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truthman2012: @ ayenny02


You call them contradictions because of your carnal and shallow knowledge of the Bible. There are many passages of the Bible you have alleged as contradictions in this thread that I have clearly explained to you. Your new contradictions are the same thing - lack of the Spirit and Knowledge to understand the Bible.

You were not defending any of my post related to contradiction. These below are the superior one among those i have bn posted to you and failed woefully to comment on it.

1a). 2 Samuel 24:1
24 And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

1b). 1 Chronicles 21:1
21 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

QUESTION------( is lord of david then satan)


2a). 2 Samuel 8:4
4 And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: and David houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them for an hundred chariots.

2b). 1 Chronicles 18:4
4 And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: David also houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them an hundred chariots.

QUESTION--(seven hundred OR seven thousand)


3a). 2 Samuel 10:18
18 And the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew the men of seven hundred chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand horsemen, and smote Shobach the captain of their host, who died there.

3b). 1 Chronicles 19:18
18 But the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew of the Syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand footmen, and killed Shophach the captain of the host.

QUESTION--(seven hundred chariots OR seven thousand men? Forty thousand horsemen OR footmen? Shobach OR shophach)


4a). 2 Kings 8:26
26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel

4b). 2 Chronicles 22:2
2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

QUESTION---( twenty two OR forty two years)


5a). 2 Kings 24:8
8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

5b). 2 Chronicles 36:9
9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord.

QUESTION---(eighteen yrs OR eight yrs? Three mths OR three mths and ten days)


FROM NEW TESTAMENT

1a). John 5:37
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

1b). John 14:9
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?


2a). John 5:31
31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

2b). John 8:14
14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.


ARE U SURE THAT THE BIBLE IS HOLY (YES or NO) ]

truthman2012: @ ayenny02


I leave you in the hand of the Lord but remenber, despite the nature of the quran, Allah knows Jesus is the Saviour (MESSIAH). Quran 4:171

Q4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.]

truthman2012: @ ayenny02


Jesus has been revealing Himself to many muslims, buddist, etc, those who received God's mercy. I pray you will one of them.

How was jesus revealed himself to people?
was it through physical appearance or dream?
how did you recognised him as jesus?
Can you show me how jesus look like?
Can you differentiate btw Jesus and Satan?

Embrace Islam, the religion of The One True Living Undivided GOD Almighty, and you will be saved!

truthman2012: @ ayenny02

When Moses received revelation he saw a picture and heard a voice. Mary and Zachariah saw Gabriel and heard his voice. What all of these people heard were put down in writing.

(another lies)who voice and picture did moses heard and seen

Who voice mary and Zacharian saw and heard, who put it down in writing (another lies)]

truthman2012: @ ayenny02

How did Muhammad receive his first revelation he was sent to recite? In writing, picture or voice. What did Gabriel tell him at his first appearance that he expected him to recite as the first thing he said was Read/Recite? So simple.

your question has been answered three times go back and read again]

truthman2012: @ ayenny02



I have to stop my discussions with you. I can see you are already high with islamic spirit -VIOLENCE. My defending you contradictions, which I have already written down in my note is a waste of time.

you will one of them.

I have already known that you will run away because you will never never explain those verses, you already known that it was plain contradiction without doubt.
WHY DO YOU FOLLOW THE RELIGION THAT FULL OF LIES, FALSEHOOD AND CONTRADICTION

Embrace Islam, the religion of The One True Living Undivided GOD Almighty, and you will be saved!

truthman2012: @ ayenny02

All you have stated does not answer my questions. Is that you don't understand them or you are pretending?

Let me reframe the questions may be you will understand this time: Gabriel appeared to Muhammad for the first time. He did not bring any written document and commanded him to 'Read'. Read what? Is that not a LIE? Yes or No.

I can see now you have problem of READ, RECITE, PROCLAIM, pls go to any Higher institution ask for Arabic lecture tell him you want to know the arabic word IQRA maybe from there you will get if you can't use google to get the meaning of IQRA. Quran is an Arabic book not English.
DO YOU UNDERSTANDDD!!!!!!]

truthman2012: @ ayenny02


You said Gabriel brought the revelations from Allah to Muhammad to recite to the people. Revelations can ONLY come in three ways: Writing, Voice or Picture.

Give me authoritative reference where the revelation come in WRITING, VOICE or PICTURE
I need answer (another lies expose)]

truthman2012: @ ayenny02


What the Quran says is 'READ' not RECITE because Allah teaches by PEN (writing). Allah does not teach by RECITATION. Why should Muhammad be ordered to read as an illiterate man?

Again, let me allow to go and find the word " IQRA" because you have a problem of language. I will advice for the next time if you want to go for the debate or anything against ISLAM just first and learn ARABIC LANGUAGE
16:103
We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear

highyo: God has given all power to Jesus Christ
We now deal with God trough Jesus Christ from now.

Psalm 62:11
Once God has spoken; twice have I heard this:
that power belongs to God (not Jesus]

highyo: He is the only gate to the kingdom of God
No one can get to God except trough christ. He is the one to present us to his Father (I AM)

Zephaniah 3:17
The LORD your God is in your midst,
a mighty one who will save;
he will rejoice over you with gladness;
he will quiet you by his love;
he will exult over you with loud singing]

highyo: Do you think if it was when we were still under law, God would have destroy us all because we have never walk in his way. Now we are now under grace, given to us trough Jesus Christ

Follow Jesus or Follow Paul?

The New Testament gives us a choice; either we follow Jesus Christ, or the anti-Christ Paul of Tarsus: Each one demands his followers to accept his teachings:

Be ye followers of me… that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered [them] to you. (1 Corinthians 11:1)

“If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed” (John 8:31)

Amazing, the former preached against the teachings of Jesus, and the latter, (Jesus) teaches that salvation is only attained by following him.

According to Deuteronomy 24:16, Ezekiel 18:20-21, and Micah 6:7-8, a man is responsible for his own sin. Jesus rejected the Pauline doctrine of “vicarious atonement”. Compare the two passages below:

And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. (Hebrews 9:22)

Jesus was teaching his disciples in the outer court of the Temple and one of them said unto him: Master, it is said by the priests that without shedding of blood there is no remission. Can then the blood offering of the law take away sin? And Jesus answered: No blood offering, of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood? Nay, it will increase the condemnation. (Gospel of the Nazorenes, Lection 33, verses 1-2)

The Gospel of Luke:

"The author's name does not appear in the book, but much unmistakable evidence points to Luke."  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1529)

Again, we don't know for sure whether it was Luke or not who wrote the "Gospel of Luke" since his name doesn't appear in the Book. The Gospel itself seems to be a compromising one to the Word of GOD. Let us look at the following:

"Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus" (Luke 1:3)

Few problems with this Gospel from the quote above:

-1- The author was not inspired, and knew for sure that he was not inspired by GOD Almighty to write the Book since he didn't mention about any divine inspiration, and he said "...since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning..." Where do we see GOD's inspiration in this?

-2- The author wrote it for the purpose of "...his most excellent Theophilus." Since when we compromise GOD Almighty and document His Holy Words for the purpose of other higher (in rank) human beings?

I say it again, I hope you see the real danger in making these assumptions when you are willing to DIE for the fact that such Gospel is the actual True Word of GOD Almighty!

Also, beside, what evidence are they talking about?!  The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years after Jesus.   So unless the Book/Gospel was signed by its author, there is no way we would know for sure that it was indeed his book from the first place, let alone considering as the True Living Word of GOD.


Luke 1:3
Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus

The following is from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

If Theophilus existed in either the 2nd or the 4th centuries then how could the writer of this gospel be the same Luke who is supposed to be with Jesus in the 1st century.

Maybe he lived to about 200 years ?


Embrace Islam, the religion of The One True Living Undivided GOD Almighty, and you will be saved!

shdemidemi: You can't trust a stranger you don't know, In a similar way, you can't trust God if you don't know him. From these quotes you are far from the understanding of the scriptures.

why can't you prove me wrong if truely you are the follower of jesus

Bidam: The Truth is simple really that Jesus Christ came and died for your sins and that if you believe and accept Him AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOUR you will be saved..shikena!

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"?  Can't GOD do anything he wills? 

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion?

mazaje: Firstly the so called scientific miracles in the Koran are vague, as I said there are also false scientific statements in the Koran as shown by many before. The ancient Greeks have made so many great scientific statements long before the Koran was written that could never have been known at that time, where they also inspired by their own Greek gods?. . .

Many of the things written in the Koran were already known by others in some parts of the world. The ancient Greeks knew most of those things very long before the Koran was penned down, some of the knowledge were available for thousands of years by the Greeks.

The ancient Greeks used what we now call observation, reasoning and science.

Democritus(460BC) held that the earth was round, and stated that originally the universe was comprised of nothing but tiny atoms churning in chaos, until they collided together to form larger units—including the earth and everything on it. He was the first to bring the idea of atoms. . . Democritus and Leucippus held that everything is composed of "atoms", which are physically, but not geometrically, indivisible; that between atoms, there lies empty space; that atoms are indestructible; have always been, and always will be, in motion; that there are an infinite number of atoms, and kinds of atoms, which differ in shape, and size. Of the mass of atoms, Democritus said "The more any indivisible exceeds, the heavier it is.

Anaximander was the first recorded person to suggest the Earth is a sphere. Erastothenes basically worked out the circumference. It was proven 1800 years later by Magellan's voyage.

400 B.C., Archytas of Tarentum asserts that sound was propogated by a medium (air or water)

Anaxagoras(510 B.C) thought that the sun was not just a small glowing circle of light. He thought of it as a very large glowing ball of rock, larger than the Peloponnese peninsula. For that belief he was exiled.


Aristarchus (310 B.C)suggests that the heavenly bodies revolve around the sun and calculated (because of the lack of parallax) that the stars were extremely far away. He presented the first known model that placed the Sun at the center of the known universe with the Earth revolving around it.

Pytheas(350 B.C) correctly asserts that tides are related to the phases of the moon.

Let's not forget to mention Plato, Pythgoras, etc.

These men all made scientific theories and predictions thousands of years before the Koran was written predictions that no body during their time could ever make or know. . .They did have the sophisticated equipment our modern scientist have but they were able to make magnificent discoveries and theories. . .To claim that most opf the scientific statements in the Koran which are mostly vague were not know at that time is just plain false, they might not be known by the Jews who wrote the bible but others knew about them. . .The ancient Greeks, knew about them, ancient Romans as well knew many things. . .

Blaaaabbblllaaaabbbllllaa.....................................pls don't commit suicide
Bring those Quran verses out and let do the analysis here

mazaje: I said even the Koran copies false stories from the bible and I gave examples of the exodus. . .The Jews were never enslaved in Egypt. . .

From wikipedia. . .

The consensus among biblical scholars today is that there was never any exodus of the proportions described in the Bible,[14] and that the story is best seen as theology, a story illustrating how the God of Israel acted to save and strengthen his chosen people, and not as history.

A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness,[3] and most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit"

The Jews were never enslaved in Egypt at any time, the had their origins from other the canaanites, the Koran also copied this very false story of Moses and the Jews in Egypt. They were never enslaved in Egypt, no Egyptian record any where states that. . .No historical record of archaeological records any of it, the consensus from scholars and Egyptamologist is that the exodus is non historical and never happened. . .

MR MAN, you like story too much, why you not quote the verses of that Exodu and verses of that of the Quran and bring it here to see. I don't know why you are ague without point, please google is your friend to search for the story record and bring it here if you don't see it where you copied those above. SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

mazaje: The original Torah was written in Hebrew and still is available. . .The gospels were originally written in Greek and they are still available. Where is the original one the Koran talks about so that we can read it and see that the text was corrupted?. . .Stop making blind assertions. . .

We must first of all know that the entire Bible is corrupted and unreliable and is mostly filled with man-made laws and corruption!  GOD Almighty Said: "How can you say, 'We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,' when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?" (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie."   (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:"

In either translation, we clearly see that the Jews had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws, that they had turned the Bible into a lie


THE GOSPEL OF MARK

"Although there is no direct internal evidence of authorship, it was the unanimous testimony of the early church that this Gospel was written by John Mark."  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1488)

So, in reality, we don't really know whether Mark was the sole author of this Gospel or not! And since The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus, then how are we to know for sure that the current "Gospel of Mark" wasn't written by some pro of Mark?

I hope you see the real danger in making these assumptions when you are willing to DIE for the fact that such Gospel is the actual True Word of GOD Almighty!

Further regarding this Gospel, we read the following commentary about Mark 16:9-20:

"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark.  They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark.  His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost."  (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)

This quote raises a very serious issue here.  First of all, as we've seen above in the first quote, we have no evidence that proves that John Mark was the sole author of this so called "Gospel".  Second of all, we see that this Gospel has some serious problems/suspicions in it.  The issue of Mark 16:9-20 is a scary one, because many Christian cults today use poisonous snakes in their worship and end up dying.  

Removing Mark 16:9-20 is quite appreciated by me personally (to be quite honest with you), because it prevents people from dying from snake bites.  But however, the serious issue of man's corruption of the Bible remains. 

We can be absolutely certain now that the above quotes prove without a doubt that the Bible is doubtful.  The quote "or its original ending has been lost" proves that what we call today "Gospels" were not written by their original authors such as Mark, John, Matthew, etc...  It proves that the Gospel had been tampered with by man.  Let alone considering it as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty. 

If John Mark wasn't the one who wrote Mark 16:9-20, then who did? And how can you prove the ownership of the other person? Let alone proving that it was GOD Almighty's Revelation.  And as we saw in the first quote above, we don't even know that John Mark was indeed the one who wrote the so called "Gospel of Mark".

To say the least in our case here, we now have enough evidence to discard the entire Gospel of Mark from the Bible, because you can't take bits and pieces of it and say some of it belongs to him and some of it doesn't!  Let alone considering the entire corrupted Gospel as the True Living Word of GOD Almighty, which is a complete blasphemy]

mazaje: Good, you can not claim that Oko means husband, car, garden and man's private part at the same time when taking about a single word, in a sentence, that is what muslims apologist do. Example if a sentence reads, My Oko is big, and my Oko is glorious. ..The muslim apologist will say, the Oko here means, my garden, motor, husband is big. He will not use just one meaning in context but wili apply all the meanings of the word and keeping formulating one tale after the other. . .

My friend don't stress yourself, go and learn Arabic language before you can back your claim by then I would expect you to know the truth. You can still go and learn it for the benefit of the truth you are looking for. DO YOU UNDERSTANDDDDD!!!!!!

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benzion72: Can you here your own prejudice. Roman history is wrong, Jewish history is wrong, Christian history is perverted. The only right is the revelation of Alquaran. Is that sound enough. Religious biogotry is too bad. No wonder Karl Max said Religion is the opium of the masses. For men not to be able to see simple truth and logic.
What religion is doing to the mind of people especially Islam is terrible. People believe so much in religion and they are ready to get virgin and drink a lot of wine in their fool Aljana paradise and will go ahead to get killed with innocent defenseless people in the name of Allah.

I taught you will go through my post and reply me with authoritative references. So u don't have anything to say again.

Furthermore, the Quran has not only avoided miraculously any of the contradictions and unscientific facts of the Bible, but also the Quran contains many scientific facts that were not mentioned in the Bible and could not have even been known at the time of Prophet Mohammad

The only way to explain this is the fact that God authored the Quran and is the same God that also had previously inspired the Gospel and Torah. Therefore, the Quran was not copied from the Bible. God simply chose to re-state in the Quran some of the important concepts and stories that God had previously inspired for the Gospel and Torah

highyo: @ ayeni I know even if you eventually seek for the truth and you knew all that were hidden from you, don't be shy of what people might say to you
Infact they may try to kill you but don't worry the lord will protect you

Stop deceiving yourself where, what is the truth u are talking about, the truth that you can't prove, the truth that lies, the truth that contradict itself, the truth that brought with falsehood, the truth with paganism, tell me is that the truth?

mazaje: The problem is, the Koran copied everything from the bible and even copied stories in the bible that are also non historical and myths, stories like the exodus, hope you know that even Jewish scholars are now acknowledging that the Jews were never enslaved in Egypt and that the exodus is NON historical. . .The bible was written by Jews for a religious purpose and to keep their religious identity intact. Thousands of years later an Arabic man came and claimed that he alone knows what the true stories are. Even professional archaeologist and historians NEVER use the Koran when studying on the biblical prophets, the bible and what it says about them is what they use. Nothing about any biblical prophet written in the Koran has any backing any where apart from the Koran. Apart from the Koran please which other souce from any where supports what was written about Jesus for example that is to be found in the Koran?. .

Mr Man you like story too too much, support urself with authoritative references from Bible, Quran, scientific, Encyclopedia etc. Also if you refer to anywhere in Bible pls quote the passage, don't just say anything from ur head.]

mazaje: Where is the original Torah and gospels and what do they say?. . .What does the original gospel and Torah say about Jesus and Moses for example. The original Torah is what we have, and the original gospels is still what we have, any other claim is false unless if you can provide the original one as you claim. Making a claim without providing any evidence is not something that deserves to be taken seriously. . .

Ask yourself where is original bible the old and new. Unless you tell me that JESUS was an ENGLISH MAN or MOSES WAS AN ENGLISH that they used ENGLISH LANGUAGE for their people]

mazaje: You keep using the Koran to judge the Koran, that's not hw it is done. There are scientific erros in the Koran as well and it has been pointed out by many, muslims keep claiming it is not true, I have debated this with tbaba before. . .Including going to great lengths to deny the facts. The starategy muslims use is this: They will claim a word in arabic has 10 different meanings and then they will go on to use the 10 different meanings to show that the Koran means this or that and all 10 meanings are applicable to the word in question at the same time.

If You want to criticize the Quran, I will advice you to go and learn Arabic language. For example if yoruba man mention "OKO" in yoruba language, it can refer to many thing like;
OKO..............HUSBAND
OKO..............MOTOR
OKO.............HOE
OKO.............GARDEN or FARM
OKO...........MAN PRIVATE PART
Tell me if you don't learn Yoruba language how would you differentiate it.

MAN!!!!!! YOU HAVE NO POINT

mazaje: The problem is many people that openly criticize the Koran are all under death threats, example Ibn warraq and many like him who criticize the Koran and its authorship openly. They have come with their own narrative of how the Koran came about but the problem is they have all been threathened with death. . . .Iban Waraqa does not even want to reveal his identity for fear of being killed by muslim fanatics. . .The truth shoulkd always speak for itself, no need killing people and issuing fatwas because the islamic narrative is challened , the truth does not need to be defended with blood. . .The truth should always stand on its own. . .

Mr MAN, you like story too much, why not prove the authorship of the Quran here for me and let see ur authoritative references ]

mazaje: The bible can match the Koran word for word. . .The verders can match the Koran word for word. . .What exatcly is inside the Koran that can not be found in other religious text?. . .

don't compare Quran with the Bible, the different is clear let me give two verses from Quran and bring the same of it from Bible:
“Or do they say that he has invented it? Say (to them), ‘Bring ten invented chapters like it, and call (for help) on whomever you can besides God, if you are truthful.” (Quran 11:13)

Allah says: "Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur‘an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)." [Surah Al-Hijr, 15: 9]

And whoever seeks a faith other than Al-Islam Then never shall it be accepted from him And he shall in the Future be a looser.(Quran 3:85)]

mazaje: Even the Koran was written down since inception on skins, bones leaves, etc according to islamic sources. . .To claim that it was only memorized is not factually. . .

Bring those who memorised the New testament among the disciples of jesus? Before I expose those who write it A-Z

benzion72: People are are saying the scripture of Christian is lost, not true, Pauline and what have you.

if the Bible not lost, can you prove tp me and also name those disciples of jesus christ that among those who compiled the New testament]

benzion72: Forget Bible history is Roman history lost. Is there not Empror Ceaser who ask them that they should conduct census. And are there no Herod in roman history and is there no Pontus Pilate, all in Roman history. Did Pilate not sign crucifixion of Jesus Christ and said Behold of the king of the Jews.

Don't you know that those Empror Ceaser, Augustus, julius were those who introduce most of the christianity doctrine after the life of the Jesus and his disciples.
Let me give some details about them.
New year’s day is the biggest festival of the yearfor many christians. Christian believe new year marks another year since the “death of jesus. They believe that the year belongs to jesus christ; therefore the year is called Anno Domini, i.e “the year of the Lord (Christ)”, that is, the number of the year since Jesus “died”.
The first new year was celebrated in 713 BC. The guinness Book of Answer says, “The first recorded new year’s festival is that constituted by Numa 713 BC and dedicated to Janus

Easter is the period when christian celebrate the”death” and “resurrection” of Jesus Christ. It is a major celebration becos it is on the belief in the crucificaxion of jesus that christianity hangs.

“The celebration of Easter is believed to have begun in about 68 AD. The english word easter probably comes from Eostre, a saxon goddess whose festival was celebrated about the time of the vernal equinox” Easter was thus unknown to the disciples of Jesus Christ. (Guinness Book of Answer)
Encyclopaedia Btitannica says that “the Anglo-saxon priest venerable bede in the 8th century derived the word Easter from the Anglo-saxon spring goddess Eostre”

And many more if you require for it]

benzion72: Please think and use your mind for once. Early christian history also testify to the tyranny of the papacy. Plugging the whole world into dark ages. Until like of Martin Luther King use their head and their mind to think and we get of the dark age. Islamic world is still in the dark ages. Where people kill in the name of God, and are ready to maim in the name of God of Kabbah. And in killing human being they will still pray Bismilai Ramoni Roin.

If only people will think for once their eye will be opened

You don't have point, you will see Christian, Muslim,Atheism, pagan that claimed the same thing

mazaje: This is the islamic narrative, all the stories of the Koran were borrowed from the jews and the christians. .

Haters of Islam, particularly from among the Christians and Jews make this accusation because Islam competes directly with and challenges Christianity and Judaism.

Islam preaches and agrees with most of the basic beliefs of Christianity and Judaism, yet, at the same time, differs with Christianity and Judaism on few important doctrines and Islam points out the errors and deviations introduced to the original messages of Jesus and Moses.

So it is natural to find similarities between the Quran and the Bible in the doctrines and the stories mentioned in these Books. Of course, the current Bible is a distorted version of the original Gospel and Torah, but still contains traces of the truth.
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mazaje: This is the islamic narrative, all the stories of the Koran were borrowed from the jews and the christians. . .

If the Quran was copied or paraphrased from the Bible, the author of Quran would have copied everything from the Bible that does not contradict with the basic doctrines of Islam. It is well-known that the Bible contains many contradictions and false scientific facts.

So, why the contradictions or unscientific facts of the Bible do not appear in the Quran. No human being could have been able to detect all the contradictions & unscientific facts. Many of the unscientific facts of the Bible could not have been proven to be false at the time the Quran was revealed.

The Quran states that the Quran, in by itself, is the most important miracle that Prophet Mohammad has brought to humanity. Since Prophet Mohammad was intended to be the last prophet and the Quran was the last message, God decided to give people a unique miracle that can be examined and experienced by not only people who lived at the time of the prophet, but for the hundreds of years to come. So, it was natural for God to choose Quran to be such a miracle.

That is why the Arabic Quran is a unique miracle. The only book in the world authored by God himself, word by word, and that is still available today in its original form. People throughout the Ages have wondered whether they can see God or something that can be attributed directly to God. The Quran is the answer. It is available today for all humans to experience how God expresses himself in words.

The Quran is a book of knowledge with a uniquely captivating style, in which every verse is a sign from God. Each word used in the Arabic Quran was uniquely chosen by God for a purpose. You can not add or subtract a word to/from the Quran, without the corruption becoming noticeable. Scholars have discovered some  hidden logic structures (codes) in the Quran that prove its authenticity and help in protecting its integrity from corruption.]

mazaje: What are the names of the companions of the propehts that memoried the koran?. . .

Allah Glorious and Exalted said in His Book which falsehood cannot approach in the least: "And in truth We have made the Quran easy to remember; but is there any that remembereth?" (54:17, 25)

The men and women Companions known as the memorizers of Qur'an (al-qurra') were:

1-4. The Four Rightly-Guided Caliphs. However, Abu Bakr and `Umar died before memorizing it completely, while `Uthman and `Ali were among those who gathered (jama`a) the Qur'an in the time of the Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him. `Uthman was one of those who used to recite the entire Qur'an in one day and night.

5. `Abd Allah ibn Mas`ud
6. Salim, Mawla Abi Hudhayfa
7. Mu`adh ibn Jabal
8. Ubay ibn Ka`b
9. Zayd ibn Thabit
10. Abu Zayd
11. Abu al-Darda'
12. Abu Musa al-Ash`ari
13. `Abd Allah ibn `Amr ibn al-`As
14. Talha ibn `Ubayd Allah
15. Sa`d ibn Abi Waqqas
16. Hudhayfa ibn al-Yaman
17. Abu Hurayra
18. `Abd Allah ibn al-Sa'ib
19. `Abd Allah ibn `Umar
20. `Abd Allah ibn `Abbas
21. `Abd Allah ibn al-Zubayr
22. `A'isha bint Abi Bakr
23. Hafsa bint `Umar
24. Umm Salama
25. `Ubada ibn al-Samit
26. Mu`adh Abu Halima
27. Mujammi` ibn Jariya
28. Fadala ibn `Ubayd
29. Maslama ibn Mukhallad
30. Anas ibn Malik
31. Umm Waraqa bint `Abd Allah ibn al-Harith
32. Abu Umama al-Bahili
33. `Utba ibn `Amir
34. Tamim al-Dari -- Allah be well-pleased with them all)

When the above are added to the seventy Ansar who were killed in the battle of Yamama against Musaylima the Arch-Liar, and who were all memorizers of the Qur'an (qurra') [Bukhari and Muslim], the number of the Companions who had memorized the Qur'an rises to over a hundred.

This number excludes the numerous Companions -- whether named or unnamed -- whose status of memorizers did not reach us through isnad, as well as the women of both the Muhajirin and the Ansar. All of this memorizing was mass-transmitted. The numbers of the next generations, of course, keep rising exponentially in identical fashion of transmission, and praise belongs to Allah.

truthman2012: @ ayenny02

I cannot find in all your posts where you said Gabriel did not tell a LIE when he said 'READ' and he did not come with any written document to be read. OR 'Recite' when he had not said anything to be recited.

[I can see that you have been shaking becos I asked you to explain those contradiction for me and you want to use style to cover it, don't worry I will still explain it for you if you don't see the previous one.
Qur'an is the memorization and transmission of the actual "Recitation" just as it came to Prophet Mohammad, from the Almighty God (Allah) through the Angel Gabriel,

Gabriel said to Prophet to Recite (Gabriel brought the revelation from God to the Prophet while the Prophet will be reciting it to the people)
The Prophet said. "I cannot recite," he had repeated. "Recite!" and the angel had replied:

Recite, in the Name of your Lord who created, created man from a clot, Recite, and your Lord is the Most Gracious, He Who taught (the writing)by the pen, taught man what he did not know. (Quran 96:1-5)

N:B; There are no different versions of the Qur'an in the Arabic language, only different translations, but none of these would be considered to hold the value and authenticity of the original Arabic version. IQRA can mean recite, proclaim, read etc but the Arabic word is IQRA that is where you have problem becos you don't understand Arabic language ]

truthman2012: @ ayenny02


You have not even answered how Allah taught Muhammad by pen (writing) and yet he could not read and write till he died. Is Allah a good teacher? What is your answer?

[you don't need to be shaking becos I asked you to defend those contradiction that is the reason you don't see my post very well. I quoted the first revealation that Gabriel recited to the Prophet when He was in the cave, and you misquote me.

These are the verses again:
96:1-5
1. Proclaim! (or recite!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created
2. Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:
3. Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful
4. He Who taught (the writing)by the pen,-
5. Taught man that which he knew not.]

truthman2012: @ ayenny02

What is your answer?

I have answered you again. Pls I need explanation on those verses, don't shake again and cool down to answer my question

ARE U SURE THAT THE BIBLE IS HOLY (YES or NO)

1a). 2 Samuel 24:1
24 And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

1b). 1 Chronicles 21:1
21 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

QUESTION------( is lord of david then satan)


2a). 2 Samuel 8:4
4 And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: and David houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them for an hundred chariots.

2b). 1 Chronicles 18:4
4 And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: David also houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them an hundred chariots.

QUESTION--(seven hundred OR seven thousand)


3a). 2 Samuel 10:18
18 And the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew the men of seven hundred chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand horsemen, and smote Shobach the captain of their host, who died there.

3b). 1 Chronicles 19:18
18 But the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew of the Syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand footmen, and killed Shophach the captain of the host.

QUESTION--(seven hundred chariots OR seven thousand men? Forty thousand horsemen OR footmen? Shobach OR shophach)


4a). 2 Kings 8:26
26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel

4b). 2 Chronicles 22:2
2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

QUESTION---( twenty two OR forty two years)


5a). 2 Kings 24:8
8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

5b). 2 Chronicles 36:9
9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord.

QUESTION---(eighteen yrs OR eight yrs? Three mths OR three mths and ten days)


FROM NEW TESTAMENT

1a). John 5:37
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

1b). John 14:9
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?


2a). John 5:31
31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

2b). John 8:14
14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.


ARE U SURE THAT THE BIBLE IS HOLY (YES or NO)

highyo: Seek for the truth and the truth shall set you free.

1. The image you see around that people call Jesus is not Jesus, infact it's a fake. And I don't need to tell you about the acting jesus

[which truth is that, can you please prove that truth without doubt?]

highyo: 2. You saw allah written on a rock, when a thunder strike at eruwa
A goat gave birth to allah goat,
A new baby boy was preaching allah

All these has make you concluded that, allah is the trough God?

["We will show them Our signs in all the regions of the earth and in their own souls until they clearly see that this is the truth..." (Surah Fussilat 41:53)]

highyo: If you want to know the true God, when you are alone, say this on your kneel

God of heaven and earth I'm I truly serving you? Please review the truth to me. If you do not appear to me, I will conclude I'm on the right part, but if I'm wrong, pls do not judge me.

Say this prayer with a sincere heart
God that sees everything in your heart if you are serious or not will give you an answer

Is that how Jesus taught you how to pray?

Mintayo: Jesus who came to die for d sins of d world(dey will neva accept that)-christain Jesus is d son of God,He is d first and d last,and d ancient of days!

[
I don't why people still belief in resurrection where Bible itself didn't support the resurrection.

You see, the disciples of Jesus were not EYE witnessess or EAR-witnesses to the actual happenings of the previous three days, as vouched for by Mark who says that at the most critical juncture in the life of Jesus, "they all forsook him and fled." (Mark 14:50).

All the knowledge of the disciples regarding their Master was from hearsay. They had heard that their master was HANGED ON THE CROSS; they had heard that he had GIVEN UP THE GHOST; they had heard that he was DEAD AND BURIED FOR THREE DAYS. ]

Mintayo: And do u knw d fun of it;He will judge everyone including mohammed and d whole world shall bow on there knees to worship Him!

Jesus is Lord

[just pray that those people who you believed that killed him shud not be in the world becos they will still do the samething for him. The person who will judge the world can't save himself from those who killed him and crucified him from ur belief]

Mintayo: and d whole world shall bow on there knees to worship Him!

Why jesus not worshiped himself when he has problem?
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt]. (Matthew 26:39

Mintayo: congrats on ur conversion my dear-d truth is that dis muslims dt are abusing u and condemning will soon come and see d light(i knw it pains them)-it doesnt take d Holy Spirit anything to convert ppl-but our God is not a God of FORCE;

[Which light you are talking about? Or the light which Paul saw on his way to damascus for persecution. Sorry tell me which is correct here: Acts 22:9
9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they HEARD NOT THE VOICE of him that spake to me.

Act 9:7
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, HEARING A VOICE, but seeing no man


QUESTION---(HEARD NOT THE VOICE OR HEARING A VOICE)]

Mintayo: Jesus apearing to pple in different ways-that is why His coming to earth as a MAN to save mankind is a mystery to them

[If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"?  Can't GOD do anything he wills? 

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion?]

Mintayo: Whether true or false-THE MESSAGE HAS BEEN PASSED!
God bless you!

Which message? Lies abi?

favored4real: I assume that you really want to learn about this thing and that is why I will bother to offer the following explanations:

John 7:19 - Did not Moses give you the law , and yet none of you keepeth the law ? Why go ye about to kill me?
[size=14pt]POINT 1:[/size] Here, Jesus was addressing the Jews. None of them kept the law NOT even the Pharisees with their diluted version of the law.

Matthew 5:17 -Think not that I am come to destroy the law , or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
[size=14pt]POINT 2:[/size] Jesus clearly stated in the above passage that He came to fulfill the law.

[size=16pt]CONCLUSION:[/size] The law came 430 years after God had made a covenant with Abraham - Galatians 3:17. This covenant was purely based on the grace of God. Abraham did not have to perform for God to bless him. This covenant operated in the lives of the children of Israel until the left Egypt and that was why even with their complaints and murmurings in the wilderness, God had mercy upon them. However, once the law came into operation through Moses, the Israelites were required to perform in order to receive God's blessings. I dare to mention here that it was their arrogance that brought about the law (Exodus 19: verse eight). Their disobedience also brought harsh consequences upon their lives. It was a law of sin and death. If you offended in one, you became guilty of all of them. The law condemned all that were under it.

Then, entered the purposes of God for His Son, Jesus Christ. he was the only one that could fulfill the demands of the law. I don't know why it is difficult for anyone to understand. JESUS HIMSELF SAID THAT HE CAME TO FULFILL THE LAW.

[Agreed Jesus followed the law]

favored4real: He died the death of the cross. He died to redeem all of us from the demands of the law. He rose again that we may be justified before God. So, anyone that will appropriate this sacrifice of Jesus, believe Him and confess Him as Lord and Savior will be saved from their sins as well.

[Can you tell me in Bible where jesus said after my dead o, you should not follow the law]

favored4real: Finally, what is all this talk about 'commandments'? What are the commandments of Jesus? He gave us a new commandment, NOT the law. He said in John 3:34 - 35: "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."

However, there is really no argument here! If you want to leave under the law with the old commandments, please feel free BUT remember that you are NOT permitted to fail in even one - James 2:10. I prefer to leave in the grace of all that Jesus Christ has accomplished for me. I prefer this grace dispensation that is based on better promises - Hebrews 8:6. The choice is yours. The sons of God are invited to read more at: http:///16LXWkk

If you can't quote the verses where jesus himself said you shud not follow the law after my death definitely you are on wrong path. You better leave that falsehood and seek the right path

mazaje: You gave the opinion of a few individuals who happen to be converted muslims and the went ahead by begging the question.

[Why not Bring ur own opinion to support ur claim]

mazaje: The Koran is not a special book, it does not have a divinve origin and reads like any other book, if the Koran is so special when then is it that it does not appeal to many who read it even in the original arabic, many people learn arabic just so that they can get a good grasp of the Koran.

[“And if you all are in doubt about what I have revealed to My servant, bring a single chapter like it, and call your witnesses besides God if you are truthful.” (Quran 2:23]

mazaje: I said many books have been written that are better than the Koran. Bring one thing written inside the Koran that is not better explained in other books, just one. . .

How many other works of literary value have been memorized and passed down through many generations in its original language, without a single change?

CAN WE COMPARE THESE BELOW WITH THE QURAN

The New Testament was written under the influence of Paul, the four Gospel writers were Gentile converts to Pauline Christianity. Hence, there is nothing Jewish about the New Testament, it was solely written for Pauline Christians whose background was pagan.

The Hebrew Scriptures of the Nazarenes and Ebionites were destroyed by the Pauline Church. The original sayings of Jesus were lost forever. The New Testament today exists in Greek, and not Hebrew or Aramaic, the spoken tongues of Jesus.

The Gospel of Matthew seems to be the “most Jewish” book in the New Testament, 

Luke was a Gentile and not eye-witness

Mark was Barnabas’s nephew and not eye-witness

John was martyred decades before the Gospel (bearing his name) was even written.

Nevertheless, the four Gospels are NOT mentioned by name before the year 190 CE. We have scholarly quotations to back this claim.

Unfortunately, the sources we have on Jesus are very scarce and scanty, Ignatius (died 110 CE) records the baptism of Jesus but he fails to record any thing else.

The Apostolic Church Fathers never mention the miracles in the Gospels; they fail to mention the four Gospels by name. The story of the “resurrection” (as told in the Gospels) was fabricated later because they fail to record it. The seven epistles of Ignatius fall into the category of silence, they speak nothing about Jesus.

Paul has written his own personal account of the “resurrection” which contradicts the Gospels. In conclusion, the Gospels are fabricated because Philo Judaeus and many other historians fail to mention their supernatural events.

The New Testament makes it clear that nobody witnessed the “resurrection”, the disciples never witnessed the “resurrection”, they all ‘forsook him and fled’ at Gethsemane.

CAN WE COMPARE THESE TO THE WRITTEN OF QURAN WHERE THE QURAN REVEALED FROM GOD TO THE PROPHET THROUGH ANGEL JIBRIL TO THE COMPANIONS OF THE PROPHET THAT THEY MEMORISED THE WHOLE QURAN IN LIFE OF THE PROPHET.

ayenny02: @truthman2012, please I need ur answer

ARE U SURE THAT THE BIBLE IS HOLY (YES or NO)

1a). 2 Samuel 24:1
24 And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

1b). 1 Chronicles 21:1
21 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

QUESTION------( is lord of david then satan)


2a). 2 Samuel 8:4
4 And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: and David houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them for an hundred chariots.

2b). 1 Chronicles 18:4
4 And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: David also houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them an hundred chariots.

QUESTION--(seven hundred OR seven thousand)


3a). 2 Samuel 10:18
18 And the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew the men of seven hundred chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand horsemen, and smote Shobach the captain of their host, who died there.

3b). 1 Chronicles 19:18
18 But the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew of the Syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand footmen, and killed Shophach the captain of the host.

QUESTION--(seven hundred chariots OR seven thousand men? Forty thousand horsemen OR footmen? Shobach OR shophach)


4a). 2 Kings 8:26
26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel

4b). 2 Chronicles 22:2
2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

QUESTION---( twenty two OR forty two years)


5a). 2 Kings 24:8
8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

5b). 2 Chronicles 36:9
9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord.

QUESTION---(eighteen yrs OR eight yrs? Three mths OR three mths and ten days)


FROM NEW TESTAMENT

1a). John 5:37
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

1b). John 14:9
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?


2a). John 5:31
31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

2b). John 8:14
14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.


ARE U SURE THAT THE BIBLE IS HOLY (YES or NO)

I need explanation

truthman2012: Why were you lying before. It means I know the quran perfectly more than you do and I exposed your LIE.

[Only One Version – Arabic: There are no different versions of the Qur'an in the Arabic language, only different translations, but none of these would be considered to hold the value and authenticity of the original Arabic version. So, you don't know nothing about Quran]

truthman2012: You have still not said anything about Gabriel starting his revelations with LIES, VIOLENCE and WICKEDNESS. Was that how the true God revealed His words before Muhammad? Yet you called the quran 'holy'. What is holy about a book containing LIES, VIOLENCE and WICKEDNESS?

[your question has been answered go back and read again.]

truthman2012: It does not matter the status the quran (Satan) gives Jesus (Son or Messenger), the TRUTH is that it is only Him who has the power to save. The Devil has no choice but to declare Him the MESSIAH.

Mark 15:34 says "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?....WHY CAN'T HE SAVED HIMSELF

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"?  Can't GOD do anything he wills? 

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion

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