₦airaland Forum

Denn:
First, you claim there is no relationship whatsoever between ifa and afa, i showed you the relationships with evidence.

If you have verifiable sources to debunk my claims and that of authorities on this, please help us all and bring it to light.

Claims that are backed with evidence become facts

Which verifiable source told you Ndiigbo borrowed our "Afa" from Yorubas?
I have asked you to post the excerpts here.

I recognize Igbo and Yoruba language branching off from the YEAII (Yoruba-Edo-Akoko-Igbo-Igala-) common ancestor eons ago. Hence few word cognates among members of the family.
No one borrowed from any one, they just retained original shared ones before all diverged.

Boudiccao:
That is mere linguistic expansion.
Igbos are surrounded by different non igbo Niger Congo groups and words were going to have cognates on different sides.
The Igbos that lived closer to ibibios, Ijaw, igala etc will end up sharing similar words with them which over time got into the central lexicon.

It's not even same thing.
It's just a mere coincidence that Orisha( this is how Yorubas pronounce it with "sh"

)rhymed with Orisa which is but a dialectical variation of Olisa.

The origin of the words are different.

Orisha in Yoruba has something to do with head, as head means "Ori" in Yoruba. For Comparison, Head is "Isi/Ishi" in Igbo.

But Olisa in Igbo is a contraction of the sentence "O li isaa", meaning : "what is greater than seven", or "what drowns seven".

In Igbo cosmology, the number 7 is very important and considered the highest number of the men realm. Once something exceed seven (Isaa) in Igbo cosmology, it is assumed to have become metaphysical. People are believed to reincarnate 7 times on Earth before they moved to different spirit realm in Igbo religion.

That's why in Igbo fairy tales, when some one has to go to the spirit world, we say " Oga fe ofia isaa (asaa) na mmli isaaa(asaa) , ruo be ndi mmuo"
Meaning he crossed seven forests and seven Rivers and got to the spirit land.

"Oli isaa"(what is beyond the 7th) is the representation of the metaphysical in Igbo cosmology and spirituality, that's how it also came to represent Chukwu/Chineke/ Chiokike/Obasi, because this being is recognized to be a metaphysical being that dwell in the spirit world that lie beyond the number 7.

Bottom line is that the similarity in words between Orisha in Yoruba and Olisa in Igbo are mere coincidence, and they are not even pronounced alike, as both words when broken down to their meaning in both languages,have different meaning and origins.

Thank you for your time.

Denn:
On the contrary.

Other people in west africa recognize the ifa canon.

Igbos well versed in Afa also do.

It is you who is knew to the subject that is refusing to comprehend what even UNESCO has accepted.

And that is the main issue. You simply can’t accept that the almighty igbos could have influence from other tribes in their ancestral development.

Everyone contributed to everyone.

You are very funny.

Even the Ooni of Ife said they met Igbos in Ife when the Yorubas first came to Ife.
We are that old.
But you want to believe such an old people with population to match, borrowed an essential culture as our divination system from Yorubas?

Do you realize how insulting and provocative these your claims are?

No Igbo well versed in Afa recognize any nonsense link between Afa and Ifa.
Stop these ridiculous provocative claims already.

Please Murray Bruce should face his Bayelsa people and leave Ndiigbo Alone.

Ndiigbo on our own should be wise enough to stop these senseless patronising speeches from non Igbos.
It's usually a prelude to their Igbophobic statements in the nearest future.

Denn:
When you all started the narrative, you painted it as if Arochukwu held the British at bay for 5 months. Now, it is clear to the world that Arochukwu was seized in 4 days. The British took their war machine all round to conquer 4 other settlements by March of 1902. These are the facts.

Arochukwu is the name of the confederation and also name of the chief town
You are the confused one.

Aro confederation was not a single town.
It's a group of related and rightly knitted Igbo groups with Arochukwu town as it's headquarters.

Arochukwu fought the British four 5 months.
Every Igbo man knows that Aros never acted alone. They always worked with their Abam, Edda, Ohafia, etc allies.
They were all called Aro people because the Aro was the brain and the others were the brawn.

Denn:
BATTLES FOUGHT DURING THE EXPEDITION
Battles in the Oguta/Owerri area (November 1901)
Battles of Esu Itu (December 1901)
Battles of Arochukwu (December 1901)
Battle of Edimma (January 1902)
Battle of Ikotobo (January 1902)
Battle of Ikorodaka (February 1902)
Battle of Bende (March 1902)

These were different battles for different areas. Battle of Arochukwu was done and dusted in 4 days. simple.

You are not teachable.

There is Arochukwu town,and there is Arochukwu Confederate headed by Aros with it's headquarters at Arochukwu town.

It's like Enugu City and Enugu State.
You capture Enugu city, but you haven't captured Enugu State. The people will simply leave the Enugu city and fight you in trenches dug in other towns within Enugu State, but outside Enugu City.

A war is made up of battles.

Denn:
Arochukwu was conquered on December 28, 1901. Why adding other battles for other lands into it?

Because Arochukwu was a Confederate.
Arochukwu town is the headquarters of the confederation.
So when Arochukwu town fell, the confederation rallied around and fought to protect other parts of the confederation with hope to push the British forces back and reclaim the headquarters of the confederation, ie Arochukwu town.

This is not your mushroom empire of fairy tales. That was captured in a day. And that was it.

Denn:
Is it another Arochukwu that was conquered in 1901? Give dates of this wonderful events you just described.

"However, Arochukwu was captured on December 28 after four days of fierce battles in and around the city. As a result, the Ibini Ukpabi shrine was allegedly blown up. Battles between British and Aro forces continued throughout the region until spring 1902 when Aro forces were defeated in the last major battle at Bende. The Aro Expedition ended three weeks later."

Arochukwu had no fat lazy man people are bowing down to.

When Ibini Ukpabi shrine was captured, the Aro forces didn't surrender immediately.
They opened up new battle grounds and the war ranged on for 5 months.

Nov 1901 to March 1902.

Denn:
you obviously know little about colonial conquests.

on December 28 1901, Arochukwu was captured after 4 days of battle and the Ibini Ukpabi shrine was blown up.

Kindly state the acclaimed 5 months for us.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Aro_War

However, Arochukwu was captured on December 28 after four days of fierce battles in and around the city. As a result, the Ibini Ukpabi shrine was allegedly blown up. Battles between British and Aro forces continued throughout the region until spring 1902 when Aro forces were defeated in the last major battle at Bende. The Aro Expedition ended three weeks later.

Denn:
Kindly read up The Meaning and Method of Afa Divination among the Northern Nsukka Ibo by AUSTIN J. SHELTON’
State University of New York, 1965

Post the relevant excerpt from the study that says that Igbos borrowed Afa from Yoruba Ifa

I don't have time to read an entire book.

bomb24:
lol so Apt! you schooled the dimwits. great empires/kingdoms were not known to be too be weak and fragile, great kingdoms had strong allies or subordinates which they called upon in the Time of war and were not basically known to give in quickly. the stories surrounding the Benin expedition point to only one fact that the kingdom was weak and vulnerable. I'm quite sure they had no hegemony/imperial rule over the delta Igbos.

The Ekumeku war proved one thing among the Anioma and their kit and kin over niger " they were united in the face of external threats" which means Benin was of no threat to their very existence as there were being tamed in the Agboh Axis.

The delta Igbos succumbed to the anti-Igbo sentiments and shied away from their identity that is why today their history is being propagated by another ethnic group, assuming they held on to their Igbo pride that bullshit of being subdued wouldn't have had a standing ground.

The Aros shouldn't be compared to Benin's, aros were the don dadas of the game they had strong logistics, allies from different war clans in Igbo land and beyond, these clans paved way for them to successfully raid villages. the British met their match with the aros they also confessed to the sophisticated weapons the aros used in the battle and the trenches they dug to halt their advancement, this was why the battle lasted for a very long time, unlike Benin, just a single gunshot and their kingdom turned into ashes.

forget the fairytales none of these tribes ever thought about raiding Igbo land if they did they wouldn't have survived.

The only reason Aro-Anglo war didn't last longer was that the British were cunning.

Before the war , they went on a campaign where by they lured the people to bring out their guns to be broken, by either paying them for submitting their guns or by using their local police.
The British were nicknamed "Ndi otiji Egbe" in the Aro area for this.
After a while the Aro sensed what was happening, and halted the campaign, but it was too late by then, they had lost too many guns and it took the Igbo local blacksmiths time to reproduce enough guns on time to ready the Aro Confederate for the war.


The Aro were simply outwitted and out gunned.

But they atleast mounted a resistance for 6 months.

The fable Empire of one fat king that every one else prostrate before like they don't have brains of their own lasted just a bit over 1 day before capitulating.

Yet these mad people come out and tell us how their useless weak village Monarchical system of Government were stronger than our Republican system, and how it made them more civilised than us. Lol!
Of course the British were praising their stupid Monarchical system because they knew it made things quite easy for their colonial intents. They just took out the king or just replaced him with a stooge and the entire people bowed to the British.

In IGBOLAND,there was no king.
It was a very complex society of age grade leaders, elder councils, priests of deities, titled men, women groups ( Umuada and Omus) , etc.
All having equal stake in the day to day governance of the society.
There was no visible head for them to decapitate and bring everyone else under control.
They knew they were going to face stiff resistance in Igboland and that the campaign would cost them alot in human and resources.
Why would you expect them to praise such a system of Government?

bomb24:
lol and the Aros held them for 5 months.

Lol!
Yeah.
5 months. You are right.

Denn:
apologies but only an arrogant person doesn't care about past studies that counter his present beliefs.

It is like saying you don't care if anyone has done studies in the past to prove that the earth is round or flat but since your own parcel of farm land is flat, the earth is then flat.

So who did this study that says that Igbos borrowed our Afa from Ifa of Yorubas?
Did the person come to Igbo land to ask us questions, or he just stayed in Ibadan and Lagos and started distorting Igbo history without our knowledge?

You don't think this is not only insulting, but provocative?

Look,our fathers and grandfathers might have for whatever reason allowed you lots get away with these historical distortions and provocations, but bear in mind that this current Igbo generation will not.

Just dey your dey.
No come use your blues spoil our reggae.

If you want to do research on Afa,come to Igboland and ask us questions, maybe when you are done, you will see that you borrowed from us, since you can't mind your business.

Denn:
If you think it is an insult because an Igbo Dibia uses afa divination, then what do you want the people from other areas who share the same divination with the Odu ifa to say?

In Ewe, Ghana and Togo, it is known as Afa. It is in Benin republic as Fa. Same Ifa is in Brazil.

It has been extensively studied by UNESCO and added to one of the Masterpieces of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity.

I would suggest you do more research on this subject before you come to a hasty conclusion that Afa is in no way related to Ifa.

I don't give a damn who studied Ifa or who used it.

But Ifa didn't give birth to Afa in Igboland.

Ndiigbo and Yoruba are distinct people.

Considering that we have traditionally been more populous than Yorubas, we could easily claim they borrowed Ifa from Ndiigbo.
But that's not how Ndiigbo roll.
We are too secured in our own skins to be pokenosing into other people history.

We just say we know nothing about Ifa, and that we developed our Afa independent of Yorubas IFA.

It's as simple as that.

YungMillionaire:
You are right, I am not Igbo either. But when I hear Osadebey the first thing that comes to my mind is Edo. Okay, I learnt something new today. Thanks.

You are welcome.

Denn:
have you heard of the maxim gun?

Do you know how Lord Lugard took over Kano?

Do you know what ancient Kano was?

Do you know about the might of the British empire?

Do you know what a canon barrage can do?

Aros faced Maxim guns too and yet lasted for 5 months.

But your mushroom empire of fable tales and historical distortions couldn't last for more than two days when the Maxim guns were rolled in.

Come on! Bini Empire was nothing but fairy tales.
We call it "Akuko Idu na Oba" in Igbo land.
Meaning fairy tales.
It never existed.

Denn:
a god might be major in your territory and not so major in another. It doesn't change the fact that orisa means god in yoruba land. It is not a penile wagging competition

Nnaa.

Olisa/Orise/Orisa/Olise are not god in Igbo.
It is God!
One living being that stays up sky.


They are not same.
What is wrong with you people.

Stay your lane and let Ndiigbo tell our story ourselves.

Are you people mad or what? What type of provocation is this?

gods in Igbo is Alisi/Alusi/Arusi/Arushi/Arunshi, etc.

Depending on dialect. Bad that should be the equivalence of Orisa( which by the way Yorubas pronounce as "Orisha" and not "Orisa" ) in Yoruba.

Mind your f**king businesses.

Denn:
Since you dote every response with an insult, then the problem possibly has to be with your upbringing. It didn't start today.

you started off so sure of your self, saying afa has nothing to do with ifa (which shows how uninformed you are on the subject) then you backtrack and says it then implies Igbos had contact with Yorubas before they branched off.

The simple fact is that the Yoruba Ifa divination (Odu Ifa) is the source of all Ifa canon, a fact which is accepted by all who are well versed in the subject.

I am only responsible for what i say, not what you understand.

You are funny.

Ndiigbo had little or no interactions with Yorubas in our ancient memory.

Don't kid yourself.

"Igba Afa" has no direct link with Ifa. It's only with knowledge of linguistics that made available the Info on the divergence of Igbo and Yoruba from the YEAII common root eons, that I tried to link Ifa with Afa, using other shared words like Okwute and Okuta, as well.

It doesn't mean Ifa is Afa.

You insult Ndiigbo when you claim we borrowed our omenani Afa from you.
It's an insult.

We can easily claim you copied Ifa from our Afa,but the average Igbo man has no interest in such ridiculous claims, we mostly mind our business while all of you be looking for our trouble with your blatant pokenosing and distortion of our history that you know nothing about.

It's outrightly insulting. You don't do such and don't expect a proud Igbo man like me not to retaliate.

bomb24:
Oga Benin was defeated by a force of 200 men and not basically 3000 as you implied. history revision will not be tolerated on this forum.

They were rounded up in a matter of days.
They couldn't even manufacture local guns to withstand the British.
And once the Oba came out from the bush he was hiding and sent to exile, the war was over.
That's how fragile and useless their village Monarchical system of Government is.

It's a very primitive and weak system of Government that makes it easy to conquer a people.
Just strike at the head and everyone else fall in line.

Contrast this with what Happened in Enu-ani where the people fought for decades, because there was no all powerful king dictating for the people.

Or in Arochukwu where they organized and employed local blacksmiths all over Igboland who made guns for them with which they withstood the British in a full blown war for 5 months at a stretch before capitulation to the superiority of Maxim guns.

Some village fettish people think that worshipping one fat not-so-wise man and shouting "Oba gha tokpe" up and down like a people without brains to think for themselves, is what makes a people strong or civilized.

Ndi Mgbu.

YungMillionaire:
Guy I am not Bini. But I know Osadebey does not sound Igbo to me at all. It sounds 100% Bini. Are there south east Igbos bearing this name? I don't think so.

You are not Igbo either and so not in position to tell Ndiigbo about our names.

I have a cousin whose name is Osaeloka. Is he Bini too?

Call the Bini man who can interpret Osadebey meaning and I will show you a liar who learnt the meaning from an Igbo man.

Of course the popular highlife musician, Osita Osadebey is from ANAMBRA STATE.
Go to Facebook and type Osadebey and see if you will see a single Bini man bearing the name.

Denn:
Orisa is god in yoruba....refers to the lesser gods and not the main deity.

Well it's main deity in all Igbo dialects and used interchangeably with Chukwu, Chineke, Chiokike and Obasi.
The equivalent in Yoruba should be Olorun or Oluwa.

So obviously Orisa in Igbo is not same as that of Yoruba. Orisa is a dialectical variance of Olisa, Olise, Orise , in Igbo dialectical continuum.
They are just a coincidence.

Denn:
The Afa divination in Igbo is based on the Yoruba Ifa.

Don't be stupid.

Afa has nothing to do with Ifa.
It only proves that Ndiigbo had earlier contact with Yorubas before we branched off.
We all once once had an YEAII ancestor.
So we share certain words that originated from a common ancestor we shared in the past.
It doesn't mean any of us borrowed from each other.

Other example is stone.

Igbos call it Okwute, Yorubas call it Okuta.
Who borrowed from who?
Nobody.
Both evolved from a a known extinct common ancestral root word.

YungMillionaire:
Orisa is 100% Yoruba though. It is Oritse in Itsekiri.

Nope it is not, at least not in the context of God.

In Igboland, there is a R and L divide between Anambra and Imo state.
Anambra Igbo tribes use L for most things, while the Imo tribes use R.

For example.

Madness is "Ara" in Imo dialects while in Anambra dialects, it's "Ala".
Water is " MMiri" in Imo dialects, in Anambra it's "Mmili".

In same manner, Olisa in Anambra, is Orisa in Imo, while in Ndokwa/Ukwuani, it's Orise.
Because in Ndokwa/Ukwuani dialects, "a" in other Igbo dialects are often replaced with "e".

Eg two "abuo" in central Igbo, but is "Ebuo" in Ndokwa/Ukwuani/ Ogbaru dialects.

So you can see how Olisa in Anambra can quickly change to Orisa in Imo and then to Orise in nearby Ndokwa/Ukwuani.

YungMillionaire:
Okay. I understand where you are coming from. But let me ask you a question. If someone set a trap for you do you think is wise to enter the trap?

There is no trap here.
The trap is allowing Reno and his fellow inferiority complex suffering non Igbo tribes distort Igbo history without being violently clamped down with superior facts.
That's the real trap Ndiigbo will not fall into. Not this Igbo generation.

Bini is a mushroom village kingdom that Ika people ransacked at will.
A city that used her people for fetish human sacrifices that sent many of them scampering helter skelter.

There is no single civilization attached to Bini.
They have no Iron ore sites, they didn't evolve written language. They were ruled by a single man. Liased with Portuguese to terrorize fellow Africans just for piece of metals to use for art works.
Very pathetic.

YungMillionaire:
Even if it never happened do you think you can convince people like Reno that Bini did not enslave Igbos? So you know he is doing it to put you down just ignore him. He is enjoying all the attention he is getting. At the end of the day you will just have Binis believing that Igbos were once their slaves. And Igbos believing they were never slaves. To each his opinion.

Nobody is convincing Reno.
We are just letting facts speak for themselves.

This generation of Ndiigbo are not like our parents who allowed bitter non IGBO Nigerian groups spin lies against us that was left unchallenged until they started taking the form of truth.

If you dare say any pim about Ndiigbo in this generation, we will tear you down and tear your ethnic group and your pathetic fragile ego and inferiority complex plaqued selves apart.
That's how we roll.
We have enough time on our hand for this mission.

YungMillionaire:
I don't even know what the big deal is if Igbos were once Bini slaves. The most important thing is that today, Igbos are far more successful and prominent that Binis. Everyone knows this so everyone should calm down.

It's a big deal because it never happened.
No sensible people allow inferiority complex suffering people distort their history to make themselves feel good about their inferiority suffering selves.

Somebody ara go this Baba otu finally.
Ara go ya Tor Tor!
Babaramotu.
Choi! Ara ya without Condom.

Denn:
On Nairaland, i have had countless encounters with people who are quick to talk but slow to reason.

If you read my post well, you would note that i said Bight of Benin encompasses present day Bight of Bonny. I didn't say it is the same.

If the Oba of Benin's conquests was petty and irrelevant, why do the Igbos have tales about it? Do the Benins have tales about Igbo conquests?

Benin did not stumble on weapons as if they were left on a bush path, they traded for bronze, made swords and later traded for muskets many years before any other kingdoms in the area. The Nri or Arochukwu kingdoms did not even exist as at this time.

Weapons proliferated only in the 17th/18th century. In the 15th centuries, very few people had serious weapons and it has been evidenced to be the Benins and not the Igbos. You can refute this by providing documentary evidence, if you have.

The Igbo Awka blacksmiths came to prominence in the 17th century. There are no records to back the myths that claim they started bronze smelting earlier than that. Present day Awka was a jungle notorious for elephant hunting during this period. How do you smelt metal in a jungle filled with elephants?

The Benin moat was an all rounder that secured the city. It didn't just face the east.

Finally, I am not from Benin. Where my ancestors came from does not matter to this discourse. Facts are simply facts. Insults are not signs of intelligence. Cant we all discuss history without getting petty and abusive?

As a side note, can you see how Reno calmed the other guy, teaching him on civility in conversations?

Chest beating does not change what happened in the past. Those who fail to learn from their history are bound to also repeat it.

Nope, bight of Benin never encompassed bight of Biafra, they were all independent bights.

Igbos have always been travellers.
We have Igbos who travelled far deep into Edo territories coming back with tales of civil wars in Edo land between Oba and the Edo rebels, as reason for their coming back.
Many of us amusely saw the story as fairy tales and hence , "Akuko Oba n'Idu" became a way of saying fairy tales in Igboland.

When I was small and my grandfather would send me on errand. He would tell me: hold the money well o! I don't want you to come back telling me the stories of Oba and Idu, ie Akuko Idu n'Oba".
It was a story of jest. We didn't understand how a single fat man should be ruling an entire people. Igbos who never left Igboland found it hard to believe that a group of people would accept to be ruled by a single man who dictates for them. Hence they saw the stories as fairy tales.

Traded fire!
All your bronze work were made from bronze you acquired from the Portuguese in exchange for slaves.
Bini had no Bronze or even iron ore sites.
In Igboland we have Lejja Iron site that is 5000years old.
Long before the first Bini man from Igodomigodo was civilized by the Yoruba torch bearers who came from Ife to civilized you lots and establish the Oba dynasty while overthrowing the Ogiemein, the descendants of Ogiso dynasty, Ndiigbo were already in Bronze age.

Reno is an empty Head.

Boudiccao:
Thank you. That Bigot has never heard about Igboukwu, Lejja in Enugu and Awka that where involved in Technology and long distant trade centuries before his tiny Bini ancestors woke up from sleep.

Igbos have the oldest Civilization in Nigeria after Nok , the oldest in Southern Nigeria and one of the earliest in West Africa.
These bigots think they are dealing with their mates.

I wonder what made them think that a system of Government where one slow fat Oba dictates for everyone else is better than that where the people gets to have elected representatives in a council take binding decisions for all.

Backward thinking people.

Denn:
In as much as personal chest beating is allowed, historical facts are historical facts.

Your opening statement (no man has born of a human da da da....) is not factual.

The available history that can be verified ( and not the fairy tales) told by drunk old men over fermented palm wine state the following:
-Benin kingdom was one of the oldest, richest and strongest kingdoms in the whole of present day west africa.
-The Bight of Benin, which is the whole coastline starting from Ghana to present day Nigeria shorelines and even encompassing present Bight of Bonny (formerly Bight of Biafra) was named after Benin kingdom due to the bustling trading activities with Benin
-in the 15th century, only 4 notable kingdoms existed in what is present day Nigeria; The Borno, Hausa, Benin and Oyo kingdoms. The Portuguese chose to deal with the Benin.
-Initially, trade was focused on agrarian commodities like pepper and palm oil but soon, slaves were added to the mix.
-Slavery was existing in these regions before the Europeans arrived. The Benin moat for example was built almost 300 years before the Portuguese arrived. The construction could only have happened using slave labour.
-The Portuguese paid for goods with bronze or copper anklets (called manillas). These manillas were smelted back by Benin blacksmiths to make bronze items, including swords and artefacts.
-Very soon, the Benins were able to also buy muskets from the Portuguese.
-The Benin king had a standing army and a reserve army. The combination of these fighting men was large enough to raid distant villages in order to supply the high demand for slave labour.
-There were many other human settlements that were within attacking distance to the Benin armies. As at the 15th centuries, many of these settlements were not properly armed or large enough to counter the military raids by the Benin kingdom.
-To make matters even worse, the Benin kingdom was rich enough to employ Portuguese mercenaries to accompany them on such raids.
-The Igbos of the 15th century period settled in small primitive clans with no advanced weaponry and were easy to raid. Many Igbo settlements were dislodged during these periods and moved more eastwards. Some Igbos arrived in Aro region in the 17th century and after some skirmishes with the resident Ibibios, the Arochukwu Kingdom was formed. This was almost 200 years after the Benin had been dealing in slaves with the Portuguese.
-The Arochukwu kingdom, being one of the first big Igbo kingdoms did not waste time and started raiding smaller Igbo clans for slaves. When they could not raid, they sent their own citizens to slavery via the use of the oracle. People who committed petty crimes were sentenced to be devoured by a deity in the tunnels of Ibini Ukpabi but in reality, they were led via the tunnels to the waiting hands of slave traders. The rivers were then coloured red to make the relatives waiting think the condemned people have been killed.
-It is estimated that 14.6% of all slaves sold between 1650 and 1900 via the Bight of Bonny were Igbos
-Unfortunately, the slave traders did not care about where you came from. Once you were vulnerable, you were eligible to be sold.
-Slave trade, is the greatest reason for West Africa's present underdevelopment. It fuelled many of the problems we still have today. Greed, lack of trust, human sacrifice, religious dependence, beliefs in myths, corruption, inter tribal wars etc all have roots with slavery.
-Africa would be a different continent if not a single soul was sold to slavery.

Stop writing nonsense.
No man could ever penetrate Igboland that is not Igbo himself.

Bight of Biafra (Bonny) is totally different from Bight of Benin.

Funny that you talk about fairy tales, because honestly speaking, everything about Bini history are all Fairy tales. Infact in Igboland, our way of saying that a story is a fairy tale is by calling it Oba and Idu tales, "Akuko Idu n'Oba".
Bini was a mushroom kingdom that was lucky enough to stumble on weapons from the Portuguese that it used to terrorize it's Ika and Owo neighbors.
But once weapons proliferated, these groups fought back and kept Bini well contained.

No stupid army raided Igboland. Bini couldn't even get past Aboh Kingdom without being pegged back. Stop with your fables.

Igbos have far more advanced weaponry and sophisticated democratic system of governance than Binis could ever think of. Infact oka blacksmith went as far as Edo land to teach you lots metallurgy.

Bini were little scared minorities who built the Moat to protect themselves from the Ikas who were raiding you and causing you havoc. Ask yourself why the Moat was facing East and not West.

The Portuguese chose you because you were savages who were willing to go hunt for slaves for them among your fellow blacks, using Portuguese weapons as advantage.
You should be ashamed of your shameless ancestors,yet you are here taking glory in your shame.
Immediately the weapons went round, those Ikas and Owo Yorubas whooped your sorry stupid asses.

Arochukwu story has nothing to do with Bini.
Stop meddling into a history you Know nothing about.

Igboland and Yorubaland were densely populated, it's only common sense that the bulk of the slaves were going to come from there.
Bini was a very miniscule ethnic group. Centuries of using each other as human sacrifices and constant civil wars meant you were very sparsely populated and had not enough humans to be sold into slavery.

Grow up and stop the stupid pride built on fables.
Only Igbo ukwu bronze is greater than Bini entire history.
Learn to be humble especially when your history is that of shame!

Mangekyo:
At least our people are killed on a daily basis. Your people are being killed like chickens that you are
The current Chief of Defence of nigeria is from Ika, and I'm very grateful since we get to see the army use your elders to practice smackdown more I love seeing it

You call yourselves a majority tribe and yet you've never come in contact with the presidential sit since the greedy ironsi sold you guys to the fulanis as slaves

Whether you like it or not, you will remain in Nigeria and there's nothing you can do. Nnmafi cownu will be killed very soon and then if your dad takes his place as the chief of IPOB, he'll be killed too

You guys are a nuisance to the community. Yorubas see you guys are shits, same with ijaw people and Anioma people. We'll always be grateful to wike and Fulani people for always treating you guys in the language you understand. Dotted and landlocked zombies. Suck my dick bitch

Lol!
I just discovered I have been chatting with a gworo chewing Bororo man all these while.
Lol!

Waste of time.