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crush20:
The son of God makes him a God as well, but he
is not the father.....God the Father, son and the
Holy spirit (trinity) your religion doesn't even know what d holy spirit is!! So I don't know why ur on dis tread...

Read what you wrote twice, please.

Does that statement honestly make sense?

I believe this weird concept of God was forced to you by your parent.

I believe you make no efforts to make sense of that Trinity

I believe you are scared of using your brain to examine what you believed.

You believe those question are mystery. Blind faith is not what God want from you. He gives u brain to thinks not only how to pass ur exam but more importantly how to understand Him.

MrPresident1:
Yes! Jesus Christ is the saviour of the world, Hallelujah!!!

Now we can understand this salvation in a dichotomy (2 ways)

1. Jesus Christ died to redeem Israel, the woman of God from the curse of the law.
2. Jesus died for the sins to the world to bring all mankind into the law hence into the promise that was earlier made to only Israel.


Jesus died to redeem Israel from the curse of the Law, how?
Israel, as a woman was God's wife. But she became caught up in serial adultery. According to the marriage covenant between God and Israel, according to the Law that was given at Horeb, adultery was an offence punishable only by the death of the offending partner. Israel, the wife of God, must die.

So, God incarnated in Jesus Christ and died in the place of His wife. The logic is, if a man's wife commits adultery and she has to die, but if the man now chooses to die in her place, she is no longer worthy to be put to death. Who is her accuser, against whom has she sinned? God the Father, incarnated as God the son, through God the Word. The Word incarnated in Jesus Christ, the Word is the software of God. And the Word is God.

Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, how?
The world practiced idolatry before the knowledge of God came. The world was guilty of sin, but not adultery because they did not have the Law, only Israel was guilty of adultery because she had the Law, but she engaged in idolatry which is adultery against God. The world needed only a lamb to wash away her sins. Jesus Christ is the lamb of God that takes away the sin of the whole world.

Jesus died to redeem Israel from the curse of the Law. Jesus Christ died to redeem all mankind into the Law and its promises.

Hence, Jesus Christ died to save the whole world.

Well package paganism!!

RicardozRichard:
so which version again dey .... JESUS is the foundational root of Christian religion.. how can you believe in Him and not believe in Christianity .. You shouldn't take it upon yourself to just believe any thing any man tell you about him be it good or bad until you have seen it to be truth in the book THE BIBLE

Is Bible errors free?

Jesus didn't come with any strange message to mankind. He called mankind to worship God alone just like Mosses, Abraham etc. and do goods to your self and fellow creature.

What astonished men of old are his miraculous birth and miracles he did by God command. However, Adam was born without either father nor mother.

Adam, Eve, Jesus, you and me are creation of God. So worship not His creation but worship the Creator without ascribing divinity to creation and that is the right religion.

Jesus or any other prophet never call mankind to worship them nor are they privy to divinity.
Example only God knows the day of Judgement.

Empiree:
that's why he came to begin with? but he was crying like a frustrated chimpanzee to his father when the nails pained so much

Empires, brother.

We as Muslim need to respond with good word and give utmost respect to God and all His messengers, Jesus inclusive. Response to those that seem sincerely searching for the truth and ignore those ignorance on this platform.

Salam

buchilino:
OP, KINDLY TELL ME D DIFFERENCE BY JESUS N GOD.

God is the creator of every thing, Jesus inclusive.

Jesus is a messenger of God. He is not God, not son of God or Trinity.

Worship God alone and respect all the God messengers, including Jesus

Slikbae:
Jesus is God!!

This is what happens when you don't study on your own. In Hebrews 1:8 God the father called Jesus God. The bible says all things were created by Him and for Him. Jesus is God in the flesh. Just like man also exists in trinity that is the spirit, soul and body. So also God exsits in trinity (God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit.) If God himself says they are one, who are you to say otherwise??

You are own your on this one. Jesus didn't create me nor did he create heaven and Earth. I bear witness that there is nothing worthy of worship other than God and I bear witness that Abraham, Mosses, Jesus, Muhammad and all messengers were sent by God. I ascribed no partner to God and I totally surrender myself on to Him alone.

stonemasonn:
If you understand the meaning of Jesus the savior of the lost sheep of Israel and by extension the world then it shouldn't be hard for you to believe as a Muslim. He might just be saying that he has come to steer us away from eternal damnation to the right path and this is achieved through spread via evangelism, missionary work etc. you don't need to be in everywhere to be spread your teachings you know, just start with a band of followers.

Jesus came to preach to worship God alone and associate no partner (s) to God.

Jesus teaching are universal in relevance just like Mosses, Mohammad etc.

Jesus never claimed to be God or son of God or Trinity.

When in need of anything, called your God alone. He hears and will answer your prayer.

Do not call Jesus or any creation of God. None hears and answer prayer except God. Call Jesus one million time your prayer will not be answered. Just test it.

I have no reason to believe in Christianity as a religion.

I believe God created me not Jesus, so l worship God alone not his creation. God is not in divinity partnership with any of His creation.

I believe that Jesus existed. And born without father like I believe Adam was born without father or mother.

I believe Jesus is a human being favoured by God to only convey the message that mankind should worship God alone. He Jesus ascribed no divinity to himself or his mother. Men of old invented such strange concept like weird Trinity, Jesus is Son or Jesus is God.

I believe if I die today, my ultimate return will be to my creator and not Jesus or any of His creation. And I hope God will admit me to His mercy and forgive my shortcomings.

I believe mankind are born sinless and repentance, charity and good work is what God demands of us not blood sacrifice. God is not a tyrant to His creation.

See my response to blood sacrifice and sin atonement below. Though you did not respond to my earlier question.

1. God accepted Adam prayer for forgivenss

“Then Adam received Words (of forgiveness) from his Lord, and He accepted his repentance. Verily, He is the One Who repeatedly accepts repentance, the Most Merciful.” (Quran 2:37)

2. Assume God did not accept Adam prayer per above. You alone is entirely responsible for your sins.

“…No person earns any (sin) except against himself (only), and no bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another…” (Quran 6:164)

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.” (Deuteronomy 24:16)

3. God demand repentance.

Say: ‘O My slaves who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of God, indeed God forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.’” (Quran 39:53)

4. God needs not blood.

It is neither their meat nor their blood that reaches God, but it is piety from you that reaches Him...” (Quran 22:37).

Now you are free to select whichever ever way you want.
Would continue to embrace paganism with your two eyes open ? Or would you submit humbly to your Creator by worshipping Alone ?

Thank you very much for not using insults in all our conversations.

Good luck and bye bye.

Originakalokalo:
Blood is not required for the remission of sins. Dats one of the things you said.....u then mentioned Moses, Abraham, etc. How did they atoned for their sins? Through the blood of animals...... they did sacrifices... since you believe in all these people, how do u intend to atone for your sins? thro d blood of animals?

Let us just consider below question
If ur first child offended you and he sincerely seek ur forgiveness, wouldn't you forgive him? Would you slaughter the second child to atone the sin of the first child?

Thus the first child get off scot free, and is at liberty to ONLY accepts second child death for him to live happily to eternity. God is not unjust.

Will a just and a loving father do that let alone our Creator? God is All-merciful and All-forgiving not a tyrant to His creation. To be forgiven, repent sincerely with humility to your maker, give charity and do good works. He requires no blood of His creatures. Beside God does not require Human being perfection to admit them into paradise . He only requires surrendering to Him and trying your best to please Him with righteous work and not blood.

God destroyed generation of old for not believing in Him, repenting and doing right. No people were destroyed for not shedding blood for Him.God sent prophets to tell mankind to seek forgiveness of their sins.These are some of those things coopted to Christianity by Pauline Christian.

Many ancient and African cultures, promoted same idea about atonement as Christendom still preach today (e.g Molech). To date, ritualist consider child or virgin offering as more befitting to appease their gods. They believed that child and virgin commit no iniquity.

May He keep us on the right path.

Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment. Quran

Dear Pagan9ja.

So long you are still alive means that you have still a window of opportunity to reconnect with your Creator.

Your creator, the creator of your forefathers of old, is the same creator of the heaven and earth and that which is between them. That Creator is God who is the absolute One who begets not, nor was He begotten and there is nothing comparable to Him.

Worship not His creation(e.g. Sun, Moon, Stars, Idols or Jesus) but worship God ALONE by surrendering to Him alone and doing righteous deeds and avoiding all that is evil. Be not rebellion to your Creator, the merciful, whom your soul will ultimately return to one DAY.

Know that Pagan9ja, God will resurrect you after your death and He will reward you on that you have done of good or punish you if you remain rebel to Him. You are created in your mother's womb without knowledge, not free to choose your own shape, attributes or location. We are all born without knowledge about ourselves or the world that surrounds us. It is the Creator Who decides, man has no say in this matter - whatever we possess is from the favors of God. I am telling you this with all humility and sincerity. And this is not a fairy tale of the men of old.

God hears and knows all, so call on Him with utmost respect and sincerity to guide you and remit your evils deeds.

Quran.

Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful. And return [in repentance] to your Lord and submit to Him before the punishment comes upon you; then you will not be helped.

We are not yet a lost generation, the choice is ours now.

Your God is one God bros. It is He ALONE that created Heavens, Earth and our forefathers. So worship Him alone without partner(s). Men of old were destroyed for worshipping other than Him(pharaoh, folks of Noah and many nations).

Worshipping Jesus in whatever form is simply the modern paganism. Jesus was indeed created without father but Adam was created without father or mother.
Your God requires no blood to foregive our sins, so call on Him with sincerity He will answer you. God gave you brain to use not to suspend it (Trinity).

Or did Abraham, Noah, Mosses and all chosen men of God worship Jesus? Jesus divinity is invented by collapsed Roman empire. Follow Roman or your parents paganism at your TOTAL LOSS.

Abraham, Mosses, Jesus, Muhammad and all chosen men of God worship one God alone by total surrendering to our creator through obedience to Him.

So do not call anybody other than your Creator or you will be among the dwellers of the Hellfire.

Worshipping anything other than God is paganism. Don't mind the packaging (like Jesus as Son of God, God or Trinity). Worship the God that created you and your forefathers and associate no partner with Him that is the right religion.

Worshipping anything other than God is paganism. Don't mind the packaging (like Jesus as Son of God, God or Trinity). Worship the God that created you and your forefathers and associate no partner with Him.

Despite recession, these scammers are unrelenting.

May Allah bestow wisdom and guide you and the president to defeat bokoharam, avengers, cattle rustlers, corruption poverty and usher the country to prosperity.Ameen

One wife, celibacy,Trinity, original sin and divinity of Jesus are some of the inventions that are now mainstream in Christianity. Read Church history and how Pauline Christian distorted Jesus teaching.

A religion teaching that has no visible impact on its members should be a source of concern to those that reflect.

A religion in which deep knowledge of its holy book will most likely lead to atheism should be a source of concerns for anybody that have sense.

A religion in which its fundamental tenets(1+1+1=1) is hostile to logic and rationality should be a source of concerns to those that think.

A religion that put almost all emphasis on worldly enjoyment at the price of the hereafter is a source of concern to those that keenly observe.

May God save mankind against Satan the outcast.

I am worried.

Advise: Wake up in the night, ask whoever created you to guide you to the path that is pleasing to Him.Do that for sometime with sincerity and open mind, I assure you He will guide you.

Alexis. If polytheism is what u actually detest, then Christianity is actually one of them. Just unpackaged ur bundle and see what u actually bargain for. You are entirely responsible for your action or inaction.

Alexis. I doubt if u were Muslim at anytime in ur life. Cardinal requirement for Islam demand testifying and worshiping only one absolute God. That is a fact not an opinion to be debated. Muhammad (S.A.W.) is a human being given special task of conveying glad tiding of paradise to believers and warning of severe punishment to wrong doers.Muslims revere him as Messenger and ascribe no divinity to him or to anybody other than God.

International Scammers. Interpols do d needful.

1. Avoid being alone. Occupy yourself with something meaningful
2. Lower your gaze, avoid looking the opposite sex with sex intend thereby tormenting urself unnecessarily.
3. Get married if u hav the means or engage in fasting
4. Pray to ur creator for help.
5.If you are a muslim and wanting to quit any addiction within days. The best method is to strictly observe your five daily prayers on time and in the mosque. The short interval between prayers allow almost no room insha Allah for lewdness, thus keeping your mind constantly engaged.

Caution: Continuing that addiction, Shaitan will start justifying it as ok and then beautify it later.

May your creator guide you to that which please Him.

"They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: "In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit." They ask thee how much they are to spend; Say: "What is beyond your needs." Thus doth God Make clear to you His Signs: In order that ye may consider- (The Noble Quran, 2:219)"

"O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper. Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of God, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain? (The Noble Quran, 5:90-91)"

Allah (English pronunciation: /ˈælə/, /ˈɑːlə/ or /əlˈlɑː/;Arabic: الله‎ Allāh,

It is the Arabic word for God (al ilāh,al=the, ilah=God, literally "the God"

referring to the God in Abrahamic religions. The word has cognates in other Semitic. It is now mainly used by Muslims to refer to God in Islam, but has been also used by Arab Christians since pre-Islamic times. It is also often, albeit not exclusively, used by Bábists, Bahá'ís, Indonesian and Maltese Christians, and Mizrahi Jews.

Allah in Judaism:

As Hebrew and Arabic are closely related Semitic languages, it is commonly accepted that Allah (root, ilāh) and the Biblical Elohim
wikipedia.org
are cognate derivations of same origin, as is Eloah, a Hebrew word which is used (e.g. in the Book of Job) to mean '(the) God' and also 'god or gods' as is the case of Elohim. Elohim and Eloah ultimately derive from the root El, 'strong', possibly genericized from "El", the Northwest Semitic word meaning "god" or "deity", as in the Ugaritic ’lhm (consonants only), meaning "children of El" (the ancient Near Eastern creator god in pre-Abrahamic tradition).

In Jewish scripture Elohim is used as a descriptive title for the God of the scriptures.

Allah in Christianity:

So do we know what was the language of Jesus?? Not only Jesus but his total public ministry and his companions spoke Aramaic.

The Aramaic word for "God" in the language of Assyrian Christians is ʼĔlāhā, or Alaha. Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God". The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for "God" than "Allah". (Even the Arabic-descended Maltese language of Malta, whose population is almost entirely Roman Catholic, uses Alla for "God".) Arab Christians, for example, use the terms Allāh al-ab (الله الأب) for God the Father, Allāh al-ibn (الله الابن) for God the Son, and Allāh al-rūḥ al-quds (الله الروح القدس) for God the Holy Spirit. (See God in Christianity for the Christian concept of God.) Arab Christians have used two forms of invocations that were affixed to the beginning of their written works. They adopted the Muslim bismillāh, and also created their own Trinitized bismillāh as early as the 8th century. The Muslim bismillāh reads: "In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful." The Trinitized bismillāh reads: "In the name of Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, One God." The Syriac, Latin and Greek invocations do not have the words "One God" at the end.
According to Marshall Hodgson, it seems that in the pre-Islamic times, some Arab Christians made pilgrimage to the Kaaba, a pagan temple at that time, honoring Allah there as God the Creator. Some archaeological excavation quests have led to the discovery of ancient pre-Islamic inscriptions and tombs made by Arabic-speaking Christians in the ruins of a church at Umm el-Jimal in Northern Jordan, which contained references to Allah as the proper name of God, and some of the graves contained names such as "Abd Allah" which means "the servant/slave of Allah". The name Allah can be found countless times in the reports and the lists of names of Christian martyrs in South Arabia, as reported by antique Syriac documents of the names of those martyrs from the era of the Himyarite and Aksumite kingdoms.

A Christian leader named Abd Allah ibn Abu Bakr ibn Muhammad was martyred in Najran in 523, as he had worn a ring that said "Allah is my lord". In an inscription of Christian martyrion dated back to 512, references to Allah can be found in both Arabic and Aramaic, which called him "Allah" and "Alaha", and the inscription starts with the statement "By the Help of Allah". In pre-Islamic Gospels, the name used for God was "Allah", as evidenced by some discovered Arabic versions of the New Testament written by Arab Christians during the pre-Islamic era in Northern and Southern Arabia. Pre-Islamic Arab Christians have been reported to have raised the battle cry "Ya La Ibad Allah" (O slaves of Allah) to invoke each other into battle. "Allah" was also mentioned in pre-Islamic Christian poems by some Ghassanid and Tanukhid poets in Syria and Northern Arabia.

Sources used: Wikipedia

So yes, Allah was known way way before Muhammad(pbuh) was born. Actually Allah Is Allah, the eternal and everlasting.

The Jesus (peace be on him), I know, whom I love as a Muslim, came to confirm a simple message-No brain gymnastic.

1.There is only ONE God, whom all depend. He begets not, nor is He begotten; And none is like Him.

2.He Jesus (peace be on him), like all messengers, was a prophet send only to convey the message of glad tiding to believers and warning of dire punishment to unbelievers. He never ascribe any divinity to himself, as either GOD, Son or operating partnership with God( trinity).

Later scribe exaggerated and invented Jesus divinity. Do your research it is actually worth doing.

Peace be on you(the reader)[b][/b]

Way to heaven.
Believe in Allah (God) as your Lord, which requires surrendering to your creator. Our Creator is one the absolute, without son, wife or the so called trinity

Believe you will be resurected.

Do all that is good and avoid that is evil.

Accept that Allah send messages(such as Taurat, Gospel and Quran) to guide mankind.So accept the messages and the prophets sent.

Way to heaven.
Believe in Allah (God) as your Lord, which requires surrendering to your creator. Our Creator is one the absolute, without son, wife or the so called trinity

Believe you will be resurected.

Do all that is good and avoid that is evil.