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Gambit23:
Useless Useless lies

He wasn't lying.
He was saying the comfortable home truth.

revolt:
I'm pretty sure you didn't grow up in the nigerdelta. I grew up there ... im very aware of the deep hatred/ envy against ifbos there. .... but I'm also very aware Clark and aware only command the audience of a minority of niger deltans' even if they choose to be stupid we don't have to join them. Britain and America were sworn enemies but had to settle their differences to combat nazi Germany WHILE SAFE GUARDING THEIR INTERESTS. These niger deltans/ Ijaw hve a right to utter anything they'd like ...we don't even have to love ourselves but WE DESPERATELY ALL NEED TO UNITE AGAINST THIS COMMON ENEMY. I have ijaw friends that are even more pro biafra than lots of igbos so yes they're my brothers. Asari has come out countlessly to push for biafra. I don't know why him and mnk had a fall out but in these times there's a common enemy. We need to unite. Stop being emmotional and think rationally. Which strategy will help us now? Bickering or uniting?

Which stupid Unity?
Some of you have refused to grow brain cells.
You can't find friendship in the land of bitter enemies.
That you have personal friendship with Minorities is inconsequential. I personally have Fulani friends that can even take bullets for me, does it have any meaning in Igbo vs Fulani politics?

This is 2021, unu ekwesigo imulu ako by now.

When you have time, search out for the Facebook page: "Ijaw history in pictures" and join.
Iberibe unu a dika obuzi follow come.

cc: Bkayy, mrvitalis, Amarabae, IDENNAA, nocey,

IPOB on their own lack wisdom too.
How many times have we told them to do away with their delusions of Multiethnic BIAFRA with these minorities?

How many times? What is wrong with you people. Are you imbecilic or what? Do you take pride in bringing disrespect to Ndiigbo from insignificant quarters?
Ishi emebiri unu? Unu ana añu Omo?


Why must Ndiigbo be cursed with bunch of youths in IPOB who cannot be rational for once, and at same time, bunch of self serving old men like Ohanaeze Ndiigbo.
Who did we offend bikonu?

IPOB leave umu Minorities alone. Ha asi Mba!
Next thing ha ebido fighariwa onu! Bla bla bla bla, they are our brothers. Which brothers? Unu adi Iberibe? Ka unu anaghi anu ihe, obu na unu anaghikwu ahu uzo?

Get involved in local politics and displace the current Igbo political class, so that you can retire the old men in Ohanaeze and control the organization once you have seized control of all 5 SE states Government. These bunch of youths with no iota of reasoning capacity will start giving excuses.
These people are living in alternative Universe. They hate to embrace reality and it's very painful to watch as an Igbo from the sidelines.

Recently IPOB was involved in exchange of words with Edwin Clark, only for Ijaw National Council to step in and insisted Ndiigbo apologized to Edwin Clark.

It sounded foolish and funny, seeing as not long ago , Asari Dokubo, a former IYC president labelled entire Ndiigbo as slaves to his Ijaw people, and no body from Igboland demanded for apology.https://www.nairaland.com/5154334/bomb-igbos-ijaw-slaves-dokubo
Yet when INC demanded for apology for Edwin Clark, the bunch of old misfits without any ounce of brain calling themselves Ohanaeze Ndiigbo, rushed to offer a reply to Ijaws.

You begin to wonder where these bunch of brainless elders were when Asari Dokubo was running his mouth, why were they not swift to demand an apology from Ijaws?
Who exactly does Ohanaeze Ndiigbo represent? Because it's becoming obvious that these bunch of old men represent no body in Igboland.

In their stupid reply to Ijaw, Ohanaeze went on to list what they say Clark had done for Ndiigbo.
But what they didn't list is the fact that Edwin Clark led the Igbophobic campaign in 2006, when the race for VP for Yaradua was on and Peter Odili was a front runner.
Mr Clark insisted that Odili could not represent Niger Delta or South South, because according to him, Peter Odili coming from the Igboid speaking community of Ndoni in ONELGA of Rivers State, is not Niger Delta enough to represent the zone. Niger Delta to Mr Edwin is Ijaw or non Igboid.
This was how Odili was replaced with relatively unknown GEJ as Yaradua running mate for the 2007 presidential election and the rest they say is history.

How else can Ohanaeze develop selective amnesia 15years later just to launder Mr Edwin Clark image?

Let it be known today, that Ohanaeze Ndiigbo do not represent Ndiigbo. No one in Igboland voted for any member of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo, and they do not in anyway represent the opinions of the Igbo commoners, hence this so called apology from those group of serve serving, probably dementia suffering old men, represent the opinion of they, themselves and maybe their family members.

Nonsense.

revolt:
I see a few igbo kids that talk like they had no fathers in their lives. They talk like women. I see a lot of yorubas do the same too but I expect the igbo kids with our unique upbringing to display different. I'm extra irritated when I see these beta males talking from their b# tts....burning every bridge tht has been built with our brothers in the south and even middle belt. Sometimes it's almost like they're jihadists camouflaged as nwafors to bring disunity. The response to Edwin Clark was VERY uncalled for. Edwin Clark has always hated igbos but as an elder he should have been ignored. Even if it's widespread knowledge he doesn't speak for all ethnicities in the south south...but as an old man he should have been ignored. We cannot afford to be making even the littlest amount of enemies now. THE WHOLE SOUTH BY NOW SHOULD HAVE UNITED AND PREPARING FOR THE IMMINENT FULANI INVASION. We cannot be bickering at this time. Anybody in the south still thinking the presidency will go south in 2023 is joking... buharis presidency has done so much evil to the south and cannot even afford to allow the south rule. They will instead prefer a military coup d e tat. He has set precedences that they know they can't take from a southern president. So if una like.... dey there dey run mouth. My ijaw brothers in the south, I'm pretty sure you know an invasion is coming and this shouldn't be about biafra. These fulan...are arming militias waiting for the go ahead to attack. They're already in camps in our forests. The southwest is already surrounded. South unite. Unite.

Don't be stupid.
Ohanaeze are a disgrace.

When Asari Dokubo opened his decayed mouth and called Ndiigbo slaves, did IYC or INC issue any apologies to Ndiigbo?

What exactly is wrong with you lots?

Imagine you calling Ijaws your brothers, some of you are mentally retarded.

It was this same Clark that insisted in 2005 that Peter Odili cannot be VP to Yaradua, because according to him, Odili was Igbo and Igbos has no place in Niger Delta or South South.

IDENNAA:
This man are you ok.

According to an Onicha high chief , not that I believe that , Onicha mean "Onili ncha" which means overcoming all obstacles and this is an Igbo language.

But , to further explain your confusion; there are other Igbo towns we don't know the meaning of their names. Examples are Okodu, Obosi , Ogidi , Uke , Nri etc.

And more still, there atleast up to 12 more "Onicha" scattered in all five SE states and Anioma and not one single "Onicha" outside Igbo speaking realm.

Onicha-Nike (Enugu)
Onicha- Uboma(Imo)
Onicha- Ezike( Enugu)
Onicha Igboeze( Ebonyi)
Onicha- Ngwa( Abia)
Onicha-Ukwuani (Delta Ukwuani)
Onicha-Olona( Delta Enu-ani)
Onicha-Ugbo( Delta Enu-ani)
Onicha-Uku (Delta Enu-ani)


Above are few examples off my head.

IDENNAA:
The Igbo philosophy teaches against bestowing too much power on a single person....Igbo enwe eze is real , but it beats their imagination...lol

They amuse us with their slavish Monarchical systems where one man is made powerful and dictate to everyone else.
They see it as sophistication, we see it as stupidity.

As in? Why should one man I never endorsed who was just lucky to be born into Royalty dictate for me?
Why should I bow to him?

It's madness!

aribisala0:
But Eegbowe enwe Eze naa
How come Ezes are diffusing upandan?

Does Eze sound like Edo world to you?

Igbo enwe Eze yet we have word for Eze that remains same from Igbanke in Edo State, to Isobo in Cross River, and from Umuezekhoha in Benue to Ikwerre in Rivers State?

Where is your Brain?

Igbos had Ezes but they were stripped of powers and rendered ceremonial.
So yes we have Ezes, yet they were and are not Ezes in the real sense of what a King entails.
Hence Igbo enwe Eze is hard for a non Igbo to understand.

In Igbo we say: Eze bu ilo/iro meaning a King is an Enemy. We bear this as a name too to remind us why we don't want kings.

The ancient Igbos knew that the Idea of King with King powers is not beneficial to the people, so they either made away totally with kings, or retained kings but only as ceremonial vestiges and in priestly roles, to keep their powers well checked.

So yes! Igbo enwe Eze!

aribisala0:
Good

So how did that arrive in Oguta?

Did they download an App?

The same way Ikenga cult from Igboland was downloaded in Bini as "Ikegobo", it's called cultural diffusion.
It's a Natural process, it doesn't have to mean that anyone conquered anyone.
Only people suffering from inferiority complex go about manufacturing fantasies of conquest when a neighbor borrow a culture from them and modify to suit themselves.

aribisala0:
The conquerors of Aro land



You know naa

Egalitarians

Republicans



Ona can lie!!

Lol!
You are obviously not okay.
You need mental evaluation.
Have you got more jokes?

aribisala0:
The Akampka dynasty are in place till tomorrow just like other imported dynasties in Oguta , Onitsha etc

Lol!
Who is Akamkpa Nnaa?
You will tell your chi his own history?

Etinosa1234:
The bolded is a big contradiction to all that have happened to this thread

The Onitsha monarchical system was patterned like Benin own...
So anything u say, it also applied to the Igbos living in Onitsha there..

Different people and their system of government..

Many kingdoms practiced the same system of government practiced by the supposed inferior Benin kingdom like Oyo, The British, French, Russians...

So if u still don't understand while we did it, maybe its because ur ancestors didnt evolve to such stage yet

Patterned inform of regalia and some other stuffs.
That's all about it.

Obi of Onitsha is not an authoritarian who dictated for Onitsha people.
There was Nze na Ozo
There was Ofo na Ogu, etc.

They borrowed the flamboyancy of your Monarchy but not the power of the Oba.

And mind you, the Bini Oba is a direct offshoot of Yoruba Oba, who civilized the bush Ogies of the Ogisos era and relegated them to the background and rule over them and their decendants till today.
I remember that the decendants of the Ogiemein are still in court today fighting to overthrow the Yoruba Oba rulling in Bini today. When you remember that Onitsha Igbo ancestors were in Ife and know a lot about Yoruba Obaship, you can begin to connect the dots.
So who knows, if we go to the root of it , it could as well be that Onitsha borrowed the Monarchy from Ife and not Bini, either way, Onitsha Monarchy was modified into acceptable Igbo tenets of democracy and Republicanism.
How about that?

aribisala0:
So it is no no more Eegboew enwe Eze but Eegboew enwe Eze that are dictators?

Funny peeps


So other Eegbowes don't have priests?

Is Eze Aro priest of Ibini Ukpabi?

Guy The Nnubi dynasty rule to this day


Akuma and his brother were warriors
How did warriors morph into a Priest king?

What did the Eeegbows know about the Ibini Ukpabi , Ekpe society and the Akpa cults?

You do not even know how to lie

You lie like a child

Lol!

Igbo enwe Eze means lots of things. You have to be Igbo understand it.

1. It means there are no single king that rule all Igbo people.

2. It means that kings in Igboland are titular heads and not authoritarians. They were mere ceremonial entities and never really dictated for anyone.
The lands belonged to families and not to the King.

Akuma Nnubi is said to be an Akpa man and died shortly after the war, and so the Mantle went to Nnachi group.
Till today, the real identity of the Akpas or who they were is still not clear. To me, Akuma is a typical Igbo name still borne by Igbos all over Igboland till today. It means Wealth Knows. Full meaning should be "Aku ma onye nwe ya". Wealth knows who the owner is.

Either way, Akuma died and the current line of Eze Are the Nnachi group .


. "The first king (or Eze Aro) of a unified Arochukwu was Akuma but after his death, Nnachi son's Oke Nnachi took over and his descendants have the throne to this day."

Etinosa1234:
So much pains for the tribe u so despise

U want to compare the evils Benin did to that of the Fulani that is currently tormenting u now

We don't have issue with your Bini fairy tales.
In Igboland, Bini stories are known as fairy tales.
Our ancestors were amused by them. They couldn't understand why a fat not so brilliant man with Entourage of wives should be rulling a people and the people happily accepted.
It sounded unreal to them. They couldn't phantom such possibility.
It sounded like madness

Hence when some one tells a stupid non-plausible story, we say they are saying "Akuko Idu n'Oba" .

We don't tell you how stupid and weak we find your Monarchical system, because we generally mind our business.

But since the likes of Reno and you cannot feel good about yourselves unless you pokenose into Igbo history, we will henceforth tell you the ugly Truth we normally don't.

Ndo.

aribisala0:
The Eegboew pride themselves on their so called egalitarian nature when it suits them
Language is a lingua franca that does not establish identity
No matter what any of us say when our West African neighbours hear us they hear Nigerian not Egboew Ijaw etc


The Eeegbow identity crystalized around the time of the Biafra war. Certainly before that the Ngwa e.g denied being Eegbow

The point is Aros had kings . A dynasty that is not Eegbow they had culture and tradition e.g Ekpe society Nsibidi and cult traditions that ARE NOT Eegbow

You can deny that til next year but that is why they had no qualms trading the rest of you because during that era they did not identify with you

You were just neighbours who spoke a similar language

Think about it like this

Villager who had never travelled in the forest would assume that that was the whole world and the whole world spoke a variant of what they spoke. They would have no reason to identify with them

The Eegbow system of identity was the Clan

Aro kings like most Igbo kings are no dictators, they are more like Chief priests, we call them Eze-ani/Eze-ali/Eze-ana/Eze-ala, etc depending on the Igbo clan .
And they were never non Igbo. AKum Nnubi an Akpa man, was honored initially for his role in helping Aro win the Ibibios with Eze Aro title.
But once he died, the Nnagwu lineage took over.

Etinosa1234:
The capital of Aro fell in 5 days...

The capital of Benin kingdom fell in 10 days..



But the way the Igbos chest beat, u'll think it took the British 20 years to get to their capital

Besides.. after the capital fell, there was also resistance from all other parts of the kingdom including the esans

See link below

https://www.nairaland.com/6664299/benin-didnt-fall-under-weeks

There was no such resistance.
Your mushroom village kingdom was captured in a single day.
The battle to get to your capital and your fat Oba is what took some, and all in total they took 9 days to totally subjugate the fabled Bini Empire that existed only in fairy tales.

Aros lost Arochukwu earlier in the campaign, but the war was for 5 complete months.

Even more humiliating is that Aro confrontation with British is recognized as war, hence it's called Aro-Anglo war, while what happened in Bini was not even a war, it was a mere routing expendition. That's how weak and useless your Monarchy that foolish Reno want to compare with his superiors (Igbos) was.

IDENNAA:
Such were the doings of our sophisticated greatest empire ever build on earth. Civilization indeed!

Very backward people who never added anything to civilization.
All they did was use superior weapons they got from Portuguese to raid Ikaland and Owoland for slaves for sale to the Portuguese in exchange for bronze they couldn't produce locally, and for the human/human parts they used for scarifices to their dead gods and to bury their fat lazy royalties.
A people who should be ashamed of their evil did in the past and tender unreserved apologies to all parties they wronged are busy boasting of non existent Empire.

Ndi Ara.

Boudiccao:
The Aros that sold slaves in my igbo community and settled in many igbo towns never identified themselves as strangers to other Igbos.

Igbo people didn't go by the term igbo back in the days, they all identified themselves with their sub group and Aro just like others wanted to maintain their sub group identity then. Aro is historically formed by almagamating igbo people and some Akpa folks.


Aro is an Igbo group.
Cry!!

Aro that prided themselves as the greatest among Igbo groups.
They called themselves "Aro Oke Igbo".
Aros the great Igbo in English.

Aro cousins were the Abriba, Ohafia, Edda and Abam and they were tightly knitted people.

Dude you are replying is an old timer that goes by monikers like "Omonnakoda" and other stupid monikers, intelligence has never been his forte.

aribisala0:
Confused people one minute you are claiming we are republican we are egalitarian next you are claiming dynasty

Make up your minds

The reality is that The Aros sold millions of you and are ruled by foreigners
When the slave trade ended the population of slaves expanded but the kings remain Akamkpa

You have always not been the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree.

Name the Akamkpa rulers of Arochukwu?

... to hear an account of the Benin massacre of 1897 and its sequel from one who had taken part. It is a story that still has power to amaze and horrify, as well as to remind us that the British had motives for pushing into Africa other than the intention to exploit the natives and glorify themselves. Here, for instance, are some extracts from the diary of a surgeon who took part in the expedition.:- 'As we neared Benin City we passed several human sacrifices, live women slaves gagged and pegged on their backs to the ground, the abdominal wall being cut in the form of a cross, and the uninjured gut hanging out. These poor women were allowed to die like this in the sun. Men slaves, with their hands tied at the back and feet lashed together, also gagged, were lying about. As we neared the city, sacrificed human beings were lying in the path and bush—even in the king's compound the sight and stench of them was awful. Dead and mutilated bodies were everywhere — by God! May I never see such sights again! .

Exponential101:
Many of you Igbos just chose to be deliberately foolish for no reason.

How can a lunatic be comparing Ojukwu that was beaten blue-black by an aboki in the 20th century to the Benin king that withstand the might of the British invasion in the 18th century ?

We are talking British invasion similar to that of the America n India. I am 100% sure the British can not have a journal on conquest of the igbo, that is how insignificant your entire tribe is n will forever be till eternity.

Do you have any idea how many books memo journals have been written by the same British on dealing with the Benin kingdom ?

You are not okay upstairs.

Bini was overrun by Biafra in days too.

Your fat old Oba was a sitting duck and ran away to the bush like a coward without putting up a fight when the British rolled in the Maxim guns at Bini.
The war lasted for just a day.
The fat unfit old man ran into the bush, instead of him to reorganize his people and fight back, he came back from the bush to hand himself to the British.
Even offering to give his silver and gold to the British to buy his own freedom and become British stooge.
What a disgrace and shame.

In contrast, Aros defended Arochukwu for full 4 days under same British Maxim guns, because they were more organized and sophisticated, they had men of skills who fashioned local guns, something Bini lack. All they know to do was fall down on the floor like men without brains shouting "Oba gha tokpe" to their old fat king. Mtchew.

And when Arochukwu town fell, the people regrouped and continued fighting.

And mind you, Aros have a king, he is called Eze Aro, but in real time, he was just a priest king and not a dictator who dictated to anyone.

Let me tell you, you lots were primitive and cannot measure to Igbos weather in the ancient or present.

That we normally mind our business about your ancient fables and let you lie to yourselves about imaginary glory, doesn't mean we don't Know the truth.
Ask around, in my part of Igboland, "Akuko Idu n'Oba" is an ancient way of saying "fairy tales and fables". Ancient Igbos are aware of Oba people penchant for fairy tales, concocted stories and fables, we make jest of it within our homes, but we are repectable and decent enough not to come out in public to make jest of you guys about your fat Obas worship and all that we find retarded and foolish.

We are only doing so now because you have refused to mind your business.
You are pokenosing into our own business.

Walkee:
lol you have comprehensive issues?
I said onicha was founded by the benins
https://www.britannica.com/place/Onitsha-Nigeria

If we are to go by the anichebe version which is also the Benin version it's even worse.
Chima the son of the Oba who was most likely birthed by Ika slave was denied the throne so he took some loyalist and migrated far away across the Niger.
I was basically talking about Onitsha being founded by Benin adventurers and modeled after the Benin monarchy.

Lol!
You obviously didn't listen to Igwe Achebe interview well.
Onitsha lived in Ife having migrated from Igboland, later moved to Bini , had issues with Bini people, and came back home to Igboland, all these while maintaining and retaining their Igbo language and names.

Is Onitsha Monarchy really same as Bini?
As travellers, Onicha came back home with foreign cultural exposure.
So they created a unique system based on Igbo tenets, but garnished with Bini flamboyance.

For example, the Monarchy in Onitsha doesn't go from father to son.
It moves from one rulling house to the other, unlike Bini that moves from father to son.

The Title of the king is Obi and Igwe,both Igbo royalty titles, and not Oba or Ogie, as found among Edoid and Yoruboid races.

The King is not the owner of the land. He is a bit ceremonial. The land belongs to families as obtainable in Igboland.
There are also the Ofo and Ogu institution of ancient Igbos and the Nze na Ozo council.

You will be stupid if you think Onicha Monarchy is same as Bini's.

Exponential101:
They suffered 5 full month to bring you under control n ruled your father for over 500 years afters that n you are here gloating.

This is despite the fact that every single sentence of your assertion is wrong n dead b4 arrival. You no get shame.

It is this same Nigeria they British had to mobilize soldiers from India, Ghana n Freetown to fight a particular town yet they are not making mouth like you lazy ass lunatics.

I have to brag. Because Reno whose village Bini Kingdom capitulated just under one day of British Maxim assault, had the temerity to belittle my ancestors who lasted for 5 full months under same assault.

We were a superior people to his own people, as far as resisting foreign invasion is concerned.

As a Bini affliated man, he and his Bini overlords have nothing on Ndiigbo. We were and remain superior.
We don't usually go about rubbing this fact in, but because these Minorities will not let us be. It's a about time we started rubbing it in!

Walkee:
did Africans join forces with the British invade your so called arochukwu? Hoping to loot gold and bronze? You don't know where the Benin empire ruled over lol? Ado-ekiti, Ondo, Lagos, Agbọ even Onicha, your only notable place in Nigeria was founded by the benins. The Benin wasn't an empire all through the time. Most of the territories were lost mainly because benins preferred to live in the city that was how most of the territories were overrun by the other populous tribes.
Talibans also elect their leaders.
By your logic Roman empire, China, Persia, Britain France, Germany, Ottoman, Austro-Hungary were all savages?

Lol!
You are not so wise.
Who doesn't know that British expendition soldiers were mainly blacks recruited from neighbouring tribes? The British army that invaded Arochukwu had many recruited sell out Igbos from non Aro affliated groups in them. Some of them had vendetta against Aro though.

Benin ruled Onicha? You are not okay.
You suffer from inferiority complex and need to attach to Igbo blinding glories and splendour.
Onicha people were Igbos who went to Bini to civilize you savages, but had to leave when you wanted to kill them and returned back home and were welcomed back into the receptive warm hands of fellow Igbos.

Your brother recently posted an Interview by Igwe Achebe Nnaemeka, go look for an Igbo man to interpret the interview for you.

How dare you place your village kingdom side by side with those great empires who are associated with one world changing inventions or the other?
Are you a comedian?

Boudiccao:
Once you take out the head, the rest is gone.
People with no Kings are more difficult to conquer and that's exactly the problems Britian faced in Igboland even during Colonialism.

Yet the stupid Reno opened his mouth to tell us how not having useless fat lazy kings meant that Igboland was disorganized and open for any stupid group to plunder.
What a stupid sentence.

When the British with Maxim guns sweated for decades to get past Enuani and the Eastern Igbos, what chance did useless village Monarchical minority societies around Igbos stand?

Normally we should be humiliating these people for being stupid enough to allow a fat slow man rule over them, like they don't have brains to decide their own dates, but we don't, because naturally we mind our own business.

But apparently, these people are now drunk in their own foolishness that they think our silence on exposing and deriding their stupid monarchies was an invitation for them to start attacking our superior democratic society.

I swear, we have to start putting these people where they all belong. We have been on the defense for so long. It's about time we go in attack full speed.

Ndi Mgbu!

Walkee:
who surrendered? Did Uromi stop having a king? Did any of the enigies lose his crown with the Oba?
The city of is relatively small, which kingdom hasn't fallen when attacked from all sides especially by people close to you who know your terrain.
The Igbo savages you are hyping who fought in jungles can't be compared with a well developed kingdom. They can be likened to the talibans in Afghanistan. Yes it is more difficult to beat savages hiding in bushes with no clear leaders just like the Vietcongs and the Afghans it doesn't make them more sophisticated. All develop empires and kingdoms in human history had Kings and should the king get captured the war is over.

If your savage life of old, with no clear leader and hiding in bushes to fight was so developed and advanced why didn't you use the same tactics during the Biafran war?
Why did your people surrender the moment Ojukwu ran away and Philip begged the feds to spare his life?

Funny enough when the British captured Bini City.
They complained of your savagery uncivilized ways.
Many rotten flesh of human sacrifice altars all over the fettish village Bini City.
Very funny.
Arochukwu defended Aro chukwu town for full four days before losing the town.
But your backward Village empire of fables lasted for just a day and then capitulated! Go figure.
The Enogies are Oba stooges hence all surrendered to the British immediately they captured the Oba.

Was Bini an empire? Who did you rule over? Ikas?

There is a reason developed world jettisoned Monarchical system for democratic ones, they (Monarchical system) were defective systems and doesn't suit the massess.

We had clear leaders. They were just not a fat old Oba with many wives to Bleep around and feed fat on people sweat We were too sophisticated to allow such.
Our leaders were elected/appointed for specific tasks at specific times. Your Bini were the real savages who took weapons from Portuguese and went about terrorizing your fellow blacks to exchange for pieces of bronze.
Shameless minorities.

The war was already lost before Ojukwu fled because of the international sabotage that led to Biafran blockade and the starvation policy.
Ojukwu was not captured. Biafra was starved of food, which by the way was a war crime.

Either way, Ojukwu wasn't a king neither were we running a Monarchical system in Biafra, so I fail to see the relationship.
If you had killed Ojukwu, and Biafra still had access to food and weapons,I promise you that the war would continue full throttle with new leader appointed. Biafra lost Enugu city very early in the campaign, yet the war raged on for years. Oba wasn't even captured when Bini fell, he ran into the bush and had the opportunity to regroup and fight again at other places if Bini was indeed an empire. But because Bini was a mushroom kingdom living in fables, Oba knew his control didn't extend much outside Bini City, so once the City fell, the Oba came out from the Bush he was hiding like a coward and tried to negotiate his freedom with gold and silver from the British army.
Either way, you are comparing apples and oranges here.
Let's stick to your fat old slow Oba and your defective Monarchical system that couldn't defend Bini for more than 1 day under the power of Maxim guns, whereas Arochukwu town was defended for 4 full days and thereafter rallied behind and continued the battle outside the administrative headquarters of the Confederacy for another full 5 months.

Walkee:
lol. Phillips wrote a letter to London asking permission to invade Benin because the Oba banned trades with the itsekiris who were supplying the brits. Philips did not wait for a reply and organised 250 men who hid their weapons and pretended to be tourists. The Ijaws sent a message to the Oba to the Oba, the Brits were told to go back, they refused fights broke out and 253 of them were killed. Britain humiliated and fearing other regions might follow suit sent a message the governor of South African protectorate. He was informed of Phillips letters which claimed that there were more than enough bronze in the city to pay for whatever logistics it would take to claim the City. Africans soldiers in the southern African protectorate were recruited and promised bronze and gold. Message was sent to the governor in Niger delta Protectorate and he enlisted West Africans they attacked from 3 sides, at least 3,000 Africans and a few Brits who remained near their ship until the fight was over. This is the only reason the city was ransacked, to pay the Africans who did the job.

What the fucck are trying to say that other Kings weren't free men? You are just there in your IPOB hallucinating about people you know nothing about. The first time an Ọba tried to overreach into the South he was killed there. Ozolua who ran circles round Yorubas in Ado-ekiti Annexed most parts of Idah was killed in Uromi. Lagos was created by by mostly Esan and etsako soldiers. That's why you have places like lekki, idumota, idumagbo etc having esan names. Uromi was the military head of the kingdom. You have no idea what you are talking about

We are saying same thing.
Phillips or whatever wasn't acting on official orders.
There was not enough guns and not enough men in his ranks.
That's not how the British expedition works.
British expenditions come at you gun blazing with their maxims, no sneaking around.

You just butchered poorly armed British man acting alone without official backing, any fool can do that.
When the real British official Calvary arrived, you were blown away in a matter of hours.
You couldn't just deal, you lack the sophistication to fight such opposition because your village Monarchical system of Government is defective to.
This is the truth, but because the Igbo generally mind our business, so we don't go about telling you how stupid your Monarchical system was and is, foolish Reno and co now think they can come and belittle our superior system, hence the need to put you empty braggarts and your village Monarchy where you belong.
No offense!

If the affliated forces to Oba Bini were strong and not just empty heads whose chain of command rested solely on Oba, why did they all capitulate and surrender immediately the Oba was captured by the British?

That's the question you should be asking yourself.

Denn:
Don't lets mix matters up.

Lets start with you providing an answer to the question i asked. Once we are done with that, we will visit any other area you so desire.

So, How did Afa get to Ndigbo?

Lol!
Why should you decide where we start the digging?

Who did the Yorubas meet at Ife? Let's start at that.

Exponential101:
Igbo n mouth.

I guess the British are not humans but gods ba abi na lion they born them.

You comment like lunatics on NL as if u your medulla does not work.

The British suffered for 5 full months to bring Arochukwu under control. And it didn't even end the there.
They had to fight other groups in Igboland too.
They didn't go Scot free. They lost resources and humans.
It's not bragging, we are stating the fact.
We are not a people with village Monarchical system who take pride in one fat lazy man with multitude of wives rulling over them, yet couldn't resist Colonials for more than 2 days.

It's pathetic! Since some of you will not dey your dey and leave Igbo alone. It's time we tore your fragile egos built on fables and fairy tales apart.

Denn:
Let's start with this.

How did Afa get to Ndigbo?

Why not start with how did Yorubas get to Ife?
Who did they meet there when they arrived?
Who gave Bini it's civilization? Was it not the Yorubas from Ife who ended the Ogisos and established the current Yoruba Oba system in Ile Ibinu?

Walkee:
lol look at this ignorant delusional IPOB. Benin Kingdom was made up of many quasi-autonomous kingdoms whose head pay traditional respect to the Oba. Uromi was the military head of Benin kingdom. They already had access to Portuguese weapons as far back as during the reign of Ewuare in the 14th century one of the main reasons Ewuare and Ozolua ran circles around all neighbouring cities up to Ghana. There are still ethnic Ẹdos in Ghana to called Ga.
The Benin invasion was done by Africans in the South African protectorate down to the Niger protectorate. The brits remained in their ships. The first time 250 British came they were butchered.
As for human sacrifice there is no tribe in Nigeria that was not involved in human sacrifice. The death of ikemefuna in Achebe's book, was it copied from the practices of the benins?
Britain vs Old Benin one on one Britain would lose 99/100

More fables.
The first 250 British people that came were not prepared. They came without official royal backing, and there was no war self. You just rounded them up and butchered them .
That doesn't count as part of the Bini expedition as it was not officially sanctioned by the British crown.

The official Bini expedition lasted for just over 1 day.
You were not worth shishi. How can you withstand the British when you have one fat lazy man who bleeps his brain out everyday with many wives , take decisions for you, since you are incapable of thinking for yourselves! And this ineffective archaic system of Government that the world had jettisoned is what you want to compare with the water tight highly sophisticated democracy of council of elders, age grade leaders council, council of Chief priests of deities, market women council aka Omus, council of title men( Nze and Ozo) and council of married daughters of the land, aka Umuada, that all sit in a round village square and debate on crucial issues and then appoint titular temporarily head of the council for the time being?
You lots are mad.


The affliated groups to Oba Bini were not free men. They were inferior men and stooges with no power to make decisions of their own.
That's why immediately the British captured the Oba who tried to negotiate his freedom with silver and gold, the spinless enogies and affliated groups to Oba had to bow too.
There was no resistance.

Your village Monarchical system is defective and the ease with which the British brought you under colonial rule in a day proved it.

In contrast, the Igbo representative complex democracy proved superior in stopping a colonial force , because there was no particular all powerful head to decapitate.
The power resided with the people and whenever an acting head was decapitated, another head was quickly appointed.