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Boys Night Out thread and you guys keep engaging the ladies directly here. To what end?

This had better be the last trailer till the movie is released.

Why is this thread on the dull side.

I'm amazed some of the guys here do not know by now why women will want to date someone they feel no physical attraction for.

pickabeau1:
lol.. u guys are conspiracists

How does this soften up people

They mean the same thing

Watch the video (granted, its a parody) I posted earlier and get a glimpse of how warped things can get.

pickabeau1:
Fireman because some women became too

For me words evolve

What I am saying humans will still find words to describe those same conditions

Plus sized will still have negative connotations to some

That's my point

Its an unending battle

CBC: Timbuktou

The evolution of words is not the issue it is the particular pandering to certain interests and sensitivities that is the focus.

pickabeau1:
And u still don't get my point

After plus sized it will be some things else

Humans need descriptors

In this case what drives the need for descriptors isn't the want for better identification or labelling but a pandering to the so-called sensitivities and emotions of certain people. They assigned new words to things that were hitherto neutral in order to cover up or douse any so-called feelings of hurt for the people involved, in some cases it is done to make these things more acceptable and normal. Do you know these days in the Western media its is considered somewhat sexist to refer to a fireman as that, the preferred term is fire fighter - this is in order not to offend any women. Fat now is plus sized - an accommodation for fat people. A man is either cis-gendered or transgendered - an accommodation for trannies. It goes on and on all in the name of political correctness and in the process simplicity is thrown out through the window.

Timbuktou:
Political correctness will end western civilisation. . I'm always having arguments with my civilised friends in the west.
The other day I had an argument about the word "fat" being offensive. Never mind that this word was perfectly normal years ago. Now plus sized or big is normal, a decade from now plus sized and big will be the new offensive. Dem go change to something like "extra" . The west is continually softening people. Sadly, like TV noted, it's spreading worldwide.
When defending your opinion is considered violence, you know the Lord is fastening sandal buckles and Gabriel is tuning his trumpet.

I'm with you in arriving at that conclusion. The West keeps making accommodations for these kinds of absurdities and in the process people - especially men and boys - become enfeebled and emasculated. Under this new arrangement emotions are now made paramount at the cost of common sense and logic, nobody should be made to feel bad and so all kinds of social conventions, like the "redefinition" of the word fat that you mentioned, are promulgated. What is worse is that here in Naija with our copy copy attitude we'll gradually start adopting these things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM

This video probably deserves a thread of its own but I think I'll just leave it here. Enjoy!

Regarding Feminized men

It may really be a combination of several factors that brings this about. In single mom arrangements or homes where both parents are present but the father has relegated the bulk of parenting responsibilities to the wife, the boys/children will very likely be raised to be emasculated or "betasized". It may not be because of hate on the woman's part but the fact that women are incapable of providing that balancing influence that only a positive or grounded father can give. The boys will learn to defer to feminine ideals by default. Of course this situation is not helped by the gynocentric barrage supplied by the media and society at large.

5minsmadness:
Why are there so many "feminised" males on nairaland though. Is it so in real life?

It's bad everywhere; real life, nairaland, mainstream media, everywhere. Too many men who go out of their way to appease women at the expense of their own dignity, it's sad to watch.

Just five minutes ago before I logged on here I was trying to watch a tv show (The Newsroom season 3) but I had to stop in disgust - all the male characters who were supposedly reasonable men were absolute simps or buffoons. I come online and see all kinds of excuses men make for women and I begin to wonder if there is any hope at all. Everywhere you turn there is an emasculated man singing the same song.

overhypedsteve:
British petroleum was fined 18billion dollars in Japan

Why you are lying this early in the morning?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seVdI6FGjk0

I'm amazed at where you guys source your optimism from. Right now the enabling legislative frame work that many believe will go a long way in tackling the present power crisis is nowhere to be seen, nobody is even talking about it. This is something that can be addressed now and which will have a clear effect. Nigeria has enough resources at the moment to meet our energy needs the old fashioned way, i.e, non-renewables like gas, coal, etc and we still haven't gotten things right yet folks here have high hopes for energy alternatives that are intermittent and to a certain degree experimental, how come?

Another article written by a rather ecstatic reporter.

In other words, Nigeria could easily install around 1,000 GW of solar generation – equivalent to 40 times the current peak power demand (about 25 GW) – using just 0.5 per cent of its land. In addition, Nigeria can produce over 100 GW from wind power

Nigeria can easily install? Easily? Really? Why has Nigeria not easily addressed the challenges present in the current model of power generation and transmission?

gsalvatore:
Thread for WUSSIES...

As a man you are not suppose to show any sign of weakness. Nobody said it was easy....digesting the content of this thread is as good as messing up your psyche.


its simple...

'' STANDING ON YOUR OWN TWO FEET, LIVING BY YOU CODE OF HONOR AND DUTY, AN BEING A ROCK FOR THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU.''

Word!

Many men do not realise the danger that they are lured into when words like the following are directed at them "Its OK to show weakness every now and then" "You have nothing to prove" etc. Time was when I myself would have fallen for this type of thinking. I mean just look at those words; from outside appearances they are comforting and soothing, we are told to free ourselves from the "pressure", "just be yourselves".

If only things worked that way.

As men we are eternally bound by the burden of performance. The pressure doesn't stop whether in public or private, business or personal relationships - it doesn't stop. You must always strive to put your best foot forward, you must always strive to deliver, you must always demonstrate high value. This means you should be a man on a mission, a man about his means. Where you fail to do this the same people who tell you it's OK to display moments of shortcomings, lapses or weakness will judge you harshly. This is not to say that one will never fail, but that when it does happen you reveal it only on a need to know basis. Always be the rock!

terrible business!

Its only busy bodies and self-appointed social justice warriors that will condemn what they don't understand. Sanusi should pay them no mind here.

Seal Team 6 Naija. Thumbs up!

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The reason why these threads "degenerate" to this level is because people are now aware that these kinds of threads are created not to proffer solutions to the problems of women but to make the woman feel special as a victim. If any other demographic or group came out to cry how difficult things are for them in the country they would be told to suck it up and dismissed. With all the hardship that women experience in this country they still somehow manage to outlive the men - that should give an indication who is really the hardest hit.

Isn't this another thread that perpetuates the victim-hood mentality in women.

"Things are much harder for us.
Nobody appreciates us.
Waaah waaaah waaah"

Cry me a river. As though things are any easier for others.

bukatyne:
I started this thread, remember even though I have been MIA



They are doing so because women have been told over time that men are superior because of STEM amongst others. I have read that on NL severally.

Again, as some posters said here, more women are getting educated so they are pushing for more women in STEM so that there are naturally more STEM professionals.

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Moot point; we also want to see more boys as house helps, sales boys, sex slaves etc.

This is not a moot point; in fact it speaks to the heart of this matter. So far this push only concerns itself with the visible and therefore “desirable” spectrum of male dominated spheres/fields and this is where its duplicitous nature is revealed. The spheres that attract this ideology are the glamorous ones like Upper Management, Politics (top positions), and STEM.

Those fields, some of which I mentioned in my post above, like the military and construction are very much male dominated and have cultural barriers that kept women away but there is hardly any push to get more women into them because they are less visible to our equalists proponents. By less visible I mean that the level of drudgery or risk associated with performing them outweigh the glam that attracts the equalists. Should these fields become less strenuous or risky tomorrow or somehow more glamorous we will start hearing calls to get more women into them just like its being done in STEM but when that does happen the same things we witness in STEM will happen all over again - women will involve themselves with it only on the basis that it serves them, once this is accomplished they will bail out.

bukatyne:
Maybe there is a quest for parity because women have been told over the years that men are superior because they are different.

Even the tone of this thread at one point was that there was 'soft' STEM because women were more in those areas and there was 'strong' STEM.

The earlier we appreciate everyone's differences without some set thinking they are superior, the better for everyone of us.

AT one point, sumptuous women were seen as the deal and women were fed to be fat.

Today, women are told slim is superior and we have the statistics to show the number of women suffering from anorexia and other eating disorders

I hope we are not back to the "its all men's fault" and ignoring the role nature has in this.

Gender parity here is a futile course and those who are pushing for it are doing so not because STEM as a body of knowledge stands to gain anything in particular if more women got in it but because of the unhealthy competition between the sexes that their ideology prescribes.

Wouldn't you like to see more women in, if not out rightly dominating, not just STEM but in other fields too like the (combatant roles in the) military, female dominance in vocations like mining, auto-mobile repair (mechanics), fire fighting and construction? These are also areas that society has oppressed or conditioned women to shy away from, right? Let the full impact of this ideology come to the fore and we'll see if society is any better or stronger for it.

sexybaby22:
And what ecactly is your point?

He should not have gotten himself into that situation in the first place.

Rex123:
That Dude is the real MVP!
Learn your place in people's life and act accordingly!
Many people are beautiful wrapped box of sh.it!
You have to stick out for yourself!

Hehehe

MVP? Really? Even though he is now finally able to stick it to his GF and her daughter he is, what, $40K? $80K poorer for playing the role of an ATM all these years.

Leyqute:
It's really disheartening to read the comments on this thread. This actually means that the average Nigerians is lazy, insecure and probably has an IQ of less than 60.

The move by NCC is a good one as the competition between the telecoms company is more pronounced nowadays. Removal of the "data floor price" will definitely make data subscription competition more intense, hence cheaper plans -which is favorable for the masses. NCC also says it's willing to impose it again if things don't turn out as they should.

In my opinion, this is good news. I don't know why most people will jump to unintelligent conclusions and utter stupid things. Most of the first and second pages of this thread are filled with disjointed comments and prejudiced rantings that begs the understanding of the subject matter.

If we as Nigerians can't be civilized and sensible then there's nothing the government can do to change the nation for the better.

1 kobo.

You got that right. The kind of thinking on show here is pathetic. A great deal of the commenters here don't know what they are saying.

bodee:
yea, the NCC should have used taxation and not price floor. Just like what you said, price floor strengthens the super companies against the thriving ones and we subscribers we still be at the receiving end. This negates healthy competition.

What are you people talking about?

How does taxation help reduce the cost of services on the customer end?

Are the telcos not currently taxed? What makes you think if you increase their taxes thereby reducing their margins they won't transfer that increase back to the customer?

Mindfulness:
You haven't answered my question.

You mean these ones?

Do you know how much money countries have spent to encourage girls into STEM?

No. Whatever amount they are spending has so far achieved marginal or in many cases negative growth.

Well, men also want families but do not face these challenges, why is that so?

TV has already supplied the answer; the responsibility of child birth falls largely on the woman, this is different on the man for obvious reasons.

Those following this thread will notice how the discussion takes on lesser and lesser the tone of victimhood and oppression. The realisation should spread that gender disparity is a normal feature of life, men will dominate certain fields and women will do so in others. The numbers and percentages will always be in a flux so the quest for parity is ultimately a snipe hunt.

Mindfulness:
I can't admit anything i have never denied.



It is a problem as there is a shortage of skills in these fields in several countries. Since biology is NOT THE ONLY factor behind the disparity, it is only logical to increase the numbers by tackling the environmental factors. Now, the aim is not to have a 50-50 distribution of males and females but to have more females in such fields by narrowing down the gap to some extent.



We are getting there.

Sure, men and women should be given fair and equal opportunities in education but treating the skills shortage in STEM mainly as a gender issue is only going to run into more problems down the road.

From a cost benefit perspective when you consider all the money, resources and effort expended in order to encourage girls - many of whom we agree are naturally disinclined, into STEM and compare that with those who actually make the choice (due to true passion) to remain in the field doubts arise as to if this is the most effective route to address the skills shortage issue.

Because a great number of women – even those in STEM, have the desire to start families and raise children there will be challenges on their part to put in the same amount of time for their vocation as their male counterparts and this may lead to compromises in the quality of work being put out. This is already playing out in some areas.

You want to solve a skills shortage problem? Tackle everyone without making this a gender problem, results will be far more reaching this way.

Mindfulness:
You make me want to hit my head against a wall. Patience, do not abandon me please. Let me not give up on this boy. Focus on his potential, focus on his potential.

Look:

You asked:

Is the reason for a gender disparity in STEM completely cultural with no natural or biological basis?

I answered:

No.

A no means that the gender disparity is NOT COMPLETELY cultural and it appears that THERE IS a biological component.

Then I said:

I have NEVER denied the possibility of a biological basis and I have NOT INDIRECTLY but DIRECTLY stated that genes play an important role.


Now explain to me where you see a contradiction between the answer and the sentence above (bold).

Now I see clearly. You admit to the possibility of a biological bias in gender vocational choices. Progress!!!

In that case the gender disparity in STEM should not be seen as a problem - it will always be no matter the number of cultural adjustments that are made. Tell that to the members of the equalist ideology who are hell bent on "fixing" the problem. This has been the thrust of all my posts on this subject.

Are we in agreement?

Kai, madam Mindfulness

Shooting all over the place yet missing your mark.

You were asked: Is the reason for a gender disparity in STEM completely cultural with no natural or biological basis? To which you answered a resounding NO.

Mindfulness:
The answer to this question is NO!.

Now you say :

I have NEVER denied the possibility of a biological basis and I have NOT INDIRECTLY but DIRECTLY stated that genes play an important role

Are these answers from different people?

Mindfulness:
I have no obligations toward any group of people on or off NL when discussing such topics.



The answer to this question is NO!

Gender differences are ALWAYS the result of, BOTH, natural and environmental factors.


The human being is neither the mere "product" of his genes nor the mere "product" of his socialization.

Like you already said, there is a variety of factors that shapes a human being. How and to what extent these factors account for differences is what scientists have been arguing about for decades now and still have not found a clear, indisputable, answer.

There we have it folks. Another display of faulty logic.


This inquiry is very specific, could there be a natural basis for the under-representation of women in STEM. It is one of those cases that requires a binary answer; yes or no.

You quickly deny the possibility of a biological basis but then indirectly admit to it later on (line in bold). It is either that nature has no influence whatsoever or it does. Now if nature does have an influence no amount of cultural modification will produce the same results as that of nature's. Meaning that in this case no amount of incentivization and repackaging will make women take to STEM the same way men do, the gender disparity will always remain. You would have done well for yourself by sticking to your guns completely - the obvious problem with this route is that you will be forever playing the ostrich and closing your eyes to the evidential truths that science is discovering in this regard.

"Gender differences are ALWAYS the result of, BOTH, natural and environmental factors"

Really? I would have left you and your faulty logic but I had to respond to this.

What influence did the environment/culture/nurture have that I was born male? What influence did the environment/culture/nurture have that I am broad chested and have narrow hips unlike that of a lady's See where I'm going with this?