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[quote author=aloy-emeka link=topic=402036.msg5559549#msg5559549 date=1266820848][size=14pt]This issue has been beaten to death here many times.[/size][/quote]Like I said, chalenge my facts or keep it moving. I don't have time for your loony talk.

[quote author=aloy-emeka link=topic=402036.msg5559449#msg5559449 date=1266818844]Yes igbo people ruined Nigeria
acred when their guardian angel filled with Yoruba love, babapupa is alive. Talk is cheap, action speaks louder than words.[/b][/size][/color][/quote]Dispute/challenge my facts or keep it moving. I just can't be bothered with your loony talk.

RichyBlacK:
There is no diversion here.

These are the principles of a nation, including Nigeria:
1. All citizens are guaranteed equal rights.
2. The rights of citizens are not dependent on the geographical location they find themselves, except it explicitly stated.
3. Every citizen has the right to do business any where in the nation.
4. Citizens reserve the right to self-defense to save life and property.

Tell me which of the above principles you disagree with?

How is Nigeria going to get better when everyone is too scared to do anything about it? Learn to fight!

Well said, except that Igbo people before and after the war were blessed with the same rights enjoyed by the westerners and northerners.
Just because Igbo people and Huasa people in the north weren't getting along doesn't mean they were not part of Nigeria or were denied any kind of rights. What happened was limited to the northern part of Nigeria.

An Igbo man was the president of Nigeria, an Igbo man was the vice presidents of Nigeria, Igbo men were and still are ministers, senators, governors permanent secretaries, managers and directors of paratatals all over the country, Igbo men are major power brokers in the same Nigeria.

All your paranoia talk just doesn't hold any water, just the same selfish and preferential treatment talk.

RichyBlacK:
Answer:
1. The attacks were coordinated by a Nigerian government made up of elements with anti-Igbo sentiments; those who executed the July 1966 coup and justified the massacre of Igbo military officers with the actions of the January 1966 coup plotters

Do you have any credible evidence stating that the attacks against Igbo was sanctioned and coordinated by the federal government of Nigeria? If north, please let's not waste our time debating phantom and unproven hand me downs.

You're talking to the wrong person about the 66 coups because violence begets violence, don't start what you can not finish. You don't go around slaughtering other people in cold blood, killing their innocent wives in front of their kids, murdering pregnant women and expect them to do nothing, especially after the next Igbo head of state conveniently looked the other way and refused to slap the killers on the wrist talk-less doing the required under military articles.

Igbo people started/introduced coups and subsequent bloodletting in Nigeria straight out of independence. We are at this point today because of the actions of elements withing the Igbo community.

Igbo people need to understand that their actions against other people causes pain and suffering and they don't have any kind of monopoly when it comes to violence. You described what happened to Igbo military men as massacre but you conveniently refused to use the same term to describe what Igbo people did to innocent people and pregnant women.

Perpetrating evil against other people doesn't mean other people will sit on their hands and do nothing, we all feel pain.

The sun doesn't rise and set on Igbo people.

RichyBlacK:
Aren't you supposed to learn from history? Wasn't that what your type have characterized as a mistake?

True, Ndi-Igbo left other parts of Nigeria because of the government-coordinated massacres. They were tired and wanted to be by themselves. Then, the rest of Nigeria asked: "Why are you taking this too far? We would protect you. Go back to where you were coming from". Ndi-Igbo refused because they didn't trust the Nigerian government. The war started, was fought, Biafra lost, "no victor, no vanquished", Biafra was rebuilt, Igbos went back to every part of Nigeria to do business.

Why can't you learn from this?

Biafra was attacked based on the principle of "One Nigeria". That lesson has been learned. Why do you want to relearn the lesson?

Fight for your rights in your country!

It's this same lot that will be screaming for rights in another man's country (e.g., the UK) when you're too timid to fight for what you believe in, even to the death!

Please, let's keep this discussion sane and rational. Who blamed Igbo people for migrating back east. Abeg stay focus and leave irrelevancies alone. I see another Igbo against the world diversion.

EzeUche:
And the Igbos are right back in Jos. You don't hear these ppl targetting Igbos anymore. They know that an Igbo man will fight back. They attack one Igbo in Jos, and all the Hausa in Igboland will be slaughtered. They know it would take one killing of an Igbo by Hausa miscreants and the Igbo will do 100x the slaughtering.

Ok let me ask you one more time in case your honestly missed my question,

Do you mind explaining to us why almost a million Igbo migrated back to Igboland from Hausa land after tons of Igbo folks got slaughtered? Furthermore, they killed thousands of Igbo people, not just one. So, tell me why they did not stay and fight the hausa people?

EzeUche:
Yorubas are some cut in run cowards. lol These Yorubas in Nairaland are questioning why the guy is in Jos. He believes in One Nigeria, but these fools are too scared to leave their comfort zone and go to other places in Nigeria.

Do you mind explaining to us why almost a million Igbo migrated back to Igboland from Hausa land after tons of Igbo folks got slaughtered? Abi they just went back east for vacation and sightseeing? Why den no just stay and claim on Nigeria?

You guys don't even try to make sense no more,

Hold yourself and stay focus, asking you to provide has nothing Ignorance, ignorance is claiming to know what you really don't know

Just posting you hard facts would have sufficed.

Abi what's taxi drivers and polygamy got to do with population and you producing credible data to back up your claim?

And you don't have to trash talk to prove your point, it's not really hard to engage and be civil at the same time. [quote author=aloy-emeka link=topic=402036.msg5559202#msg5559202 date=1266811769]Ignorance at its best. I have hard facts about population figures and migration. If you have lived or been to Jos, you will have an idea.  98% of the buses,taxis and okadas in Jos are Yoruba owned. 10% of Unijos lecturers are Yorubas.  These men have families and many of them are polygamists. I am sure these transport operators and their families alone will culminate into 50k. Count other Yorubas hanging around Jos and you can easily get 200k. Once again, you have never been to Jos.[/quote]

These clowns no get shame ni? Why are they embarrassing themselves and Nigeria because of one man. Is Yaradua bigger than Nigeria?

Impeach this man and let the country move, Saudi can keep him till eternity if den like.

[quote author=aloy-emeka link=topic=402036.msg5559073#msg5559073 date=1266807427]It's apparent to me that you do not know the number of Yorubas resident in Jos. we are talking thousands here. Should he become the biblical Moses who should take his people out of the cursed land in dire economic circumstances?. What structures do you have in place to contain over 200,000 families migrating to the South west at once[many of which have never been to the South west before in their lives]?.

Do you have any auxiliary plans about their upkeep, shelter and employment?.[/quote]Abeg, ease up on the numbers or produce official data documenting the exact population of Yoruba people in Jos or outside Yorubaland in general.

And about migrating out of Jos, didn't almost a million Igbo once migrated out of the northern region because of sustained violence against them? Or you just think same doesn't apply to migrating Yoruba people or they're incapable?

Now, what do you value most? Your life or shelter and employment? And if I might add, most Yuruba families have family/relatives houses back home.

[quote author=aloy-emeka link=topic=402036.msg5559045#msg5559045 date=1266806826]Why should he vacate Jos with other Yorubas when Yorubas themselves arrived Jos way before the Hausas?. Are they not Nigerians by the way?. Geez.   [/quote]What difference does it make? The primary responsibility of any leader is the safety and protection of his/her people.

How do you justify your people getting slaughtered while you're out there screaming I was here first?

Safety first friend.

RichyBlacK:
Why should they leave? Didn't they fight for "One Nigeria"? Why not fight back? Why not remind the fo.ols that every Nigerian has the right to live wherever he/she wants and that barbaric actions like murder will have consequences?

Why not take a stand to keep Nigeria one?

My stance has nothing to do wight one Nigeria because Nigeria is till one Nigeria, what's going on out there is your generic break down of law and order and needless violence. The rest of Nigeria is still in tact and not up in arms.

Shield your unfounded and unguided paranoia abeg.

It beats me why folks ventures into lawless and hostile regions. Instead of fighting for equal recognition, his primary goal should be getting his people out of that cess of violence and primtivity.

udennaa:
@afam,dede1 n co.
i wonder y u people waste time defending d lies of babapupa n co against d igbos.i read some of d quotes but consider it a waste of time replying those weaklings.yorubas are noise makers n never to be trusted,they should admit their cowardice n betrayal of d igbos at d wake of d war.i owe nobody any apology,Dim remains a hero,d igbos have no regret going to war n should d need arise in future we'll do d same.imagine d idiots who sold out at d dying minute coming here to talk nonsense.In our culture men dont banter words with women,so,i advice u quit defending these rubbish.gbam!

Don't you have to @ least pull out the so called lies before running your mouth?

And how did Yoruba people sold out? what exactly did they do and how they did it?

Ojukwu betrayed and sold you out, he didn't have any personal believe or conviction to die for what he made sure his people died and suffer for.

That really should be your primary point of reasoning, not obvious blind loyalty and cool aid talk.


Calling people idiots/names must be the thing to do within the Igbo community. Some of you not only lack manners and comity, you are too infantile and socially incapable of functioning like adults in public without throwing tantrums and acting out.

Talk about double jeopardy.


Na you biko,

Afam:
Makes a lot of difference. Every time your lies are exposed you come up with the useless question - "What difference does it make?"

Stop lying or if you cannot stop be bold enough to acknowledge them whenever they are exposed.

Let's have a quick re-cap and summary.


It's been solidly confirmed in this thread that Ojukwu needlessly and selfishly starved his people for propaganda proposes and to elongate the war.

It's been solidly confirmed in this thread that your coward and betrayal rallying cry is the other way around because in times of shipwrecks and disasters, the captain is always the last person to leave the ship, unfortunately, Ojukwu cowardly abandoned the people he lead to war and their deaths and bolted for the door. This is nothing but the true definition of a weak leader, a betrayer and a coward.

It's been solidly confirmed in this thread that Yoruba military leadership saved the lives of so many Igbo people via the brave operations of the 3rdMC units which forced Ojukwu to run and ultimately the Biafra Army surrendering and ending the war. Obviously with Ojukwu still in charge for an extra minute/hr/day = many more unnecessary deaths, pain and suffering.

It's been solidly confirmed in this thread that despite the usual cry baby nonsense about YORUBA people are weak, Yoruba people actually whopped the Biafran Army and forced the Biafran Arny surrender to a Yoruba man. Obviously, the weak claim is the other way around.



My personal view:

No region has any kind of monopoly to facts/history of Nigeria. We're all Nigerians and we all know what happened and how it happened.

It's absolutely Ok to express your personal views, just preface that it's your personal views and not any kind historical facts or re-writes.

You are free to start a million and one Ojukwu and Biafra rally threads to your hearts desire, that's your problem and God's given right, just be mindful that ridiculing other people (Yoruba people) is absolutely unacceptable and we're always around the corner to respond in kind and challenge/dispute any miss-facts and lies.

It's your choice.

Afam:
Who is debating OBJ here? Have you slept for the past few days? Stop imagining things and reason like a human being.

My comment about Adekunle was to correct the lie that someone told that Biafra surrendered to Adekunle, a lie that you yourself corrected again because it was OBJ that received the instrument of surrender.

How old are you? Your level of reasoning is really low and it has become more obvious since the thread wasn't about abusing tribes any longer so you seem lost and confused.


You stated that Biafra surrendered to Adekunle, a complete lie that I pointed out. Ask other before you it is better for you to admit your lie and move on than to try to put a spin on it otherwise you will end up self destructing here.

Stop spreading lies, simple.

What difference does it make? Biafra got whooped and they surrendered to 3rMRC once lead by a brave warrior Adekunle and later by another brave warrior Obasanjo.

It's still possible to make your points without the useless trash talk and insults. Freeking kids,

Afam:
Someone tried to talk about the war and stated that Biafra surrendered to Adekunle. This shows the level of stupidity and lack of knowledge some people display here. If basic facts cannot be respected then there is serious wahala.

I stated several times that the 3rd marine commando lead by Colonel Olusegun Obasanjo whooped the Biafran rag tag rebels and insurgents. Ojukwo saw them and ran like smoked out of cave rat. Also that Biafra surrendered to Obasanjo.  

I known you're  known to be a liar, but try dispute the above before spewing you made up Adekunle tales.

Onlytruth:
You have done irreparable damage to your people by your gloating and mocking of innocents who were starved to death by your father Awolowo. Keep up the good work!

You sound like a troubled drama queen,

Igbo people should really ban this dude from saying anything on their behalf.

Do you even read/believe the nonsense you typed?

Afam:
And it took the Nigerian Army with the help and support from world powers 3 years to defeat this rag tag rebels? Wonderful.

what difference does it make, Biafra lost right?

Brigade ko, barricade ni,

Afam:
If we had a situation whereby the admin will ban your username for life so that you stop posting anything on this forum I would reproduce the response and the subsequent one.

I will not be made to pay for your forgetfulness or short memory by getting you the link.

Let me see if I can give you a hint, check the thread where you boldly maintained that Nzeogwu was an Easterner and when challenged you claimed back then the Mid West was deemed to be Eastern region. You see that your blunders have been many and now you can't remember anything.

All talk, no action.


Post the dang thing and stop the drama. Liar,

Afam:
Pay attention young man. The post you are responding to was based on nex's comment which was reproduced and responded to.

Don't you know the difference between your posts and that of other people?

Don't add confusion to the problem you have now otherwise you will simply run mad.

Your level of olodoness is really high.

What difference does it make, you're still a lair,

nex:
@babapupa



his insults I can even tolerate. What I can't stand are his lies. How can someone just wake up and say I've been exposed to be a tribalist and lie that I was calling for the extermination of a tribe when I've never even conceived of such a thing?

Unfortunately, dude is a liar too. They play the same crooked games all the time.

Afam:
Mumu, there is a world of difference between insulting a tribe and responding to a person in kind.

Are you this daft that you do not understand the difference?

If you pass dis stage trust me you go begin catch fly for road. I can imagine how confused you look right now. Kpele!

It makes no difference to me and you can not make your own rules or decide and quantifies who gets insulted.

Don't insult and call people names. PERIOD.

Everything that comes out of your mouth sounds daft, but you don't here me call you daft.


Abeg stop crying,

Afam:
You have justified the massacres of the Igbos and blamed the Igbos for the war. What more do you need to state? I don't know what you conceive but I know (based on your comments) what you mean. And that I have emphasized.

Don't you have to prove or at least provide evidence per how I justified the massacres of the Igbos.


I do remember stating that people die in war and blockade is an accepted war strategy and you're free to prove me wrong on that. In the last war between Hamas and Israel, Hamas was under blockade and still under blockade almost 2 years after the end of the war.

So what's your point really?

Stay with the facts and stop getting emotional again.

Afam:
Shameless man. Now that I have proven to you that I have never insulted the Yorubas or any tribe for that matter you have turned to "you guys".

You did not prove anything, infact, you are lying because you've insulted and called people names in this thread.

Now, who insulted or called you names?  You don't even here us reciprocate by calling you names. No manners and lack of home training is not our thing, that's your people's thing starting from you, R.black, dede1, onlytruth and the rest of them.

Dede1:
No, I meant the Brafran brigades.

I meant Biafra didn't have any brigades, they were nothing but rag tag rebels and insurgents engaged in bush skirmishes.

Afam:
Desperation seems to be setting in here.

As a matter of fact I have never insulted the Yorubas or even the Hausas here or any where else because I will be silly to do that based on the fact that all Yorubas or all Hausas cannot be the same.

You see how clueless and silly you are? When I stated that your level of reasoning was low you mistakenly thought I was abusing you abi? See how you are supplying proof.

I can never get to your miserable level where I will be insulting a whole tribe, never, such nonsense is beneath me but certainly at your level. Live with that fact.

Please, these irrelevant nonsense is getting old. You and your people's BS insults and utterances is all over this thread in technicolor

Afam:
for anyone to insult a tribe or an ethnic group based on the actions of a few people. - BIG DIFFERENCE.

Is this not what you guys do for fun every single day on NL?

Do you guys not hate Awolowo and Yoruba people/

Do you not blame Yoruba people for Biafra and everything under the sun?

Do you see us starting threads just diss Igbo people like you guys do at will?

The fact is, we don't have insecurity issues like you guys, this is something you guys need to work on.

babapupa:
We must rise above the tribal bigotry and address issues as they come without insulting a whole tribe since it is not possible for anyone to be dealt with by a whole tribe.

Insulting a people is both wrong and silly.

Maybe you and your people should start by practicing what you're preaching here.

What you need to know is the fact that we are sick and tired of your needless anti Yoruba rants, you can't keep starting threads and posts insults just to trash and ridicule other people, it's just a matter of time before they respond accordingly.

You can recycle and regurgitate your Biafra dreams till eternity, we just don't care, start talking crap about Yoruba people and and we'll care and respond. It's your choice.


We don't look for trouble, but start one and we'll help you finish it. SIMPLE.

Afam:
You may be easily deceived by his type but not me.

I have answered his question before and he knows it. Ashamed of what? Ojukwu's mistake is not Afam's mistake so why should I be ashamed of what someone else may have done?

The problem with people like you is that you see everything through tribal prisms. Keep your tribal bigotry aside for a moment and you will see clearly.

I have gone beyond abusing a tribe as you effortlessly do here because it is silly to do so.

Still, your response was way off base.

Labeling everything bigotry don't bother me, you're free to keep repeating it though.

I don't insult, I don't abuse. I dare you to pull any post where I call people names, like slowpoke, slowpoke and all the other adjectives you guys use.

Calling people names doesn't help my argument, my facts does,

Afam:
If you cannot get basic facts right about Ojukwu in spite of his mistakes then answering your equally childish question would amount to a waste of time. You must learn to respect a people first before expecting answers to any questions you may have unless of course your life revolves around insulting a people while claiming not to be doing so.

At least, you have been unmasked, thanks to you.

Your apology belongs to the trash can because you are worse than I had ever thought. If you can deny my response which was a direct response then you won't even have any problem denying your own father in public. You disgust me with your shameless lies.

If you cannot remember or cannot find the direct answer I gave you which you even commented on then taking otapiapia before sleeping this night would put you out of your misery.

Is it not the same misguided hatred that made you to only realize a few days ago that Nzeogwu was not an Easterner? And yet when people discuss about the civil war you bring out your hands to type nonsense.

All this because he politely asked you a question.


Saying you have no answer or you're too ashamed to answer would have sufficed instead of your unnecessary perambulation and trash talk.