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Interesting!

Aconomist:
It is a oligopoly (limited competition) not a monopoly. But Oligopoly is just as bad as monopoly because the few producers can coordinate with each other to keep prices high. Also note that Dangote's market share in the southern part of the country is pure monopoly. BUA Group sells mostly in the North and LaFarge only sells to civil engineering companies -- they don't usually do residential.

yesloaded:
To make it simple, let FG unban importation of cement

It's that simple

USA doesn't have crude oil whereas we do here in Nigeria

The bolded, USA has crude oil.

You have been asking where the elites are, aren't you aware they have their own share?

Tobbit:
Smh. Where are the elites for goodness sakes or does education imply just speaking good Queens English.

very interesting points you have made.

Tobbit:
Hahahahahahahahaha. Yes. Cause when one can't speak about one's activities with high level of intelligence, it means there's rottenness deep within. That's why no matter what he does Arsenal won't sell the club to him so he can white wash his image


He's stripping Nigerians to the bones but just few know it.


Cement should not be more than 2500/3500 Naira per bag.


When Dangote mentioned interest into Tomatoes, the market got destabilised, same Tomato that had revolved around 40/60 Naira for decades skyrocketed to 150/200 Naira


Now let me go deeper into the underlying econometrics of this.


If Tomato is farmed, processed, cost of maritime, haulage to Nigeria and the price steadies around 40/60 Naira for a decade, Home based productivity that benefits the masses should go below the import/retail price for the same size and not Quadriple it.


Which makes me beg our local outfits when they write stories why don't they get experts to run intelligent analysis on issues like this?


How should Tomato farmed in Italy/China cost five times lesser the proposed Nigerian price. And we want to maintain a strict almost closed market structure around it



The same thing is being done to Milk as we speak and will begin to roll out over the next few years


Local productivity isn't just about creating jobs if it's not going to result into subsidised reduction or close in prices to Imported goods, then should we bother about home based productivity atall?



The insult as a macroecononist that I am is Many average Nigerians will say fluctuations, light, power this that and that. Forgetting these guys mostly use casualties labours, generate huge finances from the stock market which in itself ought to be a stabiliser against sudden spikes in production chain


So I beg to wonder where are the elites



If I'm wrong, why is Milo still the same price inspite of different economic realities in the past 5 to 10 years. Kiln maintained the same price for over a decade. Nut No, Dangote must spike prices 50 times every 2 years, yet Nigerians are the ones financing it realistically and getting terrible Dividends that doesn't reflect profits his overall financial standings continue to reflect



I don't think Nigerians have professionals in the media. I doubt.

Ehe this is how it should be!! Acidosis is backing his argument with data and figures, you are countering with your data and figures, no time for insults or emotions.

Aconomist:
Well, I respect you for at least trying to argue with me based on data. I have attached Dangote's 2020 earnings presentation and screenshotted page 8. Here is the link: https://www.dangotecement.com/wp-content/uploads/reports/2020/FY2020/DangoteCement_FY2020_ResultsPresentation.pdf

As you can see circled in red, Dangote's EBITDA margin in Nigeria is 58% -59%, which I rounded to 60%. This means he is selling cement at more than double its cost of production. If you are not aware, "EBITDA" refers to Earnings Before Interest Taxes, Amortization or Depreciation -- similar to cash operating profits. Compare this to Dangote's "Pan African" segment, where the EBITDA margin is only 22%.

His margin is lower in other African countries because they have high levels of competition in the market and don't allow Dangote to price gouge like he is doing in Nigeria. The chart you listed above is combining Dangote's Nigerian operations with his Pan African operations.

You are going about this the wrong way in my opinion.
It is obvious you know what you are talking about. You have presented your argument and backed it up with facts and figures. Don't engage in throwing insults, because once you do, the message which you are trying to pass across would be forgotten and it becomes tit for tat with insults.

It is obvious that many Nigerians are not aware of the tax breaks and numerous tax exemptions and political backing Dangote has been enjoying over the years. But you're in a position to educate them. Don't allow yourself to be distracted with insults.

Aconomist:
I'm a trained economist in the U.S. I don't know what they teach you in Nigerian schools, but when you see someone selling cement at more than double its cost of production (60%) EBITDA margin that should tell you that the market is anti-competitive and broken.

If I was to pitch Dangote cement stock to most serious American investors, they would tell me that these numbers are the result of fraud or corruption. If Nigerians are defending something like this, you monkeys really have the zoo country you deserve. The only thing intelligent people should do is train themselves to stop caring and wash their hands of Nigeria.

Dangote actually crippled Ibeto: https://nairametrics.com/2018/08/25/cement-wars-the-battle-for-cement-dominance-between-ibeto-vs-dangote/

Acidosis:
You guys are always on Dangote's matter yet his cement is not the only available brand in the market. Did anybody force you to buy Dangote cement?

...always complaining about how Dangote killed competition. Tbh, this is one of the craziest things I have seen on the internet. If Dangote wants to kill Ibeto, Unicem, Lafarge and others, all he needs to do is crash the price of cement to N1000 per bag. He doesn't need to bribe anybody. This is simple economics. Make una dey use una head on this forum.

Dangote is wicked bla bla, yet his noodles, spaghetti and salt are some of the cheapest brands in the market.

Look at the images below and search for the brand with the best and cheapest offer.

As per the Zambian analogy from the OP, it's really not worth a response from me. I would leave that for primary school students to debate.

not true, "Local production is useful but it should not come at all costs. So much was made of the expected outcomes for Nigeria once cement production was localised, but have the premises for those promises been proven right? Available data shows that Nigerian cement firms have the world’s highest profit margins, with Dangote Cement having margins of 45 per cent, when margins of major cement producers in other countries in India, Germany, Mexico, range from 1 to 14 per cent, with one other outlier being China’s Anhui Conch Cement that has a 21 per cent profit margin.

Margins this high in what is arguably the least developed continent on the planet do not make a lot of sense. Having profits from lower margins on higher volumes would give more of a mutually beneficial situation."

you can read the full article here: https://www.premiumtimesng.com/opinion/450128-of-dangote-and-near-absolute-monopolies-by-cheta-nwanze.html

elGenius:
Op is just being mischievous and petty, or maybe ignorant.

let me enlighten you.

say you are an international business man selling product "A" to your country and country "Bc"

if the fuel price, electricity cost, tax and salary budget in your country is almost 2 or 3 times that of country "Bc", according to the law of cost, expenses, profit and all the economy brouhaha , will you still sell the product at the same price?

if not which country will "A" be cheaper??

this is common sense.

and Aba man who sells shoes in Lagos - imported through the port - and in his home town Aba, where do you think his shoes will be cheaper.

it's all about the expenses and profit.

The truth is that, Nigerians aren't aware.

Aconomist:
The country is a complete zoo. At this point I would rather invest in Ghana or Kenya than Nigeria. Worthless country full of zombies and monkeys. Dangote is selling cement for double (and sometimes triple) the international prices and monkey dey suffa and smile.

Dangote crippled Ibeto using OBJ. https://nairametrics.com/2018/08/25/cement-wars-the-battle-for-cement-dominance-between-ibeto-vs-dangote/

Permesso:
He's looking for quick money to invest and finish his Gigantic refinery in Lagos. He's as greedy as Nnewi man. Ibeto should come out and do his justice, but his no where to be found. Can you imagine 1500 in Zambia while Nigeria where it's produced and soursed is unattainable in price.

I love it when people argue with facts.

Aconomist:
Dangote has a EBITDA (this calculates profits before tax, interest, depreciation, etc.) margin of 60%,. He says it in his annual report. If he has an EBITDA margin of 60% and he is selling for 3,000 naira, his cost of production is only 1200 naira. Also, notice how much lower the EBITDA margin is in "Pan Africa" which is his operations outside Nigeria.

This just just open price gouging. And you monkeys are too dumb to see it.

Link: https://www.dangotecement.com/wp-content/uploads/reports/2020/FY2020/DangoteCement_FY2020_ResultsStatement.pdf go to page 4.

Not true. https://www.premiumtimesng.com/opinion/450128-of-dangote-and-near-absolute-monopolies-by-cheta-nwanze.html

PlsBanMe:
Dangote is not donating to politicians there or to the two major political parties in that country as he does in Nigeria. Someone has to pay after all.

His business there probably run on public electricity supply, thereby reducing his costs unlike Nigeria where he probably has to bribe electricity distribution companies and has to have standby generator sets.

Less cost of production will lead automatically to lower prices of goods.

They have their own share na!

Masonkaycares:
I have solemnly sworn not to have a business in Nigeria. What kinda wickedness is this? If he sold this mutherfvcken cement at the right price, house for full everywhere but no he chooses to monopolize it(supported by the zombies governing this shitthoole) and everyone suffers. F^©k Dangote. It will never be well with your 4th generation.

Not true, "Local production is useful but it should not come at all costs. So much was made of the expected outcomes for Nigeria once cement production was localised, but have the premises for those promises been proven right? Available data shows that Nigerian cement firms have the world’s highest profit margins, with Dangote Cement having margins of 45 per cent, when margins of major cement producers in other countries in India, Germany, Mexico, range from 1 to 14 per cent, with one other outlier being China’s Anhui Conch Cement that has a 21 per cent profit margin.

Margins this high in what is arguably the least developed continent on the planet do not make a lot of sense. Having profits from lower margins on higher volumes would give more of a mutually beneficial situation."

You can read the full article here: https://www.premiumtimesng.com/opinion/450128-of-dangote-and-near-absolute-monopolies-by-cheta-nwanze.html

jaszplus12:
I saw a comment on facebook where someone was insulting Dangote for selling cement in Ghana...he quoted the price as equivalent to #800. Of course out of ignorance! Cement is 38-39 Ghana cedis equivalent to about #2,500...in fact Dangote cement is 39 cedis....so I wonder what people want...the condition you mentioned are quite different in Ghana because almost everything is available...

you are correct

Aconomist:
When people ask me why I don't invest in Nigeria, remember this thread and responses like this. Nigerians are addicted to stagnation and justify their own demise -- only a fool would put his hard earned capital into a nation of monkeys like this.

Cement prices around the world range from $3 to $6 while Dangote is selling for the equivalent of $11 for a profit margin of 60% in Nigeria compared to an industry average profit margin of 5% to 12%. He is able to charge these high prices because of low competition -- he kicked out competitors by hoarding limestone resources and convincing the federal government to ban imports.

According to Rabiu of BUA Group, Nigeria's real cost of cement production is the lowest in the world. The high prices are because of price gouging and monopolistic behavior from Dangote.

Bros, this is an excerpt from an article in the premium times newspaper, "Local production is useful but it should not come at all costs. So much was made of the expected outcomes for Nigeria once cement production was localised, but have the premises for those promises been proven right? Available data shows that Nigerian cement firms have the world’s highest profit margins, with Dangote Cement having margins of 45 per cent, when margins of major cement producers in other countries in India, Germany, Mexico, range from 1 to 14 per cent, with one other outlier being China’s Anhui Conch Cement that has a 21 per cent profit margin."

You can read the full article here: https://www.premiumtimesng.com/opinion/450128-of-dangote-and-near-absolute-monopolies-by-cheta-nwanze.html

samwash:
Let's face the reality, many factors comes into play in the production industry.
lets compare Zambia to Nigria in terms of
Economic growth
Government policies & tax
Dollar exchange rate
Source of raw materials
Market competivenes
Manpower & Technology
Security, Power etc.
A company that has its factory in two different country ( lets say Nigeria & Benin Republic) will not sell a particular product the same price in both country even if they are neighbors.
Note; the value of the country local currency plays a major role that's were inflation comes into play.

Very simple. Decentralisation. Decentralise the police force. Every single constituent(state) should have it's own unique police force equipped to tackle the security challenge of its own constituent (state).
For example. There has been bandits attacks and school children kidnapping in Kaduna State, the Kaduna State police force leadership (inspector general of Kaduna State police force) can focus squarely on bandits, by training their men on how best to counter bandits, allocating the required resources, be it financial or manpower to the appropriate departments. The Kaduna State police force would be made up of Kaduna men so therefore, they would have more motivation to see their state secure.
This example can be applied to Oyo and Benue States where Fulani herdsmen have been terrorising citizens.

How old were you then?

Vyzz:
Didn't prepare for it as it was sudden...


Even if I had time I probably won't prepare much....

Was shy, didn't say anything much...

We just sat silently for minutes...


Then I told her I want to go home

There's this boy scouts slogan, "be prepared". You weren't prepared for the date both in terms of budget and outfit. Hopefully you've learnt from your mistakes.

JOACHINpedro:

Reminding me of my past mistake is uncool bro

Modified
A year ago I decided to give relationship a chance. I had this girl that I liked. She's slim, a sapio and ebony skin(My type of woman) but f-up be say we dy the same exco organization. Me that doesn't like having any sexual activity with female colleagues. But mehn I needed to know if I could still love again. I asked her out on Val's day last year but she couldn't make it(introvert stuff). Kept my cool, then days later she agreed to go on a date with me.
The dday reached, I was so excited but nervous cus na only urgent 2k I budgeted for the date.
Mistake I made was not going for a market survey in the restaurant we'll be staying.
In evening time, I no too like wear belt those days cus my trousers are always fitted but I forget say school stress don suck my flesh finish.
Put on my dope jeans and nice long sleeve top. I swear, the trouser gave sign of being loose but I neglected it. Then I Called her, she came and off we went to our super date
When we arrived, I took her to the food showcase. We started checking what we wanted to eat. Na rice varieties full there so we had limited options and the tag read below;
White rice and tomato stew 250/plate without
Chicken laps 950
One small tablet of Meat 300
Snail meat 200

I ordered for stew rice and snail meat. As them put am for two plates, I ask for the price.
This waitress come press things for calculator and told me Three thousand six hundred Naira!!!
Like 3600!
I chuckled and begin reason this girl say we no buy the whole food, na only two plates. Make she recheck am. She did and gave me the same amount.
I officially vexed
I brought my phone did the calculation and showed her the amount base on their tag.
"#900 worth of food is what I bought madam.!"

She come shock me, "Oga sorry o,this tag is not being used, the white rice and stew you bought is #500each and the snail meat is worth #800 per meat

We never buy drink o, I come begin dy para small small. But I remember say na me Bleep up. I just look babe and tried not to make her feel bad as I noticed say she wan pay from her wallet.
I tell the waitress to give us vegetable stew. Yea as expected it was cheaper (350, then I ordered egg instead of meat.)
We got our faruz drink and headed to sit on a round table.
Me don loose vibe, I con regret why I ask of this date. She was the one doing most of the talking sha and I did the listening. After everything night show and na to go.
I can't explain why but the lose trouser became worst.when we were walking home I was always sliding back for her not to notice, I just dy behind her dy drag my trouser. At some point I'll catch up with her and talk small, If I noticed say trouser wan go down I go bend down like something hit me for leg. Na so we do am reach where she dy go. I come use speed run go my guy house. My guy laugh me that night and asked " At least hope say you chop kiss?".
I hissed and told him that na person wey him mind dy at rest dy find kiss to chop.

Same to you bukatyne. Hope you and your husband are enjoying the Easter break.

bukatyne:
Happy Easter.

bukatyne:
Ok, you proved me right.

I wanted to teach and my prayers got answered

So you understand the point of my post to the OP.

*Grudgingly* yes

bukatyne:
Because you wanted to teach or because you were posted to a school?

Obviously because I was posted.

bukatyne:
How would I know how they use 'queen' kwanu?

When I am not in their minds nor understand the context.

okay oh

I read enough to know that you're not man enough to draw the line when it comes to third parties and your relationship.

PERVENCHE:
*NOTE
With all due respect, I have changed names and some too familiar details about myself out of respect for my wife to be. I know she likes to catch cruise on nairaland.

My name is Friday (of course not my real name) I am from the middle-belt. So please save your tribalism with all those una Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa insults. I met Grace(my wife to be) few years ago. It was love at 1st sight. She was everything and is still everything I had hoped a woman should be. There is this crass about her that makes her effortlessly better than any lady around her. My type in the true sense of the word. Tall, busty, curvy, sassy, elegant, personable and above all, she has a graceful soul. From the 1st date to this day, I still pinch my self like.. What in God's green earth is a beauty like her doing with a shrek like me.

But then, true perfection is always a utopia. Grace in all her graceful demeanour and aura, has a flaw; Indecision! More so, blind trust seems to be her albatross. (I swear she can even take Lai Muhammad's word to the bank) Though, I still love her; flaws and all. Her complete or should I say blind trust for me and Abigail became one of the reasons Abigail(her younger sister) has become an unending chapter in our relationship. Even though the blame of what happened squarely falls on me.

Abigail just shy off 20, is too savvy for her age. Not the outright outstanding beauty like my Grace. What ever little she lacks in beauty, she more than makes up for it in her mentality. For she is truly a smart and an intelligent girl. Just five years younger than Grace. One who expect them at least to be close and be like Asaba and Onisha but then...they are the direct opposite of each other. While Grace is the introverted shy person, Abigail is quite the extrovert and likes to make friends for Africa. It is only fair to believe their formative time in secondary school played a part in their output towards life. Grace likes to conform like most day school students. Abigail on the other hand, is the boarding school nightmare all parents hope not to experience: the deviant.

Through the 1st years we dated, Abigail was in secondary school and was never in the picture. For some odd or strange reason, Grace was not ready to fully commit. Not that I blame her or something. At 23, Most girls her age are like Alice in wonderland; they crush on celebrities and Chase childhood dreams and fantasies. The vile ones, if truth be told...tend to live out their hoė phase. At 28, I was already grounded to know what I wanted and it was Grace and marriage. Sometimes, you do all you can do but then life has a way of throwing in a curveball. More over, "No be say because I wan chop egg I go begin dey worship chicken." Sensing her shakara, I pulled the hand brakes on us and walked out of the relationship.

***2 years later***
Fortunately or unfortunately after letting go, Grace became incensed and started to want me back. I hardly do any social media at this point. Pride won't let her call me, so there was no way to send coded messages on whatsapp status to me. Being the introvert that she is and the all trusting graceful Grace, she started to send Abigil over to my place to bridge the gap. In just over two years, Abigail had changed and developed into a sexy hippie bohemian. Not that I fancy her in any erotic way or something. It's just that in our contemporary naija society where mostly everyone conforms, it is hard not to notice a bohemian.

Knowing I would do no better than Grace even with a million dollars and in a hundred years of searching, I mended fences with Grace and our relationship became stronger than ever. Over time, Abigail became a bridge between us. At first, Grace would send her over to run errands for her. After a while, it became a second nature for her to come over and fidget with my electronics. Courtesy demands you be nice to your in-laws to be and so I was nice to Abigail.

Abigail's posturing over time made it difficult for me to say no to her especially during them Nengi and Laycon days in the house. She was a fan of big brother lockdown. And would always ask for my keys to watch the silly show for she was equally as silly to be gushing over that vanity fair. Grace seems not have any issues with her coming over and I also did not for I was hardly home and God knows the sub was kinda wasting away.

There are some things in life that are not planned. They just happen! My boss at work then tested positive for Covid and we were all asked to quarantine at home. Grace still had to go to work while Abigail was always free because of the ASSU strike. Suddenly, I started to be alone with Abigail. She would come over "for big brother" around 9am and leave around 7pm in time to beat her curfew at home. It was awkward staying all day with Abigail. Grace too predictable, only comes over on Sunday. For some strange reasons, on Sundays, Abigail will never show up.

There were times, and I am sure it could just be my imagination, that she enjoyed teasing me. She would come dressed like a sister Mary Amaka from home but after a while, she would take her bath and transform into a Kardashian. Wearing skimpy cloths and heavy make-up. I tried to give her her space. I was in quarantine and therefore, had practically no where to go. I am basically the type that don't flock with co-workers and I hardly keep any friends except for Grace. I am not one to be neighbourly with my neighbours so I was stuck with Abigail all day. Humans are social animals and we tend to gravitate towards each other especially when we are alone with someone. Gradually, she won me over and I started to watch the big brother show with her. While she was rooting for Nengi after her Erica left, I was simply for Neo for he had my height. And the bond between us grew. God knows I had no vile motives and evil intentions. It is hard not to enjoy Abigail's company for she is a smart, gleeful and witty girl. While I do all the talking with Grace, Abigail on the other hand does all the talking with me and it was a welcome change.

*** D Day ***
It became obvious Abigail was not telling the truth at home. She would pick their calls and tell them she was in her female friend's house. And in the spirit of our new found big brother bond. We kept the secret. On this faithful day, it had rained all day and Nepa had struck and the plug in my generator was no good. The rain had brought with it a cool breeze and some magical thunder. Seemingly, we could not watch our show so I took a blanket because of the cold and buried my attention on my PC (laptop) re-watching season 5 of the game of thrones.

Naively, Abigail joined me and entered the blanket with me. I use the word 'naive' because I honestly do not want to qualify her as a minx. And I know she does not see me as a Justine Bieber of a crystal ball for her to be drooling at. While in that warm blanket watching the movies in such compromising position, One thing led to another and alot of that one thing opened up her Pandora's box and I... I ate the most forbidden fruit there ever was. There is no telling how wonderful making love to her was at the heat of the moment and there's no shame in the world that equates to the shame that immediately dwell and still dwells in my soul shortly after even to this day. There's a lot to blame our mistake and betrayal on. Could it just be the moment? the weather? the chemistry? the devil? (laughs) my opportunistic habit? Her feminine warmth in such close proximity? my placing a hand on her thigh and meeting no resistance? My foggy mind and grown erection? Her racing and panting heart? Her feisty zeal and deviant nature? My libido? Hers? My morals? Buhari? Herdsmen? IPOB? Sunday Igbahor? Dstv and big brother? NEPA? Game of thrones? Was she after all really a minx? In all fairness, she is just a little naive girl that does not deserve to be pilloried for my betrayal. As the adult, I should have known better and acted a lot better.

Climbing down from our lustful climax, we both knew immediately what we had done, the gravity and the implications it could have on not just us, but grace and the whole family. In the most contrite way possible, we apologized to ourselves and vowed never to repeat it again. We felt it would be better not to tell Grace or anyone and we agreed Abigail would stop coming over. I started to avoid Abigail at all cost. I did not just release cum after my despicable act with Abigail, I released every thing good in me and every form of happiness. I felt much less of a man and wished I had died as a child or better still was aborted.

I hardly could face Grace after. The more I try to ghost her, the more she held on tightly. It became awkward visiting their family house for I was not comfortable around them trusting and accepting me. Not for the fear that they would find out...just my conscience eating me up. I stayed away and made peace with my gross mistake. For over six to seven months. I did my penance and nothing happened with Abigail. I know I am in a better place now to make sane decisions about cheating. To give something back to Grace, I have vowed never to sleep with anyone till die. We know how cheating amongst married men is common these days. I no call Adekule Gold name oh!

Me and Grace are set to marry on the 17th of this April. The thing is...Abigail is her chief bridesmaid and preparation demands I see her most times. She still has a look in her eyes...dunno what to make of it. A look of blackmail? Of you could still hit it if you want? We have unfinished business kinda look? You should be paying a bride price for two look? I die inside every time I see Grace happy she again got us back to talking terms because of the wedding. Ignorance is truly bliss.

I have doubts going through with this wedding. Folks may laugh and say I chickened out because of the inflation and money, others might blame Grace. It may ruin Grace for ever. How do I do this knowing Abigail will always be family?

bukatyne:
You probably have never taught before

I actually I have. NYSC

bukatyne:
Queen and baby girl in my posts are attitudes or 'hats' a woman possesses in relation to their men.

So you're saying the way you use the word queen, has nothing to do with the way people on SM use the word queen? For example, "treat your woman like a queen"

Long and short of the story, ladies, try to know your man and what works best on him. Also, don't be manipulative, it is disgusting.

that is nice.

AsherAmari:
Angry with who?

Well, this is my experience with my ex.

If he's angry with me, i stay far and let him be until he's calm.

If he's angry with someone else, I just rub his back and playfully stroke His goaty to cheer him up and it worked. He also told me he liked the way I calmed him down whenever he was angry.

The bolded, you are unknowingly painting yourself as a manipulative woman. That aside, it is best to know what works for your man.

PrimadonnaO:
If he's justifiably angry, I'll apologise... then give him space... then apologise again when the tension has abated.

If it's a debatable matter, omo I'll turn the table against him, and he'll end up apologising to me.

If it's a misunderstanding, I'll try my best to clarify my position, and understand where he's coming from... and hopefully we'll apologise to each other.

Anything else, we'll "break up" till further notice.

true

BronzeMajik:
It depends on why he's angry...

you basically pamper him

gudvibz:
Immediately I apologize and beg, cajole and keep begging and apologizing. Then serve him food of his choice ( not his choice all the time sha), later I still ask what annoyed him we talk it out.

at least you understand your husband

Monogamy:
At that moment, best thing is to let your husband be. When he's calm down , it's not even necessary to talk about the matter that got him angry in the first place, something different and funny..

After all the anger no fit boil yam