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Racoon:
Sorry sir.I meant to say the inglorious Babangida military regime.My dad served under him and I regret it.

and how can an unrepentant part of that inglorious past advance advice he couldn't give in some photo Op interview, and you flaunting it as some gospel truths ,if not dubity, baffles me. I can bet you Togun is a typical PDP .

Abubaushe:
Let him first tell Nigerians what he know about the killing of Dele Giwa,the then publisher of Newswatch mag.in 1986 before giving his advice on National scurity.
Be informed

Don't mind them..

DarkJeddi:
This here is a clear case of attacking the Messenger and not the message..

We are all capable of reading a passage and making our own conclusions.

Spare us your useless RANT..

what yeye message has an unrepentant part of our ' wahala' past has to offer? So he just found his voice? Why can't he start with his councillor or local government chairman. In his private life, what reforms has he brought rather than talking about stuffs he knows zilch about because mentioning Tinubu's name is the latest gimmick in town to becoming suddenly famous? Tell me what message ? we can pardon another public officer who hasn't insulted our sensibilities but not col To gun .

Dchair2:
Your write is not entirely correct sir! There are numerous reports out there educating us on the real chaps who sponsored and truncated June 12

oga the bulk stops at IBB and his teams table just as PMB would be held responsible by history and not mere narratives after his tenure must have finished. Leadership comes with huge responsibility, sacrifices and love.

odedinigbin:
Can you please tell ur father to come out with a reasonable proof?
Being d then DMI does not make him nor indites him to be one of d suspects
Many of you were not born,some were small even after d Dele Giwa's murdered case
Ask ur fathers/uncles before vomitting nonesense

rather you should go ask your father to explain to you the role of Col Togun before and after Dele Giwa's death;the relationship between DMI and Dele as regards Gloria Okon and the Drug cartel in government who had told us earlier that Gloria had been taken care of officially only for Dele to run into her overseas . Further begged your dad to explain to you why the unnecessary phones calls and tabs on Dele before his assassination. I am sure he would explain to you if he knows for such info is beyond you. mtchew!

Urchman200:
pls ur view on apc promise on restructuring the country ?

This is my opinions: You would agree that Nigeria was at the verge of imploding socioeconomically and geographically before PDP was kicked out ,and after carefully weighing the enormities of the mess the nation was in, APC promised 3 immediate reforms viz ; security, war against corruption, and infrastructural development when Buhari came in 2015, and to be frank, APC has even done more . So the country needed to be fit before it could engage or being subjected to rigorous exercise which restructuring entails.

Another word for ' restructuring' if you allow me sir ,is ' reform'. Until we grasp the complexity of the helpless perplexities which grip the different facets of our national life, and which have been the banes of our nation being, then and until then can we truly be informed and be free from the political game being played by politician along ethno-religious ill feelings they instigate, and the unnecessary paralysis of analysis that the word ' restructuring' evokes each time it is mentioned in this clime.
What restructuring can be more than a Tinubu forming LASTMA when it was obvious that the then present security outfits were grossly incompetent? Can any reform be more than an Oshiomole or Elrufai daring their reelections to call the bluffs of supposed teachers in public service who could not read nor write adequately to continue to teach our children? Or the sudden peaceful silence in the Niger Delta since APC came isn't part of the consequences of some reforms? Unlike in the past , many CBT centers were exam malpractice outfits but now you would have to think twice. If no reform was going on in our petroleum sector, how come we have not experienced fuel scarcity recently while fertilizer companies and refineries are springing up even when APC inherited a recession at $30/barrel ? What about the recent reform in our electricity billing that has bled Nigerians helplessly by that fraudulent phrase ' estimated billing' until Buhari came? And several examples to mention but a few.
If we wait for the usual jamboree of political folks- part of who defiled the national purity in the first place- to gather once again wasting public resources, and pretending to be profering solutions to some of our problems, then you must be kidding me.

Truth is, Nigeria needs a lot of reforms in different facets of her life : education, job creation, public service, security, the university idea, inclusive development , food security, desert encroachment and the herdsmen debacle, transport system etc which have been left unattended to by us ,and we should carefully approach the discussion that restructuring provokes so that we can get the best rather than being caught up in some senseless and fuzzy concepts shrouded in regional or religious undertones.

Xisnin:
Deflecting again? Stay on topic!

do you know the meaning of ' deflection' at all dude?

tsephanyah:
Speechless this beyond my understanding

that is Amotekish ,and you about to find out more.

Racoon:
Yes that was true but have the present oppressive, repressive, supressive evil and satanic APC regime done better? Nope! It has simply done the worst.

shouldn't you be grateful to God that He brought PMB in 2015 or else would you have the freedom of mind and space to come online to express your opinions if those who couldn't managed $120/barrel proceeds ;who deliberately didnt control Bokoharam; neither give us electricity but fraudelent Discos ,nor diversified the economy; those who heartlessly sacrificed poor youths in that evil immigration job scam , or who encouraged thieves in public offices to steal ' well,well' because " stealing is not corruption" , or the thinking that stole defence budgets thereby encouraging insurgency ,etc had continued in government.

Think about the consequences of what we saw coming before kicking out your PDP disaster. Just think about that.

anonimi:
Did you just hear "the worst kind of deliberate inhuman treatment" without fully understanding the meaning of the phrase?

absolutely I'm in control of my mind and head . Since you are not sensitive enough to grasp the clincher in the word ' SAPped' , then let me upgrade you.
Apart from these barons wasting Dele Giwa, if you understand that, they also wasted our socioeconomic lives when they introduced SAP - an economy strategy that made us fasted to save in order to gain more but was rather embezzled leading to all sorts of evil that gave birth to most of our present wahalas like 419, yahoo, gangsterism wrongly named as cultism, exam malpractices, etc..... leaving us SAPped even spiritually for stealing and lack of fellow feeling also increased especially when the evil regime devalued the naira! Nigerians started running away from the country for greener pastures as the naira had become useless......and when the whole nation came together in one voice to restructure the land ,irrespective of tribe and religion, in that June 12 elections, col Togun's government sabotaged the process and down the cliff we went from where we have been trying to come out. So dear, Col To gun should shut up.

Racoon:
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This is Col.Kunle Togun(Rtd) of the DMI during the famed Babangida era.The reason for your misguided outburst is perhaps you were not yet born or older during that time.

maybe Col Togun should be telling us about how Dele Giwa was assassinated... a bullsheet col Tog whose government unleashed the worst kind of deliberate inhuman treatment on Nigeria that SAPped our socio-economic lives, introduced 419 and a whole lot of mess which have widened the cracks in the nation should hide in shame and die quietly rather than disturbing us with his smelly ,rabid spits meant for foolish people.

tsephanyah:
They will be Arrested under Section 215 of the Patriot Act. For violating the Constitution in several ways. And putting national security matters at risk.

Malam Daura's Abba kyari actions poses far more threat for undermining National security than a journalist carrying out his legitimate business of exposing the unpatriotic acts....DSS would be put on leash, walahi I can bet you.

0m0nnakoda:
You are making claims. They are not admitted.
You have to substantiate your claims
Documented? Where?
Called traitors? Not admitted.

Of course they won't be admissible since the historical truths so badly hurt your stand and interests....you can't change the history that ffk father and co were traitors. You can feign ignorance all you want for it is a waste of time bringing any evidence to engage your closed voice of reason. You who could paint Tinubu -who has never left his party except his then party AD leaving him playing the ethnic card by aligning with OBJ in 2003 which led to the death of AD eventually- in the hue of a traitor, can't be reasoned with at all.

0m0nnakoda:
You are talking about things which happened probably before you were born in such an opinionated and domineering tone.

To me you are talking gibberish.
Did you witness them sign any contract or agreement?
Did they send a copy to anyone you know.

Renege?.
On what?

Selfish reasons you say?
Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

Who is the judge of selfishness in political matters?

You have your views but they are just that views. Stop trying to force feed me.

in one force we need to ' interrogate'' and in the same breath you are no longer comfortable with history being truly interrogated. These are well documented history which you can't rewrite. Why did the people ffk father and Akintola was supposed to be leading called them betrayers in their lifetimes?

0m0nnakoda:
Was Akintola representing Fulani herdsmen?

How would Akintola have responded to that issue?
Would he have gone there and asked
"Where are the cows?"

If any future Yoruba space is to survive we must resist the tyranny of one narrative or coerced deification. We can see the results of that attitude in Borno

Akintola was no villain he was a politician who dared to differ and was demonised.

We must interrogate history and shun zealotry and fanaticism.

Yoruba should be proud of Akintola because he stood up for them and was not politically correct
He said it as it was

if you agree to interrogate history ,you would agree that when a party to an agreement renege without any reason to a common good but for selfish reasons, it is called betrayal? Ooooh you can call it political ' smartness' but it was a fcking betrayal that scattered the whole love in the AG family. Akintola's clique brought ethnic card against Enahoro and poisoned the land because of their ambitions. Awo saw it coming and was sad to given in to these betrayers less they labelled him as being ' undemocratic'. History proved Awo right: the connivance with FG, rigging of elections that ffk father even boasted publicly about,and the subsequent jailing of Awo, Enahoro and co indelibly stamped the betrayer logo on the renegades foreheads. You can't rewrite that history.
Yoruba's love Akintola no doubt and even named a few things including the siam weed after him while Edo/Delta refused to honor him but almighty Awo with that gesture hence while Siam weed is called Akintola in the west, in Edo/Delta it is called Awolowo. Truth is Awo was the epitome of the oduduwa race and he proved it by his life and was just more than some opportunists whose thinking and essence was too small to appreciate the larger picture of emancipation which Awo represented.

0m0nnakoda:
So betraying Awolowo is betraying Yorubas?

How were Yoruba betrayed?

I think on reflection you will realise that it is just political activity.


Just like those Yorubas who benefited from Abiola's troubles

Akintola agreed to be Arole?where? ABURI?


Arole for his age mate?

Sorry you are talking rubbish.

They had a different approach to what needed to be done.

No one in Ogbomoso sees Akintola that way.

I was expecting you to verify or use superior arguement rather than insulting . Was Awo representing himself or the race literarily,philosophically or politically? Was Awo an ijebu leader or oduduwa leader? If the people you claim to lead say you ain't their leader ,ain't something wrong somewhere? Was there an unwritten agreement or not? was the agreement dished selfishly or not? The Yoruba race is more than ijebu,Oyo, akoko, egba or ogbomosho. That you need to know my friend.

Abiola case is different and even at that there are still villains of that story .

0m0nnakoda:
I wonder how many of you are old enough to know the relationship between MKO ABIOLA and Awolowo or his so called progressive disciples before June 12

Those castigating MKO are ignorant. Despite being in different political space, Awo respected MkO and was so happy when MKO angrily left NPN in 1983 after Umaru Dikko told him ,MKO, that the party's presidential ticket was ' 'not for the highest bidder'' ,after allowing him to bankroll the party and after being assured that the ticket would go to him.
So elated was Awo that he described MKO's exit from NPN as " a movement from darkness to light".

0m0nnakoda:
What exactly is betrayal. Define it?

It is just as fanatical to say if you are not Muslim you are an infidel as it is to say if you were not with Awolowo you were a traitor.

That is excessive zealotry

Betrayal is when you reneged on an agreement especially for personal selfish reasons. No even Awo ever called MKO a betrayer because they belonged to different political camp and ideologies....but not an Akintola, a colourful politician, who had agreed to be an 'arole' to Awo only to renege maybe on the promptings of the FFk father's clique after assuring Awo who had preferably wanted Enahoro to stand in. They went ahead to rig by conniving with Federal mights without the approval of the AG the political platform on which they came to relevance; set Awo up and jailed him, exposed the parties secrets that shouldn't be made public . That ,my friend is betrayal.

isthatso:
The problem between Akintola and Awo is deeper than that but actually quite simple. The real problem was Awo wanted and alliance with the east and Akintola and his group wanted an alliance with the North. Awo did not trust the North and Akintola and his group did not trust the east. Zik would have been the 1st premier of the western region and many attribute this to Awo backstabbing Zik but there was already mistrust of Zik's agenda based on comments he had made in the late 1940s where he spoke about the god of the Ibos giving them power over Nigeria and Africa, Earlier around the same period respected Ibo judge at the time (his name eludes me) had also spoken about the Ibos conquering Africa . Contrary to what we are fed, Zik and the judge started the tribalism. that was what cost him premiership of the western region not Awo!! That is also where the mistrust of the Akintola group in the SW and the North for the Ibos started, I'm sure you have seen the Sardauna video on Ibos on youtube.

Awo proved to be wrong on that count but that is where the division in the SW between the Awo camp and the Akintola, Akinjide, Akinloye etc camp that eventually metarmorphosed into NPN started. It was a question of alliance, with the Ibos or with the North. If you examine the politics of SW Nigeria you will find that the Akintola group were always the ones in alliance with the North and the so called Awo group became isolated until Tinubu came along and lines were blurred. Truth is there are some hard core Awoists, AKA Afenifere, that refused to go along with Tinubu into ACN, people like Adebanjo. These people have always had an inherent distrust for the North. Even Awo when in the 70s talked about an alliance with the north, talked about "progressive elements in the North".

Those statements by Zik dating back to 1947 or thereabouts is why i often say in my posts that Ibo will never be president of Nigeria, this thing did not start today. People do not know their history.

No Awo wasn't wrong ...and he had wanted to hand over to Enahoro when the Akintola group planned a coup against Awo . If you say Awo was selfish, even after handing over easily, didn't Akintola and FFk father using federal might rig to perpetuate themselves thereby proving Awolowo's initial fears? It is the same game that Falae and co pulled against Bola Ige at D'Rovans in Ibadan in 1999 . ....hence a cosmopolitan Tinubu won't ever agree with the vestiges of that old era mostly in ' afenifebi' cos they ain't 'afenifere' .

stupid Ffk....your father that co-arm twisted Awolowo who had wanted to divinely hand over to Enahoro to unhappily gave in to Akin to la - a betrayal which gave birth to so many ugly stuffs even till this hour? Ogundamisi even tried by not unleashing all the historical arsenal on this foolish beneficiary of the stolen defence budget ,consequences of which the Buhari administration is battling everyday especially in the NE and, generally all over the country. ....we shall continue to curse you all.

Words of more beauty and worth than gold and money. God bless the VP.

selemempe:
even you don't believe the nonsense you wrote here

typical of mentally sick folks to view sensible stuffs as nonsense... ...get well soon.

selemempe:
you still don't get the point...I wrote in my first post that the momentum of the 70s were not maintained by buhari, ibb and Abacha....I don't care who started the momentum...but I am sure that had it been maintained by these three in the 80s and 90s or had they left shagari alone, we won't be this bad now

if shagari had been left alone, poverty would have been an eldorado to what would have happened to Nigeria as his administration, just like GEJ's, had squandered the oil windfalls and the gains of the 70s , only to push the consequences of their indiscipline called austerity which Okonjo iweala captured not too long as recession on poor Nigerians. Nigeria was already in pains ,which led to Ghana- must -go among others , by the time Buhari came to resque the nation. But the hawks through IBB took over and unleash hell on Nigeria till 1999.
30 years later, after 16 years of fraud by the modern day NPN called PDP, it was Buhari that history beckoned to come save us again. @$120/ barrel of oil what did we get except lies which became too evident to deny when oil crashed to $30/barrel before we pushed the political robbers away once again to pave way for Buhari.

So what exactly are you saying?

. . ...coming from a shameless party of rogues that ruined the state before Oshiomole of APC came to the rescue of the people.

tsephanyah:
We don't want restructuring... We need every tribe and religion to go there separate ways.

if I may ask you ' to where?'. Restructuring has wider range of boundaries definition, and limits setting in every facets of our national lives than tribes and faiths.

successful35:
I choose Taurus over virgo sha. Though Taurus can be temperamental. But you see virgo, they are extremely wicked and evil but you won't detect it easily. Virgo is Scorpios assistant.

hehehehehe .....all humans are good and bad ....lols

Joylove2324:
Sorry to disappoint those asking for the vice president, the man is too intelligent to be ignored, always active.

. .and always evolving grand sustainable development projects that baffles the enemies of progress that have done everything to limit the calm, indefatigable and highly cerebral VP .

successful35:
My own problem is that I love women with sex appeal which is something majority of virgo women don't have. They are beautiful but they don't have sex appeal. That's why I prefer Taurus to Virgo.

lols....you must choose.

successful35:
Virgo women are one of the best women for marriage. Look at mercy johnson. If virgo woman marry, she cuts off her past completely.

True...I have noticed some Virgos to be so.

successful35:
It's a 2 way street when it comes to the fire signs Aries, Sagittarius and Leo. Among this signs, Sagittarius is the worse. Most Sagittarius are hoes when they are in their 20s and then they start chasing men by the time they get to 30+

Aries women can be unfaithful too and it's far much easier to see a faithful Aries woman than Sagittarius woman. It's not advisable to date a Sagittarius woman when she is in her 20s, she go use chearing frustrate you. And even if you marry A Sagittarius woman, she will cheat on you with the slightest provocation.

Personally, Aries is the most faithful fire sign and Sagittarius is not too different from the other whores like Gemini, Libra, Aquarius and Scorpio.

isn't Beyonce Sagittarius? she waited for JayZ to come marry her ,and even when he cheated, she refused to react the way the world had expected. Personal discipline is all I see here. sorry I just confirmed JayZ to be Sagittarius and Bey ,Virgo .

successful35:
Personally, I give marital peace to Taurus and Virgo. If you enter street to carry olosho sef, you go rarely see Taurus or Virgo. Capricon good small but their love for money is out of this world.

lols . ..but sometimes the individual has a big role to play. Western Astrological permutations say Aries women are damn cheats but I know a self disciplined Aries that married as a virgin at 28 to her long time boyfriend, and she was from a humble background!