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FreeGlobe: its the same thing am saying. The FG has not invested as much in those ports as it has done in Lagos. This adds to the high costs there. The international airport too was FG project. Am saying if FG invests in Calabar for instance as it has done in Lagos, Lagos will become redundant because traders in the east will prefer the calabar port for proximity. All am saying in essence is Lagos = fg

Can you please tell US exactly how the FG develop lagos state?

FreeGlobe: eko. mumu it must really hurt seeing all the propaganda you've built on the thief fashola and Lagos over the years falling flat. Pele o

Looking at the sad and sorry hell hole with no future you came from and won't even talk about or show pride in shows your sadness and pain.


ndo

I still don't know how the federal governemt develop Lagos. They saw a developed place labeled it their federal capital. The only only federal presence with all their stay in Lagos was 2 crumbling bridges that they are too useless to maintain , their pot hole riddled roads that they are also to useless to maintain and the crumbling and sinking national theater..


So, is this what you people mean when you say oil money developed Lagos..? what a load of rubbish...

FreeGlobe: lol... and the foolishness continues. Another junk projection. Am sick of these. 2015 is 2 years from now. tell me one remarkable thing in Ibadan today that should make me believe the junk projections from jobless/faceless organizations.

I see and feel your pain.

romanlaw: I hope my Learned Colleaque is not loosing his intelligence........surprised he made the above declaration and only on tax?

He should have made the declaration with what if not taxes? where do you think the government get the money to operate and build infrastructures from.. from the sky or people paying taxes.?

manny4life: Unlike a mofo like you, I read before replying. I still insist, LAGOS GOVT is a fraud. It's only when it suits them financially that they will invoke the financial clause of the Constitution but when it suits other in the social end of means and obligations, then they will remember we have right to decide what laws works for us. Lagos has flouted SO MANY, COUNTLESS constitutional laws, which in certain cases doesn't give them right to treat it's citizens they way it does, YET, they ignore it. Go tell that to someone who gives a sh.it, perhaps the LUA may well indeed be problematic but doesn't negate the fact the current LAGOS GOVT is a BIG FRAUD.

Ogbeni. What laws or constitution are they violating? Please educate us with your vast knowledge in this area.

aribisala0: What is wrong with this EkoILe f.aggot following me about the place? Guy I am not interested in you so naff off!!

Sometimes we have to educate illiterates like you. It's community service and somebody got to do it and it doesn't matter if you like it or not. Ignorance is a disease and we must cure it.

aribisala0: Even if they charge 100 billion the law allows for that or 100 trillion at what point do we say they have done something wrong?

At zero point, unless they did something beyond stated institutional and legislated laws of the land which they didn't do.

If that's what was assessed under the law, then that's what he must pay just like any other lagosian. He's not above or below the law or the next lagosian.

CohenJane: I had people like you in mind. So that you will easily understand. Ode

lmao...

nwando: Did you say Lagos?
You berra not be pointing fingers at GEJ,4 point back at you
Oya see schools in Lagos
The thread is on this site
Same stinking poo

So, posting some random internet pictures is the best way to defend your incompetent masters. Typical laptop dullard. Smh...

Guk: No matter what, there will always be arguments for and against and either side will stick to their guns no matter what.

In our arguments; theories; postulations, etc, we should also consider the following (1) Budgeting i.e to Provide a forecast of revenues and expenditures. (2)Accounting/Stewardship of monies spent (3) Charging: Recovery of cost. Cost + (profit) or Cost- (loss) or Cost = (Breakeven)

Taking a look at the Special Duties perceived Humongous provision for Chop Chop should be placed alongside (1) How it is funded? from Loans; IGR;or Charging (2) Is the Chop Chop appropraite or needful? & (3) Importantly, do the Agencies under the Special duties earn more than enough to fund their budget?? From perual, there are about 6 of them that are serious income generators for LASG & ultimately for the benefit of all Lagosians. LASG makes a lot of Money from PPP; LAMATA; Number Plate printing as it going to make billions from producing new number plates between now and september by when all cars in nigeria must have changed to new number plates and unless i am corrected, it is only that LASG company that is producing number plates for FRSC.

Objectivity and a holistic approach to discussions will be appreciated

How do you get at anything holistic when the topic itself is not holistic to start with? Even your own post is nothing buy assumptions and insinuations with no facts to save the pointless thread......

I wonder why the laptops are not in this thread, but somewhere losing their minds and obsessed with Lagos state.

I bet even brushing his own teeth is not easy . That God he did not set up commitee to find out why its not easy. What a dullard.

Still doesn't change the fact that you are ignorant and elementary. No point taking shallow head internet clowns and comedians seriously.

lol @ not transparent. What's not transparent about the governors explanation? All the talk about the unknown company and their financial stability is nothing but your own assumptions and made up headaches.

A company that's been in business forever, did business with the US government, foreign governments and municipalities all over the world is a small player? What a comedian....

Na OBJ go get the last laugh. The joke is on Odechukwu .

$15 million sef sounds like a great bargain because new ones like what Lagos state is getting cost up to $1 million each...

What's new? Smh...

At the end of the day, the people of lagos state will get 32 spanking new fire trucks.. better and more than any jurisdiction in Nigeria.

Eko o ni baje Lai Lai...

I think I need to leave this confused character alone and get back to the topic.

aribisala0: don't worry about my yansh o I use water to wash am wen I s,hit abi you wan see come out with your real ID and I will talk to you otherwise keep looking at my yansh.

Again, what's I'D got to do with your ignorance.?

aribisala0: Why not come out with your proper Id you only deceive yourself or perhaps you don't know who you are any more

Now you are obsessed with ID. What's my I'D got to do with your confusion and ignorance? Like I said, you got issues.

aribisala0: I did not even know other nairalanders had sussed you.all i had to do was analyse you primitive syntax which is all too predictable. Guy I dey shame for you
If dem born you well come out with that other ID wey still dey vex like viper inside box
4n,ei,bp

What is the meaning of this elementary gibberish? Dude, you got issues....

aribisala0: You interpret the world within the framework of your knowledge and intelligence.I have no obligation to behave in a way that you like or approve or to explain myself to you. What is apparent to you may appear the opposite to the next guy.I never addressed you so you have no right to be rude. If you are the most intelligent man on earth how do you show it? By killing the everyone else to raise the average IQ?
If I am arguing with myself does your mother pay for my internet access.Did I come to borrow from your father to pay for electricity?
In your concrete thinking i "know nothing abot what I am arguing about and didn't even know the name of the manufacturer" let us take that to be so . So what ? Are you or your father the internet police?

I did not post at you so why post at me. Whatever problem I have what has it got to do with you are you a messiah why did you not move on .
In life you inhabit a world created by your thoughts and actions.We are exchanging words because YOU did not mind your business.
If you did not act there would be no reaction. Next time when you see a crime being committed call the police do not turn superhero.Believe me you and you dozen Ids( COLORTOOTH,EI ETC) that i have already smeared in previous encounters won't be able to cope if I should get angry with you so just jejely leave me with my argument with myself and find your level. I am not confused as you are so simple to decode so it must be your father who is confused. You sit there with you real ID frothing in impotent rage too cowardly to come forth and finally decide that babapupa should take the hit. Your mental level is low but tragically you lack insight and even consider yourself bright. Omo Eran
As far as arguing with oneself what do I call a person who creates several Ids and simulates ABUSIVE arguments among them a "pathetic nebbish"

lol... Get over yourself already. You are on the internet and this discussion is not strictly about you so calm down. You made so many ignorant assertions and you were corrected, be grateful and say thanks for the free education.

You keep talking about abuse, but all the abusive including farther and mother insults came from you. Obviously, you are still confused.

talktimi: if you don't have any relevant argument to post here why not just slide by.

Some of you clowns overstates your worthless importance sometimes especially because other people take you Olodo trolls seriously and endlessly go back n forth debating your idiotic and.senseless arguments. . Who are you again.?

aribisala0: I never play victim trust me. I was just giving you a friendly warning ,pick on someone else . I chose to warn you immediately at the first volley, your tone was rude and not "A NORMAL ....discussion" so I suggest you find someone else to play with so I don't bring your father and mother into it.I have zero tolerance for rudeness,that is all.
When you talk to your mother tell her she fails to comprehend simple words do not address me so.I expect after this another day you will remember my name.
A little reading would have sufficed instead of having people point out things to me? How is that your father's problem or business does he own the site or is he internet police?? I fail to see what connects me with you to warrant your first rant at me.You are lucky I even warned you today.Normally I give a lot worse to animals like you.

You can type all the rubbish you want, but I repeat , you are confused and you are still arguing with yourself and you are still not making any sense. Saying you are arguing with yourself and confused was not a rant, but an observation based on the fact that you know nothing about what you are arguing about, you didn't even know the name of the manufacturer and still couldn't figure it out after a detailed history of the company was posted to educate you.

The governor said the state did not borrow and there is no evidence to show that they borrow and if you have anything to prove the governor wrong, then go ahead.... ..but I'm 110 sure you have nothing so you are basically arguing with yourself.

All this tantrums and defensive run around is unnecessary, just listen and learn.

aribisala0: You have directed too many remarks at me and so I ask what I normally ask in this situation if your father has a different perspective from you will you say he is arguing for the sake of it ?? Or tell him to stop confusing himself.? Then why address me,a stranger,like that and expect me to be civil to you?

You are free to disagree with my opinions but not free to express offensive opinions about me. My reaction is ALWAYS unequal and disproportionate

Generally I debate with people who are civil and courteous if you cannot do that just avoid me because we will end up derailing the thread.

1. You are not my father and I was not talking to my father.

2. You are talking about civility, but please tell what's so civil about inserting parents into a normal internet discussion? Look in the mirror first before pointing fingers.

3. Yes you are arguing with yourself because you failed to read and comprehend simple words staring at you.

4. A little reading and Comprehension would have sufficed instead of having people here to point out things to you and instead of saying thanks, you are throwing tantrums, getting defensive and playing victim.

aribisala0: That is not true.I am not here to hold brief for Lagos state.If the explanation by Fashola is correct they are not borrowing.If Fashola is lying which he may well be then they are. I think you are misunderstanding the explanation or perhaps have information that he is lying which you can share. I have already criticized the arrangement but that does not mean we must lose objectivity.The arrangement between Exim and this UNNAMED manufacturer is a bilateral one not a triangular one. I do not know the details of this deal except what I have read on this thread. Lagos state is not borrowing $15 million to fund this deal. Now lagos has a deficit budget this year and will borrow billions of naira and raise billions too. Can we say the borrowed was spent on this and the generated was spent on that .That will be impossible. So it will just be as accurate to say Lagos borrowed money to buy diesel, petrol or Lastma uniforms. The only time we can say that is when borrowing is linked to a specific spend.If that is the case here please tell us who it is that is lending Lagos the 15 million
My reading of this deal is the manufacturer is a minor unknown player or one with cashflow problems and Lagos have declined to pay them directly which seems quite diligent to me.The EXIM bank have agreed to advance the Manufacturer the money because they believe that Lagos can and will pay (they will have or should have a contract) and their motivation is to create jobs in their country.
This is why I question why not buy from an established player like Volvo or Mercedes?? my guess is since EXIM is involved there is some politics at play as EXIM is basically US government money.

Sounds like you are just bent on arguing and looking for anything to argue against.

1. The company is not unknown, the name us in the original article, its WS Darley based in Illinois, USA and they've been around since 1920. Go to their website and see what they do.

2. A lot goes into buying major items like fire engines. Maybe apart from selling good products, this company offers the best cost saving before and after sales support program like training, repairs, parts supplies and so on. Obviously, they sat.in a room and settled to buy from this company with not only almost 100 years of experience and reputation in the business, but also because of the other factors I listed.

3. Fire trucks are not like cars that you make a million of and place them in show room. They cost too much to make and the market is not like car market. Making hundreds or thousands of fire and stick.them in a parking lot.while waiting for municipalities who are the only buyers to show up and buy, its called tying money and resources down, it makes no good business sense and no company does that. With this kind of items, you have to place your other and put money down as intent to buy.

4. The governor said they did not borrow money money. Period.

5. If after the basic and easy to understand explanation by the governor your are still confused, then its either you are arguing just for the heck of it or understanding basic stuff is a challenge as far as you are concerned.

I don't even see what's fishy here because this is pretty much straight forward. Stop confusing and whipping yourself up for no reason.

ba7man: I watched this interview on TV and was impressed with his points. I wonder how GEJ would have answered those questions if he were in Fashola's shoes.

Jonathan go just brush aside the issue and set up committee to look into unto the matter and other cimmitees so verify and implement reports and another commitee to put the whole thing inside trash.

thelastPope: Look, we can go on forever with this argument because you will never admit and I dont expect you to. What is important to me is your suggestion that the state doesnt spend monies on entertainment of government guests and events or that those expenditure is made from the governor's pocket. Some government events are spnsored even at the FG level. But not all government events are sponsored and the government does not take care of their day to day guests through sponsorship. Leave that argument alone.

But since you've convinced yourself that there is a budget somewhere and the state spends money on entertainment, the burden is then on you to produce what you are asking us for since you obviously know so much and have all the info.

We should be asking you what you are asking us.


How re.tarded can you laptops be...

thelastPope: Why are you guys this ignorant? Food budget is not for eating in cabinet meetings. The FG does not serve food in cabinet meetings. Every tier of government entertain various kinds of guests daily from local to international guests. Lagos state invites and liaises with professional, civil society, international organisations, etc on daily basis just like the FG and other state governments. This is not rocket science and the governor does not pay from his pocket. It is not a personal thing. To say he pays from his pocket is a ridiculous thing to say. The @op has asked a question. If you do not have the answer, you waka pass. it is not by force to answer. But to suggest that a tier of government does not have a fund for taking care of feeding and entertainment for guests and events is ridiculous. The LASG government has hosted musical artists for example, on many occasions and paid them millions and put them in hotels and fed them Same for civil society groups, foreign visitors and much more. The government spent millions on refreshments during the launching of the blue rail project last week. Governments do these and much more on daily bases and they are all budgeted for. Nothing is spent in government outside the budget. It is unconstitutional to spend monies outside the budget. I shouldnt be telling you that!

You and the op are just too ret.arded and confused for your own good. Your co dumb and dumber laptop crew member came up with the food at cabinet meetings nonsense so call your laptop friend ignorant you silly clown.

You losers came up with your dumb food budget rubbish, but you can not even prove that rubbish exist within the state budget to start with. The fact that you id.iots are capable of formulating your insane nonsense doesn't mean we are obligated to entertain your ignotance and stupidity.

thelastPope: Very ignorant analogy. The analogy suggests that:

Government do not entertain guests at various functions, meetings and programs.

Government do not have a budget for such matters.

Every expenditure in government is budgeted for. Some of you shoucld get a copy of the Nigerian constitution and read. The laws of the land are not subject to your sentimental positions. There is a budget for feeding and refreshment. How it is presented or whether it is lumped together with other items is another matter for discussion but to suggest such budgets do not exist is funny

Its very obvious that you know everything including Nigeria's constitution including the fact that lagos state have a food budget and also that they eat at their cabinet meetings even though you can not prove that there is a food budget, you can not prove that they eat during their cabinet meetings talk less if they eat eba and okra or not. The fact is, we don't know anything about food budget in lagos state so since you know so much and very convinced that their is one, why not let this be your own project and assignment to do your own research and find out, them brief us with your valuable and troubling discoveries.? Are you too lazy to do this.?