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Alao046:
Christainity !! The only religion that has a dead god that was hanged like a pig on a cross.

No wonder nobody take u guys serious. If i were to practice a religion, it would be Islam, Judaism or Hinduism, at least those one's are still a little bit serious. Christainity is a joke of another level entirely. Human beings kill your god! Nawa ooh

Hmmm... Friend, you seem to be more familiar with the common false Christianity that's all over. True Christianity is very scarce. Jesus himself said the way to Life is Narrow, and Only few will find it. If you need to know true Christianity, get a bible, read especially the new testament. Not many professing christians are seeking to live the standard there.

And it's not really a religion: but a Lifestyle. The life of living the way Jesus lived, and escaping the judgment of God coming upon the whole world because of Sin in the process.

Was why I stopped going to common church organizations for the past six years now, cos soon realized small and great Pastors and Church founders are more after Money and Popularity, not necessarily Jesus. They put christian whitewash on it, the Bible calls it the sheep's clothing. As in, Wolves in sheep's clothing.

Nonetheless, God is giving everyone time to Repent of dead religions of men whether it's Christianity or not.

If it's not rooted in Repentance of sins, and Obedience to Jesus according to the new testament, God considers it dead, leading to eternal destruction.

Matt.24.5 - For MANY will come in My name, saying, "I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. (**they will claim that Jesus is truly Christ, yet they are fakes: now, that's deep deception)

Rev.21.8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Peace...

Dtruthspeaker:
They know!

But when God rejects a person, eg Ishmael, Saul, Solomon they become even more stupid.

Hmmm... That reminds me of Prophet Balaam and Judas too.

May God help us all and give us grace as we Humbly learn from their mistakes...

kenzysmith:
God bless u sir your advise lift my spirti

Amen... May we get grace from God to Overcome Permanently.

kenzysmith:
Since I was born I love been alone, when am in boarding house am always alone, even at the university I am always alone at my work am always alone and is given me low self esteem I can't miss up with others . I can't stage 4mins convo with the opposite sex am so sigh as a man.
Pls people look me weird pls my only friend at d moment is Nairaland I need prayers
Suicide always come across my mind due to set backs all my mates are ahead.
My father told me am the least among my mates

I guess we have many things in common, friend. But I had some major trouble that made me start seeking, trusting and obeying Jesus. Don't let that offend you, friend. Cos I was like that: deeply rooted in the world system.

Let Him set you free from people's opinions, including your Dad's and other close relatives' Opinions. You will still love and respect them, but their opinions in some personal areas of yours will be as Dung (poo) to you. Because God's Opinions about you would only matter to you.

Lonely? Well, to be Frank, it's safer to be lonely in this world: I've had friends and I have been lonely. People don't really Love themselves... That's why they gossip and backbite, and are sometimes curious to know your problems to fuel their next gossip about you. They want to Impress you and belittle you, just as we want to do to them too. True friends are dangerously scarce: I mean the David and Jonathan type. Not the common Judas and Jesus type, or the Cain and Abel type.

That's the way friend: to seek Jesus and obey Him.

About girls, well, I was terribly shy in those days (in sec. School). I made it look like I was "proofing levels". But I was enslaved by lusts, Pornography and Dirty thoughts inside. I try to talk reasonably and normally these days. God saved me from all that; but trying to become a professional in that is like looking for Greater Trouble. As more and more people are getting destroyed through fornication/adultery and other sexual sins as common.

Matt.11.28 - COME to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will GIVE YOU REST.
Matt.11.29 - Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

God bless

Yes, Jesus said He's the ONLY way to eternal life in God.
John.14.5 - Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, and HOW can we know the way?"

John.14.6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father EXCEPT through Me.

The idea that we all serve THE SAME God is from FALSE men and great speakers around or on the media, NOT from God. There are many gods: Money, possessions, humans, pleasures, Ego, pastors, bible knowledge, miracles, celebrities, positions, etc. Now, many of us just put Bible, Church and other religious whitewash to make it look like we All are really serving the same God.

For He said:

Matt.6.24 - "No one can serve TWO MASTERS; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You CANNOT serve God and mammon.

However, just one word to the Atheists: do you really think your Life, everything you see around are all Coincidence, right? Or you believe science covers it all. Well, the brain behind science is still highly GIFTED MEN, gifted by God (like you, they don't know it's from God). And that's why Science, psychology, etc., are TERRIBLY limited. Or let them try to create Life without using Human contents. Or END Death, so that they try not Dying themselves. They can't even save the least animals, let alone Humans.

Nothing doing... Only God, the Creator can do that. He's made himself known through His Son Jesus. But we may choose to DISBELIEF HIM.

Nonetheless, I must warn you (if you don't mind), Jesus is coming back for judgment, no longer for mercy. He's giving the world time to Repent and obey Him to escape the damnation of eternal hellfire because of Sin.

John.16.8 - And when He (the Holy Spirit) has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

John.16.9 - of sin, because they DO NOT BELIEVE in Me (Jesus);

Peace...

Datboredberry:
I'm an ATHEIST... I'll misconstrue the words of your fictional God as I please...

Really... God just spoke to me through the verse you quoted in your previous post without you knowing: he speaks through anything (even donkeys) or anyone.
Well, you choose to disbelief, but you believe at least there's some sense in His words like some psychologist do with a little religious whitewash.

Just one question: do you really think your Life, everything you see around are all Coincidence, right? Or you believe science covers it all. Well, the brain behind science is still highly GIFTED MEN, gifted by God (like you, they don't know it's from God. And that's why Science and psychology, etc are Terribly limited. Or let them try to create Life without using Human contents. Or END Death, so that they try not Dying themselves. They can't even save the least animals, let alone Humans.

Nothing doing... Only God, the Creator can do that. He's made himself known through His Son Jesus. But we may choose to DISBELIEF HIM.

Sorry sister, but I must warn you (if you don't mind), Jesus is coming back for judgment, no longer for mercy. He's giving the world time to Repent and obey Him to escape the damnation of eternal hellfire because of Sin.

John.16.8 - And when He (the Holy Spirit) has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

John.16.9 - of sin, because they DO NOT BELIEVE in Me (Jesus);


Peace...

Datboredberry

Christian's Christ said:

"Cast not your pearls before swine lest they trample on then then charge after you...
And
The heart of man is desperately wicked..."

Good. I hadn't ever related it strongly with this topic before; although, Jesus was talking about judging and correcting others truthfully without Hypocrisy in one's heart in that context (Matt. 7:6).

Kobojunkie:
Again, You seem to be confused about where Jesus Christ said your humility as one of His own should lie. He made it clear it is meant for God and God alone. When your become like a child, it is so you can be trained by Him. When you humble yourself, it is before God, and not before men.

Try not go go around thinking people are to bend towards you in any of this. Jesus Christ did not come to teach us to be humble or nice to men. Instead, He called His followers to Trust in and Obey Him and Him alone... this regardless of what men chose to think of them.

God declared cursed is a man who puts his trust in another man.. Jeremiah 17vs 5. You are not called by God to humble yourself before men. Instead God calls you to humble yourself before Him and Him alone.

Ok...

Take care

Kobojunkie:
You seem to be confused about where Jesus Christ said your humility as one of His own should lie. He made it clear it is meant for God and God alone. When your become like a child, it is so you can be trained by Him. When you humble yourself, it is before God, and not before men.

Try not go go around thinking people are to bend towards you in any of this. Jesus Christ did not come to teach us to be humble or nice to men. Instead, He called His followers to Trust in and Obey Him and Him alone... this regardless of what men chose to think of them.

If you wish to know about Humbling oneself before God and Men (people), see Philippians chapter 2 and Romans chapter 12; that's if you want.

All right...

Take care.

sammy329:
https://community.vanguardngr.com/forum/topics/why-i-beat-female-lecturer-to-coma-unilorin-400l-student-speaks

Previous thread
https://www.nairaland.com/6848909/400l-unilorin-microbiology-student-beat

Now, that's a big shame about what you did, Friend. Maybe you went there the wrong time: some are offended about something before going for help. But to beat up an elderly person who is even a lecturer is not nice in any case. Just because you can; and don't say you got angry, if she had been a bodybuilder with muscle bulging over, would you still get angry? I trust you might not even wish to come too close.

We shouldn't create more problems when trying to solve a problem. We sometimes end up creating Greater trouble. Hence, the latter situation gets worse than the former.

Rom.12.21 - Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

God bless

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My mistake then.
I took his claim suggesting men required it to mean it was somehow allowed in those cases.

Hello... It's nice to hear you admit your mistake. I even had to recheck the post to see if there's any misuse of words. Don't think I'm angry that's why I didn't reply your last quote. I stop talking when I realize that I would only be arguing endlessly and fruitlessly: arguing is useless. It's a sin of self justification (a person that's sure won't argue).

However, I am a little concerned about you. You seem to have lots of knowledge, but it hasn't changed your heart for Christ. To start with, I'll encourage you to start seeking grace to practice what's written in Matthew chapters 5, 6, and 7, and other part of the new testament thereafter.

Matt.18.3 - And he said: "I tell you the truth, UNLESS YOU CHANGE and become like little children, you will NEVER enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matt.18.4 - Therefore, whoever HUMBLES himself like THIS CHILD is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Let's remember the devil knows the Bible much more...

Now, if the above sounds like a piece of garbage to you, please kindly ignore. Few others and I myself may need to pick one or two things from it.

May God help us to be real Doers of the Word, not just good Hearers and Speakers of it.

Mylordmygod1:
Hello nairalanders.

I will not call the name of my church for some reasons, but my church is that type that dosn't have a parmanent pastor.

So, we always have a new pastor almost every four or five years.

Recently, a new pastor was transfered to us, this my new pastor is very good when it comes to preaching the word of God, and things that helps in the development of a church.. infact, so many good things have been going 'on' in my church since his arrival.

But the problem is that, he is that kind of pastor with swag, He goes to beer parlour to drink, he can go to gathering to play draft, (imaging the kind of people u see in a beer parlour of draft gathering), and because of this things he does, some people (expecially other churches) use it against us the members..

People we be like, una pastor wey dey drink beer.. And we don't even know how we can deffend him or ourself when we are being attacked by these people..

We are currently loosing members on a daily basis, and i'm not happy with it.

Someone who should not be in such position:

Titus.1.7 - For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money,

If you can't change Him, he will change you and others...

Matt.15.14 - Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch."

AND
2Thess.3.6 - But WE COMMAND YOU, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you WITHDRAW from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us.

And we got to be changed too... Ours may not be wine, but worse private sins. Let's remove the Logs in own eyes first.

God bless

MaxInDHouse:
The funny thing about you is stylishly arguing then trying to run away with your "Goodbye"
But let me enlighten you.

The Catholic Church initiated the TRINITY doctrines it's not written anywhere in the Bible most of the Churches around you carried the trinity doctrines from the Catholics (not in the Bible) yet they are protesting against Catholic.

Well i believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and i was baptized as one of JWs in the name of the father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. So i believe all of that but the same Bible that says:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was John 1:1

Also say:

And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Exodus 7:1

Then Apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet coming in the manner of Moses:

And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.,For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever, he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear, that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Act 3:20-23

The highlighted in red is not my own words but that of Apostle Peter, so if you ignore that and start arguing over divinity is your beliefs founded on what is written in the scriptures or a dogma that's generally acceptable to other churches?

Well i am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES we don't follow popular dogmas rather we stick to what is written in the scriptures.
Jesus is God's only begotten Son and we know what that means! John 3:16

May you have PEACE!

Ok... Sorry for stylishly arguing as you claimed.

Take care

HedwigesMaduro:
The both of you are saying the same thing in different forms.

Thank you... The thing is we don't have the same spirit. So, even though we have somewhat similar Opinion, we can't still agree. Cos the flesh is flesh, and the spirit is spirit.

May God help us all...

MaxInDHouse:
I believe what is written in the scriptures!
May you have PEACE!

Ok friend, please forget it, we can't achieve anything trying to argue. But I think I should write this before I stop (to avoid argument, a sin). I wish there's nothing Dangerous about your group. But how can I show you now, for you to even test a little, as you're heavily involved in your group, and you can only use their lense to view things, not the gift of God, the Holy Spirit.

My concern is you said you were a Muslim. Oh, both are rooted in deception but the latter is better in the sense that you wouldn't claim you're a Christian in any case if you had remained there. But now you believe you are a Christian when you don't even believe Jesus is One with God (as in Father, Son and the Holy Spirit). (John 10:30, John 14:8-12, John 1)

Can I Imagine a true christian equalizing Moses and Jesus (the ONLY Begotten Son of God, John 3:16) because of Exodus 7:1 (God told Moses, "I have made you as God to Pharaoh...". Hence, Moses now equals the ONLY Begotten Son of God, Jesus?

Friend, I'm done. I can't force you. But please, I must warn you (if you think I've got some sense), please don't make mortal men or a group your standard: make the Holy Spirit: hear from Him first before you settle for a church or group.

Rom.8.14 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. (Not by men or group first of all).

I'm done, friend. If I don't write you again, it's not because I'm offended, but trying not to argue or impose myself on you. I've done my part: I leave the rest with God alone.

Goodbye.

MaxInDHouse:
Well Jesus is God just as Moses is God! Exodus 7:1
It's the Almighty God who made both of them like God that's why Moses said the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will send another prophet just like himself to establish a New Covenant with Israel and whoever fails to accept the teachings of that prophet will be cut off from the living. Deuteronomy 18:15-19

Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet foretold by Moses. Act 3:22

So the Almighty God made both Moses and Jesus God in the sense that whatever both of them wish will happen immediately, that's why both of them were like Gods in the midst of men.

Both Moses and Jesus clearly stated that the Almighty God sent them as messengers so they are both sent by the same Almighty God.

However i really enjoyed the few moments with you, each person is entitled to his own opinion, you believe there is no popular church that's spirit filled but i believe otherwise it's OK as long as you believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of God! John 3:16

May you have PEACE!

Oh, I see... ( at the bolded).

Anyway...

Take care.

MaxInDHouse:
Well my interest is to present Jesus' group to you {Matthew 12:46-50} individually they're not popular so hardly do people know them facially except those living in their neighbourhood {Matthew 13:55} but as a group they are shaking the world. Matthew 5:13-16
They're no part of any nation so they don't support during times of war! John 17:14
They love their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} but they love their members just as Jesus loves them so people always say they have love among themselves! John 13:34-35
They have trained all their members the be zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word! Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8
But despite being humble and gentle in every human society the world hate and vilify them! John 15:19
I was a Muslim when i found them but today i am proudly one of them Jehovah's Witnesses!

May you have PEACE!

Ok... But I wouldn't like to stay near your group because of your teachings or interpretations of scriptures (especially about the diety of Jesus as God) that is not from the Holy Spirit, but of Man (from the founder, I guess). The Holy spirit and the new testament is my guide to know.

1John.2.27 - But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

I don't have a local church for now, but I know some good examples of Jesus' Disciples online that I respect, because their lives and teachings are Purely Scriptural and Spiritual. They're not perfect, but christlike: men like Paul and others. And they don't believe that they're the Only true church or group. You may check some of them if you want (note, I'm not a member of any of them): Gbile Akanni, Zac Poonen, (late) Jan Boshoof and warningthepeople (YouTube).

It's just my conviction, no problem if don't agree.

All right... Thanks for your time.

sonmvayina:
You should have known..he/she is not well.

Just ignore....move on

Hmmm...

May God help us.

Kobojunkie:
Again.... There are no such things as true churches since none of them out there is the one built by Jesus Christ who said He will build His own church.

All your churches are instead built atop of the doctrines and traditions of men which Jesus Christ warned are abominations where the Truth of God is concerned - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 and Mark 7 vs 1 -23

Ok...

Take care

MaxInDHouse:
I'm interested in the highlighted!

Please what do think about this statement Jesus made:

You are the salt of the earth, but if the salt loses its strength, how will its saltiness be restored? It is no longer usable for anything except to be thrown outside to be trampled on by men. “You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain. People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house. Likewise, let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens! Matthew 5:13-16

How can a group of imperfect humans be the light that the whole world can see shining brightly if it's not a popular group? Isaiah 2:2

Friend, please I don't argue, and you're already getting me wrong. But you know, Jesus said the way to Life is Narrow, and ONLY FEW will find it.

So, I'm not here to win arguments, or try to prove that I'm right and others are wrong. I hardly learn from people because people are more group/church-minded. The thing is there is no group going to heaven as a whole (even a true group). It's individual: one by one.

Even in Jesus group, there was a Judas. He could not be saved just by being part of a perfect group like that of Jesus himself. Alas, today we have more of Judases as group/church founders (going after money and honour) than Jesus type (focusing on heavenly riches): what to expect from their members.

We should be focusing more on our private lives, in Obedience to Jesus according to the new testament.

All right... Thanks for talking to me.

Kobojunkie:
There are no such things as true churches since none of them out there is the one built by Jesus Christ who said He will build His own church.

All your churches are instead built atop of the doctrines and traditions of men which Jesus Christ warned are abominations where the Truth of God is concerned - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 and Mark 7 vs 1 -23

Sister, I've told you, but you wouldn't listen. I'm sorry if I've sounded rude or unclear. But be sure I'm not here for a group/church or myself. Let me try to say it another way this One Last time: cos I don't argue or try to trouble others.

Here, what Jesus told "a great religious leader"...

John.3.3 - Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he CANNOT SEE the kingdom of God."

John.3.6 - That which is born of the flesh IS flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit IS spirit.

John.3.7 - DO NOT marvel that I said to you, "You must be born again.'

Thanks

MaxInDHouse:
First of all let me commend your courage and boldness to stand against all odds regarding what the churches of Christendom are doing.
But then don't you think one is denying Jesus when you say you can't find a group practicing what he taught in your neighbourhood?
Remember Jesus never promised us that we will have perfect members rather it's as a group that imperfect humans will exhibit the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit.
For instance the nine qualities of the spirit are LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} no imperfect human can have these qualities complete, but within the gathering where God's Holy Spirit is WORKING all these qualities will reflect in the way the imperfect humans worship God. Matthew 5:13-16

Well i know a group practicing everything just as Jesus taught, members are imperfect just like anyone else but they have gathered millions and teaching themselves how to live in accordance with scriptural principles, they have eradicated racism and politics from the hearts of all their members so that none of them thinks of raising weapons against anyone neither do they enroll for military services! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

In their midst material possessions means nothing so they don't pay nor receive tithes, they don't even include prosperity in their prayers all what they pray for is their needs! Matthew 6:11

I was a Muslim before i met them!

Friend, except if it's not a Popular group, I must have been there or met them at least. God knows what's true, but I guess true churches here are small and unknown. And it's not about doing All that or Perfection, but loving God and having the attitude of Christ in general. I do hope I find one when I relocate again, if God wants.

MaxInDHouse:
So have you found a group of people practicing what you're saying?

Are you sure you are not expecting me to find something perfect? No, no one is perfect untill Jesus comes back. 1 John 3:2

Anyway, no. The ones I found are online. The kind of leader I respect is one of Paul type of life after Jesus. You can check Zac Poonen, a similar person like him in Nigeria is bro Gbile Akanni. There will be several others here but not well-known.

Those men are not perfect but Christlike. A quick test is check their attitude to Money and Popularity. And they hardly take titles cos like Jesus, they are mere servants to the people of God.

If you find one of such please link me if possible. I've stopped going to church for over 6 years now to avoid Self-deception and common church-deception.

However, like I heard bro Zac said in a sermon, let me say it the way I understand:

"If you find any of our linked churches (branches), And you realize the leaders there are after money, honour of men, etc. Please, get out that church, and look for another church (even if it's not linked to our church) that has a CHRISTLIKE leader leading People to God's kingdom not Earthly things."

From experience, not many great pastors common around can say that. Once you're a member, you must join them anywhere you go, whether the church is dead or alive: and joining another church would seem like you're no longer in Christ. Cos to them, they're the ONLY true church: now, what a deception. Imagine Paul telling Peter such about the local churches they planted.

Kobojunkie:
Again... The New Covenant isn't about what you support or don't support. It is God's Law as given to all by Jesus Christ.

first go read up and learn of God's previous Law, the Old Covenant - Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy - , where God Himself designed, and defined tithing to know where Tithing , the concept, come from and also how God specified it ought to work. Then come back and read through the New Covenant- Matthew. Mark, Luke and John - to then see how God's own version of tithing remains a part of the Old and not the New.

Don't worry about me.. worry instead that what you believe does not even align with what the one you call God says to you.

All right.

Take care

Kobojunkie:
Unlearn the lies you have ignorantly gobbled up from listening to the doctrines and traditions of men. Open your heart and mind to God's Truth anew and this by hearing the Word of God, Jesus Christ, as He spoke even 2000 years ago.

Thanks.

Kobojunkie:
Yes, run away from God's Truth !

I don't mean to insult you, but I must confess, I have my Doubt if you're a christian: I mean, you don't sound like a true follower of Jesus (just my opinion, you don't have to agree); although, you know the Bible fairly well, I guess (remember the devil knows it more than us all).

Please, you might consider a little what I say, if you think I've got a bit of sense; but if not, kindly ignore.

All right.

Kobojunkie:
The New Covenant isn't about what you support or don't support. It is God's Law as given to all by Jesus Christ.

first go read up and learn of God's previous Law, the Old Covenant - Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy - , where God Himself designed, and defined tithing to know where Tithing , the concept, come from and also how God specified it ought to work. Then come back and read through the New Covenant- Matthew. Mark, Luke and John - to then see how God's own version of tithing remains a part of the Old and not the New.

Okay...

Goodbye

Kobojunkie:
Again , Jesus Christ never said obey my apostles or Paul. Instead His instructions to you were that you obey His teachings and His commandments to you.. Matthew 7 vs 24 - 29..
He made this fervently clear in all of His teachings - John 15 vs 14 that it is what He says that you should do.

Okay... I see we can't possibly understand ourselves as you are not seeing what I've been trying to show you from scriptures, even on the thread about Tithing which appears we have similar Opinion too.

Anyway, thanks for talking to me.

Goodbye.

Kobojunkie:
Op, Jesus Christ didn't teach tithing since Tithing structure was built by God specifically for the clans of Israel. Read the book of Numbers to learn of this.

Jesus Christ instead commanded His followers to give directly to the poor. So, if you are paying tithe or giving offering to someone who has more than you, no matter what your excuse may be, you are not doing what Jesus Christ commands in that case.

This post shows you didn't get the message.

If you want, you may consider the title again.

Kobojunkie:
Again, Op, Jesus Christ didn't teach tithing since Tithing structure was built by God specifically for the clans of Israel. Read the book of Numbers to learn of this.

Jesus Christ instead commanded His followers to give directly to the poor. So, if you are paying tithe or giving offering to someone who has more than you, no matter what your excuse may be, you are not doing what Jesus Christ commands in that case.

You still don't get the message... Note there is a comma after Giving.

I don't support tithing: it's Old covenant.

Kobojunkie:
Again , Jesus Christ never said obey my apostles or Paul. Instead His instructions to you were that you obey His teachings and His commandments to you.. Matthew 7 vs 24 - 29. :-
He made this fervently clear in all of His teachings - John 15 vs 14 that it is what He says that you should do.

Friend, you may stop quoting me if you want to argue: you sound argumentative. Not that I know all but I've stopped arguing long time ago. It doesn't help.

Paul, Peter, prophets of old and the present are representatives of Jesus, they speak God's word (not their own) to be obeyed by others who want to please God.

Jesus said:

Luke.10.16 - He who HEARS you hears Me, he who Rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me."

And Paul said:

2Thess.3.14 - And if anyone DOES NOT OBEY OUR (***we apostles) word in this epistle, note that person and DO NOT keep company with him, that he may be ashamed.

Phil.2.12 - Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have ALWAYS OBEYED, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Like Jesus, Paul even said Follow Me (as I follow Christ).

1Cor.4.16 - Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

1Cor.11.1 - Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

And:

Heb.13.7 - Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and IMITATE their faith.

If we are truly of Jesus, we should be a able to say ALL that TOO. I stopped Following many great, well-known Pastors and preachers because I couldn't see them Following the example, that Example of Paul. They might have great gifts, Bible knowledge and all, but when it comes to their attitudes to MONEY AND POPULARITY, they're not like Jesus and Men like Paul. I know few great ones like that online, though: Zac Poonen, bro Gbile Akanni, late Jan boshoof, warningthepeople (youtube), etc.

No problem if you disagree. I've tried to use scriptures for my own convictions. Be free to believe what you want. I don't argue.

Thanks.

Kobojunkie:
Op, Jesus Christ didn't teach tithing since Tithing structure was built by God specifically for the clans of Israel. Read the book of Numbers to learn of this.

Jesus Christ instead commanded His followers to give directly to the poor. So, if you are paying tithe or giving offering to someone who has more than you, no matter what your excuse may be, you are not doing what Jesus Christ commands in that case.

You might need to read the post all over. The summary is Jesus preached Cheerful giving, and tithing in the new covenant is the teaching of men.