₦airaland Forum

Walkee:
Una no just get sense. This is why everybody continue to use your people to rub ground. Even with your large numbers minority still use you to rub ground because you guys are always delusional and insulting in presence of facts.
Do you even know how to read?
Everything to you people is insult and emotional drivel

Lol!

So like seriously, where did you see that Onitsha was founded by Bini People in that post?

You come here clowning around, we expose you, and you veer off the rails crying like an overgrown and overpampered baby.

Who exactly used Ndiigbo to scrub the ground?
Your Bini people?
You meant to say you used Ikas to wipe the floor?
That I could agree with you and leave you to Ikas to sort yourselves out.
It's a master-slave bond afterall. An Igbo like myself should not be putting asunder.

Mangekyo:
Guy, you're a fool! Did I tell you that I'm ashamed that my ancestors were once slaves? You're the one assuming with that your empty skull that I'm ashamed! Like I asked you earlier are the jews ashamed that they were once slaves to Egypt? You've failed to answer. The Bible stated that they were slaves to them for many years but today they're free. They even went to war with Egypt not too long ago and whooped their asses. The fact is, they're no more slaves today, so are we. I will not be ashamed that my ancestors were once slaves, if true. So keep trying really hard to make, kid. You'll only be wasting your your time and your miserable life.
Look, You should worry about your tribe who are currently treated like shit and criminals in this modern Nigeria. Carry your frustration go that side.

Treated like shit like how?
We have full 5 States and get full allocation every month oh.
About 105 LGAs that get their allocation monthly too.

That we are agitating for Biafra doesn't not mean that non entities like your slavish group are better off in Nigeria than Ndiigbo.
It just means that we know and believe we can get so much more than we are getting in Nigeria, outside NIGERIA.

Your highest developed place in Ikaland is Boji boji bush village, and it's not even up to the standard of Okigwe, Orlu, or Nsukka
And you think you are at Igbo level?

Taa, jega je chacha ashu. Nwa Odibo Bini.

Walkee:
what the fucck are you even talking about? If you have any body from Edo pronounce the name and tell him to tell you the meaning.
And see if he will even crack his head before telling you the meaning. The person you are hyping was born and bred in an Edo colony and later same state as Edo. It is normal for people in those region to be influenced linguistically by the Edoid language

Osadebey was a popular figure in the Midwest.
I'm not surprised the meaning of his name is a public knowledge in the entire midwest.

But the name is not in any way related to Bini. Lol!
This whole argument is senseless.

How can De be , have a meaning of "to keep" in Edo? Nah charm?
Which Edo man bears Osadebey?

Walkee:
small igbo kingdom founded by Benins and patterned after the Benin monarchy. Do you even know the meaning of colony?

Where did you see founded by Binis in that write up?
Is your Brain touching ?

It was patterned after Bini Monarchy that is granted, people borrow. Onitsha people if you could hear Igbo and listened to Igwe Achebe interview were Igbos who migrated and lived in ancient Ife.
But over time decided to return home, so on their way back, they stopped first at Bini and then back to Igboland.
In Bini they picked up Bini Monarchical system of Government and added it a touch of Igbo class to produce a hybrid system that is not exactly Bini. Bini also borrowed from them when they were Bini.
That's how Bini borrowed Igbo four market days including the Ikenga cult that you call Ikegobo or something.

Mangekyo:
What Language do Anioma people speak, if I may ask? You sound like a fool that you are.
You keep mentioning "slave" in your every conversation like your life depends on it and could die if you don't type it in all your in all of em. Were the jews not slaves before? Were great Britain not slaves before? How about USA and China? Today where are they?
You know it's Very stupid of you to assume we're still slaves in this current era. Typical Igbo man! Dotted fool! Your people are the current slaves in Nigeria, how didn't you know that? Even we the minority tribe in Nigeria, our people are in more political offices than you majority igbo landlocked zombies.

Who are your people?
Ika people?


Why the misplaced anger? Are we Reno that called you slaves? Didn't we warn you about your slavish attache to Bini people all these years? Didn't we tell you that it will end in your Shame? Now you are transferring your aggression to us and not to Binis that call you slaves?
Get away you?

Walkee:
no Edo man can interpret the name osadebey literally after I told you the meaning. Lol you are a clown. Why exactly will Edo people give government house an Igbo name?

So you mean to tell me that "de be" which means "keep", in Igbo language also mean the same in Benin language?

So if I say: "De be lum ego m" in Igbo language, a Bini man would understand that too?

Bloody liar

Mangekyo:
Are you the one to tell me who to reply? Stupid murthafucka. You must be so pained that we rejected you that you don't fancy getting off our dicck. Keep riding.

Lmfao we're not slaves anymore cabron, we're free men and we can make decisions for ourselves now. You landlocked and dotted murthafucka should worry about yourselves and face your damn fronts. From the loook of it, you're the slaves in the current Nigeria, judging from the way you're all treated like shits that you are. Keep wailing. You can wail from now till tomorrow, Anioma people will always see you guys as strangers, deal with it https://m.guardian.ng/news/delta-is-not-part-of-biafra-republic/

We talking Ika, and you are hiding behind Anioma.
Enuani people has nothing to do with your Ika Bini slavery Biko.

See your Link.

"Small Igbo kingdom of Onitsha".

Walkee:
you are very ignorant and are starting to sound childish. History is not illusion or fantasy


https://www.britannica.com/place/Onitsha-Nigeria



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrxQKyPh7I8

And where did he say that Onitsha is a Bini colony there?
Are you stupid?
Better go look for an Igbo man to interpret for you what Obi Achebe was saying.

Walkee:
osadebey is not a contraptions of any sort, it's a complete name. Osadebey means God averts evil. He was born in the Midwest which consists mainly of Edos and Urhobos there's no need for long story. Pronounce that name to any human being from Edo he will tell you the meaning right there

No Edo man can interprete Osadebey. Don't be silly.

Western Igboland was in Midwest, and one of them, Chief Dennis Osadebey, who was one of the staunch Igbo Union Leaders and stalwart of NCNC party, became the first premier of the region.
The Midwest Government house, which serve as Edo state government house in Bini today, was named after this illustrious Igbo son from Asaba.

Walkee:
lol ignorance and emotional drivel

Oba will be eaten alive before he crosses Ikaland.
He wouldn't have survived ENUANI Igbos let alone crossing the great river.

Igboland was an impenetrable fortress.
The mere sight of the thick rainforest and the fierce looking well fed and robust Igbo men and women parading it was a big scare to would be Invaders.

Walkee:
osadebey is 100% an Edo name though meaning something like God averts evil

Lol!

Nope it's not.

Osa de bey = Olisa de be= God should preserve.

In Igboland, we call God Olisa/Olise/Orisa/Orise, depending on your dialect and part of Igboland.

The Osa in Osadebey is an abridged form of Olisa. Just like you have Chuma instead of Chukwuma.

Other Olisa names in Igboland.

Olisakwe=. Osakwe=. if God agrees

Olisaedu=. Osedu (the "a" in Olisa is silent here, we call it "olilo udaume in Igbo language) = God leads.

Okwuolisa= Okwuosa= Gods word

Beluolisa= Boosa = If not for God.

Olisaeloka= Oseloka= God thought very well of me.

Etc.

In these names, Olisa can be replaced with Chukwu to get same meaning.

Like Yorubas that have Olorun, Oluwa, etc .
Igbos have many names for God.

Chukwu, Olisa, Chineke, Obasi, Chiokike, etc.

Walkee:
was parts present day Anambra, the Onitsha region not a colony of Benin?

Dem no born any Oba Bini to cross River Niger into Onitsha. Does he want to die?
Nope.
Onitsha was no colony of Bini.

Born2Breed:



Despite being impenetrable, majority of slaves in U.S.A today are igbos. Who were raiding and selling out your forebearers?

Don't over hype yourselves, you are a conquered tribe that are still divided. The Igala were running over you from the North..... Don't let me start.

Don't be silly.

Igbos sold criminals among ourselves to Aro chukwu slave traders and their agents.
Sometimes prisoners of wars between two Igbo communities were also sold.
There were also internal Igbo kidnappers ( ndi ntori) who kidnapped people from their farms and sold to slave agents who themselves were Igbos.

Children who were stubborn to parents were sold into slavery by their parents.

Bad uncles dragging their late brothers lands, also sold their late brother children to slavery.

No non Igbo ever ventured into Igboland to capture Igbos and sell. Infact anyone foolish enough to try such would be captured as a slave himself and sold as slave by Igbos.

Igalas were well contained and pushed back by Northern Igbos( Nsukka and Northern Anambra groups).

But Bini people overdo Sha.
How can you come to someone house enslave him and start ruling over him.

Nawao. The Binis were real slave drivers. They must be irritated at being reduced to minorities within the Nigerian context.

I wonder how they look at this history of subjugating and denying their fellow blacks of their freedom and see it as sign of greatness.
It doesn't make sense.
It is a history one should be ashamed of, and not proud of, if you are a descendant of such people.

It's like Abam descendants in Igboland being proud of their slave wars in Igboland for the Aros. It's madness. No sensible person should be proud of such foul history.

iSlayer:
Let me be honest this slave thing by Reno can be very disturbing for the Ika/Ukwuani people. Imagine being called slaves with Iken and Oba as names.

Shameless set of people suffering from generational inferiority complex.

"We are Bini descendants, bla bla bla bla. Yen yen yen yen!"

When Bini people see them as nothing else but Igbo slaves!

This is how they go and be bringing shame to Ndiigbo, because we are yet to completely denounce them.

I blame Ohanaeze Ndiigbo.

Reno is a descendant of Itsekiri people who were slaves.
Enslaved in their homeland by Bini people o.

Dr Ejiro Imuere from Urhobo land reacts to Reno Omokri's assertion on the Itsekiris and slave trade:

In response to Reno Omokri's Post this morning that Ancient Itsekiris used the Igbos of old as Slaves, I had to write this...

Fact: Itsekiris did not enslave any specific tribe...People from every tribe in the Niger Delta only sold slaves to the Itsekiri, being the people at the coast before the seashore where the Portuguese camped. You must pass through their lands before you can export your slaves. In fact if you will not sell to them as middlemen, but you want to sell your slaves directly, then you will have to pay them a rent called "comey".. Even the Portuguese paid them this "comey" to anchor their boats in shores of their lands.

But the Itsekiris ENSLAVED THEMSELVES, not others.

Ancient Itsekiri was a highly stratified and class-conscious society. When the Bini Party, led by Ginuwa, arrived and finally settled in Ode Itsekiri, his son Ijijen became Olu. Ginuwa died in Ijalla. The Bini party enslaved some of the aboriginal Itsekiris called "Orulukus".

In 1848, when Olu Akengbuwa died and his 2 possible heirs also died within a space of 8 days leaving him without a successor, these slaves called Orolukus, led by 7 of their leaders, waged a terrible war against the House of the Olu and the Nobles. They succeeded in chasing them out of Ode Itsekiri and the kingdom went into an interregnum.

Princess Dola or Iye fled to Bobi. Diare, Olomu, Eshalomi all fled to a new settlement called the Benin River.

It was the British that restored Ode Itsekiri later around 1888. Then when the British invaded Nana and defeated him in Ebrohimi in 1894, over 5,000 slaves were set free. They fled to Sapele led by Nana's head slave called OGUGBENE. They were warmly received by the head chief of the Okpe people then called Ofotokun who resettled them today in Sapele. While the Sagay family was resettled in Amuokpe by Odjegba.

Most of the 5,000 freed Nana slaves of Ebrohimi who were later settled in Sapele were Itsekiris.

cc: Bbkay, IDENNAA, iSlayer.

Xbobtage:
I am a Riversman, I am not an Ikwerre man. I believe the Ikwerre peoples quest for a new political identity separate from south east igbos makes sense when looked at from the context of rivers state affairs, because the other non igboic tribes were weary of being dominated by igbo people, If the ikwerre people had wrapped themselves with igbo cloth and igbo pride, then the peaceful co existense between them and other minority tribes in rivers state would not have been possible.

Atleast now we can all call ourselves rivers people, as if it were to be a tribe, and one thing we all have in common is that we do not want to be called igbo people as people have been doing to most south south tribes for centuries simply because their grandparents understood igbo. Although there some rivers igbos who have no problem with their igbo identity like the etches, omuma, and oyigbo people. But these are smaller clans and they can afford to do that without creating any imbalance within the state.

Also since also the fulani led nigerian government wanted to stifle the igbo tribe, if the ikwerres stood by their igbo identity then I can assure you all of igbo people would have suffered it. Igbo people have massively benefited from the massive federal presence in Rivers State, If the Ikwerre people had embraced igbo identity, when bayelsa state was being created, I am sure the riverine non igboic tribes of rivers state would have opted to join bayelsa and the government of the day being anti igbo would have granted it and ikwerres and other igboic clans in River state would have been left to form a state, and the oil sector within that state wouldhave been abandoned like the federal government has abandoned oil activity in the south east, and rather oil wells that were closer to rivers state were annexed into Rivers State and drilled as Rivers Oil.

If Nigeria had turned out to be a great country with reasonable leaders, then what the Ikwerre people were doing for their survival and by extension the survival of igboic people in Rivers State is not unreasonable. It is/was all about Survival.

The reason why I and some people from other neutral Rivers tribes are now speaking out is because the Dynamics of the Politics in Nigeria has changed and the trajectory for the country is obviously not what we thought would become of the country barely looking at it from 20 years ago.

As it stands the people who are truly plotting and preparing theirselves to exit from Nigeria are the northerners, which explains the rush to buld railway tracks from lagos (their intended port of use) to Maidugiri and further in many kilometers into Moradi, Niger Republic to the tune of 1.9 Billion dollars. Also the new PIB bill which will give them 30 percent from Oil proceedings to make sure they find oil in their place. If truly these people belived in Nigeria, their people would have been demonstrating in mass by just hearing that 1.9Billion Dollars was about to be spent to build a train track to Niger, that money would transform the north in many other ways.

Buhari was a student of Tafawa Balewa and Aminu Kanu, the aim of these two people was never originally to form an unbreakable country with the south of nigeria, rather it was to take as much as possible from the south and build a true Muslim nation of their own, they said it with their own mouth. This is why all of these events are happening under Buhari and the man is acting deaf. Obviously he is not deaf, he is just playing a script.

If you understand my above sentence, then you will understand the undertones to my write up. Any nigerian minority tribe that is not plotting the survival of their people and bulding bridges at this point will see their people lumped together with a wrong group once this country seizes to exist.

As a person from a small tribe in the creeks in Rivers state, we see the ikwerres as our brothers and fellow Riverians, Where the ikwerre people go is where my people will go, If we are looking at this from a perspective of future surival my people can not follow the some ikwerre in pokeing the southeast igbos, because in honestly these people can easily settle their differences in the future as brothers, and those of us non igbos will now be left out. Amaechi can come and claim that he has always championed igbo issues and always stood with his igbo identity, other notable Ikwerres will come and say the same thing, and people Notable Ikwerres like Uche Okwukwu will come and sing igbo songs and their people will settle theirselves, people like Wike will be asked to issue apologies , matter don die be that, what about those non igboic clans wey follow them?

As Rivers People we have to start placing our state on a neutral ground, just as the people from Akwa Ibom and cross river people are doing to give us a soft landing on future alliances. Thats all I am saying.

Well in same spirit of survival strategy.
When jungle mature, this current Igbo generation will also use Ikwerre and minorities to play our our survival game.
And we will be so ruthless about it, that even the devil will be amazed.

We just hope when the time comes, you all understand and bear with us, afterall, it's all done in same spirit of survival mode.

Thank you.

cc: Bkkay, iSlayer, IDENNAA

jerseyboy:
Eboe could mean anything. Scholars have been at work trying to locate Olauda's origin for years and the consensus is there is no certainty as he himself almost certainly placed himself in Edo North.

When things are no very clear cut, it is wise to be circumspect about putting ones neck out. Igbos are too emotional to be rational. Igbos no dey hear sound logic.

Which useless scholars?

Lol!
Eboe is Eboe. It means nothing else but Igbo.
That's how the colonials wrote Igbo.
Eboe to Ibo and then we corrected it to Igbo post independence.

The man called himself Eboe and he was very well educated to know his origin.
But an attache by force inferiority complex
suffering Edo man , wants him to be Edo by fire by force centuries later.

You are all bunch of clowns.

Born2Breed:
Reno has soft pedal. In his previous post, he was trying to attribute so much to the Itsekiris.

The Itsekiris were traders, they buy and sell to those in the hinterland, buying slaves and selling to the Portuguese is understandable but they NEVER fought a war and captured slaves, they were under the protection of the Benin Empire.

The Igbos were never a united kingdom, attacking and capturing them were as easy as picking stones from beans.

You are not okay.

No man born of human ever penetrated Igboland and went Scot free.

Igbos had no useless kings that once captured everyone else bows down to the one who captured the king.
It made it hard to defeat Igbos. We had council of elders and leaders of age grades, as well as titled men council who all gather and take decisions.
We were way more advanced than primitive Monarchical societies where one retarded fat king dictated for all man.

Bini kingdom fell to British in matter of days, while the British needed decades to defeat the Enuani Igbo clan.
Aro-Anglo war was on for months. Full blown war.
No ethnicity in Nigeria, pre colonial or post colonial had more capabilities of withstanding and resisting tyranny, invasion or colonialism than Igbo land.

Stop bringing your beer parlour gist outside

Ishilove:
Truth. There is no kind of insult I have not received in the politics section because I refuse to identify as Igbo.

Who cares what you want identify as?

No one cares really, don't flatter yourselves and your people.
We only tackle your Igbophobic Agenda whenever you try to push them, chikena.

jerseyboy:
Olaudah Equiano (/əˈlaʊda/) (c. 1745 – 31 March 1797), known for most of his life as Gustavus Vassa (/ˈvæsə/),[5][6] was a writer and abolitionist from, according to his memoir, the Eboe (Igbo) region of the Kingdom of Benin (today southern Nigeria). - Wikpedia.

Many scholars from intricate studies believe Olaudah Equiano most like is from Edo North from details studies of the topography and traditions of the people he described.

Every Igbo heritage claims are always FULL OF DISPUTES.

The problem for Igbos is this attachment by fire by force. Where there are no clear consensus for all to accept like the case of Anioma and Equino, Igbo aggression and desperation becomes a raging inferno.

A proud people would want nothing to do with those who can never form a consensus they are be part of them. Not Igbos. They will not let the luke warm silince of Aniomas serve as a hint. They go from morbid attachments to vile insults on a people who simply want to be left alone to be who they are, a distinct people with distinct and shared heritages from their many neighbors. Igbos are becoming a nuisance to mankind.

You have all gone mad.

Olauda called himself "Eboe", went on to describe his Igbo village and traditions.
But some how in your head, Igbos calling him Igbo and associating with him are the attache by force, while an Edo man telling Olauda that he is not Igbo but an Edo man is not the one deluded and attaching to the man by force?

Una head no correct, I swear.

RoyalUc:
"...Two things made the Igbo more susceptible to slave-raiding than other ethnicities.
The first was the Osu caste system, which made many Igbos sell their own kith and kin to others.
The second thing is that the Igbos never united under one king, neither were they willing to submit themselves unquestionably to one person. That made it possible for other smaller ethnicities who had united under one king to raid Igbo villages...Let me even annoy you some more, many of the people in modern-day Onitsha are of Bini origin. In fact, the elite and titleholders of Onitsha have very close consanguinity to the Binis." Reno

There is no link between Bini wall building and the rantings above.
The above is Reno veering off rails as usual.

Lol!
Which Bini people raided Igbo villages? Do we share boundaries with Bini people?

Slave trade in Igboland had nothing to do with Osu cast. Infact Osus escaped slave trade because they were untouchable having been dedicated to the deities.
It made many non Osus jealous even.

Igbo slaves were sold at the bight of Biafra, now bight of Bonny, and has nothing to do with Bini people.
The active people in Igbo slave trade were the Aro and their Ohafia,Abam and Edda mercenaries.
They were all Igbo groups. People sold slaves to them who were mainly criminals or stubborn children, and they took them to Bonny or Calabar to sell.
It had nothing to do with Bini. Bini is inconsequential in Igbo history.
Some Igbos like Onitsha, Enuani and Oguta people who lived in Bini but ran back home when Bini tried to sell them off as slaves or offer them as human sacrifices to their fetish gods, were well welcomed back home where they got security.

RoyalUc:
Ariani, Reno has finally mentioned the people that were their slave o!
https://www.nairaland.com/6664091/igbo-slaves-built-great-wall

Lol!
He is referring to Ika people as Igbos.

RoyalUc:
The argument has changed from slavery to development?

Developed slave like you!

You claimed everything is fine with you.
How else can we measure it if not by your level of development?

You are a slave who sees your chains as shiny "bling bling".

RoyalUc:
If I understand you properly, the one fighting for freedom is the slave that doesn't want to remain a slave, right?

Since you are the one fighting for freedom, you are the slaves!
We are free. We live in our land freely. We are not holding any tribe - far away or near - responsible for our state.
When we fight, we fight for our rights for our fair share as sons and not crying to others for help for freedom

Lol!
No place in Ndokwa Ukwuani is even as developed as Okigwe or Orlu

You are beyond redemption.

iSlayer:
Wetin be osu. Hahaha.

He said his Ukwuani Ndokwa people invented the Osu word and gave Igbos.

RoyalUc:
Funny how the 'slaves' are in charge but the defenders are crying every where to everyone - UN, ICC, IJC, US, UK - for freedom from marginalisation.
The defenders are the ones running to the slaves for support to increase their chances at freedom. And because the slaves have refused to join their delusional dream for freedom, the defenders have resorted to blackmail.

BTW, since your messiah has been captured, you can go back and beg Asari for help

What are you on about?
We are free men who has refused Fulani slavery in Nigeria.

You and your ilks on the other hand are slaves who see your chains as jewelleries.
You don't even know you are slaves and hence you can't even be helped.

No one expect slaves to fight for freedom. If they are capable of fighting for freedom, they wouldn't be slaves to start with, they will be rebels!
Nigeria has three class of citizens. The slaves who are comfortable with Nigeria and don't even recognize their slavery status. The rebels who have been waging rebellion since like forever for freedom. And the rulers who promote one Nigeria by shooting the rebels.

The joke is on a slave who considers himself better of than rebels.

Obiigbo has to be returned to Abia state and Rivers State forced to pay back Abia all the money they have Fraudulently generated from Obiigbo oil and gas to Abia.

Egbema has to be returned to Imo state and Ndoni back to Anioma with Rivers State made to repay back all she stole from those two states.

Ndiigbo should come together and make this happen.
We should be ruthless with these wicked neighbors who connived with our enemies and took what belong to us while we were down.

So when will Ndiigbo learn to stop giving those minorities the limelight?
Emere unu ya eme?

RoyalUc:
That's expected... Igbos, defenders of the universe and criers of marginalisation!

Reno had to drag us in nah.
He knows you lots wouldn't have anything to defend yourselves with. Having been disgracing yourselves with slavish concocted Bini origin stories for the past decades now, which mouth again you go use confront your Bini overlords and their Itsekiri collaborators?