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No it isn't.

You can continue to misguide yourself that it actually is. Let me explain it to you like this.

When someone is an "islamist" or an extremist muslim. what does he do? mass murder, genocide (if he can) terror and all the evil he can think of. what does he get for blowing himself up? 72 virgins.

Now where did he get the inspiration to do or believe strongly in what he does?? the Qu'ran. . you can say he read it wrongly or misinterpret the text, but the key word here is potential Islam has the power to breed radicals that will do ungodly things in the name of god. No god, mighty and able enough needs a mortal to fight his battle for him!!!! You can imagine what the ignorant members of boko haram is up to

Jihad is a core message in Islam(whether you interpret it as defensive or offensive it still is a message to kill someone else)and hence cannot be a religion of peace!

Not even Christianity is a religion of peace. although they have modified it so much now that it is only defensive but it still encourages payback. Judaism? go to the westbank and you'll change your mind in one second that Judaism isn't a religion of peace.

You wana know which religion is a religion of peace??

Jainism

A radical Jainist or an extremist Jainist cannot kill a fly. He will walk looking down so he wont step on an ant. He will drink water with a sieve to prevent swallowing an insect. Slap him, spit on him, do whatever you want, he wont harm a living thing! That is the core message of Jainism.

Now that is a religion of peace. Not Islam.

lol.. that's a funny stereotype. but I don't think it is true

frosbel: and you still have the arrogance to attribute it to some random chance despite evidence to the contrary ?

Only pride can blind a man to reason !!

name 1..


lets see who d arrogant one is

and don't give me that cause and effect bullsh1t

UdembaBenjamin: A man dat waz born deaf and dum waz brout to a crusade, by his p'pl, during d prayers, pastors ask dem to bring him forward 4 prayers, immidiately d pastor led his hand on him, d man jump up and sout praise thy lord, nd after dat he testified in english language. But a wonder who tot him hw to speak english. Pls wot do u tink?

I guess u figured it out yourself. You dont need us to break down the obvious scam that is.


Funny thing is, We all know that one person that is cripple, def, blind, dumb and what have you. They always remain that way no matter how many crusades they attend.
Fishy? No?

you judge

you still have the balls to attribute it to god? even knowing that everything the Hubble can see is in the past. some as far back as a billion years in the past.

No hope then

Sirniyeh: Na wa for Nairalander atheists! Una no go kill person o. But let me narrate this report. Please permit me bcs i cant remember the detail.
During OBJ regime, the minister for International Affairs confessed on NTA live that there is this country (name forgotten) where they dont practice any single religion out of the world religions. According to him, he asked may be they dont believe in God. The president of the country replied that, "our belief is that what we do to other person is done to God, whether good or bad, and there is consequency for it".
The Minister confessed that the president comment on religiousity in naija, upon all naija is not peaceful.
My people, is this not a shame to all religionists for inability to chllenge their God on behalf of naija stability?
(if you remember the name of the country, pls remind me.)

that's probably Japan

Lord Babs: Impressive contributions. Really enjoying this. Albeit I'm not of much a science pupil in school, but a simple logic could save the course. If we say some 'self-existent' matter exist before creation and out of nothingness, then we are saying something can emerge from nothing, which could as well be the universe or the so-called 'Big-bang'! or any other thing. In my opinion, the idea of a self-existent entity imagined by some philosophers is just borne out of the idleness of the mind to think further and further. Besides, by virtue of the principle of universal causation, it will still be asked: why is the creator(god) not caused? Can't we as well as put that the universe is not caused?

The question: Is there any scientific theory that explains how something(a matter) can be created from nothingness?

SPOT ON!!! I couldn't have said it better myself

I just wish creationist can see this point of view. One thing they should realise is that we are only coming up with possible answers as to where the universe came from but they are very sure god did it and that's game, set, match.

For me I feel that's the easiest answer. If everyone thought like that we would have no advancement today. example, when they believed lighting was a force of god. Until someone (Benjamin Franklin) said hang on I don't think so Let me investigate further and see what I get.
Same with virus and bacteria causing illness. Usually believed to be the wrath of god until someone said hang on i think there is something more fundamental than that causing illness. Hence all our advancement in medicine came from kicking the "god" explanation out.

My suggestion is simple: extend that trend to the origin of the universe. Kick "god" out and let us all think, research and investigate. see what we get

With TB Joshua and his prophecies, Look at it like this


He can say whatever the fck he wants and asks the congregation to pray against it. Now two things can happen

1)The so called prophecy doesn't happen (response? our prayers have averted it)

2) The so called Prophecy does happen ( response? "wow! he did prophecy it. this man is amazing"


The problem is he can never be wrong. When people open their eyes to this obvious scam we will have time to refine other aspects of our lives and get the "prosperity" we all so crave for

wiegraf: Do they always release energy? The way I understand it, they usually cancel out. The little bit of matter that is excess is what makes up most of the observable universe, yes? No one really knows what dark matter/energy is, but is it related to antimatter?

These are all technicalities anyways. Bottom line is "nothing" in this universe is not really "nothing". Before big bang, nobody knows. I suppose if you tele-jazzed yourself to a place where big bangs spacetime expansion has not reached you may find true nothing, or do you create spacetime by simply being there? Pointless question, I know

Think of it like this. Blackholes have no space, time, or matter. It is basically a hole in our known space time dependent universe. So a universe before anything may actually be a blackhole.

Speaking of dark mater, it makes up over 70% of our observable universe. they know it is there (or probably a new entity to physics) beacause when they weigh the universe, it gives astronomically high numbers way more than all the particles that exist(all 10^118. Of them). Most of the universe is still a mystery and too vast/pointless for a "god" to make

Deep Sight: How on earth is "cause and effect" a false assertion? ? ? ? ? ? ? Is there no such thing as the law of cause and effect? Is every single event or phenomenon that is observed not preceded by a cause? Have YOU ever seen any uncaused thing in your life?



Is there anything that we know in science that does not come from what our brains observe?



On the contrary it is most apt: for if you say that there was anytime when the universe did not exist, then you will be faced with the conundrum of HOW, WHY, AND FROM WHAT did it spring into existence. The truth is that it is the atheist that thereby subscribes to voodooistic fantasy in seeking to deny the very obvious fact of causality.



No: because it is simple reasoning to see that for anything at all to exist, something or the other must be self existent as we know nothing comes from nothing.

Matter is not self existent as it is mutable: as such something immaterial must be self existent, thus removing the problem of the infinite regress.



I don't know what he means by the word zero here, but if he uses that word in its dictionary sense, then he was quite frankly high on the cheapest village ethanol while writing.



Da.mn! This, my friend, is nonsensical in the extreme. And far worse than the magic you folk accuse religionists of believing in.



People who use this as an argument are ignorant of the facts.

I'll go thru them one after the other. have been under the weather lately so haven't had the time or energy to look up NL.

The first problem you have made is reading my post as one part in another. It is important you read it as I have written it and not break it up into bite-size pieces to affirm your ideas.


1) cause and effect. I explained clearly why I believe this is a false assertion but you rather break it down to meaningless chunks. Again you are making the same mistake I clearly pointed out by asking me if I have ever seen something that happens without a cause?. Its just like creationist asking "well if evolution happened, why isn't it happening today"


2) exactly y you cant use your brain to try to understand the universe before it existed. you are actually saying the same thing as myself

3) Same problem with not reading my post until the end before making a comment because the reason for this claim is in my post as well. you seem to dodge the direct question of who created the creator when you tackled that section.

4a) your 4th point puts your "god" in problem, "nothing comes from nothing" think carefully about what you are trying to say here.
4b) *still saying the same thing in another way*


5) This part is very important because you accept not to know what he means by zero here. I have explained the idea of a flat universe on another post which is by the way the agreed model of our universe. Physicist agree that the total energy of a flat universe is zero. this simply means that all positive forces subtracted from all negative forces will give zero. Acceleration of the universe, energy contained in dark matter (which is what 70% or more of our universe is made of), Gravity and basically every manifestation of energy in the universe neatly cancels out. I really do advice you to read about this yourself and don't take my word for it. Read about the "boomerang project" carried out in Antarctica to prove that our universe is indeed flat.
so when you ask "why is there something rather than nothing" (or however you wana twist that question), Just remember that in quantum mechanics you can always have something from nothing. This is not magic or science fiction it is mathematically proven time after time. If you then don't believe the maths, you might as well get off your computer now cause maths brought you that too.


6)It is saddening that you term this nonsensical even when there is hard evidence for it, yet you believe in something with ABSOLUTELY no evidence for!!!!! so much for objectivity. For goodness sake!


7) I never used particles popping in and out of existence as evidence of anything. Again you break my post down and take them out of context.



when you have problems with your car, you go to the mechanic?
when you are ill, you go to your doctor
when you need legal aid, you go to a lawyer.

Professionals in science/technology are there for a reason. If you wana take what you want a drop what you don't want then be my guest. All i can say is that's no way for progress.


I just typed in google "boomerang project Antarctica" and this nasa website popped out
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2000/ast27apr_1/

have a look yourself before you term it magic or hogwash.

Again i've been down with a bad cold n will prolly not be on NL for bit. so I can hardly put up a decent reply. I guess this will do for now.

ijawkid: Poster remember that Gods view of time isn't commensurate with our's.....

If God for example decides to bring about d end in 6yrs time(which is 6000 yrs in d human point of view) what u gonna do??

We gotta wait until it does come....

But know this...::::::THE END MUST come

How do you know that?.. Psalms 90: 4 "For a thousand yeeres in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past: and as a watch in the night."

2 Peter 3:8 , "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

How do either of these verse give you a definitive proof that 1day for god = 1000years for us? Na wa oh! these church ppl no go kill me


You are right though, the end must come but I'm pretty sure it wont be like anything the bible tells us.

It is a shame that you need "god" to dictate how to be a good person

well, lets say we wont have a major comet hitting us anything soon, The Andromeda galaxy is heading directly on a collision course with our milky way galaxy. When that happens (which will prolly enter lots of millions years from now), our earth will be pulverised and cease to exist. That indeed will be the end of our earth/world


Everything else they tell you is hogwash

na wa oh. even confra don turn religion too

I will like to add to what you've said and will start off with the false assertion of "cause and effect" theists use to defend themselves.

Cause and effect is what our brain can observe in the world we have right in front of us and can only be used as such. Using cause and effect when the universe didn't exist is a mistake. Problem with that is while saying there must be a force behind creating our universe, we can also imply that there must be a force behind that force and another behind that and that string can extend to infinity (big problem).

One of the books by Professor Laurence Krauss "A universe from nothing", Explains how we have a "flat" universe and with that the total energy of a flat universe is zero. with zero total energy, we can easily see how d universe can pop into existence without any cause. Very similar to how particles in a proton pop in and out of existence so fast that we cannot see them but can prove that they pop in and out with mass change in the proton.

Very interesting topic to research further

wiegraf: Don't mistake me, I have no problem with you seeing me as gay. I fail to see how that is insulting. But yeah, I don't see myself as what is the stereotypical 'gay', by most standards I'd qualify as straight. But I'm cooler with bi, I like it more. Oops, why am I discussing this on this thread?

lol.. u got carried away. It happens

comedy comes in many forms .

10/10 for making me laugh Jupiter my black bum

[quote author=Okija_juju]Whats my picture doing there na?!!!

[/quote]LOL

cute

I can tolerate most of them to a certain extent. but what I can never swallow is them defending their "demigods" or so called men of god.

how brainwashed do people have to be before they realise that these guys are in it for the money and just that.

Freksy: Your response sounds like: I don't know, let us wait and see if it will happen again in the future.

Absolutely!!!!. thats the whole idea of evolution innit? No one can predict evolution. that's y it is random minute mutation that causes major changes over long periods of time.

If u want me to come here and say I know what chimpanzees will look like a million years from now then i'll be lying. we can make suggestions but nothing more

Freksy: Mr "sense maker", I have seen the sense you are making. Thump up! Please make more sense here:

Today, Gorillas (ancestral group) and Chimpanzees (intermediate group b/w Gorilla & man) are still in existence, what stops gorillas from evolving to chimpanzees and chimpanzees from evolving to humans (derived descendant group)?

Again, what prevents frogs (ancestral group ) from evolving to lizards (intermediate group b/w frogs & man) and lizards from evolving to humans (derived descendant group)?

Deep down within you or in your mind's eyes can you see any of these evolutionary transitions taking place today or in the future?

your question sounds like, why is a dog a dog and a wolf a wolf. i'm sure if you look deep down in the behaviour of these animals you'll find what you are looking for

I'm not sure what you are getting at here, no one is saying evolution has stopped. We just happen to meet it at this level. who knows what will happen a hundred thousand years from now?

well, like i've always said. Christians take from the bible what they want for every situation and take out what they dont want for every other situation and cloak it under "reading in the spirit". cck n bull

Logicbwoy: Life is too damn short to be obeying God.

The guy is a murderer (Noah's flood) a virgin rapist (Mary), a possessive spirit (hardening the heart of Pharoah) an a jealous spirit. All proven by the bible

omg!! i choked on my big mac

akthedream: I have nothing to gain from you on this thread since u never believed in life after death.No matter the comment i receive from religious people,i know it will be meaningful unlike u atheist and non believer of religion.You guys dont make sense to me just the same way i dont make sense to you.

you seem to look at other religious people as allies. Same problem Cyrex pointed out about Pascal's wager. Problem is, if you are wrong and they are right, then u're pretty much fcked!

But still you're willing to take the chance. Imagine a world with without critics. All we are doing is pointing out the obvious flaws in believing in a god. you can choose to think for yourself or think with your holy book.
So much for freewill

God is Flash Gordon in disguise

@ Ijawkid

So are you saying you cannot accept it or it cannot be true? cos there's a difference. if you cant accept it doesn't mean the truth will change u know?

ijawkid: So which or what is dat common ancestor??

And how did that our fore-father start??

Was it created or it also has its ancestors too??

Evolution has made u agree that we and apes are cousins....SMH!!!

If oyibo man now call u monkey u go vex.....

Balotteli was thrown a banana during this past euro 2012 competition and he went mad @ d fans.....

Whenever its time for any race to be called monkeys,we d blacks are d victims..

But d white people who founded d evolution theory wuld never call themselves that....

E dey vex me when black man believe in evolution............

Because na we d oyibo people go call ape....

Don't u get it??

Its very demeaning and absurd...

Why shuld we relegate our prestige to this level??

To d level of lower animals that are under our dominion...

I tire for ona o......

ok. lets do it this way. I'll take my time to attend to every point u raised

1) So which or what is dat common ancestor??
ANS: I did point out I haven't got the name off the top of my head. Not in the mood to research now and as soon as i do I will modify this post

2) And how did that our fore-father start??
ANS: the beginning is a tricky question as evolution is continuous from the lowest life forms to very complex beings like us over billions of years. So yea. they did have their own ancestor and that tree will be a long one

3) Was it created or it also has its ancestors too??
ANS: stop using that word, religion has put your mindset in the wrong start to understand evolution. See ANS 2 above

4) Evolution has made u agree that we and apes are cousins....SMH!!!
Response: it is not a thing to agree or disagree. if you share the same grand parents with someone what do you call them? a cousin. That's the line of reason behind that claim. Nothing to do with demeaning anyone because everyone white, black, brown, blue, pink still came from that ancestor

5)If oyibo man now call u monkey u go vex.....
Response: Racism is a complex nature of human behaviour. we only learning to suppress it as globalization continues. The reason they call a black person monkey is very different from what evolution is saying. I'm sure you can read about slavery and how they colonials viewed other tribes (not just Africans)

6)Balotteli was thrown a banana during this past euro 2012 competition and he went mad @ d fans.....
RESPONSE: Mario behaves like he is out of control sometimes. Love him or hate him he is only African by skin colour and that's it. Italian culture is very will imbibed in him. If a few local fans that have no exposure to the real world decided to do something stupid like that, then Mario has the right to be furious. again refer for No.5

7) Whenever its time for any race to be called monkeys,we d blacks are d victims..
RESPONSE: That isn't entirely true. Some tribes inside Borneo used to be called all sorts of names even one similar to Orangutan. If this is bothering you so much, why take it out on a fact that is Evolution? True, racism and science can be related in a way but that is under a totally different context than you are putting up

8 ) But d white people who founded d evolution theory wuld never call themselves that....
RESPONSE : Wrong! Read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins

9) E dey vex me when black man believe in evolution............
RESPONSE: That anger has a false basis. A pointless anger that wont do you any good, neither do the Africans any good to progress. You believe planes can fly, man can go into orbit, cars can hit 400kmph, doctors can cure malaria, television can transmit signal, your cell phone can help you talk at distances. All these are as a result of science at its best, researching , testing, modifying, testing, finalising and all that. There is something called the scientific method. All the things I have mentioned have gone through it and so has EVOLUTION. If you dont want to believe it or atleast read more about it with an open mind then be my guest


9) Because na we d oyibo people go call ape....
RESPONSE: not sure why this is pissing you off so much. i'm sure you've banged a white girl before lol. did you think about this ape thing when u were on it?

10) Don't u get it??
ANS: Funny enough, I do. But you have it muddled up so much mate. Sorry

11) Its very demeaning and absurd...
ANS: Yes! so is racism as a whole, so is discrimination, so is politics, so is pastors exploiting members, so is an Igbo man looking down on a Hausa, or Yoruba looking down on Igbo, or Hausa looking down on Yoruba, or in any other you want to rearrange those. So many things in the world we live in ain't right. focus on what you can do yourself to make a difference


12) Why shuld we relegate our prestige to this level??
ANS: People cried Heresy and said similar things to that when Galileo Galilei Proposed that the earth revolves around the sun and not the other way around. The catholic church put him under house arrest for the rest of his life and he died a miserable old man. It has nothing to do with putting our prestige in the bin. but rather our pride in the bin to realise that it may not be exactly how we thought it should be

13) To d level of lower animals that are under our dominion...
FUNNY RESPONSE: put you 1v1 in a cage with a chimpanzee and we'll know who can dominate who LOL
Serious response: It has nothing to do with putting anyone at any lower level. Remember the american civil war? The southerners never agreed to let slaves be free cos it was like them stooping low to a level of these lower human beings (that is Africans). "HOW CAN WE LIVE SIDE BY SIDE WITH THEM?" 4years and thousands of young Americans killed, the north won and the emancipation proclamation followed. Even your bible teaches against pride. Humble yourself so you may learn more.



if you need more clarity on any one in particular. Hola and I'm at your service

toba: Hahaha. I think i have an issue here. Some atheists on Nl tells us that we are indeed Apes i.e human beings. Are u aligning with these atheists or u simply believe we only have semblance or relation?

I'm sure anyone saying that means it in a different way. we are PRIMATES after all

we are only cousins. anyone that tells you we came from apes has no idea what he is talking about or is confused. We have a common ancestor. I cant remember off the top my head what that ancestor is called tho

I've just copied from that thread and put it here for ease.

"Two questions posed to me. I'll obviously take the easy one on first.

When are we gona find this life?. Well, we only just discovered that the earth revolves around the sun and not the other way around less than 400years ago. As science progresses, more answers will come.

Now to the big one about evolution. Since you have refused to go read.

Unicellular organisms doesn't have to jump into a multicellular one over night to prove evolution. A series of minor alterations occur over time as the system acquires new "attributes" and "traits" that eventually leads to a multicellular one. This can be thousands of years or more.

While we battle about this seemingly difficult question to grasp, we might as well go into a much simpler one that certainly proves Modern Human beings having a common ancestor with our ape cousins.


Now, from the fossil records and close examination of bone structure of our ancestors, Science was able to make a link between us and the great apes. However, less than twenty years ago this fact was proven beyond all reasonable doubt by Genetics.


Now we know that the genetic codes of great apes as well as humans have been sampled properly and viewed under different light. So, if we have a common ancestor with these apes, our DNA structure should confirm that by resembling that of the modern apes (chimps, gorilla and orangutan)

Under close examination, the Human Genome differs from these apes with two less chromosomes giving us 46. Instead of the 48 chromosomes other apes have (23 from each parent for humans and 24 for each parent for apes). This goes against everything evolution has suggested and threatens to discount the idea

We cant simply say we lost two as that wont make any sense since all information for us are pre-registered in there. So the explanation of this apparent loss of TWO chromosomes must be in the human genome somewhere.

Observe the picture below. To the left is a sample of what one chromosome looks like (a representation). with the blue markers called telomere (as it is always found at the tail end of the chromosome) and the red markers centromere (cos its always found at the centre of the chromosome).

Since we only have 23 pairs of chromosome, then an explanation must be in there somewhere why we seemingly "lost" a pair or even why the apes "gained" a pair. Given that the three apes all have 48 each and only us have 46 it is wise to start the search in us (the odd one out)

https://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7807/chromosomesketch.jpg

You know what? the second picture on the right basically is the smoking gun!!! Human chromosome number 2 clearly shows telomere and centromere where they do not belong! correctly suggesting a FUSION of two chromosomes into one. This is UNIQUE to our lineage. hence giving us one less pair and making us significantly different from our cousins.

Happily concluding the fact that is EVOLUTION. We evolved from something that used to look like apes and took a different path and here we are today.



If you don't understand the maths, check here

p1....p2 ( p1,p2 is simply Parent 1 and parent 2)
24....24 ( take two each )
2....2 ( what have we got left?)
22....22 (is all we got left)

the 4 (2, 2) we have above will now fuse their neigbour to become 2 (1, 1)
1....1 (after fusion)
22....22 ( add back the 22)

23....23 ( modern Human)


Im not even a biologist or a genetic scientist and I understand this its so simple and flawless it almost wants to make me say the "work of god" LOL




If you still have doubts about evolution, this time TRY and read "Ring Species". Simple display of evolution in todays world"

Freksy: Area boy, it appears you don,t understand the question. Now look at it in other words.

For gradual transitions from one major group to another there must be intermediate forms of life. For example, apes did not jump suddenly and become humans. Apes are still in existence and you are alive, where are the intermediate beasts/forms of life between you and apes? Going by evolutionary theory, the intermediate beasts or forms of life should be more capable of surviving than the apes.

You see, that's the problem. Evolution never said we evolved from apes. All it says is we have a COMMON ancestor with apes. which means we branched off to what we are today and they branched off to what they are. I did make a detailed post about chromosome fusion that makes us slightly different from apes. This proves beyond all reasonable doubt where we came from.

There are so many transitional species. when you pile them up, you can see the tree line of how gradual minute changes made all the difference over hundred of thousands of years

Ihedinobi: Pls read the two bolded parts as one statement and show evidence of it.

Exactly. If he read the other book of revelations by peter, his write up will be slightly different

ogedanny: I said it, now it has happened...the world is tilting towards on one Central Bank...We have European Union Bank Now as suggestion to ending the Debt Crisis rocking the Eurozone region...Now African Central Bank is emerging...recent talk among AU nations...Asia is coming soon. When this happen...IMF, being controlled by Illuminati can centralized world monetary system-that's is why we have the NUBAN account no...(10digits), here in Nigeria to centralize all bank accounts. Once they achieve this...they are actualizing the aim of 666, which means if you don't have the mark, you can't buy anything: Just look at Cashless policy another proof...Watchout the end is near...This is my personal prediction about world economic trend! More proof coming up as it unfolds. I am not a prophet but from my knowledge of finance, economy and Revelation from the Bible...Its clear!

Enough with these conspiracy theories FFS .