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Aloy+Emeka:
You may need to go check the definition of literacy/illiteracy and ignorance. You obviously do not know the difference.

From your explanation, if you lack the basic knowledge about rocket science, it qualifies you as an illiterate. What type of graduates are they churving out from Nigerian universities nowadays?. Did you study Yoruba Engineering at Ago iwoye university of tribal sciences? 

What's tribal science got to do with this discussion? Why don't you be a man (if you really are) and spout your usual tribal rant and quit masquerading like you have something serious to discuss?


Lack of knowledge in any area including ability to read and write is illiteracy. I know you're clueless, but don't you have a freeking dictionary?

Aloy+Emeka:
Sounding like an illiterate is not the same as being one, is it?


Oni is not C in C abi, try flying your helicopter above Ekiti and see wetin go happen to your azz na.

Dude, you're beginning to sound like an illiterate yourself. Education reading and writing are not the only qualifiers for illiteracy. Basic lack of knowledge about anything in particular = Illiterate.

Must you always act as if you never go school sef, ?

Aloy+Emeka:
You have your feet in your mouth now. Tell us how Oni is an illiterate nau. I don't blame you, this free internet is making every Tom, Monkey and Ewure come and say rubbish about people.

I know you didn't miss my post, it's right up there above yours. Or is just 't you don't know how to read and comprehend.

Aloy+Emeka:
Of course he will be an illiterate now because he is not Fashola. Kindly read through his resume and tell me how a trained chemical Engineer is an illiterate?.

I really can't be bothered with your pointless and relevant talk. Do you honestly thing I won't scribe the same statement if it was Fashola in the article talking about shooting down a campaign plane? Dude, check your head and stay focus abeg.

ElRazur:
Jesus. The ONi of Ife used to be a respected and powerful man in the history of Yoruba. WTF happened? Why is he involved in all these bickering over where a plane flies and who is inside. Jesus wept.

You're talking about the wrong Oni. This is Oni the Governor, not Oba Oni of Ife.

This Oni man is not only an illiterate he's a cave man.

igbo boy:
Na wa o, if only lagos was a country, babapupa stop crying like lagos is your country, I dont think any well meaning nigerian wishes bad for Lagos.
EKO NI BAJE O 

You're free to call Lagos you country or whatever makes you snore properly at night.

Lagos state is my state and good o bad, I'm proud of my state, I love my state and everything it stands for. Till that becomes a crime, the joke is on you and the rest of the homeless and proud less disgruntled elements.

I do sympathize with you and I understand the frustration for the fact that you have nothing to be proud of, nothing to inspire you and no local role model to look up to.

And it makes no difference to me what you wish for Lagos, the facts on the ground tells the truth and so far, Lagos state is doing just fine.

Ndo,

Justice Olubunmi Oyewole. Hardest Woking Justice And A Great Lagosian.

http://happylagosian..com/2010/02/justice-olubunmi-oyewole-hardest-woking.html

Emeka Njoku penned the piece.

Obviously, Bluetooth didn't say anything about writing the article so what's the big deal?

Don't we all post articles from other websites all day/every freeking time?

Dude is smart for flying that thing and campaigning in Lagos.

He get's the attention of the largest number of Ekiti diasporas outside Ekiti itself, he gets national visibility and attention and magnifies his image and profile at home in Ekiti.

He obviously got your attention on NL too,

riversman:
@babapupa - can u please learn how to type, bloordy Yoruba illiterate, lol

Not today, try your luck next time.

I don't believe any of these clowns, not even Jonathan himself. They are all crooks and liars.

Didn't Jonathan lied to Nigerians that he conversed with Yaradua over the phone?

forpeace:
What you fail to remember babapupa is that fash doesn't have half of the occult like following tinubu had as Governor. .let's see what his fortunes in terms of popularity and acceptance becomes when he's left officem .all those displaced traders and residents, anyway,BRF is excellency now but even julius ceaser had to leave office one day.

What's next, all the local and foreign awards Fashola is getting should have been given to Tinubu right? You think they don't know how dirty and filthy Lagos was before Fashola took over?

Tinubu rode up and down chaotic and dirty streets of Lagos state for 8 long years and refused to lift a finger, area boys took over every nook and corners of open spaces in Lagos and the same Tinubu didn't lift a finger. Thanks to Fashola, the spaces are now beautiful parks and playgrounds.


You can spend the rest of your days thinking your Asiwaju is Lagos state Governor for life, unfortunately, Lagosians sabi better, they know who's looking out for them, they know who delivered them from chaos, filth and anarchy.


Lagos was a failed state under Tinubu, that's the sad reality, deal with it.

Now I see what's going on. I think some people just don't want to hear anything about Fashola and they think their Asiwaju is still the Governor of Lagos state.

Your Asiwaju was the Governor for 8 long years While Lagos was like a freeking cest pool, flowing toward anarchy and chaos before Fashola stepped in and turned things around in less than 3 years.

Why is it hurting you guy so much that Fashola is being recognized for what he's doing? If there was any meaningful development during Tinubu's era, I'm sure Lagosians will give him is dues and hail him equally. Besides, it really doesn't matter and as a lagosian, the  most important thing is the fact that Lagos is in good hands and heading in the right direction. We should all be happy. Fashola campaigned to deliver certain things to Lagosians and he's keeoing his promise by delivering accordingly.

Unfortunately, we still have the same ol' petty distractions and grumbling over what really doesn't matter, Fashola is the Governor of Lagos state and Lagosians are not silly for hailing him, they lived trough Tinubu's administration and they know the difference, they know who's looking out for them, they know who's making them feel proud about their state. There's no contest here.


You guys need to give it up, you Asiwaju is not the Governor of Lagos state, Fashola is. Deal with it.

four American doctors are due in Nigeria this weekend to attend to the ailing President?

Shey den don clear this with turai?

igbo boy:
babapupa you are right FG did not lay produce BRT, but dont argue blindly,

Years of being the federal capital has given Lagos the advantage other states dont have, E.g the most used international airport, established industry/commerce due to the attraction it had as a Federal capital, more people and businesses equals more tax money from doing business alone,


ALso more population means a larger slice in the federal allocated naira,


SO basically Lagos had the foundation for sucess there, And its true that even with the foundation it takes a hardworking man to turn lagos around and fashola did, But to credit solely fashola without looking at other factors is wrong,

It's ridiculous reading about Lagos being the federal capital hence gaining some advantage.

How come same warped thinking didn't apply to Lagos state before Fashola got there?

How come same warped thinking didn't apply to Lagos state 3 years ago when Lagos was dirty and filthy?

Did the fact that Lagos was the federal capital helped Lagos or prevent it dancing at the edge of abyss? Was the population any different?

Did the federal government maintained or give Lagos state 1 kobo to maintain everything they left behind? Nealy everything they left is crap.

Who is building the new 10 lane Lagos Badagry express  after years of federal neglect?

Who is reconstructing the federal airport road? The Lagos state government of course.

And your established industry/commerce due to the attraction it had as a Federal capital claim is bogus, lagos became an industrial power house way before it got decreed in the 60's as the federal capital and the federal government did not establish the industrial estates in Lagos, they were established by The Old Western Region Government under Awolowo.

Besides the crappy airport and sea port, what Fashola has done in less than 3 years doubled what ever obsolete infrastructures the federal government left behind. What ever they left is a burden, not an advantage.

And about allocations, Lagos is getting peanuts from the federal government, states with smaller population collects more money,  there's a state with just 5 million people collecting quadruple what Lagos is collecting. Some states have bigger budget than lagos Lagos sef. My friend, get your facts rights.

And where were you when the state got starved of funds for 8 long years while other states didn't miss a penny?

It's not about what you have, it's about good leadership and what you do with the little you have.

Funny how people didn't say ish When Lagos was down and out, now that the state in coming back to life it's because of some federal capital.

It's like saying and doing anything to avoid sending credit where it's due.

hardywaltz:
@ Babapupa, i don't think you have been to Rivers State but lets leave that for another day  I have been to Lagos three times this year alone and thoug i commend Fashola for his effort, but i still maintain that he should reply his critics in the open to end wild speculations and unfounded/misguiding rumors(i know thats what Ameachi would have done).
Ps: Lagos state IGR+Fed Allocation  is far more than Rivers State IGR+Fed. Allocation+ 13% derivation.

Going back and forth about where both states get their money from is very much redundant.

The fact remains that Rivers state has a bigger budget than Lagos state.

The fact remains that Lagos state with higher population and demand is excelling than Rivers state with a bigger budget and lower population and smaller demand.

That is the reality.

I have not been to rivers state, but whatever the rivers government is doing in terms of development is on the state's website, we see and know what's in Rivers state and when people inside and outside Nigeria talk about transformation, good governance and leadership in Nigeria, they are talking about Lagos state and Fashola in general.

When they give out awards including man of the year, trust me, they're talking about Fashola.

When other states and neighboring countries send people to Nigeria to learn about governance and ways of doing things, they don't send them to Rivers or any other state, they send them to Lagos state.

You personally don't have to accept this reality, it's simply what it is and you just have to deal with it.


Lastly and again, Fashola is not obligated to dance to every unfounded and baseless insinuations. Lagosians didn't put him in office to do that, if they have anything against him, let them take it to the court of law or the legislature. It's called democracy and due process.

Speculations and allegations ends in the court of law, not on the sidewalk. What if he showed up tomorrow and proclaimed that he did not do anything wrong, but he actually did, would you be satisfied and say he didn't do anything wrong because he denied it in public and end of story?


You see how bogus, silly and backward your argument sound?

Unlike you, I want them to go ahead with the investigation, I want the people making the allegations to take their case to the grand jury, courts or before the state legislature with credible documented proof of wrong doing.

Unfortunately, people like you have not seen any poof of wrong doing by the governor, but you want his head shopped off because of den say den say. You want to act as if you're not in a banana republic, but you're demanding banana republic justice.

Fashola is a lawyer and a professional, not a sidewalk pepersoup honorable who don't know his rights.

forpeace:
RT @ Babapupa:of all u mentioned that BRf has exclusivity over,it is only the metro rail that is fa0tual. .and it hasn't come to pass yet, BRT is asiwaju's legacy. .shey na brf build lasuth and all the other hospitals?abi na Brf build eko bridge?pls be factual while justifying your paycheck

Obviously, you have other issues with Fashola. That, I can not help you resolve.

Good luck.

forpeace:
Mischief cannot get us anywhere.Lagos didn't get to where it is today in two years alone.Apart from being the capital for decades and benefitting from infrastructural dev past govs like jakande,mobo johnson,marwa and asiwaju did a lot, wetin fashola dey do na to put salt for food wey don dey done. .babapupa my brother,I don't have d facts and figures but I'm sure lagos generates far more in monthly revenue than rivers. .if you indeed have d figures paste them here and prove me wrong

Why don't you just go ahead and tell us where rivers gets it's money from, having a bigger budget means they are getting something from somewhere, I'm sure they are not printing their own money.

And I'm still waiting for you to deny the fact that with the smaller budget, Lagos is still doing way way better than Rivers.

Most of what Fashola is doing now has nothing to do with Lagos being the federal capital of Nigeria.

The federal government and past Lagos state governors did not introduce the BRT, they did not build the new hospitals, martanal centers, water, works, roads and bridges, over head bridges, traffic lights, metro rail, highways and express ways, all and many more in less than 3 years.


Hate and meanness is obviously blinding you to the the facts on the ground. Lagosiasn are not only seeing and happy with what he has done, he's even getting awards for it at home and abroad.

I'm not asking you to say hail Fashola or stop hating, you just can not color over what he has done so far, it's just too visible and glaring.

forpeace:
Babapupa is mischevious to say the least and it is quite obvious that his target audience on this fora are ignorant people. .If rivers state draws up a bigger and more ambitous budget than fashola does that not show incompetence on fashola's part?He definitely has access to funds so why doesn't he draw up a bigger and more ambitous budget than amaechi's?

Babapupa,pls speak if u may.

Don't you first have to ask yourself and find out where Rivers gets it's extra tons on money from? Even a day old baby sabi where from.


The question is, with so much money and smaller responsibility, why is Rivers state not excelling more than Lagos state with bigger demand, responsibilities and smaller budget. With that kind of money and lower number of people to take care of, Rivers state should be looking like Dubai.


What is going on in Lagos state is called prudent and effective management of available fund. It's not about how much you have, it's what you do with the little you have.

Nice narration. I still don't think Yaradua returned to Nigeria sha.

We don't need a low profile leader in times of crisis, we need an assertive and take charge leader to lead and reassure the citizenry that things are ok at the top.

A low profile leader creates an atmosphere of vacuum and uncertainty and ultimately prolong the crisis.


We need a visible and take charge leader, not a low profile leader. What is he low profiling for? Jonathan looks like a cool guy but let him step aside if he's not ready for prime time.

hardywaltz:
@ Ziga, thanks Old Man, but i don't remember castigating Fashola in my post, as eairlier stated most problems bedeviling Lagos precede Fashola's Governnent, all i'm saying as a political office holder he shouldn't be afraid of criticism and should be subject to accountability checks which they (Politicians) always preach.

But who in this thread asserted the opposite of your post?

Did Fashola say anything to you about not wanting to be criticized?

Did Fashola say anything to you about dodging accountability?

Did Babapupa and others you mentioned advocated anything contrary to what you posted or say anything about not criticizing Fashola and he shouldn't be accountable?


Read and follow the argument before jumping in to conclusions.


Rivers state's budget is bigger than Lagos state's

Rivers population is just a little over 5 million

Lagos state's population is 18 million and counting

Lagos state has bigger societal demands and bigger responsibilities

Even with smaller budget, ongoing projects and developments in Lagos state quadruples what ever they have going on in Rivers state with their bigger budget and 5 million population.

Lagosians are obviously getting a bigger bang for their tax payers dollars than what they're getting in Rivers state with their bigger budget.


Your comparison is more than a little screwed,

hardywaltz:
Most posts on this tread show how shallow most of people are. @Tpia, babapupa and co, u guyz are just plain dumb. Asking for accountability is within anyone right. and just because u feel Fashola is a performing Governor doesn't make him unaccountable/above the law. Because no one asked his predecessor for accountability doesn't mean it cant start one day.
In Rivers State, i (most people) have Gov. Ameachi's statement of account for each year ending (25th October) which shows what the state generated (fed. allocation/IGR/13% deriavation) and how each ministry spent their allocation (names of every contractor/amount contract was awarded). Though i personally questioned the rationale behind some unnecessary expenses (like using 8 billion naira for carnival) but the only reason i could do that was because i had the statement of account. Ameachi is currently on tour of all the LGAs in Rivers state and each LG Chairman  has done the same (furnishing everyone with a statement  of accout.) it is within every citizen right to know how thier fund are been spent. If it were Ameachi who is been accused, he would have faced his accusers in the open and would have come out on top at the end of the day.
Most of the problem bedeviling Lagos predates Fashola and therefore cannot really be said to be his making coupled with an uncooperative FG.
Most of you shouting “Eko o ni baje“ i have met your types, my roommate in the university who came back to do Bsc (cos he had H.ND) back then said he spent his first 30+ years in Lagos, d only tyme he managed to leave Lagos was for NYSC, only then was he been able to truly appreciate life and stopped believing that Lagos was all and all. Thoug a Lagos indigen has refused to go back (since 99) and remained in Rivers State ever since.
While serving most corpers from Lagos state admitted that it was thier first time of leaving Lagos/environs. The reason i am commenting on this tread (thoug i had seen it eairlier) is coz i met a friend that we all served in Rivers state who has been here ever since working with First Bank, also a Lagos indigen said he had on two occasion rejected transfer to Lagos refering to its dirtyness and always in arush attitude. i suggests most of y'all travel arround a little bit and get to compare and contrast.
I have personally rejected any thing/work that will keep me in Lagos for more than a week.

Unfortunately for you, lack of ability to read and comprehend betrayed you and your silly rant.

kyuubi:
Most of our past corrupt leader have not been charged, talk less of  being found guilty, and that makes them saints?
What I said is not my version of history, as there are documented evidence of corruption starting from the 1975 ITT contract that led to the suspension of Akindele, and the fact that prior to June 12, Abiola and IBB were very close pals.
Are you kidding me? So a school boy inviting a governor to his school is your evidence that writing letters will get legislators to act in the best interest of the people 
When you have relevant evidence of the legislator responding positively and effectively to a written letter, we can revist the issue.

BTW there was the recent news of a guy who got flogged by a governor for writing a petition against his office   

Just stating that Abiola spent a day in jail for corruption would have sufficed instead of your tabloid stories, 


Btw, is the little boy not a lagosian and a citizen of Nigeria or reaching the governor for what was dare to his heart  rubbish and inconsequential to you?

The apathy in you is obviously a sad and  shameful perpetual state of mind.

We are getting played and we're going along like willing participants.


Only in Nigeria,

kyuubi:
Abiola was a crook who cried foul only after his criminal bed fellow betrayed him. Its an insult to MLK to compare abiola to him.
and how have you reached that conclusion?
you dont know what I have done, are doing or will do, and yet you jump to the conclusion that I am fustrated
I have nothing against trying to make changes, but i will scoff at anyone that suggests that writing letters to a legislator is the way to move Nigeria forward. I will desist when someone provides evidence that such an approach is effective in Nigeria.
Be it Ghana, Peru or South Korea, it doesnt matter. The guy made a categorical statement about how to do things in Nigeria, using evidence from outside Nigeria. Imported does not mean made in USA, but simply means not made in Naija!

Your take on Abiola is obviously your own version of History. The man did not spend a minute in any court or jail for whatever you scribed. The fact still remains that he died for what he believed in.  You're free to season and roast it our own way, history states otherwise.

I don't get get you, you mean writing letters to elected officials is foreign to Nigeria? Are you for real or you're just joking? Do you know how many letters and emails the governor of lagos state have responded to, including this by a little boy just last week?

http://happylagosian..com/2010/02/schoolboy-gets-governor-fasholas.html

It's Ok if you don't, but you don't have to paint the rest of Nigeria with the same brush.

kyuubi:
Stop all this sentimental rhetoric. Its irritating my eyes. This is not the United states, and Abiola is definitely not MLK!

Hanoobaba did not ask, nor make a suggestion, as to how best to influence the legislature, but  rather made a categorical statement on how to do so. Such a statement presumed that the cited method was confirmed to be effective. Unfortunately, in this case, there is no evidence of writing letters working in naija, which means hanoobaba position was based on evidence from outside Nigeria i.e. imported delusion. This is just simple logic. If you wanted a different response from what I gave, he should have made a different statement.

Now, you are entitled to your opinion and can claim this is another anti civic duty  narration, but I would rather you refrain from making comments about my mindset, as I dont see what warrants such.

Call it sentimental rhetoric or whatever narrative that makes you snore well at night, the fact remains that Abiola was not MLK but he died for what he believed in, MLK did same.

You on the other hand have not done anything but you're frustrated already. Even mocking other people for lifting a finger.

The guy did not make any reference to the United states and Nigeria and United states are not the only countries practicing democracy, Ghana next door is practicing democracy too. You inserted the united states, he didn't. He was talking about Nigeria and you stepped in to mock him.

kyuubi:
So how many letters have you written yourself? and how many responses have you gotten?
It is an imported delusion when you assume that the right way to exact a desired response from a Nigerian legislator, is by 'writing a letter to him'.  
In case you have forgotten, this not the USA nor is it the UK. This is Naija!
Its people like you, and Hanoobaba, that equate elections to democracy, when in truth they are more or less uncorrelated in Nigeria      
I beg carry your idealistic views go forward jare  

Just stating that it was the wrong thing to do would have sufficed instead of your anti civic duty narration.

I'm really happy not all of us are disillusioned and apathetic. US didn't get to where it is today because the people of United  States were disillusioned and gave up the way you are almost 300 years ago.

Nothing comes easy, you have to fight for it. Martin Luther king didn't give up after getting beaten and locked up, Abiola died in jail because of his belief and sense of right and wrong and justice.

Nigeria is sure doomed with weak and unstable mindsets of people like you.

Fhemmmy:

The last time i checked, that was your own personal statement and not mine.
BTW . . . .how come u have some personal interest on this Fashola issue, why not unveil and show your face.

Yours of course, not mine. Be honest with yourself.

Firstly, I believe in justice and fairness. I'll defend my enemy in the same fashion, Fashola or not, it makes no difference to me.

Secondly, I'm a proud Lagosian and it's part of my civic obligation as a lagosian to show interest and be proud of my state and what it stand for. That is not a crime, it's called good citizenry.

It's not my fault that a lot of people have no pride in their state and have nothing to say about their respective states.

You just mocked the guy and  insinuated here that things don't work in Nigeria because he basically noted about doing the right thing. You even ridiculed and called him a lost Nigerian

Fhemmmy:
You make me do a makossa laugh.
We are talking of Nigeria and not US of A.
I am sure you dont reside in Nigeria, maybe you are not even a Nigerian . . . . .u be lost Nigerian

Fhemmmy:
You are always quick in jumping into conclusion  . . . . . . . Knock yourself out.
Even a dummy knows that nothing is working in Nigeria . . . . .Thus why i held Fashola high, till i started hearing things, though, he is innocent, till i am sure na true.
Now what else?

Why worry about Fashola, @ least, all he's doing is planting flowers and not doing much with tax payers money according to you.

Talk about jumping into conclusions,