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Fhemmmy:
You are so hilarious, i cld name how many times i have send mail to some Nigerian's leader's mail unresponded to, which i later realizes that most might never even check the mail.
I have called numbers i have been given, later realized, they are all pizza pizza number, so once again, dont go concluding without facts

I don't see how your little rant changes the fact that good or bad, it's still your required civic obligation.

kyuubi:
LWKMD!!! 
Una no go kill person for NL with all these imported delusions 

Just because you and other Nigerians don't exercise your rights doesn't mean some Nigerians are not , or it's imported delusions.

It sounds like imported delusions because you and others created the atmosphere that makes it look like delusions and difficult to attain fair representation from our elected officials,

Instead of encouraging what we know is the right thing to do, we sit and laugh at ourselves while the lousy elected officials carry on sidelining us.

The joke is on us collectively.

Fhemmmy:
You make me do a makossa laugh.
We are talking of Nigeria and not US of A.
I am sure you dont reside in Nigeria, maybe you are not even a Nigerian . . . . .u be lost Nigerian

But you're the same person demanding rule of law and democracy in Nigeria.

Talk abut selective mentality and hypocrisy,

Fhemmmy:
Hahahahahahahah
I am not worried at all that you are questioning credibility. . . . . Not at all.
So send me to where i can read about the reports of EFCC on Fashola . . . . . . .I just would love to learn and apologize, if i am/was wrong

Glad to know that.

Like I said, the efcc thing is already in the media, just google and read.

"Now that the EFCC came and found nothing illegal or criminal as they x-rayed Fashola's office, and having found nothing incriminating in his political wardrobe, the project of making Lagos a new megacity should proceed unabated. Lagosians should continue to lend their support. EFCC members must have felt grossly disappointed as they flip through Fashola's wardrobes recently finding nothing incriminating . There is no doubt that this action could have been politically motivated.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201002251301.html

Fhemmmy:
can he do more or do i expected more? You bet i do, cos Lagos is making so much money and with his new taxes.
If the FG is not being fair to him as per capital sharing, so are N-Delta . . . . . .

Once again, the "Why Fashola dont wanna be probed" was a thread and i am sure you saw my post there.
No need for me to discredit him, cos so far compared to all other governors that has been before him, he has done a lot and wonder, however, there is need to do more to make lagos a state to be reckoned with.

But did you say or did not say that EFCC probed Fashola and they found nothing?

I suggest you give him more money, I guarantee you he'll do more. We have budgets for a reason. You can not spend more than what you have, we all have limitations so kindly curb that. Fashola himself never stopped saying more wok need to be done and all objective and reasonable people knows that so you are not saying anything new or what we don't know.

It's even comical talking about Lagos and delta in the same breath. Lagos is like a country while delta looks like a village. Lagos is the largest employer and maintainer of civilian manpower in Nigeria after the federal government. How many states and governors is managing the affairs of 18 million people? I really wonder why you're questioning for questioning your credibility.


About efcc, yes I did and I'm standing by my statement.

Fhemmmy:
And what do you call that above?
Once again, when you are quoting me, quote me correctly.
Just in case you have selective sight/hearing . . . . .I said, IF, i am sure you know the meaning IF . . . .IF he did all that was said on thread, reason why Fashola dont wanna be probed, that it was sad and i later said, that i have seen pictures of him planting flowers.
However, i remember asking too that how much is lagos making in a year and how much has been spent on all he did, if anyone knows, and till now, no one knows.
What has been the procedure that he follow to give contract?
has he come out anytime to deny any of the allegations levelled against him?

You later said EFCC Probed him and found nothing - And i said, point me to that probe that i wanna read about it too, and you are yet to send me to that link, and now yu resulted in personal attack about credibility?
Common, you can do better than that
i will not attack you personally, cos that is not how i talk about politics

Saying fashola is only planting flowers just to discredit the man and his work strips you of any credibility.

You did not say anything about him planting flower because the argument was not about who saw him planting flowers. You threw that in to discredit him. At least be honest with yourself.

Now, show me where Fashola stated tha he doesn't want to be probed.

And I asked you so many questions that you ignored in different threads way before I even mentioned efcc.

Saying you have no credibility only depicts your utterances, not a personal attacks, I know the difference.

It's funny how everybody want to run mouth about Lagos, but they don't know anything and are so lazy to learn about Lagos. Every thing the man is doing with the state's money is on his website.

About efcc and Fashola, it's a done deal and it's in the media, do some googling and empower yourself for your own good.

And for the last time, Fashola is not under any obligation to defend himself on the side walk, sensible people don't do that. The burden of proof is not on him, it's on the people leveling the allegations, the procecutors and state legistlators, it's up to them to produce proof of wrong doing (which they don't have) and place it in front of the people of lagos and the judiciary. Besides, he responded already. Google is your friend.

Does the phrase anything you say can be used against you in a court of law mean anything to you? The man is a lawyer, not mumu like the idiots peddling fallacies,

Do you people attend school sef?

Fhemmmy:
Show me where and the exact word used to say that.
You were the one that said that EFCC probed Fashola and found nothing on him, so i am asking you, where can i read about that, cos i wanna learn.
If you read my post well, i said, IF THE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE, i am disappointed, so when you wanna say what i said, quote me well.

But EFCC has nothing to do with my questions.

You already lied that Fashola is doing nothing but planting flowers. You have zero credibility, you've shown your bad bele and bias already,


Answer them first then we'll move on to efcc,

Fhemmmy:
My guy, i have nothing against anyone, and never would i.
Like i said on the other thread, tell/show me where the EFCC has said nothing was found on Fashola, and i would apologize.

Then why accuse people of wrong doing without proof?

Why rubbish other people's name without evidence? .Are you being fair to the man and his family?

Are you being fair to Laosians who voted him into office?


The questions I asked you has nothing to do with efcc.


You insinuated that he committed fraud.

My question to you is,

What exactly did he do?

who did he defrauded and how?

Do you have any proof to show lagosians that their governor committed fraud against them?

snowdrops:
He has none. He is just here to add up numbers and make us laugh or frown .

Just trying to give the guy some level of credibility because he has none.

The same guy cluelessly said Fashola is doing nothing but planting flowers? With bold face lie and mischievous statement like that, you have no choice buy to rule out people like that, talk less taking them seriously,

Fhemmmy:
Just a simple question.
How come u cant answer a simple question.

Mind you, i think this thread shd be put down fast, but are you babapupa.

You shouldn't be asking people to answer questions. I've asked you tons on questions and you still have not answered them.

You sound like an hypocrite.

I know the reason why you don't want to answer, you're basically trying not to reveal your bad bele because you don't have anything to put forward to support your mean spirited allegations.

What is your own agenda? What do you get from accusing people of wrong doing without evidence? What is your own angle.

Or is it that you don't have anything and it's juts the same ol' bad bele?

forpeace:
This Nairalander is well known to be a fashola employee with the way he jumps ay any opportunity to defend d corrupt governor and he also constaantly posts exclusive pics and information abt d governor.

In one of his posts he asserts that fashola is only obliged and required to defend his allehggations before a court of lae,

Isn't thid mischevoous and foolish sincr we all know BRF as a sitting governor is protected by immunity from any court??

Who does babapupa think he's fooling or deceiving?

Fashola is a civil servant and he is not above the law. If Fashola violated people's trust and engaged in any kind of criminality, he should be charged, prosecuted and impeached.

All we're saying is, do it the right way, not the backward and 3rd world way.

Take to the people who voted him into office/Lagosians what he did wrong and proof of wrong doing by the Governor. Let them know he reason why you are taking away their Governor. Lagosians are not mumu, they know exactly what is going on.

Are we so backward that we jump and impeach a public official just because of some unsubstantiated and unproven news paper insinuations?

Did the legislators asked the same colluding group for any proof of wrong doing by the governor apart  from their unfounded stories?

Do we have a court in Nigeria that entertains lawsuits based on just news article stories?

What planet are you people living on gan sef?

You all sound very very insane.

nateevs:
I am taking a very strange position here and this it.

It is okay and actually rightful to say "because he has done good for the state does not mean he is above the law" . . However, I can only accept this statement when there is a total structure and a near fool-proof code of conduct for the lesgislative and judicial arms of government.

Do we have a system that protects a governor from being removed from office by legislators acting in their own self interests? If the answer is yes, then carry on with the probe.

Do we have an ordinance that governance lives by which protects the office from political party lords? If the answer is yes, then continue with the probe. 

Will this process open up a catalogue of cases of alleged corruption and financial misappropriation by past and present leaders for scrutiny and investigation. ?

Until these we can provide a yes to these questions. . . This whole process is bullsh.it. I love to see Fashola probed and probably removed if guilty of the allegations. However only if I can be assured that the investigations will spark a chain of other investigations to follow. Past and present Presidents and Heads-of-state.governors, Ministers, legislators, councillors, directors in public establishment and so on.


Until I can be convinced that we are prepared to take these steps, I cannot help but see the current on-goings as a one-off attempt at system correction which looks, feels and smells like another politically motivated campaign.

Let no one tell me it's about transparency. . . If you think so, you are a f.ool. Until we can fully probe the process of how the legislators got elected, how they raised their money, who gave who what, how much money was spent, how they got the money, how much money they have spent since they got elected, how much they allocated to their personal coffers, no one . . Not one single one of them can claim moral uprightness to call someone corrupt.

I know how this will end. BRF will be found guilty, impeached and a new man will be moved into office and then:

1. All contracts awarded by the previous administration will be reversed.
2. As a result, all works on major projects by the previous administration will grind to a halt.
3. After a few months of contractors chasing money, they'll get fed up, abandon part completed roads, gutters and buildings, count their losses and walk away.
4. After a year, we'll start throwing dirt on the streets again.
5. The homeless will return to the bridges - uproot all the flowers and make homes for themselves.
5. Area boyz will return to the bust-stops, tax the drivers and the drivers will pass the cost unto the passenger. 
6. Traders will return to Oshodi.
7. Roadside trading will return and hence we will welcome back the traffic jams.
8. The new administration have suddenly discovered that Lagos state can generate more revenue that they imagined- N20b. They'll stick to tax collection and then share and spend the money.
9. Big and life changing projects like the Expansion of the Badagry expressway, Lekki - Ikorodu road, Energy City, Eko Atlantic City, Lagos Rail and an array of privately owned idea and architectural edifices springing all over the place becos of the new era will all come to a stand still. 
9. The Lagos State bond, if ever was successful will never be repaid to investors.
10. The BRT buses will al be sold off while they still have value, the CCTV cameras, Solar panels will all be stolen after years of inactivity.
11. The chaos and filth will all return and then we will go back to being just what we have always known Lagos State to be.

The dirtiest, filthiest and most corrupt state in the world. Status quo! 

Now I wonder what we will be agitating for then.


The people deserve the leadership they get. . . Simples!

Simply Excellent,

Fhemmmy:
Lagos is important, and that is why it is important to make sure that the leaders there leads well and not by enriching their wallets.
I know u will say, how about other states . . . . .just cos they are wrong, does not make it right

You've been repeating the same line for how many days now? First you said all he's doing is planting flowers, but we proved you wrong with concrete evidence of what he's actually doing. Now it's insinuations of wrong doing.

Before you rubbish the man's name, why don't you go ahead and tell us exactly what he did wrong and show us how he did it with proof.

EFCC did their investigation and found nothing, I mean nothing.

Repeating the same lies and innuendos doesn't change the fact that till you come up with something, they are still lies and innuendos.  

Nigerians are the most mean spirited people in the world, no wonder we're stagnating in the wilderness.

Justcash:
The guy made it clear that he doesn't want to go out of Lagos. He is criticising Fashola. That is not unlawful, afterall as he said, he pays his tax to Lagos state.

And we've made it clear that we are not against people criticizing, we just want people to bring forward what they are criticizing him for, what has he done wrong/ what evidence of criminality do you have against him?

Why is it so hard for you to clearly outline what he did wrong and what evidence you have against him? Is th
is not how they do things in democratic societies?

It's amazing how we want and love to claim we have rights to to criticize and do anything we want like they do in civilized societies, but in civilized societies, people don't go around accusing other people of wrong doing without proof off wrong doing. It's only done in a banana republic like ours by the same people who think they are doing what others do in civilized societies.

Some of you still have stone age mentality and are not ready to mingle with civilized people.

gbengapro:
Babapupa, your logic is upside down and you are obviously an old fool.  A group has come out to petition the house that Fashola embezzled public funds and he went to court (using a proxy) to stop further investigation by the house, he has not deemed it fit to explain to the public and anoher group came it with more revelations. 

What do you expect us members of the public to belief? Do you want us to continue singing his praise and glorifying him?  Please dont treat us like fools.

I predict Fashola will eventually be impeached by the house because he is dining with the devil with a short spoon.  Those who ride at the back of the tiger will soon end up in its stomach

Mr superb logic, do you and your group have any proof/evidence that he embezzled money besides insinuations? 

If yes, then put up or shut up.

The yeye group didn't say anything about embezzlement, but trust disgruntled bad bele people on NL to add their own jara.

You people are getting comical by the minute.

Fashola don't own you jacks!.s!hit till you and your silly group show proof of wrong doing in a court of law. Till then, find something better to do with your time.

bawomolo:
you obviously don't know the definition of metropolitan area either.
your man crush on fash is amusing though

What do you know about Lagos state?

Lagos City has nothing to do with anything beyond the 3 bridges. The city of Lagos is located on the Island and it's HQ is the Lagos City hall and it's been that way since the colonial era.

Each local government in Lagos state is a city with their own individual chairmen or Mayors.

Shed your Ignorance, Lagos city is not Lagos state, it's a city within Lagos state and it's on the Island, not mainland.


This is the seat of government in the city of Lagos and it's called Lagos city hall, not ajegunle city hall.


https://i50.tinypic.com/157zpt1.jpg

Though he responded already, too bad you conveniently missed it. He is not under any obligation legally or constitutionally to respond to every baseless and unproven allegations except in a court of law with credible proof of wrong doing presented. He said he'll respond at the appropriate time, meaning when evidence/proof of wrong doing on his part is produced in a court of law or before the state legislatures.


What do you really want from the man? You want him to go door to door or hold daily press conference and endlessly defend himself against what?
All we have so far is just talk and silly innuendos by some group and you're siting here calling it fraud, do you or the people behind the silly nonsense have any proof that he did anything wrong? How come they haven't produced anything till this very second? How come we still don't have any exposes and revelations in the media, even by the people making the allegations.

Are we really ready to crucify the man because of some words of mouth allegations? The burden is on the accusers to take their case to court or before the grand jury where all evidence of wrong doing gets tendered to decide if the allegations have any merit or before the legislators.

Again, what do you want the man to do? He said there's no need to demonstrate in his support and he'll respond when the people making the accusations gets their act together and present something via the legislative body or court of law.

Any reasonable human being talk less a lawyer don't go around talking till he knows for sure what he's being accused of.

You guys need to stop acting as if Lagos is a banana republic where people scream ole and the accuser heads to the gallows. There is due process to follow. It's called democracy. You guys need to stop thinking and acting like we still live in the stone age.

Fashola is the governor of Lagos state and he's not running anywhere, he'll be here to attend to their allegations when the time comes. In civilized societies, they don't discuss and defend allegations on the side walk, they do it in the court of law under oath.

It's very disappointing looking at people talking about democracy, but they still reason undemocratically. Some of us are not matured or ready to toe the true lines of democracy.

We still have scream Ole, shower with petrol and kill, no freeking due process or any kind civilized sense of jurisprudence.

Doe's the phrase anything you say can be used against you in a court of law mean anything to you? Fashola is a lawyer, not your average pepper soup honorable.

EFCC already looked in Fashola's wardrobe, his personal account and everything Fashola and found nothing illegal or incriminating.

Don't we all know EFCC has the best financial forensic in Africa, if EFCC didn't find anything, what is the legislature going to find?

"Now that the EFCC came and found nothing illegal or criminal as they x-rayed Fashola's office, and having found nothing incriminating in his political wardrobe, the project of making Lagos a new mega city should proceed unabated. Lagosians should continue to lend their support. EFCC members must have felt grossly disappointed as they flip through Fashola's wardrobes recently finding nothing incriminating . There is no doubt that this action could have been politically motivated.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201002251301.html

I strongly suggest you read the article, it's not written by Babapupa and I have tons of similar ones like that, just let me know if you need more.

Obviously, decades of lousy and autocratic governance have screwed us up in the head that we don't even thing straight and rational no more.

Fhemmmy:
But has he deny all the allegation against him that he is fraud?

Though he responded already, too bad you conveniently missed it. He is not under any obligation legally or constitutionally to respond to every baseless and unproven allegations except in a court of law with credible proof of wrong doing presented. He said he'll respond at the appropriate time, meaning when evidence/proof of wrong doing on his part is produced in a court of law or before the state legislatures.


What do you really want from the man? You want him to go door to door or hold daily press conference and endlessly defend himself against what?
All we have so far is just talk and silly innuendos by some group and you're siting here calling it fraud, do you or the people behind the silly nonsense have any proof that he did anything wrong? How come they haven't produced anything till this very second? How come we still  don't have any exposes and revelations in the media, even by the people making the allegations.

Are we really ready to crucify the man because of some words of mouth allegations? The burden is on the accusers to take their case to court or before the grand jury where all evidence of wrong doing gets tendered to decide if the allegations have any merit  or before the legislators.

Again, what do you want the man to do? He said there's no need to demonstrate in his support and he'll respond when the people making the accusations gets their act together and present something via the legislative body or court of law.

Any reasonable human being talk less a lawyer don't go around talking till he knows for sure what he's being accused of.   

You guys need to stop acting as if Lagos is a banana republic where people scream ole and the accuser heads to the gallows. There is due process to follow. It's called democracy. You guys need to stop thinking and acting like we still live in the stone age.

Fashola is the governor of Lagos state and he's not running  anywhere, he'll be here to attend to their allegations when  the time comes. In civilized societies, they don't discuss and defend allegations on the side walk, they do it in the court of law under oath.

It's very disappointing looking at people talking about democracy, but they still reason undemocratically. Some of us are not matured or ready to toe the true lines of democracy.

We still have scream Ole, shower with petrol and kill, no freeking due process or any kind civilized sense of jurisprudence. 

Doe's the phrase anything you say can be used against you in a court of law mean anything to you? Fashola is a lawyer, not your average pepper soup honorable.

EFCC already looked in Fashola's wardrobe, his personal account and everything Fashola and found nothing illegal or incriminating.

Don't we all know EFCC has the best financial forensic in Africa, if EFCC didn't find anything, what is the legislature going to find?

"Now that the EFCC came and found nothing illegal or criminal as they x-rayed Fashola's office, and having found nothing incriminating in his political wardrobe, the project of making Lagos a new mega city should proceed unabated. Lagosians should continue to lend their support. EFCC members must have felt grossly disappointed as they flip through Fashola's wardrobes recently finding nothing incriminating . There is no doubt that this action could have been politically motivated.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201002251301.html

I strongly suggest you read the article, it's not written by Babapupa and I have tons of similar ones like that, just let me know if you need more.

Obviously, decades of lousy and autocratic governance have screwed us up in the head that we don't even thing straight and rational no more.

ode remo:
@ babapupa, you started this thread, your posted pictures; without any further illustrations will be meaningless to any  persons not familiar with Lagos as a city or state , bearing in mind this is the www.
how come you developed goose pimples when @gekko posted his/her pictures same way you displayed yours.
are we all supposed to be colour blind?

I posted pictures of Lagos city and he posted pictures of places outside Lagos city. Obviously, he misunderstood my post and was trying to counterbalance what I posted so, I simply let him know the difference between the 2.

It's OK to challenge my post based on what I claimed, not what I did not claim because I didn't say anything about other cities in Lagos state, I said Lagos city.

People just need to read and understand before going for their keyboards.


And if I might add, loving and being proud of your state is not a crime and it doesn't mean you are an apologist or a paid agent. It's nothing but pride and sense of belonging good or bad. I wish other folks have the same level of love and admiration for their different states, towns and villages. Part of our problem in Nigeria is the fact that a lot of us are very cynical about other people and fail to muster the same level of energy used in criticizing other people to do same back in our respective states. We spend too much time worrying about other people when in fact our is not any better.

Lagos is by far not a perfect state, but good or bad, it's still my state and I love it for what it is.

gbengapro:
Thank you Gekko for being objective.

The poster-Baba pupa is Fashola's paid agent. To him, Lagos is already El Dorado. He has never seen the inside of Ajegunle, Amukoko, Ijora Badia, Agege, Makoko, etc. The dirty and slummy areas in Lagos Island, Alimosho, Ojo, Badagry, Alagbado etc.

Lagos still has a long way to go. It was just recently named the 5th worst city in the world while its Governor is busing inflating contracts and looting the treasury

You attain objectivity the minute you figure out the difference between Lagos city and Lagos state. Ajegunle is a city by itself and the rest of the places you mentioned are not Lagos city.

Knowledge is power, seek it first before trying to correct or argue with other people. Don't blame me for your own ignorance.

So, the governor looted too? that's a new one, you learn new stuff on NL everyday.

Na you biko,

ode remo:
as a Yoruba man, babapupa at times embarrass me.

Obviously, I'm not here to dance to your expectations or have you dance to mine. It's a free world.

It's not y fault that grown folks do not know the meaning of city, they think Lagos state means Lagos city.

There is Lagos state and Lagos city. We have Lagos city council and Lagos City Hall for a reason.

Too bad I have to go trough this with folks with little or zero knowledge about Lagos state.

Be embarrassed at yourself, not me.

E be like say den just take back the egunje money wey Fashola blocked from dem,

These mofos are mad shaddy I swear, lmao

Bad bele gone wild,



lmao,



The appropriations committee of the Lagos Assembly has approved the sum of N389.571bn as the 2010 budget, a reduction of N40.025bn from the proposed budget of N429.596bn presented to the House by Babatunde Fashola, the Lagos state governor.

The committee chairman, Kolapo Osunsanya (Eti-osa II), presented the report on the proposed 2010 budget on Tuesday and the report was adopted by the House with few amendments.

The budget, as adopted, is expected to be passed by the House in its Thursday plenary session before proceeding on recess.

Litany of indictments

Though the report agreed that "the budget of the State did not perform badly in the out gone year (2009)," it contained some findings which indict the state executive council of financial misappropriation.

"The committee observed that the yearly approved personnel cost of the state when compared with the actual always shows a wide difference," the report said.

For instance, it was stated that the 2009 approved personnel cost was N54.34bn while the actual personnel cost as at September stood at N31.142bn. "Using a proportionate analysis, the sum total of N41.523bn would be the actual expenditure for the whole year," it said.

Consequently, the report recommended that the proposed N55.079bn personnel cost for 2010 budget be reduced to N45.079bn.

Another notable indictment was the N413m recorded for transfer to other funds in the 2009 budget, for which N75m was actually budgeted. "The N413m could not be accounted for by the ministries of finance and economic planning and budget during their budget defence before the committee," the report said. Therefore, the report recommended that the N50m budgeted for transfer to other funds in 2010 budget should not be approved.

Other recommendations

The report also "noted that it is important to make adjustments in the area of capital expenditure due to the debt profile of the state" and therefore recommended that the 2010 capital expenditure be reduced from N250.778bn to N224.196bn.

The report said the state executive did not consider the recommendations of the House, as garnered during the town hall meetings held across the forty constituencies in the state, in preparing the 2010 budget.

The report recommended that N7.4bn overhead cost and N500m capital expenditure be transferred from the ministry of finance to the budget of the Lagos Internal Revenue Services, as it observed that the LIRS should be autonomous, in line with the law that created it.

The report found "unsatisfactory" the spending of the special expenditure vote by the ministries, departments, and agencies of the government and therefore recommended that approval of the House should be sought and obtained for any special expenditure above N200m.

Ahmed Omisore (fako Ijaye II) commended the recommendation of the report which increased the subvention of the office of the auditor general of the state by deducting N65m from the proposed overhead cost. He also lauded the removal of judicial staff from the "shackles of the ministry of justice" and their placement under the direct control of the judiciary.

Not all doom and gloom

The report was not all about reduction and indictment. It observed the "gross underfunding" of the Lagos Assembly and therefore increased its overhead cost by N3.2bn and then added N50m, which will be deducted from general overhead cost, to the subvention of the Lagos State Independent Electoral Commission "to accommodate the continuous civil/voters education programme if the commission in readiness for the 2011 general elections."

Also, the capital expenditure of the Lagos state judiciary was also increased by N5bn and its overhead cost by N299.1m,

The Lagos State Environmental Protection Agency also had its annual subvention doubled to N72m.

However the ministry of agriculture stood out in disfavour as the recommended N1.418bn increase in capital expenditure and N360m increase in overhead cost were all struck out.

http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/News/Metro/5531181-146/lagos_assembly_slashes_fasholas_budget_by.csp

redsun:
You should be happy it's just tantrum,don't you what most of you guys do deserve neck tie?Kpeme by hanging.

I am not still calling Fashola a thief though but at the same time his decision not to open up and prove the so-called castigators wrong is questionable.

Democrazy the say is the government of people,by the people and for the people.Like a trader will say,customers are never wrong.

The thing is, people go on and on about democracy but have no clue per the true meaning of democracy, it's requirement and method of application, democracy means fairness and due process.

I didn't say Fashola should not be investigated. The fact is, just because we want and have democracy doesn't mean we shouldn't practice it the right way. Democracy is against throwing accusations and investigations at people without due process. You don't drag people through the mud, destroy their good name and investigate them because of hearsay and word of mouth. That is not democracy, that is what they do in banana republic.

Democracy calls for grand jury investigation where concerned parties shows up and forward all available and credible proof of wrong doing, you don't go to the people and assert to them that you heard their Governor did this and that and we're investigating and impeaching him.

Till this very second, we still don't know what exactly they have against the Governor, the incompetent legislators didn't ask the accusers to show proof of wrong doing before asking Lagosians to go along with the investigation and impeachment of their Governor.

Don't they owe the people of Lagos state who voted the Governor into office some kind of proof and explanation to justify their actions and possibility of taking their Governor away from them?

This is the kind of crude and backward ways of doing things that we're trying to get away from. I really don't think Lagosians love the prospect of instant investigation and impeachment without due process and fairness. All sane and democratic societies have process to protect everybody's rights including public officials. They are sure not above the law, but they are citizens just like you and me. I can not accuse you of something and take you to court without providing evidence to justify my legal gripe against you. Doing so opens me up for counter charges, libel and punitive fines, people get away with unprofessional behavior like these in Nigeria because we don't have standards, we don't play fair and we thumb our noses at rule of law.

About Fashola opening up. What do you really want him to open up? The legislature has all the power in the world to subpoena any document from the contractors and the executive. They obviously don't have anything incriminating against the Governor and ot explains the reason why we have not seen anything incriminating on TV and the national dailies.

The burden is on the investigator to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt, not on the accused, the accused can not do the work of the prosecutor. The man is a lawyer and he said he'll respond to their allegations in due time, meaning till they come up with credible evidence of whatever they have against him.

I personally applaud the Governor for not getting down and dirty with these professional clowns, the best thing for him to do is to go on about his business till they come up with something meaningful against him, not petty and silly nonsense like he overspend on this, he gave the contract to that?


We all want democracy, we just need to do it the right way, not the jungle way we've been doing it.

^^^^^

You obviously don't know the meaning of city,


The joke is on you my friend,

redsun:
Manners,you are a typical nigerian with manners,like a white sepulcher,glamorous outside but stinkingly rotten inside.

What else is new?

Instead of throwing tantrums like an invalid, why not just stay out of grown people's talk?

tpia.:
how is the bolded a good thing?

The leaders pushing them to die are still very much alive. And no, I'm not talking about the govt.

however, far be it from me to discourage anyone from fighting for their rights.

By all means be my guest.

Obviously didn't say it was a good thing, I basically stated what happened back then.

Sometimes, you don't have to push people to do anything, they do it because of their strong convictions and sense of right and wrong.

Most successful nations today payed for their freedom and good governance with their blood via revolutions and demonstrations, sometimes, it's just the only way. Ghana next door is a good example. We're just too chicken in Nigeria.

Things have changed, students of today have different priorities, hey spend too much time worrying about materialistic stuff, facebook and NL, they're are not ideological and patriotic like Nigeria students in the 70s and 80s.

Hundreds of student died back then fighting the government and OBJ, Today's students are just weaklings,

Fhemmmy:
However, like i said, he has tried and he needs to do more on other things.
It is obvious that the FG will do nothing about electricity, so i thnk it is time the states start doing something about it, else, we will be left behind and nothing will happen.
great that all those things are being constructed but what is the maintenance plan or strategy?

Now, the population of Lagos state is 18 million and the budget is 2 billion dollars. In your honest opinion and considering the fact that other already developed cities around the world with same amount or even less population, how much do you think they spend a year? These cities spends tens and hundreds of billion dollars a year maintaining already developed infrastructures while Lagos with 18 million people is basically starting from scratch with pea nuts.

I'm sure Fashola would love to perform miracle and transform Lagos state overnight, but some of us a reasonable and rational people and we know it's absolutely impossible, the money is not there to effect such, these things cost money.

After the federal government, Lagos state is the highest employer with almost 120, 000 state workers and they still have to build express ways, roads and bridges, drainage and canals, spend on education, transportation, health, environment, the courts and tons of other state parastatals and still maintain existing infrastructures and build new ones, All with just 2 billion dollars a year.

And if there's any area you feel the state have yet to touch, let me know and I guarantee with you that he already has with what ever he has, just name it and I'll provide evidence that he has, not saying everything is taken care of, just saying he's done something with his limited budget.

We get into the power thing all the time, we all know the reason why there's no stable electricity, I hope we're not trying to rope that around Fashola's neck also. The guy is not a magician, miracle worker or a superman. We demand so much from Lagos with so little, but we demand less from abuja with so much. The guy is the governor of Lagos state, not the president of Nigeria.

Understandably, we scrutinize the state because it's the only picture of good governance and probably the only good thing the country has going for it. We all have some kind of stake because people in other states are looking at Lagos and pressuring their leaders to emulate Lagos state, governors from other states are sending their people to Lagos state to see and copy their model and ways of doing things, other African countries are sending people over too. If people and countries all over the world are recognizing the good work this man is doing and giving him awards for it, what's stopping us from pausing for a moment, look around us and do same.

We really need to move away from the criticize when they do and also criticize when they do mentality, there's got to be some kind of honest, fair and reasonable middle ground somewhere, not just slash and burn all the time.

Fhemmmy:
Babapupa, i never said, he is not trying, however, there is a need for security and how come no one knows the cost so far for all these things.
IS there any information anywhere that talks about how much is coming in and how is being spend and how much they have left?
There is a need for a book to be open and let the people know what is happening to their money, cos the money belongs to the people and he is just an administrator of the money.
However, like i said, he has tried and he needs to do more on other things.
It is obvious that the FG will do nothing about electricity, so i thnk it is time the states start doing something about it, else, we will be left behind and nothing will happen.
great that all those things are being constructed but what is the maintenance plan or strategy?

I truly get your point.

Like I said, it's perfectly OK to demand accountability and even criticize any government including Fashola, but insinuating that all Fashola is doing is planting flowers sounds not only off bases it sounds uninformed and disingenuous. What he's doing with tax payers money is on his website and well documented on sites like Happy Lagosian. You sound like a fair minded and reasonable person, but that flower comment threw me off like are you for real or it was a joke.

About accountability, there's nothing wrong with the public demanding such, we just really have to be careful what we wish for.

We are not gullible people, I though we all have enough common sense to easily translate what is going on here. We have allegations by some group claiming the Governor overspend on projects and he mismanaged state funds so he needs to be investigated.

The question now is, is this all it takes to investigate a governor, is this all you need to distract and grind down the wheels of government, just throw anything out there with zero credible documented evidence or paper trail? Did the state legistlators presented to the people of Lagos state what evidence of wrong doing  by their Governor? Of course not. It simply means 18 million Lagosians are free to to levy anything against any arm of the government and have them investigated and they have zero burden to provide anything to back up their allegations.

We are obviously trying to have it both ways, we want to live like civilized people but we are not willing to act civilized and do what they do in civilized societies. They don't go around accusing people in civilized nations without credible proof of wrong doing, people get sued and fined for such. People get away with it in Nigeria because we have low standards and ignorant and unenlightened public.

My stance is, go ahead and investigate Fashola, we as Lagosians just need to see what credible evidence the group and legislators have to further their case against the governor. This is what they do in sane and civilized countries, unfortunately in a banana republic like ours, we do things the crude and opposite way. We have no set standard for anything, we can accuse anything under the sun for anything and rubbish their name with impunity and without any repercussions. Is this fair to the governor and you yourself.

Till this very second, all we have is nothing insinuations camouflaged as real allegations, but the man's name is already in the mud, the crooked legislators didn't even ask the people making the allegations to produce any proof for them to take to the people of Lagos state and evidence of wrong doing by their governor.

My question to you is, is this how they do things in sane and credible societies?

redsun:
The baba alaye is nothing but a conniving sycophant with the mentality far beyond(in reverse) that of the stone age man who was in his own rights was idealistic and futuristic,hence our presence in the world today.

But someone like babapupa has nothing to contribute to the society but backwardness and miseries,he is always out to defend fashola even when an idiot can see some thing is amiss.

If Fahola is that revolutionary in his dealings,why is he  afraid of transparency and independent auditing of spendings?I use to be his fan up till this moment but just because nigerians are not use to responsible government,any one eyed leader can just put in a little and take out alot without the stack blind even noticing because they can't see in the first place.

Lagos is about the only reformed and updated taxing system in nigeria and for the fact that the people are duly paying their taxes,it's their due right to get answers from the government as regards the spending of their money when needed,it is not about ego or victimization but about saying it and doing it as it should.A government without strict checks and balances is no govenrment,that is why nigerian leaders have been getting away with murders so far.But for how long will the blind remain blind?

To whom much is given,much is expected from and to who gives more,more should be given back to.

Stating what you want the state government to account for like I asked would have sufficed instead of recycling the same weak and irrelevant nonsense.

You don't have to call people names to make your point if you truly believe in your argument, your childish name calling only exposes your shortcomings and lack of any form of ability to engage civilly and function in public like an adult with manners and good home training.

I'm sure your mama didn't teach to be rude in public and call people names, @ least I hope.