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truthman2012: YES. YES. YES

This long post will derail the topic. It should be posted under what you people call Contradictions. See u there.

please I need explanation how ur answer is YES

truthman2012: You keep dodging something: What do you see to Gabriel starting his revelations with LIES, VIOLENCE and WICKEDNESS?

You people have started replacing Allah's revelations like Muhammad did in his life time? Are you are trying to 'perfect' it?

Pickthall 4:171
O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The MESSIAH, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him.......

See also Shakir 4:171. I am not surprised you are lying, you practice a lying religion. A religion that the foundation started with FALSEHOOD.

Thank God you accepted that JESUS IS A MESSENGER OF ALLAH and SON OF MARY not a Son of ALLAH, so the next thing for u now to accept islam as your religion

mazaje: I don't know what to make of this. . .Why should the Koran be read in arabic to have true meaning?. . .Even if read in Arabic it still isn't be best book to be written and there is nothing insie that you can point to that could not be written by humans, humans have written better books that explain the world around us and other systems much better than the Koran. . .

"Between our hands, there is a book which is unique in its authenticity and faultless, undoubted about its correctness as it is first revealed,

 This book is the Qur'an." Michel Heart (American researcher) in his well known book "Top 100"

 
1.    ‪‬The Qur'an is Unique.

Vone Hammer (orientalist) in the preface of his translation of the Qur'an says:

"Qur'an is not only the constitution of Islam; it is the peak of the Arabic eloquence. Its amazing diction witnesses that it is a revelation from God and that these words can never be from a human source. Mohammed has spread his power by the miracle of eloquence."

 
Why the Qur'an is Unique?

Only One Version – Arabic: There are no different versions of the Qur'an in the Arabic language, only different translations, but none of these would be considered to hold the value and authenticity of the original Arabic version.

Memorized by Millions – Entirely: An important thing in the Qur'an is the memorization and transmission of the actual "Recitation" just as it came to Prophet Mohammad, from the Almighty God (Allah) through the Angel Gabriel, and was learned and memorized by his companions and passed it down to their followers and continued in this way until we see today, over ten millions Muslims who have committed the entire Qur'an to memory.

This is not a small feat. How many other works of literary value have been memorized and passed down through many generations in its original language, without a single change?

Each Muslim Has "Qur'an" Memorized: All Muslims have memorized a portion of the Qur'an in the Arabic language, Many Muslims have memorized large portions of the Qur'an from one tenth to one half to all of the entire Qur'an, and all in the original Arabic language. It should be noted, there are over one and a half billion Muslims worldwide and only about 15% are Arab, all the rest are learning the Qur'an in Arabic as a second language.

Qur'an Challenges Readers: The Qur'an makes the clear challenge. If you are in doubt about it, then bring a book like it, bring ten chapters like it and then finally, to bring one single chapter like it. 1,400 years - and no one has been able to duplicate its beauty, recitation, miracles and ease of memorization. Qur'an says:

God said in Quran“Say: ‘If all mankind and the jinn would come together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like even though they exerted all and their strength in aiding one another.’” (Quran 17:88)


ANOTHER VERSES
Almighty says:’’And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our  servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If  there are any) besides God, if your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.’’ (Al-Baqara –the Cow-: 23-24)


ANOTHER VERSE
“Or do they say that he has invented it? Say (to them), ‘Bring ten invented chapters like it, and call (for help) on whomever you can besides God, if you are truthful.” (Quran 11:13)


ANOTHER VERSE
“And if you all are in doubt about what I have revealed to My servant, bring a single chapter like it, and call your witnesses besides God if you are truthful.” (Quran 2:23)

ALSO ANOTHER ONE
God says: "We have without doubt, sent down the message and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption.)" (15:9

@truthman2012, please I need ur answer

ARE U SURE THAT THE BIBLE IS HOLY (YES or NO)

1a). 2 Samuel 24:1
24 And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

1b). 1 Chronicles 21:1
21 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

QUESTION------( is lord of david then satan)


2a). 2 Samuel 8:4
4 And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: and David houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them for an hundred chariots.

2b). 1 Chronicles 18:4
4 And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: David also houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them an hundred chariots.

QUESTION--(seven hundred OR seven thousand)


3a). 2 Samuel 10:18
18 And the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew the men of seven hundred chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand horsemen, and smote Shobach the captain of their host, who died there.

3b). 1 Chronicles 19:18
18 But the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew of the Syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand footmen, and killed Shophach the captain of the host.

QUESTION--(seven hundred chariots OR seven thousand men? Forty thousand horsemen OR footmen? Shobach OR shophach)


4a). 2 Kings 8:26
26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel

4b). 2 Chronicles 22:2
2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

QUESTION---( twenty two OR forty two years)


5a). 2 Kings 24:8
8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

5b). 2 Chronicles 36:9
9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord.

QUESTION---(eighteen yrs OR eight yrs? Three mths OR three mths and ten days)


FROM NEW TESTAMENT

1a). John 5:37
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

1b). John 14:9
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?


2a). John 5:31
31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

2b). John 8:14
14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.


ARE U SURE THAT THE BIBLE IS HOLY (YES or NO)

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truthman2012: There is nowhere I accepted the Bible is full of lies. You misterpret my statement as you misinterpret the Bible.

You have nothing to say to Muhammad false prophethood and Satan that pretended as God to him. You see nothing wrong with Gabriel's LIES, VIOLENCE and WICKEDNESS with which he started his revelations. The next thing is to talk ill of Jesus who your quran recorgnises as MESSIAH (Quran 4:171).

Do you know the meaning of MESSIAH? Saviour, Deliverer, Anointed. Depite the lies of Allah, it was too much for him to deny the divine TRUTH that Jesus is the SAVIOUR. Jesus is in-charge of saving mankind, your unbelief does not make any difference.

What excuse do you still have for not accepting Jesus as your SAVIOUR? The Bible says it, the Quran says it. If you love your soul, you had better come to Him.

Q4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Pls where did you see your own translation. Atleast you shud have accepted that Jesus was just a messenger of God not son of God. Maybe you did not read it very well.

Brother, leave the falsehood and accept the truth religion

highyo: Love your comments sir

Hello Mr OP, pls don't dodge my question, am still expecting ur answer on all my question. IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T DEFEND YOUR TREAD, WHY DID YOU OPEN IT?

You better leave ur falsehood and accept true religion

highyo: One thing I want you to understand is this, heaven is not meant for any religion that will not confess christ as their lord.
God is not a muslim, why? Jesus is not a muslim, and Jesus is a jew, he is the key to heaven. You have to confess him as your lord before you can get to heaven.

Satan himself introduce this religion
In book of ezikiel:8 16-19 and God called this type of worship disgusting

If God love this type of religion, why will he plan to destroy the islamic countries psalm83
Isaiah 63
Ezikiel 28,29,30,

Why muslim countries? Why will God want to reign in jerusalem anD not mecca?
Abraham never build a kabba. Zach12 and 14 warn the muslim so much
The message between mohamed and quran is very satanic

Islamic begin 1000years after christ, and that is why he warned us about false prophet and mohamed is an example.

We christain, 2000 years after christ resurrection, we hear from him, we see him in vision, and always pass message to warn about his second coming.
Has anyone ever heard from mohamed ever since he died? The only vision people see about him is burning in hell
Read mark 13 and mattew24 and compare to what is happening around us, this are the word of christ.

He is still standing and knocking the door of your heart. Give your life to him and live a holy life. You don't have to die before you can know the truth.

God can appear to you in dream and vision if you ask him for more explaination, just pray to God of abraham isaac and jacob, he will tell you the truth. If you die withou Christ, it is hell

I believed you don't know anything about your religion, you just dey do follow follow.

You claimed you know Jesus very well and you said Jesus was a jew.

PLEASE BRING YOUR PROOF HOW JESUS WAS A JEW? I will give 10 copies of QURAN if you can proof it to me but if u fail to prove it definitely you are anti-christ which you don't know your God's tribe

Don't forget that Jesus said if you deny me infront of a man, I will deny you in front of my father who in heaven

truthman2012: It is natural to be afraid when a person sees what is strange. That was what happened to Mary and Zacharia. But Gabriel told Mary ''Fear not''(Luke 1:30). He also told Zacharia ''Fear not'' (Luke 1:13). No report of torture or torment.

But when the satanic Gabriel appeared to Muhammad, no words of peace or encouragement. He just picked him and started punishing him for no offence. Can't you see the difference between the two Gabriel? I'm sure you have seen but only pretending.

Allah/Gabriel started his revelations with FALSEHOOD and VIOLENCE. How could he say 'Read' when he did not come with any document? Read what? Lying spirit (Satan). If it is 'Recite', what has he said to Muhammad that he expected him to recite? Quran/Islam has a false foundation. You cannot build TRUTH on FALSE foundation.

Wait a minute: ''Who taught with pen''. What does that mean? How did Allah/Gabriel teach Muhammad with 'pen' (writing) and yet he remained an illiterate till death? The quran is full of lies. Allah likes writing so much and yet he chose an illiterate as his prophet. He writes on rock, tree, under the bridge, anywhere and on anything. Deceiver.

You cannot fulfil the Law in the power of the Flesh as muslims are trying to do:

Covering the faces of the women so that men will not see them to prevent fornication. But men dress like them and go into them.

Washing of body parts to appear neat before praying when the inside (heart) is full of dirt (Mat. 23:25). You can fight, abuse, kill but just observe your duty to Allah. The muslims are the Pharisees, hypocrites of today.

If the practice of the law (as muslims are doing) is enough, Jesus would not have come because the Pharisees and the Saducees were already doing that. Despite all their efforts in observing the law Jesus still called them hypocrites.

Finally, my advice to you is to accept Jesus and come out of a religion introduced by Satan. Hell is real.

Brother, you are very funny, how will I accept Jesus as my saviour where himself can't save himself in Bible and don't forget that u have accepted that your Bible was full of lies

When Jesus was hanging on the cross, the chief priests, scribes, and elders mocked Jesus, saying,  “He saved others; he cannot save himself. He is the King of Israel; let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him

Also in
Mark 15:34 says "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?....WHY CAN'T HE SAVED HIMSELF

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"?  Can't GOD do anything he wills? 

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion?

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Permit me to respond to an issue that I read about in this forum. Psalm 2:7 was not referring to David. It was a prophetic psalm about the Messiah, Jesus Christ, and some of the battles he would encounter. Some of the comments I have seen here border on lack of understanding of the rules for Bible interpretation. Most old testaments events were only shadows of things that would be fulfilled in the new testament.

If you understand that, you will not see any contradictions between what Apostle Paul wrote and what Jesus preached. Jesus came to fulfill the law and there is nothing wrong with those laws. So, if Jesus has fulfilled the law, why are we bothered about the law? The law is fulfilled and finished with so we look unto Him that fulfilled the law. So, He says, "It is finished". We are no longer under the law (Rom. 6:14) because it has been fulfilled. We live under this GRACE that came to fulfill a law that no one before Him could fulfill. So, He becomes our standard.

Now, as for Jesus Christ: Yes, the Bible refers to Him as the only begotten Son of God. He became the first born that through Him God would have MANY other sons. Todays's English Version (TEV) says in Hebrews 2:10-11: "10 It was only right that God, who creates and preserves all things, should make Jesus perfect through suffering, in order to bring many sons to share his glory. For Jesus is the one who leads them to salvation. 11 He purifies people from their sins, and both he and those who are made pure all have the same Father. That is why Jesus is not ashamed to call them his brothers." Therefore, let us not argue about things we do not really understand. The Bible says that those who are not spiritual cannot understand spiritual things - 1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

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Jesus Says:
Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Matthew 16:27
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works"


PLS TELL ME WHERE JESUS HIMSELF SAID YOU SHOULD NOT FOLLOW THE LAW IN THE BIBLE? JESUS HIMSELF NOT OTHER LIAR

highyo: If you decide to accept christ as your lord, you will be called into the family of God. And be address as children of God. But the only begotten son of God is Jesus christ. Only through Jesus you can be given a chance of being a child of God

He is the only living God. Do not listen to what people will say to you. Have you Ever seen and muslim converted to christain being abandone by Christ? Even despite the fact that people tried to kill them. I will give you a site to wach many muslim testimonies get converted to christains, if you need it I will give to you

One of the pastor that his message touched my life most was once a muslim. Pastor Abraham, the man who died and came back.

Don't say can only you be right and million of muslims be wrong?

Noah only was right and the whole world was wrong, so without Jesus, God is ready to destroy the million muslim in hell if they died without christ

Brother, you are very funny, how will I accept Jesus as my saviour where himself can't save himself in Bible;
When Jesus was hanging on the cross, the chief priests, scribes, and elders mocked Jesus, saying,  “He saved others; he cannot save himself. He is the King of Israel; let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him

Also in
Mark 15:34 says "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?....WHY CAN'T HE SAVED HIMSELF

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"?  Can't GOD do anything he wills? 

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion?

thorpido: The verses you quoted above were reported.If I told you God told me to always set my alarm for 12am and pray at that time and I told you I memorised it and it is true,can u prove to me it wasn't true?
This message of the quran was passed down and you only accept it but you don't have a proof apart from the fact that you can only tell me you believe it.The fact that it has been passed on for generations does not make it proof.
In essence,it is still a third party message.How then do you fault other messages when the message of the quran is still third party message.You were not there!

Who reported the verses?

If God tells you anything, I will not believe u becos ur Bible said you don't see God and hear his voice.

highyo: I don't have. To tell you that all the angel of the lord were refers to the son of God. Even the fallen angel in the book of genesis chapter6 were refer to son of God

Is that ur answer to my question? I will advice u to leave ur falsehood and seek for truth religion which is islam.

thorpido: Muhammed was illiterate and those who wrote the quran were third parties too.You can claim he dictated to them but that still makes them third parties.We also know human error where you can dictate something to someone and he writes something different.
About the quran being beyond human mind,I'm sure if you will be honest with yourself there are other books written with contents beyond human reasoning.

I'm showing you that the criterion u use to fault the Bible or any other book also faults the Quran.

You can't compare the written of Quran to any other Book like Bible.

The Qur‘an is Allah‘s Word which Jibril (Gabriel, peace be upon him) received from Allah and recited to Muhammad (saw), who in turn listened and learned it carefully from Jibril exactly as spoken by Allah. Moreover, Allah caused Muhammad (saw) to memorize it by heart.

Allah says:
"Move not your tongue concerning (the Quran, O Muhammad to make haste therewith.   It is for Us to collect it and to give you (O Muhammad saw) the ability to recite it (the Qur‘an).   And when We have recited it to you [O Muhammad] through Jibril (Gabriel)], then follow its (the Qur‘an‘s) recital.   Then it is for Us (Allah) to make it clear (to you)." [Surah Al Qiyamah 75: 16-19].

Also Allah says: "Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur‘an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)." [Surah Al-Hijr, 15: 9].

Accordingly, Allah safeguarded the Qur‘an for Muslims. The Qur‘an was, therefore, transmitted from the Prophet (peace be upon him) to his Companions, who committed it to memory and writing; who in turn transmitted it to future generations fresh and pure, without any distortion or interpolation in it


PLEASE TELL ME,HOW WAS THE BIBLE COMPILED OR WRITTEN?

benzion72: I am. Not here to verify or relegate any book or to sing praise anyone. But my take is that people put religion aside and do an indepth study of what they believe. As a moslem you are required to go to Quranic school to learn Alquran in Arabic even from a tender age and this you do before your teens year. Thereafter you now go and learn the meaning meaning of what you have memorized. Often time majority don't even know the meaning of Alfatia. It will be very difficult for you to see with an independent mind because your mind has being formated using computer language.

Like the response of mazaje there so many religion that claimed revelation Buddha claim revelation, Taoist claimed revelation, Induism claim revelation and when you are born into any of these world religious few your mind is preprogrammed. To believe the religion. Even in Islam the day you give birth to child you carry the boy up and you south his name to his ear and recite some Quranic verses to the ear.

Kindly read roman history before you make your conclusion based on the sanctity of bible or Alquran, because it always amused me when I see people who clung to Alquran and hadits and perpetrate evils based on what they read from such hadits and Alquran. Take for example in one of the hadits girl child first menstruation is allowed in her father's house and the second one must be in the husband house. That is why girls child of 9 years was given to the prophet Mohammed (SLS) to wife and the prophet deflower such sibling. This practice is still going on in the northern Nigeria till today that is why they have the highest cases of vagina vestibular. And you call that a revelation from heaven.

If you definitely read history about Roman, you don't need to come out here and saying about Aisha marriage, you should have read it from their history if surely you want to follow their history.

Roman Emperor Justinian was the first one to set the age of marriage for females at 12 years and 14 for males. After the advent of Christianity in Europe, such a law was no longer followed. Mary Stewart married Henry VIII when she was only six. Early marriages were predominant in some Eastern countries and are still carried out in places like India.

Islam does not specify a certain minimal age for marriage; rather, it placed a certain age for shouldering religious obligations in general. This age is the age of puberty, i.e by natural sign (the ability to ejaculate semen for a boy and menstruation for a girl)


Islam Doesnt support early marriages, and here's why:

1) The Holy Quran ties marriage to adulthood and physical as well as mental maturity:

[4:6] Make trial of orphans until they reach the age of marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them; but consume it not wastefully, nor in haste against their growing up. If the guardian is well-off, Let him claim no remuneration, but if he is poor, let him have for himself what is just and reasonable. When ye release their property to them, take witnesses in their presence: But all-sufficient is God in taking account.

2) The Quran says that marriage is a solemn covenant, which both husband and wife make together :

[4:21] And how could ye take it when ye have gone in unto each other, and they have Taken from you a solemn covenant?

So if we combine 1 and 2, we get this: The Holy Quran says that the "age of marriage" is the age when people is able to make a solemn covenant, not ANY age, but the age where you can make sound judgement. Also:

1) The Quran in Sura Talaaq Ayat no :4 which reads:

[65:4] Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear God, He will make their path easy.

This Ayat is actually referring to women who even though has passed puberty, still dont have their menses or/and women who at one point did have menses but due to psychological or physiological reasons, have stopped menstruating before menopause.

About the Prophet (saw) consummated his marriage with Aisha, 1500 years ago, it must have been something that was acceptable to all and sundry which explains why there was no resistance to his decision to marry the girl. I assure you that if it was wrong then to marry young girls, Mohammad (saw) would not have done so. Is it not a wonder that his adversaries then never mentioned their disgust for his actions? In fact, they were quick to point to other things to attack the prophet except his marriage to Aisha. It means that the society then allowed it.

truthman2012: @ ayenny02

There is no way a reasonable person will accept the quran as revelations from the true God, unless the person is under satanic deception:

1. The manner Muhammad received the revelations was inconsistent with how God reveals His words. God is a God of justice and love. How come Gabriel tormented Muhammad three time for being unable to do what he could not do? Read. Read what? If you say 'Recite', recite what? Recite what has not been taught him or read what when he did not come with any written paper? Even if there a written paper, he knew he was illiterate. Then the next thing was press him to almost the point of death thrice.

2. Those who study demonology would easily understand that this is how evil spirits operate - forcing their victims to obey. Please note that Muhammad was not the first person to see Gabriel. Mary and Zacharia saw the true Gabriel before him and their was no report of torture or torment. None of them went home to say they saw evil spirit like Muhammad did. No doubt it was not God's Gabriel he saw. Tell me, why would he be punished to be sent good news.

What Satan simply did was pretend he was God (Allah) and that there was the real Satan somewhere. He talked about Satan to make them believe he was God. He capitalized on the ignorance of the Arabs then. He knew they had no much knowlege of the Gospel to detect his deceptions. They were idol worshipers.

He was changing his revelations by replacement as many times as the need for manipulations were arising. If Muhammad had not died, the quran would have changed many times over in the name of 'perfecting' the religion.

How could God say He was changing His revelations because He later had a better idea (Quran 2:106)? It was because Allah is not the All-knowing God. Satan.

How could God command His prophet to take the wife of anybody, talk less that of an adopted son and because of that changed the law of child adoption. It was this same Allah's prophet that was known for indecent acts with women. If God is a God of holiness, His prophet would not be that corrupt. Which prophet was as corrupt as him?

There so many things I would have exposed but for time. Gradually I will do, God willing.

I believe that to leave your unbelieve ideology to believer, I mean to leave your falsehood religion which you, yourself confirmed that its falsehood to truth religion is not going to easy but you need to seek the truth for your salvation.
You can't continue to do the falsehood religion which you know that it will not going to profit in heaven after you confirmed that it was not a right path.


Have you ever seen Angel or Satan in your life that you have concluded that it was satan that appeared to the Prophet?. If your answer is yes, you can come and describe how Angel or Satan look like.

This was the beginning of the revelation of the Qur'an; but in that first encounter with the angel Jibril, Muhammad(saw) was very frightened, for he did not know who the angel Jibril was or what was happening.

Its happen to Zacharias and Mary in Bible
Luke 1:11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.

Also to mary
Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

"Gabriel said to the Man who was unlettered and could neither read or write to Read. (Gabriel brought the revelation from God to the Prophet while the Prophet will be reciting it to the people)

The Prophet said. "I cannot read," he had repeated. "Read!" and the angel had replied:

Read, in the Name of your Lord who created, created man from a clot, Read, and your Lord is the Most Gracious, Who taught with the pen, taught man what he did not know. (Quran 96:1-5)
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Surah Baqara (2) - Verse 106,
None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We substitute something better or similar; knowest thou not that Allah hath power over all things?

EXPLANATION:
The  word "aayatin" in the verse under study (2: 106), translated as "Our revelations" is used to denote the "total revelations of Allah" that have come to mankind. In other words it includes Allah's Messages that were conveyed in the earlier books (I.e torah and injeel) as well as the final Message revealed by Him in the Qur'an.

If we take it in a general sense, it means that God's Message from age to age is always the same, but that its form may differ according to the needs and exigencies of the time.  That form was different as given to Moses and then to Jesus and then to Muhammad.


The Gospels record that Jesus Christ was a Jew and an upholder of "The Law" revealed to his predecessors. Here is what he said to uphold the Law: 

"Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven."  Matthew 5: 19

Just two verses earlier he said:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill." Matthew 5: 17

What exactly did Jesus mean when he said; "not to abolish but to fulfill"?

The Gospel of Matthew records that Jesus, instead of upholding, did Substitute the earlier command of Torah; "eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" (Leviticus 24: 20), with his alternate command; "Do not resist an evil doer, but if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other

also..." (Matthew  5: 39). These two examples from the Bible tell us that the process of God Substituting His earlier Message with a better suited one, through the succeeding Messenger of God is not an alien or an unheard of phenomena. 

the recorded Commands of the Torah were neither the actual Words of God, nor they were eternal and thus capable of change by Jesus. 

Taking a cue from the Critic's text above; If the Torah was the Word of God, it should be perfect and no verse can be superior to another. One must therefore reject what Jesus had taught to his disciples on these two issues.

Keeping with the needs and exigencies of the time, the Qur'an has revealed the following Message in connection with the Law of Torah:

We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal."  But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself.  And if any fail to judge by what Allah hath revealed, they are wrong-doers. Qur'an  5: 45 

When We substitute one revelation for another, -- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), --they say, "Thou art but a forger": But most of them understand not.    16 : 101

CONCLUSION
The following verses of the Qur'an should make you stop making such erroneous claims and misleading urself. Allah has Himself Guarded and Protected the Final Scripture. 

We have without doubt sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.  15 : 9

@truthman
God created this world not for nothing. He has supplied you with organs of differentiate btw right and wrong. He has sent many prophets as warners. We created to worship Him alone:

Q3:191........"Our Lord! not for naught Hast Thou created (all) this! Glory to Thee! Give us salvation from the penalty of the Fire.

Surah 90:8-10
8:Have We not made for him (mankind) a pair of eyes?-
9: And a tongue, and a pair of lips?-
10:And shown him the two highways

Surah 51:56
I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me.

Surah 18:7
That which is on earth we have made but as a glittering show for the earth, in order that We may test them (mankind) as to which of them are best in conduct.

I AM SURE U WILL BE CONVINCED OF THE AUTHENTICITY OF ISLAM AFTER WE HAVE DISCUSSED OUR DIFFERENCES

truthman2012: Paul was not a liar as you have wrongly asserted. His critics, especially the muslims are only ignorant of the situations or circumstances he made the statements they call lies.
He was a strong faithful of Jewish religion - Judaism and his conversion must have caused serious uproars. It is like a muslim cleric converting to Christianity. What do you think will happen?

Romans 3:7
Nobody, talk less of a man of God would say he is lying. How would he expect people to believe his messages? What happened was that he was being judged on his message by the Jews who became his enemies because of his conversion. He was speaking against those things he once believed and they called him a liar. He was trying to make them know that he was pleased to be called a liar rather than making God a liar. His motive was better false preaching the Gospel of Jesus than have a right motive practicing Judaism he left.

Acts 9:7
This was not a statement made by Paul. It was a reported speech and this is shown by the letter 'he' not 'I' as in verse 6 and in verse 8, 'Saul' not 'I'. The Yoruba people say "if a reported speech is not more, it will be less than what actually happened". Don't condemn him for lying here.

Acts 22:9
This was a statement made by Paul himself. Here he gave the true account of what happened to him.

The Bible is not a 'perfected' Book like the Quran. It says things as they really are, good or bad, holy or unholy, no hiding. In the Quran many revelations were replaced to correct the errors made by Allah:

[Pickthal 16:101] And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not

What is the need replacing a revelation if not for error? Can the true God commit errors.

Again the Quran says:

[Pickthal 5:3].........This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The Quran has been perfected after removing and replacing vital information. Yet the job was not completely done as we can find many blunders.

Thank God that you confirmed from your mouth that "The Bible is not a 'perfected' Book like the Quran".

My question for you now is that WHY DO YOU FOLLOW THE RELIGION WHERE THE BOOK IS FULL OF ERRORS, MISGUIDANCE, CONTRADICTION, IMPERFECTION AND CORRUPTED. WHY!!!
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Explanation on Quran 16:101

Still another misunderstanding concerns the so-called doctrine or abrogation. Quran 16:101;

"When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not."

The Word AYAH in that verse from ARABIC QURAN means sign, message, or verses. So it is that many christians have imagined that some verses of the Quran were changed. Their difficulty is with language. They misunderstand the word cancel.

For example, the Quran commands one not to pray when drunk. As the Quran was revealed gradually over a period of 23yrs, a later verse forbade intoxicants. But this later verse does not cancel the earlier. Compare restricted drug laws in most countries. These are laws giving penalties for possession, but other laws penalizing those who sell these drugs. Yet the first kind of law does not cancel the second kind.

All charges of abrogation are applied to legal matters. However the verse of 16:101 refers to something that had already happened. Yet this verse was revealed in Mecca. All verses relating to legal matters were revealed later in Medina. There is no inconsistency in the Quran. Remember, this is claim of Q4:82-
"Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy"


The best explanation of the Quran is the Quran itself. The clarification of Q16:101 is found at Q2:106;
" None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things"

Here the same though is expressed but this time the context shows that the Jews were being addressed. The word AYAH refers then to previous message of the Prophets. In particular, some of the Jews law was supplanted by the Quran.
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Quran 5:3, I don't see anything wrong with it if you read it from beginning of verse you will understand very well that those foods that forbidden for us to eat ....... But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

...This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Can you bring the likes of that verses from the Bible that God has chosen Christianity as a religion?

Give me ur detail of accessories of blackberry and your stock list. ayenny02@yahoo.com

truthman2012: @ ayenny02

I don't know how and where to start. It is like trying to give a lecture meant for a university student to a primary school puipil. You know it is a very difficult task.

Anyway let me begin this way: there is a difference between the Law of the Flesh and the Law of the Spirit, i.e. the Dispensation of Grace. The law of the flesh is the law written on paper, which Mose received, the ten commandments.

These ten commandment were later expanded to many laws in the Book of Leviticus. People try to keep all the laws but it was very difficult for them. God is a Spirit, not man.

If humans were spirits, it would have been easy for them to keep God's laws because God is a Spirits. Angels don't have problem keeping God's law because they are spirit beings. Many people were killed for breaking the laws.

Man's imperfection in keeping the law necesitated the coming of Jesus. He came to transform the Law of the Flesh to the Law of the Spirit. That is why He says unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom. Then He went further by saying unless a man is born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God (John 3:1-6).

That is to say by trying to keep the laws as on paper with one's own ability, nobody can attain perfection to qualify him to enter God's kingdom, because there is no way anybody can keep all the laws in the power of the flesh , i.e. by human ability without breaking any. Your nature must change from carnal to spiritual before you can have the power to keep all the laws to please God. You must be posessed of God's Spirit, which is possible ONLY by accepting Jesus.

All these Paul was trying to explain about the law but as a learned lawyer, he was speaking in ways difficult to understand, especially to those who just read the Bible on the surface of it.

By TRULY believing and confessing Jesus, and being born of the Spirit, it is automatic you obey the Laws of God without struggling.

Let me tell you the truth, if you are born of the Spirit, you will struggle to commit sin because it will not be easy for you. For those who are not born of the Spirit, they struggle to obey God's law but easy for them to commit sin.

In His capacity as the Son of God, Jesus aborlished some laws in the OT because He deemed them unnecessary. e.g free divorcement, eating of whatever you like if not poisonous. He said what defies a man is not what he takes in but what comes of him etc.

Infact, I dey pity you after the truth has cleared to you and you are still refusing to accept the truth and to leave that ur falsehood alone.

Let me show you another lies of Apostle paul maybe you will see that clearly,

ANOTHER PAUL LIES

Acts 22:9
9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they HEARD NOT THE VOICE of him that spake to me.

Act 9:7
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, HEARING A VOICE, but seeing no man


QUESTION---(HEARD NOT THE VOICE OR HEARING A VOICE)

Romans 3:7
7 But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?

Philippians 1:18
18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

These are enough for you to believe that your religion was full of falsehood.

truthman2012: @ ayenny02

I don't know how and where to start. It is like trying to give a lecture meant for a university student to a primary school puipil. You know it is a very difficult task.

Anyway let me begin this way: there is a difference between the Law of the Flesh and the Law of the Spirit, i.e. the Dispensation of Grace. The law of the flesh is the law written on paper, which Mose received, the ten commandments.

These ten commandment were later expanded to many laws in the Book of Leviticus. People try to keep all the laws but it was very difficult for them. God is a Spirit, not man.

If humans were spirits, it would have been easy for them to keep God's laws because God is a Spirits. Angels don't have problem keeping God's law because they are spirit beings. Many people were killed for breaking the laws.

Man's imperfection in keeping the law necesitated the coming of Jesus. He came to transform the Law of the Flesh to the Law of the Spirit. That is why He says unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom. Then He went further by saying unless a man is born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God (John 3:1-6).

That is to say by trying to keep the laws as on paper with one's own ability, nobody can attain perfection to qualify him to enter God's kingdom, because there is no way anybody can keep all the laws in the power of the flesh , i.e. by human ability without breaking any. Your nature must change from carnal to spiritual before you can have the power to keep all the laws to please God. You must be posessed of God's Spirit, which is possible ONLY by accepting Jesus.

All these Paul was trying to explain about the law but as a learned lawyer, he was speaking in ways difficult to understand, especially to those who just read the Bible on the surface of it.

By TRULY believing and confessing Jesus, and being born of the Spirit, it is automatic you obey the Laws of God without struggling.

Let me tell you the truth, if you are born of the Spirit, you will struggle to commit sin because it will not be easy for you. For those who are not born of the Spirit, they struggle to obey God's law but easy for them to commit sin.

In His capacity as the Son of God, Jesus aborlished some laws in the OT because He deemed them unnecessary. e.g free divorcement, eating of whatever you like if not poisonous. He said what defies a man is not what he takes in but what comes of him etc.

Infact, I dey pity you after the truth has cleared to you and you are still refusing to accept the truth and to leave that falsehood alone.

Let me show you another lies of Apostle paul maybe you will see that clearly,

ANOTHER PAUL LIES

Acts 22:9
9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they HEARD NOT THE VOICE of him that spake to me.

Act 9:7
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, HEARING A VOICE, but seeing no man


QUESTION---(HEARD NOT THE VOICE OR HEARING A VOICE)

Romans 3:7
7 But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?

Philippians 1:18
18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

These are enough for you to believe that your religion was full of falsehood.

noblefada: @ayenny02 I can see that you're just a misguided fellow. Rather than respond to valid points raised in my earlier posts u systematically avoided them because u know they were correct and rather call Paul a liar.

Its beats my imagination as to why you people quote from one part of the bible that supports your claims and turn to call another part false. You just quoted Paul's Rom 8:14 to validate one of misguided argument and still turn around to call him a liar! From where I come from it's called double standards!

You think because u know some scriptures u now the bible? When I give valid verses from it that's shows your ignorance u avoid them n make spurious accusations. Guess am done with you.

ANOTHER PAUL LIES

Acts 22:9
9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they HEARD NOT THE VOICE of him that spake to me.

Act 9:7
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, HEARING A VOICE, but seeing no man


QUESTION---(HEARD NOT THE VOICE OR HEARING A VOICE)

Romans 3:7
7 But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?

Philippians 1:18
18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

These are enough for you to believe that your religion was full of falsehood.

truthman2012: How? When? Where? Which?

TO FOLLOW OR NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS
Jesus Says:
Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Matthew 16:27
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works".


Paul Says:

Romans 7:9-10
"I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died; the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me".

1 Corinthians 15:14
"If Christ be not risen from the dead, then our preaching is vain, and your faith is also vain."

Colossians 2:14
"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross";


ON THE DESTINY OF THE LAW AND PROPHETS
Paul says:
Rom.10
[4] For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.

Jesus says:
Matt.5
[17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
[18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished


ON THE SACRIFICE
Paul says:
1Cor.5:7- For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed.
Eph.5:2- And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.


Jesus says:
Matt.9
[13] Go and learn what this means, `I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.'


SALVATION

According to Jesus:  The rich young ruler asked Jesus how he could find salvation. Jesus answered, "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments ,  If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." (Matt 19:16-21, Mark 10:17-21, Luke 18:18-22, KJV) In other words, obey Torah, and follow Jesus' examples.

According to Paul:  “That if you confess with your mouth Jesus {as} Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.” (Rom 10:9-10, NAS)

Which is it?  Obeying the commandments of God and following Jesus, or merely believing in Jesus’ resurrection and confessing him as Lord?

MY BROTHER JUST LEAVE YOUR FALSEHOOD IT WILL NOT PROFIT YOU IN HEAVEN BECOS PAUL WAS NOT AMONG THE. DISCIPLES OF JESUS

truthman2012: How? When? Where? Which?

TO FOLLOW OR NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS
Jesus Says:
Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Matthew 16:27
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works".


Paul Says:

Romans 7:9-10
"I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died; the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me".

1 Corinthians 15:14
"If Christ be not risen from the dead, then our preaching is vain, and your faith is also vain."

Colossians 2:14
"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross";


ON THE DESTINY OF THE LAW AND PROPHETS
Paul says:
Rom.10
[4] For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.

Jesus says:
Matt.5
[17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
[18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished


ON THE SACRIFICE
Paul says:
1Cor.5:7- For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed.
Eph.5:2- And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.


Jesus says:
Matt.9
[13] Go and learn what this means, `I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.'


SALVATION

According to Jesus:  The rich young ruler asked Jesus how he could find salvation. Jesus answered, "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments ,  If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." (Matt 19:16-21, Mark 10:17-21, Luke 18:18-22, KJV) In other words, obey Torah, and follow Jesus' examples.

According to Paul:  “That if you confess with your mouth Jesus {as} Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.” (Rom 10:9-10, NAS)

Which is it?  Obeying the commandments of God and following Jesus, or merely believing in Jesus’ resurrection and confessing him as Lord?

MY BROTHER JUST LEAVE YOUR FALSEHOOD IT WILL NOT PROFIT YOU IN HEAVEN BECOS PAUL WAS NOT AMONG THE. DISCIPLES OF JESUS

truthman2012: Jesus built church for who?

Was it Paul who first mentioned 'christianity'? I told you it was the people of Antioch who christened them 'christians'.

Why do you love/hate Paul that much?

So, you don't believe that the doctrine of Paul was contradict the teaching of Jesus

truthman2012: Elijah was not raised to heaven because he didn't die, he WENT up to heaven by whilwind. Read the passage very well. I have been saying it often that you misinterpret the Bible because of your zeal in defending islam.

It is good to have zeal for God but not in ignorance. Your case is like that of Paul (your enemy), he was very zealous for God, defending Judaism, thinking he was working for God.You know what, he was a learned lawyer in Jewish law, he was so sure (as you are) of what he was defending.. God saw the sincerity of his heart and converted him to truth. God will also have mercy on you.

Jesus said ''I will build my church and the gate of Hell will not prevail against it'' (Mat. 16:18). The church (for christians) was in the plan of Jesus, which His disciples executed. It was not Paul's idea.

Christianity simply means 'Christ-like'. It was in Antioch that people saw and studied the disciples and christened them 'christians'. They were behaving like Chris - gentle, holy. loving. peaceful.

Was it after or before Jesus that Christianity was established

Was Jesus asked them to formed the Christianity and why jesus not formed it before he departed?

Matthew 16:18
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. JESUS BUILT CHURCH NOT FORMED CHRISTIANITY


Why Paul doctrines contradict the teaching of Jesus?

noblefada: I think I'm wasting my time with u! the last time I check in many versions of the scriptures including KJV the word BEGOTTEN is still vry much present! so very sorry that wenot you or all ur imams can change that.

Its very funny you should quote a scriptures that prophesy about Jesus Christ and not understanding them n even attribute some to David Psalm 2:7 cross reference Hebrews 2:5, Matt 22:42-46; Mark 12:35-37; Acts 2:25-36; Acts 13:33-39. Pls read and stop displaying ur ignorance on a subject you know nothing about.

Jesus came to show a new and pointed the new believers to Paul who by the Spirit Jesus gave the revelations that we now follow. John 16:7-15; 14:11-20 cross reference Galatians 1:11-16.

Romans 8 ur quoted is classic scriptures about ur life in Christ when we believe pls read from vs 1 to the end.

Pls do me a favour and stop displaying ur ignorance online, its very obvious you're not knowledgeable enough to argue about this.

Thank you.

I don't know why you people followed the Liar (Paul) instead Jesus. Let me show you the Paul (liar) contradict the teaching of Jesus;


TO FOLLOW OR NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS
Jesus Says:
Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Matthew 16:27
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works".


Paul Says:

Romans 7:9-10
"I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died; the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me".

1 Corinthians 15:14
"If Christ be not risen from the dead, then our preaching is vain, and your faith is also vain."

Colossians 2:14
"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross";


ON THE DESTINY OF THE LAW AND PROPHETS
Paul says:
Rom.10
[4] For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.

Jesus says:
Matt.5
[17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
[18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished


ON THE SACRIFICE
Paul says:
1Cor.5
[7] For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed.
Eph.5
[2] And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.


Jesus says:
Matt.9
[13] Go and learn what this means, `I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.'


MY BROTHER JUST LEAVE YOUR FALSEHOOD IT WILL NOT PROFIT YOU IN HEAVEN BECOS PAUL WAS NOT AMONG THE. DISCIPLES OF JESUS

truthman2012: Quran 3:55
.....''O Jesus I will take thee and raise thee to Myself.....''

How does Allah (if God) take people from the earth? Is it not through death?

''O Jesus I will raise thee to Myself.....''

How does Allah raise the living to Himself? Only the dead is raised to life. You don't raise the living, you raise the dead.


Therefore the correct interpretation of Quran 3:55 is:

O Jesus I will take (kill) you and raise you to Myself... Unless Allah would say something and mean another thing.

Jesus was killed and was raised.

IF YOU DONT BELIEVE THAT JESUS WAS RAISED TO HEAVEN, I AM SURE YOU WILL BELIEVE THE ELIJAH HOW GOD RAISED HIM TO HEAVEN

2 Kings 2:11
And as they still went on and talked, behold, chariots of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

DO YOU BELIEVE NOW THAT GOD WHO RAISED ELIJAH TO HEAVEN, HE WAS THE ONE WHO RAISED JESUS TOO. SO,JUST ACCEPT ISLAM AS A RELIGION OF GOD NOT THE MAN MADE AND FALSEHOOD RELIGION YOU ARE IN.
PLEASE MY BROTHER IF JESUS COMES TODAY, HE WILL DENY YOU (CHRISTIANS) BECAUSE HE DID NOT KNOW THE RELIGION CALLED CHRISTIANITY. IT WAS AFTER THE JESUS HAS GONE THAT PAUL INTRODUCE THE CHRISTIANITY, EVEN THOSE DISCIPLES OF JESUS CHRIST DID NOT KNOW THE RELIGION.

truthman2012: Quran 3:55
.....''O Jesus I will take thee and raise thee to Myself.....''

How does Allah (if God) take people from the earth? Is it not through death?

''O Jesus I will raise thee to Myself.....''

How does Allah raise the living to Himself? Only the dead is raised to life. You don't raise the living, you raise the dead.


Therefore the correct interpretation of Quran 3:55 is:

O Jesus I will take (kill) you and raise you to Myself... Unless Allah would say something and mean another thing.

Jesus was killed and was raised.

Mr man dont deceive yourself, Quran will never support your falsehood, let me explain it very well from Arabic quran from Q3:54 - 55

وَمَكَرُوۡا وَمَكَرَاللّٰهُ ‌ وَاللّٰهُ خَيۡرُ الۡمَاكِرِيۡنَ
and they (disbelievers) plotted (to kill jesus) and Allah plotted too. And Allah is the best of those who plot.
Allah refers to himself as "Khayrul-Makereen" which correctly translated means "Allah is the greatest of all deceivers.

(3:55) (And it was part of His scheme) when Allah said: 'O Jesus! I will recall you and raise you up to Me and will purify you (of the company) of those who disbelieve, and will set your followers above the unbelievers till the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me you shall return, and I will judge between you regarding what you differed.

EXPLANATION:
The verse indicates one of the glad tiding that Allah had already informed Jesus (peace be upon him) about. In this verse, Allah is informing Jesus of the Jews' firm intension to have him crucified and that He will save him and raise him to the Heavens. Allah is also informing him that he will return at the end of time clear of the harms and calumnies that the Jews had intended for him. Allah says: “…and clear you (of the falsehoods) of those who disbelieve.”

Allah now clarified it the Quran 4:157-158
Surah 4, Verses 157 & 158:
“and their saying : we killed Christ Jesus, son of Mary, The messenger of Allah - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it was made to appear to them so; and those who disagree concerning it are full of doubts; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; For surely they killed him not; but Allah took him up unto Himself; and Allah is ever mighty, wise.


I CAN NOW SEE THAT YOU HAVE BELIEVED THAT JESUS WAS NOT CRUCIFIED AND KILLED, PLEASE LEAVE YOUR FALSEHOOD AND ACCEPT ISLAM AS A RELIGION OF GOD

noblefada: Listen @ayenny02, as was said earlier your knowledge of the bible is not complete because its takes only the Spirit of God to fully understand the bible, which unfortunately you don't have.

1st every one b4 Christ only had the Spirit upon and not within, pls know the difference. That's why in the OT you always hear and the Spirit of God came upon me. But of Jesus John bore witness by saying him that send me said of whom you see the Spirit coming upon and remaining the same is the Christ John 1:30-34.

Jesus has fulfilled the law, so we're not required to keep the law but walk after the manner of Jesus through the Grace we received by faith. The law was to lead us to Christ after Christ has come we're no longer under the law Gal 3:17-29; 4:1-9 (pls read this carefully and try n comprehend). Even Jesus changed the law while he was alive Matt 5:31-48. those are some of the new covenant we live by. That's why we're called Christians because we are followers of Christ. And it should interest you to note that the name Christians only came after Apostle Paul had taught the early believers extensively, therefore he is indirectly responsible for the name Christians Acts 11:22-26.

Adam, his descendants n angels are all called sons of God only Jesus is called the only begotten Son of God. Hebrews 1:1-6

see how you contradict yourself,
1)who asked you not to follow the law?

2)are you following the teaching of jesus christ or apostle paul?


3)The word begotten has been removed from all Gospels by the same bible scholars as fabrication after they realized that this word does not exist in the most ancient manuscript.

John A-V {3:16} For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (This word does not exist anymore in all Gospels in the RSV), so Jesus is not any more begotten by God where we find others still alleged to be begotten sons of God according to the bible.

examples:

David was a begotten son of God long before Jesus (according to the bible). Psalms A-V {2:7} I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Israel was a begotten son of God long before Jesus (according to the bible). Exodus A-V {4:22} And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel[is] my son, [even] my firstborn:

So the term Son of God in the language of the Jews means godly person not actual son of God and does not mean divinity at all, examples:

All Jews are sons of God (according to the bible). Psalms A-V {82:6} I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.

All those who follow the spirit of God are sons of God (according to the bible). Romans A-V {8:14} For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.


YOU BETTER LEAVE YOUR FALSEHOOD AND ACCEPT THE TRUE RELIGION

truthman2012: Your knowledge of the Bible is shallow. The NT is the spiritual fulfilment of the OT. In OT the Law was on paper while it is in the mind in the NT.

God did not send Muhammad, Satan did. What is revival? To bring back to life. Muhammad was not a revivalist. Instead of bringing people back to life he was killing them. Muhammad was the only ''prophet'' who led war, killing people he was supposed to save. He was a sinner warning people against sin.

For your information and consumption: God called Jesus His Son (Mat. 3:16-17, Luk. 3:21-22, Mark 1:10-11). The true Gabriel called Jesus God's Son (Luk. 1:35). Jesus called Himself Son of God (John 9:35-37, John 10:36, John 14:7). It is not modern Christianity that you called it.

so, how many son of God we have in the Bible, let me list some for you to understand that not only jesus was son to God:
Job 2:1
2 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

Genesis 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Exodus 4:22
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

2 Samuel 7:13-14
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

Luke 3:38
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God

AND MANY MORE IF YOU REQUIRED FOR MORE

noblefada: Jesus worshiped God the spirit because he was the first man to have the indweelling of the Holy Spirit John 4: 21-24, Luke 10:21

Who told you that Jesus was the first man to have the Holy spirit, I can now understand you don't know anything about your religion, you just dey do follow follow

Luke 1:13,15
13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

TELL ME WAS JOHN NOT BEFORE JESUS?