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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 5:23pm On Jan 16, 2025
Amigoss:
Why are you underrating North London reds undecided grin
You know what they say about Arsenal.

Just wait.

LOL
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 5:22pm On Jan 16, 2025
OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Pep will always go for technicality/control over physicality except on rare occasions. That's why Yaya Toure left Barca. Thing is that Gundo is also struggling. Old age don catch am. He can no longer offer control cox he can't keep/protect the ball when pressed.

I don't think most City fans will miss Walker with his atrocious defending and poor positioning. Make Milan come carry him.

I agree with you. Pep no be person wey dey like bring private issues outside. For the Union/marriage to escalate to divorce level, e mean say Pep don dey suffer mentally/emotionally with divided attention.
He may not be able to fix things with his wife cox it takes two to tango.. But he do need a break.
I read the emboldened many times and thought, how true !

They're saying his issue na another Tom Brady vs Wife issue. She wanted him to leave after this season but man extended the contract and that was the final dagger according to sources. I saw them touring Boston and even watching some of the NBA finals games and I thought they were nice and chummy.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 5:19pm On Jan 16, 2025
Ibime:
Because bundle by bundle no be good song

It won't be the first time Burna is dropping song, guage the reaction and switch it up. Na Drake style be that

Same when he dropped sitting on top of the world, he saw it was meh and switched focus

TBH he needs to switch it up cos his last album was not it. As a long time Burna fan since his first drop, that's the only drop I wasn't fucking with
My issue is, this is Kbot level PR stunting. I don't expect every single to be a massive hit. I don't even think that's feasible. I just don't gbadun the fake controversy and mudslinging. When "Ye" originally came out, it was not as big a hit until Kanye's album named same came out and people found Burna's song when searching for the Kanye album.

My point being, to focus on the music, life has a way of making people discover truly talented people.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 11:16pm On Jan 14, 2025
PDPGuy:
Liverpool must be thinking they’ve lost 4 points from two games that were very much winnable! Would these points haunt them at the end of the season?
It won't. Congrats to Arne Slot. He knows his 🌰.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 11:05pm On Jan 14, 2025
OkpaNsukkaisBae:
E be like say Pep marital issue dey affect City.
I think he needs a sabbatical. Man has not been the same for a while now.

If Walker had not requested to leave City, Pep would have started him today 100%.

2-0 up, struggling with physicality and Kovacic's positioning OOP? Yeah, take him off for Grandpa Gundo.

Leave Bernardo to just form activity on the pitch. Can't run, head, shoot - but he is press-resistant even though Brentford are using long balls.

I don't even trust Pep with overseeing the rebuild. He'll be arguing he can still do it with his current squad when fit.

He should go and fix his issues with his wife. Xabi Alonso can we have you now?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 9:29pm On Jan 14, 2025
Shegzdave:
Emotionally invested in an artiste grin grin
Burna doesn’t engage in that kinda PR stunt to promote his work, period☮️
I just mean you are defending him emotionally not logically.

I did not say he USES PR stunts to promote his albums but that is doing it NOW. Part of why it is successful is we are talking about him now. If he wasn't attacking Davido or CCP, you won't be talking about Bundle by Bundle do you agree?

It means his music is not why he is in the news right now and he instigated the reason he is in the news abi? Does he have an upcoming album?

That means he is doing PR for his album. QED.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 8:19pm On Jan 14, 2025
Shegzdave:
You don’t get it do you?
Burna cares more of his fanbase abroad and that’s why his fans base is called OUTSIDERS, also he won’t engage in any PR stunt(this has been My point l) to promote his work mad not even for Naija fanbase that he cared less about
I think you're emotionally invested in him which is fine, he is a talented artist.

I never mentioned anything about Nigerians (although contrary to the popular belief here, his most dominant fan base is still the Nigerian demographics).

Burna has been planning to release an album for a hot second now. It was shaping to be a surprise drop that never materialized. Then he announced a midnight drop that did not happen. Then he dropped Bundle by Bundle and followed with the video because the lyrics video was not doing well. I think it had less than 300K+ views even after 2 days or so which is absurd for Burna.

Then he proceeded to rallying 100 people to escort him purchase that Ferrari etc. That's all PR to keep his name in the news. Same as going at Davido etc. They are PR stunts.

That's why I said, watch out for another single drop (why drop one so soon after Bundle by Bundle that can kill its momentum if it was doing well?). He will drop another single that has to carry the album because he clearly wants to release an album and he needs buzz around it.

If Kbot and bigger artists than him engage, it is not beyond Burna. Time will tell if I'm right, right?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 7:07pm On Jan 14, 2025
Shegzdave:
All these doesn’t negate the fact that Burna will never engage in that kinda PR to promote his work
Says who?

You're saying this while he is currently engaging in one.

Watch him release another single (probably featuring an international star) or sample an old classic for his next single.

Getting to the top is not as hard as staying there.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 7:03pm On Jan 14, 2025
Singapore1:
in 2022 Leads had 38 point, they didnt relegate
in 2023 Everton had 36 points and didnt relegate
2021 is same.

na why i talk say this one na another air.mark student
A little knowledge can be very dangerous. That's the major issue with NLders.

The statement that 40 points is a safety net for teams hoping to avoid relegation does not mean any team with less than 40 points will be relegated. Just like 86 points being a safety net for winning the league does not mean any team with 86 points will win the league.

Adisa, Baba . . . Is not Ethiopian! tongue
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 1:11am On Jan 14, 2025
Shegzdave:
You think Burna is one of those artiste that engage in such things to promote his works?

Man has always been like that, if you try to shit at him, he’ll come for you
He was the aggressor vs Davido in their recent "spat".

And yeah, I think his new distribution deal (the one he bragged about potentially testing his love for music) might be pushing him into PR stunts.

Fear of failure makes people act differently.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 11:56pm On Jan 13, 2025
Amigoss:
What is bro trying to prove in all of these grin
- PR for an upcoming album that is not generating sufficient buzz for a release.

- Bundle by Bundle AKA Fumble by Fumble.

- Davido did not take the bait to mudsling.

- Jude Bellingham/ Main Character syndrome.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 11:53pm On Jan 13, 2025
OkpaNsukkaisBae:
NAFO poster boy in Europe is also offering assistance. The situation in California is extremely challenging.
This is just political optics because Gavin was being primed by Nancy Pelosi and co to be the democratic presidential candidate for '28.

Unlike in the past when they had control over the narrative on social media using fake FBI fact checkers etc, conflicted 3rd party agents, legacy media and so on. They are unable to do so since Elon purchased Twitter and freed it up relatively.

So when they set out to pretend that the situation was so overwhelming, a lot of real time information was immediately disbursed to counter it. Now they are needing to scramble and get some of the other crisis actors to play along. That's what you are seeing above.

This psychopath already declared a state of emergency in California for Bird Flu. LOL. Can anyone remember the authority governments had by declaring a state of emergency during COVID? That's what he is angling for.

I wish I can upload pictures of what they've done to the state.

And people wonder why Elon, Joe Rogan and so on all ran away from California. ExxonMobil, Chevron, Tesla etc moving their HQs permanently to Houston.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 11:37pm On Jan 13, 2025
Alvarez requested to leave City.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 6:41pm On Jan 13, 2025
OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Nope. You're not following it.
There's no water
There's no firefighters
Huge fire fighting equipments were donated to Ukraine by the LA Fire Department.
To augment, LA are now going to different correctional facilities in California, releasing prisoners, arsonist, rapist, murderers, criminals to serve as ad hoc fire fighting personnel. No wonder crime have risen in LA since they recruited criminals serving jail time to work as firefighters.

Now, Canada and Mexico are saying enough is enough. What are friends for? We have idle firefighters, fire fighting trucks and airplanes. We can help you, beggars no get choice na.
Gov. Gavin Newscum. In his own words from 0.07 secs.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 10:01pm On Jan 10, 2025
OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Lithium is the future. So these guys can do anything to secure their investment. The guy summarized everything.
There's a news report that the LA FIRE Service chief was more interested in promoting LGTVQ/Gay Rights, carry fire service trucks do gay party, dismiss firefighters who refused to take experimental vaccine, supply fire service equipments to Ukraine than protecting people from wildfire.
For context, up till 2024 (I'm talking few months ago), I relocated myself and family 👪 out of San Diego, California.

I'm not some stowaway trading punches with Kangaroos.

I also got my Chemical Engineering 3-letter advanced degree from the top Chemical engineering program in the world - on a FULL RIDE. Another context for where I've lived for years.

#MakeofThatWhatYouWill
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 9:33pm On Jan 10, 2025
obainojazz:
You people need to travel to be educated grin
California and Australia have extreme heat… something I’ve never seen anywhere in Nigeria.
Me as a black man can’t cope and I can’t even walk outside for five minutes in summer.
Even at night, we have extreme heat and when you hear it will be windy…. It’s hot breeze.

Rocks falling can create a spark and start a fire…. Even lightening with those hot winds can start a fire.

Educate yourself Charley and stop showing your ignorance online….
Cool.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 9:30pm On Jan 10, 2025
OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Lithium is the future. So these guys can do anything to secure their investment. The guy summarized everything.
There's a news report that the LA FIRE Service chief was more interested in promoting LGTVQ/Gay Rights, carry fire service trucks do gay party, dismiss firefighters who refused to take experimental vaccine, supply fire service equipments to Ukraine than protecting people from wildfire.
There's more to this but I'm proverbially biting my tongue at this point. Might want to investigate insurance coverage for those houses, how long it takes to get permits to rebuild, select architects, get building plan approved etc. Might also want to know why the 6th largest economy in the world refused to build reservoirs since 1979. How they fired fire fighters for the C-19 mRNA poison and never backfilled their positions. Budget cuts to the fire dept.

Like I said, orchestrated Arson.

They are about to welcome the new administration with another fake scamdemic. When it starts, just take note of the zombies 🧟‍♂️ who will align with it hook line sinker. . . AGAIN.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 9:23pm On Jan 10, 2025
In other news, Mark Zuckerberg. . .

Deceiving people is a lot easier than convincing them that they have been deceived.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 11:56pm On Jan 09, 2025
OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Great point. The lithium in the Donbass region of Ukraine were already sold to London. These guys are fighting for their investment. No be say dem love Ukraine.

About the US, they should do more to protect the lives and properties of Americans especially those living in the US. It should be America First
I read that the region in NC too was very Lithium rich. Puzzling. That post you quoted is spot on. The person knows what could have been done. They did not do it. Trump warned about this even in his Joe Rogan podcast. So it is not a new issue.

But Newsome's paymasters and donors gotta make bread. It is America only after Israel and Ukraine at this point. Biden donated $500M to Ukraine yesterday by the way. LOL
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 11:30pm On Jan 09, 2025
Ibime:
Nope he sued their mutual distributor for using fake bots to boost Kendricks diss streams. You can't be distributing my music and using bots to boost a diss song from my opps that could kill my career.
From IYRTITL, man has been fighting with UMG and Lucien Grange. Drake is looking for $1bln in contract renegotiations and UMG want to lowball him so they wanted to make him appear less popular than he was claiming in the negotiations. According to him, they've been doing it but the Kbot fiasco gave him more ammo to push the red button.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 11:27pm On Jan 09, 2025
OkpaNsukkaisBae:
LA Fire Department need this water right now..
grin

Guy, you're not far from the real issues. What I'll say is, take note of the companies that will end up buying up all that land. It is the same company that has a $1 trillion agreement to help rebuild Ukraine. Same company mopping up land from NC following "Hurricane Hellene" or whatever. Same company wanted to mop up land in Florida following their own "Hurricane".

There is a 3 letter organization in the US that owns the patent/technology for weather modification and other such things. They've even been using it since Vietnam.

The media will say it is climate change though or "hot" air. LOL.

For chemistry/chemical engineering students, what are the 3 most important factors involved in a fire?

1. Heat
2. Fuel
3. Oxygen (air has 20-21% Oxygen and 78% Nitrogen -which does not support combustion).
That's why you need excess O2.

Without these 3 factors, you can never have sustained fire. If a fire is sustained in such a highbrow area occupied by some of the wealthiest people on earth, without the fire dept capacitated to stem it, smells like orchestrated arson.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 7:42pm On Jan 09, 2025
User09:
Omo ehn

I kan dey doubt my memory grin grin.

Raumdeuter wetin happen na. A whole igwe angry
Baba no dey like hear anything about Henry. Na why I no dey too waste my time on Igwe matter vs Raum.

It is like Hazard or Terry. grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 7:40pm On Jan 09, 2025
raumdeuter:
Shearer was top 3 in 1996 on the back of the Euro 96. Same reason Jorginho was top 3 in 2021, Torres was in 2008.

What record is to break that Shearer holds? He is a striker and played ALL his career in the EPL. How many strikers have played ALL their career in EPL? That record would have been broken by Kane if he didnt go to Bayern last season

Batigol was a better striker than Shearer. Batigol was just being polite. Shearer went to World cup 98 and was dominated by Owen. Where was this surefire scorer? Not forgetting they missed the world cup in 1994

Salah admitting that KDB inclusion to Liverpool could have made a difference is not a big deal, It shows KdB was a great midfielder. The loads of injuries will have to count against KdB. City was a more stacked team than Liverpool

Henry was leading Arsenal when Man Utd was winning 3 in a row, when Chelsea came and was dominating the league, Where was this Henry at that time

Yesterday was a Carabao cup semi final, Salah has shown up in bigger games than this. Salah has 8 goals 5 assists in 15games vs Man city, the biggest team in EPL history. This is at a time when the EPL is very strong and one of the top 2 leagues not when Henry was doing it when EPL was a 4th or 5th ranked league

Every season Salah has led his team to knockout stages, led them to 3 CL finals. Salah has 46 CL goals in 85 appearances, Henry has 50 CL goals in 112 appearance. Henry was a complete disgrace in Europe.
At least you've now admitted that he was not being whitewashed to make a Ballon D'or podium finish. He has more top 10 placements than Salah as well. If the award gets diluted, it will have to dilute Zidane's as well since he won his in Shearer's era.

Next, Maradona is being touted as Football GOAT but not La Liga's because they are not the same. That's why CR7 is not in any meaningful EPL GOAT discussions. You can claim anyone is better than Shearer overall, but when it comes to the EPL - you have to use ONLY the EPL. Otherwise I can bring up Salah in Fiorentina/Roma to tarnish his image.

How can playing in the EPL be a disadvantage to a player in EPL GOAT debates? I think you need to think that point through. Same way, you're making arguments about Salah's achievements but pivoting to KdBs injury to exclude him. If the injuries were that debilitating, should Salah not have gone on to achieve more? Why let an injured player play 6 months and still bitchslap you?

And how did we conclude that City's team was better stacked? Yeah, we only claimed so based on winning. This is the same Liverpool team Klopp had last season. When KdB returned from injury, Salah's manager admitted that the whole of the EPL was shaking because of his return. It seems injuries don't factor when KdB is discussed. But now that Liverpool are being better coached under Slot, Salah needs to win this league title to rival Henry. LOL. Never mind the gap of 4 KdB will still have over him if Liverpool win another EPL title this season.

If Salah only needed another EPL title to be the GOAT, would Kane have been EPL GOAT with 261 goals? You simply cannot have it both ways. You cannot deride Shearer or Henry's EPL status based on WC, NT appearances and unrelated matter but then bring up stacked squads to defend Salah. Between Salah vs Shearer who played in better squads? grin Did Rooney, Scholes, CR7, not play in stacked squads? Why did Gascoigne not play for a big club etc etc. I can return your arguments to you in mutual fashion.

And if Salah's G/A vs City is part of his GOAT credentials. We better include Aguero into this debate too. He is far retired and still has better big game stats than Salah ever sniffed and guess what? He won more.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 6:44pm On Jan 09, 2025
raumdeuter:
My disdain for Henry stems from how overrated he is. I dont consider Arsenal a rival or the French team. Cos I stan some French players n his generation. Zidane is probably my all time favorite player. Like most of the Arsenal team, Henry was simply overrated. He was the best player in a 2nd to 3rd tier league simple. Its like being the best player in French or Portuguese league now. If you are talking about the EPL you have to put into context the level of the league.

Its like comparing Eedris Abdulkarim to Burna Boy. Sure they were both best in Nigerian music industry in their times, But what was the level of the Nigerian music industry globally at the time Eedris was dominating vs when Burna is Number 1?
EPL is Naija music industry, Henry is Eedris and Salah is Burna.

People say flattering things about fellow footballers, Its a form of Esprit de corp, I am sure if you ask Messi he can say player X and player Y were better but we the watchers know

Shearer was playing in the backwater EPL of that time where by knockout stages of CL they have all been eliminated. He was a strong header of the ball. Blackburn won 1 EPL title at the time when EPL was pure garbage. As English champions they finished last in a group of Spartak Moscow(Russia), Rosenburg(Norway) and Legia Warsaw(Poland). This will give you an idea of th level of EPL when Shearer was reigning

It was close to 5th tier
Shearer was a Ballon D'or finalist as well. EPL player of the year on multiple occasions and all the better players that came after him still can't break his record even though most other EPL records have been broken. That is telling.

I also think it was beyond courtesy when Batigol called Shearer the greatest. Shearer was more sure-fire to score a chance than Salah would ever be. Salah himself does not even think he is adequate enough for Liverpool. He is on video admitting that had KdB played for Liverpool and not City, then Liverpool would have won all those league titles rather than City.

That's an indictment of himself.

What's more, his own players echoed same. VVD, TAA - heck, even Klopp. Players in Henry's day referred to him as same. But the players currently playing with Salah still think they need someone else to elevate them.

Nah, this is no EPL GOAT. He is not even sniffing it.

Yesterday, had Liverpool gotten a PK and Salah converted, the overrated arguments vs Henry would have been whitewashed for Salah. You'd have called it big game cojones even though we watched him all game contribute zilch to his team. And we've seen that happen numerous times this season that is supposed to be his Ballon D'or campaign?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 6:06pm On Jan 09, 2025
raumdeuter:
All these players I watched them for most of their careers. I started watching Henry from Monaco because he was team mates with Ikpeba. I will tell you that if you take away the English press white washing of Henry, He was never regarded by most of the continent watchers, He was an epic choke in big moments. Salah is guaranteed to give you magic in big moments than Henry will. Henry is the type to pummel Southampton, Coventry and fade when the big games come, whether its for club or country, domestic or international. I dont want to even visit his NT career cos for the major wins, he was never a top 5 player for the NT. There is nothing Federer like in Henry. Its more like trying to elevate Andy Murray or the DelPotro into Tennis legend conversation

That said If Henry was Andy Murray, Salah was the Rafa Nadal. Power, precision, pace, efficiency plus the cojones to deliver at key moments

Now to Shearer, In his time, Shearer will not be a top 5 striker in Europe, its the same English whitewashing that he benefitted from. I watch the English whitewash most of their ex players and I genuinely laugh.. From Rio to Neville, to Carragher once they hold the mic they start polishing their mid careers.
If he was good enough at that time, he would have gone to a bigger team not get stuck at Newcastle and Blackburn, You really think Barcelona will go from a Romario, Stoichkov, Ronaldo, Players with tekkers for days to Shearer? Shearer was simply a Haaland who came earlier. The only English players good enough for that level of football were Lineker Gascoigne, Scholes and Rooney
You're making some good points but your disdain for Henry is well-known so reader's discretion is advised. Henry's overall ranking in football pantheon tanked due to some big game fumbles but we are talking EPL here. Salah does not qualify for football pantheon to the same degree.

I wanted to address the Shearer points more because some of your points are flat out blasphemous.

Here is a list of strikers and coaches in his day that admitted he was better than them or their strikers:

1. Batistuta.
2. Del Piero.
3. Trezeguet.
4. Marcelo Lippi
5. Ferguson

Ferguson tried to buy him for a world record fee in 98. United won treble 99, 3 peat up to '01. There's no telling what United achieve with him.

Playing for Blackburn between 93-96 was nothing to slouch at. That was City/CFC of his day before their financial issues and his records there speak loudly.

From what I can tell, what did him in was ligament injuries that did not have the evolution of medicine today that it lacked in 97. So injuries like that could derail world class players like El Fenomeno as well.

Did you say Barca did not want him? They did. I actually mixed up the story. They wanted him or Ronaldo. He rejected them.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 5:28pm On Jan 09, 2025
raumdeuter:
What was graceful about the way Shearer played that wasnt about Salah or even Henry
Good question. Grace here means refinement. How poised they made what they do, look.

To that end, compared to all the strikers of his day, he was the most refined (which is interesting when you add his stat volume). But he elevated it with his precision and accuracy. Every angle you gave him the ball was a deadly chance. Headers. Left foot. Right foot. Penalties. Volleys. 1v1. Pace. Being decisive. Anything related to scoring Shearer did it at the highest level. And he was an incredibly talented long ball passer!

Shearer did not miss 1 billion chances, score 2 and get 2 jammy assists. I even think he would have been better than Erling today if they were agemates and he was playing under Pep. Imagine his trophy collections had he signed for United in 98. I think Barca wanted him to replace El Fenomeno as well. Need I say more.

Henry is like Federer. Football was like follow come for him. You enjoyed watching him more. Every thing looks more clunky under Salah.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 4:22pm On Jan 09, 2025
monerozi5590:
An argument can also be made using stats to show that Salah is top five in EPL history.
His stats are up there. I've said so. The issue is, Kane's stats too where up there and nobody watched him for Tottenham and felt - this guy is as good as Henry.

Literally nobody.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 4:20pm On Jan 09, 2025
Unlimited22:
Abukhodir Khusanov.


Your thoughts.
Txiki/George Mendez signing.

TBVH, don't know much about him but video compilations show he is incredibly quick, perseverant and aggressive. Tends to go to ground quickly (as per sliding) but that leaves with age. Giving Rudiger+ Araujo+Ruben Dias Hybrid vibes.

Personally, I like Vitor more. He is touted as the Thiago Silva regen in Brazil. Intelligence for days. That Brighton and Sporting (were willing to pay £24M for an 18 year old) but Palmerias rejected it insisting on £30M or nothing - so he can become the most expensive defender in Brazil's history!

Sign me up.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 4:14pm On Jan 09, 2025
raumdeuter:
List the top 5 and let's see

You mean the graceful ways without stats of Okocha will be more appreciated than the effectiveness with stats to show of Lampard
Culled based on Team Achievements, Individual awards, Stats, Aura/Grace, Global Influence and Peer-to-Peer recognition.

1. KdB
2. Henry
3. Rooney
4. Shearer
5. Scholes.

Some may differ on Scholes/Lampard but that is an example of stats + aura that Scholes had vs Lampard who just had stats.

Salah is cracking top 6 but when he does not score or assist in any game, he does not influence it. This happens way too often.

Salah is the quintessential system player. The system at Liverpool is essentially built for him. How they press in & OOP, the angle they constantly attack from, the penalties, the type of players they sign etc. So he has to catch some flak for Liverpool's relative lack of winning vs KdB/City for e.g in the years they competed.

PS: I did mention that the stats were necessary hence why David Silva, Dennis Bergkamp, Catona etc don't crack top 6.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 3:26am On Jan 09, 2025
Vitor Reis.

Remember the name.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 3:18am On Jan 09, 2025
raumdeuter:
So what makes one top 5 if not these
An argument can be made for top 6. But the Mount Rushmore of the EPL should be players who are so graceful they could influence games without stats even though they had/ve great stats.

I think Salah misses the mark on this. But I agree with him being the GOAT of African players in EPL.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 11:23pm On Jan 08, 2025
airmark:
You should have followed Blueray agenda of rubbishing transfermrkt data.

Transfermrkt tags him a CF, you said no he is a LW because of the position he played in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018. Sergio Ramos is also a RB because of his position in 2005. grin
A player's main position is the position he has played MAINLY.

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