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raumdeuter:
Tinubu Godfather brought Aregbe
Aregbe used Godfather to rule Alimosho for almost 20yrs

But suddenly Godfatherism is bad when it's time to pay it forward to someone else

Adeleke family with governors, senators is not godfatherism. One Adeleke after another. That is fine. Just change Adeleke to Tinubu and see if the story won't change. lol

Nigerian politics and the political space na cruise. The people who make enemies because of politicians are the people I laugh at the most.

homesteady:
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Android17 this is the screenshot you posted.

Nature of suit - Drug related seizure of property.

It was IRS Special Agent Moss that brought the complaint

So what are we saying?

Do you know what makes me sad in all these? You had every chance to just accept that this is not your turf or area of interest and I would have let you off. But lai lai, NLders must prove they know something in an area that they know eff all.

Now let me educate you. The IRS Special agent Moss did not bring a complaint. He was the leading witness in BATs case because he is the guy who specializes in money laundering as it involves narcotics.

The state was trying to get Akande etc and knew that getting the person who was helping launder money for them would help. That person, the suspect, was BAT. Since, to them, BAT only came in when it was time to launder the money, they got this IRS agent to review his accounts and let them know if he saw anything suspicious. He did. That is why the court paper says he presented an affidavit. Read up on affidavits. The person bringing the complaint or plaintiff is not Agent Moss. That person is the district attorney or DA and his name is Michael J Shepard. Ask anyone with a working knowledge of the US or the law. They'll tell you that it is the DA that is the plaintiff in cases like these.

The DA would also have presented a DEA agent as his leading witness in the case of the other guys. The only reason you are not reading so much about that person is because the state could not prove BATs direct involvement in selling the drugs itself. In fact, they could not prove his involvement in terms of laundering. If they did, BAT would have forfeited more than 460K. He would have lost the other 1M as well as done jail time.

Stop arguing like some incorrigible troll. Come on, this is 2022. Evidence is attached.

homesteady:
I hope you have a bottle of coke nearby? Because you are exhibiting signs of hypoglycemia.

Android17 - “ IRS's jurisdiction is money-laundering OF ALL TYPES”

Agent Moss of IRS - I am experienced and trained in how persons in narcotics trafficking launder money.

Homesteady - he is investigating money associated with narcotics trafficking.

Since Android17 is now going into hypoglycemic shock and can’t communicate coherently on what the difference is , someone should help.

I'll usually let people begging for a way out to have it. But not when they have done stronghead for long - no way.

If the IRS charges a person to court will it be based on narco or because of money?

Stop with the fake humor. You are trapped and I won't allow you fake your way out of it.

homesteady:
Wonders shall never end. What exactly is the issue?
You are saying his jurisdiction is money laundering of all types. I said he is investigating money laundering associated with narcotics trafficking.

So what exactly is your issue?

My friend, shut up. Is he there because of the narco or because of the money laundering? Why do you think I asked you why your joke was money laundering IndecentStar and not narco-trafficking IndecentStar?

Highlighted for people at the back ooh.

homesteady:
Nah, don’t use my line. I have told you countless times that you don’t read

Ok, I don’t read. That doesn’t change the fact that you are helpless in defending your point.

I admire your coping mechanism.

homesteady:
You have alluded that I don’t understand what I’m posting almost 3 replies in a row and I’ve told you to make me understand, yet, nothing.

It is not me that said narcotics related money laundering, it is Special Agent Moss of the IRS himself, the man you are accusing of not knowing his job description.

The fact that you keep saying this shows why Larride knew better than to continue with you. And the sad part is, the fact is still being lost on you.

Special Agent Moss is an IRS agent. IRS's jurisdiction is money-laundering OF ALL TYPES. Special Agent Moss was brought in because his specialty is in knowing if an account is being used to launder narco money.

Android17:
If only you can see that the joke is on you.

Why didn't you say maybe he was investigating narcotics related murder? Why narcotics related money laundering or money laundering by pornstars?

Please Please Please don't let this point walk past you.

Still hoping you caught this.

homesteady:
My laughter has no bounds seeing you in this vulnerable and helpless position.
You that have been arguing against what is written on court papers for almost 2 days suddenly don’t have anything to say here. Like I said, e hook you for throat.

Arguing against court document? Haha. The average Nigerian can't read.

homesteady:
Have you answered my question? No.

If you had read IRS special agent Moss job description that I posted, you would have answered my question and you would have also answered your question by yourself.

Maybe he was investigating money laundering by pornstars

If only you can see that the joke is on you.

Why didn't you say maybe he was investigating narcotics related murder? Why narcotics related money laundering or money laundering by pornstars?

Please Please Please don't let this point walk past you.

homesteady:
In other words, you don’t have any statistical backing for your earlier claim? You wanted to do assume and Insha Allah?

Believe what you want. If I keep going at it, I'll end up defending Buhari which I don't want. You are the one who has the data. You only cannot reconcile that data with USA and the rest of west. I understand your pickle.

homesteady:
Explain what I posted then answer my question.
Let me repeat the question- Are you arguing with the job description given by IRS special agent Moss himself?

You have a penchant for asking questions when answers have been given repeatedly.

Was Moss brought in for Narcotics or for money laundering?

homesteady:
Are you arguing with the job description given by IRS special agent Moss himself?

You don't understand what you posted. lol

homesteady:
The problem with you is that you don’t read and that’s why you are embarrassing yourself here.

Special Agent Moss of the IRS said I’ve learnt through training and experience how persons involved in narcotics trafficking launder money. But Android17 that is still denying his former identity on nairaland is saying that he doesn’t know his job.

Of course, when losing an argument they switch to former identity. Like every other loser I know.

"How persons involved in narcotics trafficking launder money". lol

I hope your own post is not lost on you.

homesteady:
So that article is filled with assumptions?

They wrote on 3 sectors, I said you should just pick one and counter it. The one you picked, you only touched inflation oh and e don hook your neck already

If your recollection of events is that I got hooked, you are right bro. The same you who can't explain what should happen differently since the whole world is saddled with it.

homesteady:
Lmao.
It is already established that he is linked to people involved in the narcotics business now

Was he not linked to Akande and Agbele? Is that not what sparked the whole investigation? He had the same address with Akande, Remi had a joint account with Akande’s wife.

Which is why the IRS were brought in to investigate his accounts. What is your point?

Did I not say I agreed with you that he is definitely an accomplice but that law enforcement did not prove it in court?

homesteady:
Give me an answer. Yes or No.

An IRS agent can’t investigate money laundering associated with Narcotics trafficking??

I can't answer yes or no to a stupid question.

IRSs jurisdiction includes money laundering. They have no territory in Narcotics which is for the DEA. So the DEA have to be investigating Narcotics trafficking before an IRS agent can be brought in to determine if an account holder was helping to launder narco money.

homesteady:
Oga go and sit down. You should know better than trying to pull out unverifiable things out of your arse in this section.
You are not going to put up a defence because it’s going to be all assumptions and you know it won’t fly! Simple!

So what is your own if not assumptions?

homesteady:
Are you saying an IRS agent doesn’t have jurisdiction to investigate money laundering associated with narcotics trafficking or what? Or the A(i) I’m sticking to can’t be used by IRS or what??

Yes a(i) is a DEA function. They are the ones to decide if the unlawful specified activity is narcotics related.

homesteady:
Are you saying an IRS agent doesn’t have jurisdiction to investigate money laundering associated with narcotics trafficking or what? Or the A(i) I’m sticking to can’t be used by IRS or what??

Even after I told you IRS functions like a combo of FIRS+EFCC?

Segedinho:
it is not about borrowing to pay salary anymore??


Baba you win.

i give up......Buhari is d best Nigerian president ever.......

peace be unto you

That is why I said first understand what is being said. America has more debt than the whole of Africa put together.

I never told you Buhari never borrowed. I did not even say he never borrowed to make up for salaries. But he is borrowing when the economies of the world are all crippled and a majority of what he borrowed was for infrastructure - not salary.

Compare it to someone else who was bragging he had the best economy in Africa but then borrowing to pay majorly salaries.

If you don't know the difference please, let me be. I already told you Buhari failed. The only reason we are arguing is about who failed more, I said it is Jonathan.

homesteady:
Android17 did you miss this?

This is your 2nd argument based on assumption.

Even the topic you don't understand you are still doing stronghead in, don't worry. I am not going to put up a defence for Buhari. But the Jonathan nonsense won't fly.

Segedinho:
Like i said earlier...you are blind not emotional.

wch is better bw borrowing to pay workers and borrowing with nothing to show for..


your defence is wack and lack substances...

both are failure but buhari is worse..

....

lol you are simple. Stop throwing words around that you don't understand. Did you read the article you posted or just ran with the headline?

If a country claims they have revenue shortfall and then borrow to make up for that shortfall is it the same as borrowing when you are bragging you have the best economy?

Between both borrowers which of them had a greater percentage earmarked for infrastructure or salaries and which of the govts did better with the infrastructure?

If you have nothing intelligent to say. Find someone else to debate. I am not doing bonanza to reply stupid posts abeg.

I hate that I am defending Buhari.

homesteady:
Since you were in Chicago in 1993 when the case happened and you know the exact part of Code 1956 that was used, I was also there and I know the exact part of Code 1956 that was used.
You chose A(ii), I choose A(i). How do you see it?

Special Kevin Moss of the IRS owns the investigation and his aim was those laundering money gotten from narcotics trafficking. Which was the case against Tinubu.

Chai o. My hands don fall.

So you don't know the difference between EFCC and NDLEA? So by reading those codes you cannot tell which part involves DEA and which will involve IRS (IRS in the US also has FIRS + EFCC functions) by the way.

Chai. I am sad.

Segedinho:
This is "myopism" of the highest order .


Buhari borrowed hell outa Nigeria n couldn't pay d agreed fees with ASUU but was busy buying flashiy cars....


i think ur defence of Buhari vs Jonathan isn't just only emotional but blind

Notice I have been patient with you because you are not exactly flash upstairs. You are literally talking like someone who is not educated. No offense.

Every nation borrows. The issue is not borrowing. The issue is borrowing to pay salaries and during a time you are bragging you have the best economy in the Africa.

Now review your screenshot, delete it and look for something better. Meanwhile, the issue with ASUU is not money Buhari personally owes them. Just read up before replying. I am not here to educate people for free. I don't even think Buhari is worth it.

homesteady:
I should be asking you if you know the meaning of AND.
By Virtue of that AND present there, it means 21 USC 881(a)(6) happened abi? So why are you ignoring it?

AND is a strong conjunction. It connects factors that are to be taken jointly .

This means the court needed 21USC 881(a)(6) AND 18USC 981 to confiscate the money. They could not confiscate the money without both of them being together.

21 USC 881(a)(6) has to do with forfeiture of money, securities or anything that can be used as a legal tender/monetary instrument. Then 18 USC 981 covers amongst others the 1956 code - which encompasses how IRS can be delegated to do the seizing.

I now went to the 1956 code to show you IRS gets involved in 2 ways. They are attached with red highlights.

Look at what you posted here this time it says either X OR Y. The OR Y part mentions the very same things I am telling you. Either drug trafficking (X) or violation of financial transactions (Y). OR is not AND. Or links alternatives.

Which of them (X or Y) will the IRS be involved in? Recall, if it was X, the DEA should have been involved not the IRS. If you don't get it, ask a competent lawyer to explain it to you. #NightNight

homesteady:
They cited 2 US codes abi?
1)The first one was specific to the dot: 21 USC 881(a)(6), which states that

All moneys, negotiable instruments, securities, or other things of value furnished or intended to be furnished by any person in exchange for a controlled substance or listed chemical in violation of this subchapter, all proceeds traceable to such an exchange, and all moneys, negotiable instruments, and securities used or intended to be used to facilitate any violation of this subchapter.
Note - Controlled substance, which is the drugs.

2) The 2nd code was not specific to the dot, it just said 18 USC 981, which has a part that makes reference to 3 other wide sections.

Before I go ahead with my point 2, why are you totally ignoring the very specific one and going on a goose chase with the 2nd code?

Do you know what AND in the English language signifies? I am not trying to be condescending but I have to ask.

homesteady:
Awoo Android17 for the love of God, please

I wonder what you were thinking when you posted that screenshot. Na own goal you score, because I did not even have it


It is ORDERED that the money be Forfeited… pursuant to 21 USC 881(a)(6). How did this order come about when it did not hold?

Oh I think I know what you mean. When I say the charge/suit of drug related seizure did not hold I mean it did not hold in court. "Hold" here means that is not what they got him on.

homesteady:
Awoo Android17 for the love of God, please

I wonder what you were thinking when you posted that screenshot. Na own goal you score, because I did not even have it


It is ORDERED that the money be Forfeited… pursuant to 21 USC 881(a)(6). How did this order come about when it did not hold?

lol you clearly don't know how the law works or what an order is.

They cited 2 US codes as the basis of the court order. I attached them. Look at the second citation. It makes reference to the 1956 US code I sent you under which IRS can get involved. It was the IRS that confiscated BATs money. Do you agree?

Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

raumdeuter:
Anyone who believe a Politicians wealth will be clean needs to buy that ocean view property in Katsina

If someone wins SHOA elections and becomes rich we should all believe it was his salary that made him rich. Like Zelensky became 500M rich through comedy or Nancy Pelosi is worth 200M due to her 200K a year salary. Some people are just too simple and naive.

Theflint1:
Premium times was either lying or they were late to the news. The report was made available since February of 2015.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/02/pwcs-forensic-audit-report-on-nnpc-matters-arising/

You first said since 2015 till today, they refused to release the audit statement, now you're saying that no, they released it, but was later in 2015 after Buhari commented on it. Which one is it, and did you lie that PWC did failed to release the audit report since 2015 till today?

They initially released highlights and absolved FG and NNPC of any wrongdoing. Then everyone said release the whole darn report let us see it. They refused till April 25 2022 after Buhari had won the elections. Remember, they themselves now said don't take our report seriously.

Even if people are dealing with recency bias and nostalgia I am here to remind them.

chrisooblog:
Abi all families of people that died from bomb blasts and BH attacks during GEJ time will remember him fondly.

And after this bomblast (eagle square or UN building I forget which one now) GEJ partied hard. The man was going to International conferences with half of Nigeria on his tab and was known to get so drunk that they'll hire a standby doctor to pump his belly of alcohol. Jonathan the Otuoke drunk. After elections, I'll go back to my archives of his atrocities.