₦airaland Forum

Mrfeel:
My friend I wasn't born yesterday, I know the story,
I brought up that story cause u afonjas claim UN has no power whatsoever on a sovereign nation like Nigeria, but they collected bakassi from Nigeria go read the full story, I know how the whole of Nigeria where insulting Obasanjo and calling him a fool and coward for giving up on bakassi, constitutionally bakassi is still part of Nigeria they haven't removed bakassi from Nigeria,

You are still on this, did you know Bakassi would've been part of Nigeria today if Nigeria didn't accept to the court invitation and there's nothing the ICJ or any country can do about it and that was why OBJ was insulted for agreeing to going to court when Cameroon had a tighter defense with proofs and that he would've simply ignored and nothing would happen, which of course is true.

Since you claim you knew about the case, tell us how it started

Mrfeel:
I know what I posted there, u just can't comprehend, simple

You knew what you posted by telling us about Bakassi and twisting everything and comparing Biafra to it, you even said Nigeria didn't want to give Bakassi to Cameroon so the ICJ took it from Nigeria and gave it to Cameroon. Where did you read that and who taught you that?
I would've lectured you about when Cameroon started reasserting her sovereignty over Bakassi around the era of Abacha and all that happened before Cameroon had to take Nigeria to the ICJ when OBJ became president, so go and read about it

Mrfeel:
There is nothing fake in what I posted what's the fake story?

Go read your post again then Google the points you raised to read more about them before coming and saying things you know nothing about and conjuring tales by moonlight for us.

Those points I countered in your post should be your point of emphasis

Mrfeel:
Yes I know, there are criteria recognized by the International court of justice, for people seeking self determination, and Biafra have those criteria, it's written all over our history how we have been treated and killed and driven from other parts of Nigeria from time to time, continues marginalizing, the civil war, the pogrom attacks in the North, the arewa threats on igbo's killings of harmless ipob demonstrators, etc all these things are criteria's that will qualify us for self determination if our case is presented well to the international court of just, which I know Nnamdi KANU is working towards that, if we can't get it through the court, then there's another way, , befriending other countries and getting them to recognize Biafra so that when we eventually call for succession like ojukwu did in the past those countries that recognize us will be there to assist us fight the war by supplying us with weapons, fighter jets, humanitarian aid, that's the reason Nnamdi KANU was in Israel, Japan, and thats the reason he met the EU countries ojukwu didn't plan it this way ojukwu lost that war cause Biafra lacked the recognition from other countries to support it

So you knew but why were you conjuring up fake stories in your post I quoted or you think nobody knew what and how things happened? You think you can come here and twist history and won't be caught.

As for the rest you conjured again, I give up on your case

PaChukwudi44:
Is it by force to be president? We no want!! Tambuwal and Kwankwaso carry go

Let me hear you call others slaves for voting a northerner again, you Tambuwalated and later Atikulated with disregard for any Igbo candidate in this year's election, 2023 is still far and you are already Tambuwalating and Kwankwasolating with no regard for any Igbo candidate yet again.
You can see why most Southerners have no regard for people like you, even the people of the SS will never vote anyone from the SE given the ticket from either the PDP or APC and which serious party would even give the SE the ticket when they know that the people of the SE would never vote their own

If this is about 'deve' most communities in the Niger Delta love to be given before any project is sited in their communities then those in Anambra should not involve themselves in such.
Anambra isn't known for such, anyway we will need to hear from the company to know what the real problem is.

Mrfeel:
By the international court of justice, the same Court of justice that forced Nigeria to give bakassi peninsula to Cameroon , when Cameroon took the case to them, Nigeria was never going to allow Cameroon take bakassi peninsula but international court of justice collected it and gave it to Cameroon even though 90% of the people living there are Nigerians

Most of you don't even understand things before commenting, the two cases are different.

Cameroon claimed Bakassi because it was part of German kamerun, the area was tilted into Nigeria after Germany was defeated in WW1 and the colony was handed over to Britain and France to administer, Cameroon had all the historic proofs and that was why it won the case.

Biafra on this other hand was never acquired or tilted into Nigeria, it was a part of Nigeria and any movement out of Nigeria would be seen as a secession even by the ICJ.

wingmanIII:
Putting the cart before the horse. Infantile thought!
They DO NOT have to leave any part of Nigeria until Biafra is created, and the government of Nigeria asks them to leave. Today many southern Sudanese live in Sudan despite their acrimonious separation.

......then what is still holding the Biafra to be declared yet?

Countries have their own local laws that are not binding on other countries, Nigeria had a Ghana-must-go episode in the early'80s and may decide on a Biafra-must-go if the need arises after you've declared Biafra, you'd be declared illegal immigrants with no papers to back you staying in Nigeria, it must not follow Sudanese law.

Stingman:
While you continue to rape their region serving ONLY the north and SW, leaving them to rot.

I had asked that you mention one FG project in the region, but you hypocrite diverted that.

Do you people have any conscious at all?

Hmm, you're now getting emotional, let's talk on Biafra matter next time

The message is still the same, stop blackmailing Nigerians for holding you back from getting Biafra, you've been told to go and get it and what other Nigerians don't understand is that you still come back and accuse them of holding you back

gidgiddy:
All this even makes the case for Biafra stronger. So the question is which referendum made you a Nigerian? Where did we meet and agree to be Nigerians? If we never agreed to be Nigerians then it means that Nigeria and its constitution is a fraud and the need for a referendum is urgent. Since Nigeria was created by external forces, the British, who lumped us all together in 1914. Time has come for all to decide if it is still what they all want, via referendum

That you weren't there in person( not born then), you had your representatives that agreed to be part of the southern protectorate and later part of Nigeria, your representatives were there when the constitution was being drafted and made law which they agreed to.
The constitution of the US today wasn't drafted by those alive today and it is still binding on them and if they don't like a part of it, they can change it , just an example

Stingman:
Most it be the PMs? Did you mention the PMs in your post? These countries are aware of Biafra as there are offices in those countries. Yorubas too were asked to leave SS, so why are you fooling around with this lame comment?

Lol, I guess they are diplomatic offices too recognized by those countries, you guys can kill one with laughter

gidgiddy:
People cannot leave from Nigeria to Nigeria, they can only leave from Nigeria to Biafra. If every Igbo man decided to go back home to the East today, they would still be in Nigeria. So what would be the point of that? But if there is a Biafra waiting for them where they can manage themselves then that makes sense

You tell a man to go home but hide the keys to his house, that's nonsense

.... so what's still keeping the Biafra waiting or are we all to wait till forever? Remember Ojukwu declared his without waiting for anyone, he didn't even wait till all Biafrans returned before declaring

Stingman:
You are right...Just like Israel, Spain, UK, Germany, Switzerland, Canada and US are knowing..

Till today, you have never fantasized about Nigeria. I don't know why!

Oh my bad, you mean Kanu held high level meetings with their PMs and defense ministers? This Kanu is so powerful.
Leave Nigeria and go for your Biafra but stop blackmailing Nigerians for holding you back is the message, Nigerians had told Biafrans to leave but you refused only to come back to accuse them of holding you back.

Stingman:
You are just floating with no substance. He can't face them so he is taking the case where the international community will take a look. Nigeria cannot operate in a vacuum. Can you tell while your president is facing the international community?..because Nigeria is not a pariah nation!

When you guys are serious, the whole world would know, for now let's allow Nnamdi Kanu to continue receiving the alerts from donations from around the world because he knows it can dry up at any time

gidgiddy:
Referendum is a constitutional means that has been used to split up:

Eritrea from Ethiopia
South Sudan from Sudan
East Timor from Indonesia

Referendum is what IPOB wants

I know you are somebody who repeats same things as it comes into your mind even after you've been educated about it.
How many times have I lectured you about those three examples you brought up?

Eritrea and South Sudan were not recognized nations earlier and their home countries didn't have referendum nor secession in their laws, it took years of war, famine and destruction before the UN stepped in and agreed to a referendum.

East Timor was an independent country colonised by the Portuguese and was not a part of Indonesia at any time, the Dutch colonised Indonesia. A day after East Timor was granted independence from Portugal, Indonesia invaded and annexed the young nation that was already recognized by the UN and this led to a referendum.

I don't want to lecture you on this again.

gidgiddy:
We left in 1967, you Nigerians came to fight for 3 years to bring us back into "one Nigeria"

So we all know that if we leave again, you Nigerians will come to fight again like your fathers did in 1967

So this time, we move after Biafra is actualise.

We all know that you people are just waiting for who's investment you will steal

2019 is different from 1967, you've been told to leave in peace and this time no killings, what are you waiting for or you just enjoy the online fantasizing over a country that would be better than Dubai, Singapore and Hong Kong put together?
When you are serious about getting a Biafra, not only Nigerians but the whole world would know

gidgiddy:
Really? And what constitutional steps did Lugard take to create Nigeria? Or is it one set of rules for Nigerians and another for Biafrans?

... and who refused the de-amalgamation when it was suggested by Ahmadu Bello?
You mean to say when a constitution has already been passed into law by people including "some Biafrans", you now want it to be thrown into the trash can just like that?

Stingman:
How does you brain function? [b]How can they go when you beg and wail for python dance and all security chiefs in the region are from the north? [/b]Continue feigning ignorance to deceive gullible people like yourself.

So with all the grandstanding of Nnamdi Kanu and IPOB they can't resist the security chiefs from the north, obviously you guys ain't serious yet.

Stingman:
Again you need to know how this works. When did any pro-Biafran group MASSOB and co, visit the north to beg? Why did they send a group of northern governors to Abia state? The groups were ready to provide buses to ferry them home. Even at that many of them are already relocaating to the east, but you can't know that while hiding in your room in Oshogbo.

Even your fellow IPOBians know you're not being truthful to yourself

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gidgiddy:
There are more Igbos than the entire population of Djibouti, Mauritius, Equatorial Guinea, Lesotho, Guinea Bissau, Gabon, Botswana, Gambia, Namibia, Eritrea, Mauritania, Central African Republic and Liberia all put together!

Igbos are long overdue for their own country!

I agree with the last paragraph but you have been told to leave so what's still the problem?

Stingman:
If you are not painfully slow. you would have seen that Biafra and its flags were raised in their land and not in Kano or Lagos before you cowardly begged, wailed and cried for python dance...like you did in 60s to bring them back!

Who is holding you back from going to hoist your Biafran flag in Biafra? Python fell on them because they had not declared Biafra yet, declare the Biafra now and hoist your flag with no disturbances

Stingman:
Can you list why you WANT Igbos to remain in your un working alliance, where ONLY your regions gain while their region suffers?

While at it please mention one federal government investment in the entire region...and state why the region, though with the smallest land mass, has the worse federal roads in the country. Please do bring your foolish claim of the region not asking their governors..as I have mentioned federal roads.

Why going round and round the topic, you've been told to leave the rest of Nigeria and go form your Biafra but you still go insisting others are holding you back, you'd be surprised that if you make the move of leaving many Nigerians would give you their full support including the FG.
Stop blackmailing other Nigerians for holding you back, rather blame yourselves for refusing to leave when asked to

Stingman:
Big liar! If the Igbos there refuse to leave how did that affect the desire for self governance as enshrine in UN laws? Why send python dance if you believe it was an online republic? Continue saving your face...

If Nigeria was working....why not continue to fantasize about it everyday?

You see your evil life? You want everybody to swim and drown with you as you lack the intellect to chart any future.

Everyone knew who went begging the northern elders that they don't want to leave maybe because they ain't interested but those of you that wanted Biafra, why didn't you leave? Remember you had a grace period of three months to move

Stingman:
Why are you pained? If you want to relocate to Chad or Niger and change your name to be able to get a job or become a president...having an autonomous nation in the geographic area called Nigeria will not harm you in any way. Or will it?

Why haven't you left Nigeria for him and others since you've been told to leave and go get your Biafra?

Afamed:
Seccesionists Are truly propagandists. Nnnamdi Kanu leads delegates to UNGA. Is it as a member state or as at what capacity? Truly these people are brain dead.

I tell you and they talk with much confidence as if the Biafra is already here.

fairfora:
Ghengheeeen!!! My people would be so ashamed of themselves after they see igbos leave the forceful marriage called Nigeria. I learnt on channels news recently that the EU,UK and the US have accepted their plea for a referendum in the region . Once the UN also acceds to this, they'd leave bloodlessly. I'm in support of this. My people should keep hubnubing with the fulani herdsmen all in the name of brotherhood. I cant wait to dance skelewu to this break up. The shameless Tinubu who had since lost his relevance in the south west would understand better what it means to be ashamed. We learnt our own osinbajo has now been relegated to a toothless bulldog by the fulani cabals. I urge my brother to just leave their govt for them before they stained his name.

Indeed, lies and propaganda and if we ask you to give us a link to that now what would you do?

Stingman:
Haha...Fear don catch am.

Once they are gone you will still have huge population. You can marry 10 wives as usual.

Can't you see that the country is not working?

APC government has spent N27 trillion already and there is nothing to show for it.

Even if you give Nigeria 10 trillion dollars...you will still have abandoned Ajaokuta steel mills, abandoned National stadium, un-working refineries, poor federal roads everywhere. Nigeria is not working and will never work.

The north said they have no plans...the same thing they said when the south wanted independence. You better start planning now.

The north had told you to leave and go get your referendum and Biafra yet you refused, why, are you scared of leaving Nigeria for Nigerians or maybe your Biafra is just an online republic you come around to fantasize about?

Mrfeel:
Calling for succession is easy it can happen any day just like ojukwu called for it in 1967, but getting the recognition is the most important thing, and that's what nnamdi KANU is doing, ojukwu lost that war cause biafra lacked the recognition for other foreign countries to fully support them, by supplying them with weapons, fighter jets humanitarian aid etc

Somaliland has separated from Somalia for yrs but it's still struggling for recognition,
we biafrans have engaged in a civil war with Nigeria before and million lost their lives in that war,
at the peak of ipob agitation Nigeria will be forced to give us a referendum to avoid what happened in 1967 -1970, and if Nigeria refuses and another civil war breakout , all these countries nnamdi KANU has presented our case to at the EU will support us, nnamdi KANUs plan is to get as many country leaders as he can to recognize biafra for future support if war breakout

Forced by who if I may ask?
The rest of what you wrote are just figment of your imagination

Mrfeel:
No, they can look into our case for self determination, if we are qualified under the criteria's set by the UN under the international court of Justice, Nigeria will be forced to give us a referendum to vote ourselves out of Nigeria, biafrans will vote whether to remain in Nigeria or separate from Nigeria

Why deceiving yourself with that, do you think that even the UN supports the breaking up of nations? When the UN security council members are the world superpowers and most do not have just a referendum for secession in their constitutions, US, China, France, Russia comes to mind.

The only time the UN CAN look into such a case is after years of unending war and strife, famine, killing and destruction of lifes for years and decades, then it CAN decide to look into such case, Eritrea and South Sudan comes to mind.

In Africa today, do you think it is only IPOB that is talking about secession, have you read about countries like Senegal, Cameroon, Angola, Tanzania etc with secessionist agitators and why the UN hasn't granted them or maybe you think that of IPOB Biafra is rather special.

candidtalk:
Correct talk bro. Indeed nothing has changed today and history still bears out the fact Yorubas are law-abiding, consistently fair, tolerant and principled people. Yet our Igbo brothers prefer to save their worst venom for us as if they have not historically wronged us rather than the other way round as they go around the world claiming is the case. Furthermore generation after generation prefer to wallow in ignorance rather than educate and enlighten themselves about the truth.

They say "the truth shall set you free" but when a people, by commission or omission, prefer to remain oblivious of the truth then why won't scammers like Oha-mumu-dike Kanu and Emma Powerless come to con them while their bank balance grows with donation from jobless and cash-strapped IPOB youth over a lost cause? IPOB leadership deliberate agitating for Biafra [b]the wrong way to prolong the 'struggle' they know is doomed but they want to keep profiting from. [/b]

That sums it all, you understand the game perfectly

candidtalk:
Correct. Igbos can be very dishonest revisionists with how they choose to fraudulently manipulate history so they appear victims of injustice from others. Lengthy read below but anyone can read the bolded parts to grab the historical gist of the matter and one of the many acts of greed and misdeed of the Igbos that will eventually go on to cause so much problem for Nigeria. Igbos have also coveted Lagos and wanted her declared "no mans land". With Yorubas resisting this through the voice of its AG Party and threatening to secede if Lagos loses her identity as a SW State.

Noteworthy that, unlike lawless Igbos, the AG asked for a secession clause to be included in the Nigerian constitution to aid their legal breakaway. They did not just go ahead to illegally declare their own Nation as Igbos did with Biafra. The Igbo NCNC rejected the attempt of the Yoruba AG Party to legally enshrine a secession clause in our constitution myopically not realising they would be victim of this act of greed in future with their own fondness of double standard exposed with how the the AG and law-abiding Yorubas accepted they could not secede legally. When Igbos who had worked to prevent others seceding then decided they wish to secede, they would not accept the lack of constitutional backing to do this, as the Yorubas did, and would then go on to declare Biafra. What was Nigeria to do then? Does this not shows Igbos as an innately lawless people who wish to accept the position of the law when it suits them and reject it when it does not rather than be committed to it always as the Yorubas are?

It is glaring acts of hypocrisy like that, and many like it, that still typifies the inane approach of Igbos today to issues. They know what must be done to gain Biafra yet Kanu and IPOB will continue disturbing Nigeria lawlessly while their legislators who can push for legal and constitutional backing for the creation of Biafra show they don't want to know and would prefer feeding fat as Nigerian legislators. Knowing this, Igbos would still put their "they won't let us go" blackmail at the doors of Yorubas without blaming their own worthless, deceptive and two-faced leaders.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War

IPOB would never teach her followers such history, it was an Igbo man that resisted the secession clause in the constitution (Zik), an Igbo man that signed the anti-secession decree into law after crushing Adaka Boroh who recently formed his Niger Delta republic(Ironsi).

Fast forward to the present, since two Igbo men refused anything secession in the constitution, why not get it added into the constitution in the right way and manner? If they ain't too sure, is it a crime to go study how other countries with referendum and secession in their constitution had it put there so that it can be evoked when needed like in Scotland, Québec, etc?

IPOB and IPOBians deceiving themselves only since 1900

MetaPhysical:
Where are his parents? Did they perish in python dance or were they rescued alongside Kanu?

You wan shake that table this early morning abi, you are on your own o