harden has had a 29/11 season with better winning percentage than WestBrook but the MVP still went to Russell for his 31/10. The point being, there is no hard and fast rule to these things. The only constant is that Giannis had a better regular season statisitically and otherwise than every other player and with a better winning record. You are right that being the GOAT is not fixed on rings alone though.

WeissVonner:
Naah you're wrong, LeBron needs 7 more rings with at least 4 more FMVPs to catch up with the real GOAT, Bill Russell, since we're counting rings.

Bros, we are not just counting rings. MJ averaged more points than Bron to add to his regular season MVP at age 35. Bron is chasing a ghost and he said so himself. I respect LBJ but he is also benefiting from the narratives he thinks are against him. Don't forget when KD and Curry were never allowed to get MVP votes because the media accepted that they will "cancel eachother out" but changed that same rule for LBJ and AD? Let us be objective. LBJ has not eclipsed Jordan yet and he will have to atleast match his FMVPs to be reasonably there.

A40:
Don't go out of your way to misunderstand me. The claim was that the Warriors were unbeatable, I showed you that the Warriors were 3-2 down and a healthy Chris Paul away from being eliminated. Even in Game 7 without CP3 it took 27 straight missed 3's for them to lose

The very next year the Rockets were clearly not nearly as good and it showed because they were the #4 seed not the #1 seed

Jordan lost to Orlando yes but that was after almost two years away from basketball. He averaged 31pts in that series so he didn't do too badly.

My argument is replace Harden with MJ in 2018 they would have beaten that Warriors squad. Unless you're telling me Harden is better than Mike.

They made two's but if they had a midrange killer like MJ they would not need to take that many three's. Harden took 13 3's only made 2.

MJ is great enough to cause that Rockets team to win but if we are allowed to make the argument that Rockets were not the same the next year then we can do so for GSW with KD. Remember they did 16-1 in 2017/18 with a 67-15 record. Following season they were 58-24 and the 2nd seeded team with very obvious chemistry issues. I believe the "unbeatable" GSW they were refering to was the 2017/18 version.

A40:
I disagree. A healthy Chris Paul would have led the Rockets past Golden State in 2018. The Warriors were down at halftime in Game 7 by double digits and if they had any player with any kind of midrange game they beat the Warriors

It took a CP3 injury and Rockets missing 27 consecutive missed 3's for Golden State to advance. They were not unbeatable. The Rockets completely shat the bed in the second half. James Harden choked shooting 12/29

Jordan is the GOAT but...a Rockets team with CP3 and Harden lost to a KDless warriors the very next season 4-2.
And Jordan did lose to Orlando in his prime.
However, if your argument is that at 3-2 and with the double digits lead at half time, Jordan would have closed out that game against GSW, you have a point.
Also, Rockets did miss 27 consecutive threes but they made twos and free throws in-between the missed threes. They lost to the better team.

WeissVonner:
Lol. The man who went to 6 games against Payton and Kemp, 6 games against drexler and kersey, and 6 games against Barkley is going to beat a team with Steph KD Klay and Draymond.

Mental illness is real people.

Lebron is a top 5 talent of all times. I do not see him being above Jordan but if he gets 2 more rings as the FMVP, he will be above Jordan it is that simple.

steady986:
When the NBA is determined to prolong a series there's almost nothing anyone can do about it

They tried so hard to give the game to the Celtics.

Also, f*ck ESPN for the wackass coverage.