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Posted by syrup
Then perhaps you have poor sight; or you have quickly jumped to conclusion without carefully going through the threads; or you just want to assume another name for babs787 (if you're not the same person praising himself! ). In anycase, be assured that babs787's arguments have been laid to rest.

Shahan in disguise. You just open up your stinking and address people the way you feel.

The brother has never said anything bad let alone calling you names yet you resorted to saying stupid things against him.

Why are some christians ladies here uncultured? They open their stinking mouth and talk anyhow. Mind you, If can not give respect to your husband at home, that doesnt mean you shouldnt giive to those outside.

I thought you have been following this thread but alas your stupidity blinded you to the extent of not seeing that the argument has been between Backslider and myself.

My dear brother backslider levelled allegations against me and I cleared it for him yet u open your stupid mouth and started posting contrary rejoinder that my argument has been laid to rest. My argument or backslider's?

Like i have been saying, respect is reciprocal. If you resort to being stupid, babs wont hesitate to accord you the same measure.

You think you can just open your mouth and address people anyhow here. The same way your derailed brother Havila did. I owe nobody any apology.

If you stoop low, I will likewise do and if you play funny, babs will likewise do.

Posted by syrup
It is "only said" but not proven. We have asked once and again that those making reference to the "original Bible" should tell us what it says in exactly the words used in it. So far, no Muslim has come up with any answers.

If not that you are blind, how many times have I posted verses missing in some versions but present in others.

Posted by syrup
Muslims are confused about which facts are "still intact" in the Bible. Most of them are ready to deny every verse in the Bible if it suits their arguments; but no one Muslim has come forward to authenticate the denials Muhammad made against Biblical truths.

Honestly, you are really blindfolded. How many times have I quoted verses for you here, yet you come and acts being blind.

@mrmayor,

two things can be deduce here.

1. the bag got to  Lagos.

2. The bag got to Lagos by babs

3. The bag arrived Lagos by mrmayor

How do you view the above

Now to the issue of crucifixion

1. No clinical instrument was used to certify him dead.

2. When the soldiers got to him to break his legs having broken the legs of the two thieves, they found him dead already (note, vinegar that is known for its stimulating effect was given to him).

3. Pilate doubted him and told the soldier to thrust his side, forthwith came blood and water from the side of the dead!!

God works in a miraculous way, the same God that made him looked dead to them, made the same soldier thrust his side too.  

Its been noted that when the human body cannot withstand further pain or agony, unconsciousness supervenes.

We have had cases of patients being 'certified dead' by doctors and some have been coming back to life.

Nicodemus and Joseph collected his body and did the "anointing' for him and laid him in the sepulchre.

The Jews were suspicious:

a. The tomb within easy reach

b. Helping hands of his 'secret disciples'

c. His 'crossmates' still alive despite the vinegar

d. His legs not broken, whereas those of his 'crossmates' were

e. Quick and easy permission granted by Pilate to obtain the body of Jesus.

For these and many more reasons, the jews were suspicious. They felt cheated, jesus was ALIVE!.So they ran to Pilate, but it was too late. They were 24 hours late

Mathew 27v 62-64: now the next day, th chief priests and pharisees came together unto Pilate, saying, 'sir, we remember that the deceiver said, command, therefore, that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day , lest, the LAST error shall be worse than the FIRST.

The jews are talking about 'first' and 'last', not realising that in all their nervous haste, they had made another slip. They had gone to Pilate only the NEXT day. They wanted to close the stable door . Pilate was not interested and he says

Mathew 27 v 65: , ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can.

The first error the jews made was that, they had permitted Jesus to be brought down from the cross without breaking his legs under the false assumption that he had died.

The Last error would be to allow the 'secret disciples' of jesus rnder help to the wounded man, by not sealing off the tomb. But in the meantime, they made another mistake by approaching Pilate the NEXT day which was TOO late.

It was Sunday Morning, the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene visited the tomb to 'anoint' or 'massage' jesus.

It has been established that Jews do not massage corpse after three days, Meaning that she came for live Jesus. It means that  Jesus was alive!

But if you (syrup and babyosis) still claim that he died, supply me answers to the questions below:

1. Do jews anoint corpses after three days?
2. Do they go to Sabbath to anoint the dead after it has been buried?
3. When did the practice stop if they have been?
4. Do Jews re-anoint already buried corpse?
5. Why did Mary want to re-anoint already buried decomposing body?

When the answers are supplied, I move on the next stage which is the issue of 'gardener"


Thank you

@mrmayor,

Read the verses very well and please dont tell me that there is no contradiction there.

A verse saying that he carried it by himself and another saying somebody else helped him. Do you take the two as same?

For example, Did mayor carrying the load by himself and someone else carrying the load for mayor the same?

Anyway, thats not the issue and thats not where I am going. The issue still is on crucifixion. I have asked them questions, let them answer me, probably supply the answer from your link.

@babyosis,

You of all people telling me that you have replied me. I will come to the issue of 3rd day later.

Posted by: syrup  

Posted by: syrup  
Mr babs787, do you have a problem in your digestive system that you have to degorge the same issues already addressed? Even if you pretend not to have seen mrmayor's rejoinder, have you done more than pedantically blinding yourself to clear statements?

Never mind. Its a free world. You are free to use any obnoxious language. I have been to the site, there is nothing there, you may go there too and probably supply me your answer from there.

Provide me the answer and better still you may lift from your site to reply me as listed above

Posted by Syrup
The eyewitnesses are the same ones you have been artfully denying.
The OT prophesies are the same ones you have refused to examine and already offered you severally on the Forum.

You claimed the eye witnesses were there huh. Read the below verse
Mark 14v50: and they all forsook him and fled.

Secondly, give me the verse now on his crucifixion from the OT.

Posted by syrup
1. Unless you want to have a reputation as one who confirms that lying (taqiyya) is a doctrine of Islam, you would just have to concede that Isaiah was never mentioned in the Qur'an - not even the verses you referenced here.

Did you read the verse I supply? I told you that some prophets were not mentioned.

Posted by syrup
2. If you have to use any text in Isaiah to authenticate Islam, then you would have to admit that the same Isaiah called the Messiah "the Mighty God" (Isa. 9:6). There is no half-way deal of jumping verses for selective confirmation of Islam; and if Muhammad deliberately avoided making any reference to Isaiah in the Qur'an, your arguments are mute.

My dear,Isaiah 9v6 is not for Jesus and cannot be for him. In what way did the verse make reference to Jesus?


Posted by syrup
3. Noticing that you cleverly dodged the question, it stands to reason that you're such a sly tittle-tattler.

Ignoramus, I never doged anything. I asked you a very simple question, you went other way. Give me a verse in which Jesus used the word "christian" for you.  
You are always eager to quote it for me from Paul because he started it when he introduced the religion to Pagans.


Posted by syrup
Where did Muhammad get his version of the birth and miracles of Jesus - while leaving out His death by Crucifixion, His resurrection, His fulfillment of OT prophesies, His divine teachings, His glorifying the Father on earth, and the fact that He called Himself the Son of God, and testified that His salvation was to the ends of the world??

Soon, you will eat your words, by the time I expose the fraud in crucifixion saga.

Posted by syrup
Nevermind your illiteracy, your cheap dribble hasn't scored any points. Please answer the question; and perhaps you will see why Muhammad could not have been sent by the living God.

I thought that you are wise enough but never knew you are such an empty barrel.

The word 'messiah' means 'the annointed' in Hebrew.

Go to page 30 of the Bible Concordance, in the chapter 'bible dictionary', the term 'messiah' was explained under the title 'Christ'. it write 'a title derived from a Greek word meaning the 'anointed one which in Hebrew is messaiah'.

The Hebrew word 'messiah' is translated as christos (in Greek Language) which means "anointed one" too.

The word is not a name but a title. Its a translation of the Hebrew word 'messiah' meaning 'anointed'.The Greek word for 'anointed' is Christos from which we get the word Christ.


Posted by syrup
Mr babs787, where is the verse where you find Jesus categorically stating that "He is not God"?

I asked a question and you dodged it. If it were babs, you would have been saying a lot things that he is avoiding your question

Quote from: babs787 on February 23, 2007, 04:59 PM
Posted by syrup
If you are so convinced that the "commandments" are able to save, which one of the Mosaic Commandments do you keep in order to be "saved"? Do Muslims keep the "commandments" of a Testament they accuse of having been corrupt?

Is bible not different from Torah?

Posted by syrup
Where did I state that "christians are also jews"?? It is obvious now that you're a local noise-maker who is a complete stranger to truth and a cheap one at that!

You are entitled to your opinion. You owns your mouth, you may use it to eat shit, thats your problem. Do muslims accuse christians of killing Jesus?

@syrup

I suppose that being a Muslim is the laziest thing to happen to anyone - thus explains your lazy input. Besides, when I schooled in Nigeria, I saw how true that was in the North where a lot of Muslims lived.

And outside of Nigeria, they happen to be generally lazy as most of them with large family sizes would sign up for social benefits rather than seek employment. The short time I spent in Sweden last year impressed this plainly to any visitor to that country.

We are discussing religion and not social benefits or whatever.
Understood?

@pataki

Posted by mrpataki
Oh blaba-tunde,
Even your posts begs for a good point to hang on to. Yet you don't seem to understand a jack at all!
I asked you a point, yet you run run away from it.
I asked you do you indulge in sexual intercourse that necessitates for your ablution?

You already know the above. Hit the nail on the head and let me know where you are going.

Lets read the below conversations

After the normal singing, dancing, praying etc.

Speaker: "Pastor, there is man here, he has been blind from birth for 25 years but Jesus healed him today, he can see".

Pastor: "touch me", "touch me"

Every time the man tries touching the pastor, the pastor moves back.
The pastor then ask the blind man that has regained his sight.

Pastor:"whats the colour of my suit?"
The blind man: Black
Pastor: whats the colour curtain (he points to curtain)?"
The blind man: Red
Pastor: Give Jesus a big hands, he can seeeeeee, Halleluyah

Can someone tell me, who taught the man that red is red and black is black from birth?

Secondly

Speaker; Pastor, there is a man here, he has been dumb from birth for 30 years and jesus has healed him, he can speak now.

Pastor starts raising his finger for the man to count. Each time he raises a finger, the dumb counts one, two, three to five.

Can somebody tell me, who taught the man numerals.

I could remember a very funny incident that happened at Mushin, a suburb of Lagos State, many years back.

Public lecture was organised by muslims and along the line, they got to the issue of miracles that no christians can do that except jesus alone.

Funny enough, a pastor came out, mounted the stage and told everybody that he wanted to perform miracle that he would make the blind see, the lame walk etc. People started bringing the blind, lame etc to the stage.

The pastor then requested for a glass of water and before you could say Jack, bags of satchet water, bottled water etc flooded the stage.

The pastor prayed and did same to the bucketful of water in front of him. He first went to the blind, pour the water on him, the eyes refused to open, did same to the lame, same story.

He did this for hours without success and said that it was because the blind, lame etc didnt believe in him. The handicapped quickly told the pastor that they believed. The man tried so tay, no luck oo.

I dont even know that they came in two. His friend too mounted the stage, prayed, speak the abrakadabra stuff and tried opening their eyes but no way ooo.He tried making them walk, but no way oooooooo.

In short, they both left the stage in shame.

@mrpataki, you might have deceived muslims in some areas but as far as this nairaland exists. nothing of such will ever happen.

So be straightforward and let me know where you are going and if you have any problem that you want me to solve for you, be it in Islam or christianity, open a thread and I will do justice to your problems.

hmmmmmmmmmm

congratulobia

Please tell her to extend the I.v , make she no do chop alone ,

I didnt hear anything ooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Stay blessed and my regards to her.

Dear brother backslider,

We meet here again.

Please in all honesty, I want you to quote any verse from the Glorious that says Muslims worship moon.

Better still, let me have your evidence and we move from there.

Maa Salam

@lisbet

I will answer you questions one after the other.

1. I'm a Christian but i want to as muslims why do muslims in some countries believe that killing people with bombs is good and why do this people believe they are going to meet their creator after commiting this acts?.

No muslim supports terrorism. Islam is different from Terrorism. That is part of the sign of the last day.

2. If a Muslims converts to be a Christian he or she can be called his Muslim name even in a church gathering but if a Christian converts to a Muslim He has to change his or her Christian name?

Christian name is different from Islamic name. For example you know that John is an English name and cannot be used in place of Islamic name. Once you are a muslim, you have to bear Islamic name because on the day of Judgement, its this name that will be used to call you. That is the more reason it is being said that, the moment you give birth, you must give him/her a name before the normal ceremony.

3. From what i watched in a Muslim movie Muhammad was a warrior but our Jesus preached only about peace and love never once did he hurt anyone.?

He was, he fought defensively to repel aggression. We also have the likes in the bible.

4 When Christians Fast we don't advertise that we are fasting its between us and God, Jesus even said when we fast we should look good so people will not know.but when muslims go for fasting they all tell people they are fasting.?

My sister, christians fast is not compulsory. The reason for saying this is that, you will hear some telling you that fasting was meant for jesus alone and that there is no where it refers to them. Also you will see some, fasting for some hours, eg. half a day or whatever. But when it comes to fasting in Islam, its not muslims that advertise it but the month advertises itself. Muslims have their own calendars in which they will know when the month is around. What you see as advertising is the siting of the moon in which they will anounce that whoever sights the moon should call particular place and number in order to arrive at conformity. A fasting muslim does not go about telling people that he/she is fasting unless is he/she is being pushed to the wall. Muslims are even allowed to bath or wash their faces anytime they feel like so that they wont appear as people fasting. There is no show off when it comes to Ramadhan.

5. As a Christian we can pray anywhere and anytime , and no special thing u have to do to be able to pray to God as much as u like, u can close yr eyes, or not, u can stand or kneel etc. But for Muslims it very different?

This is a very good question. In Islam, there is concordance as to the way of reaching out to Allah. Allah in His Holy Book told us that the only way we can pray to him is through the Solat etc. If muslims are allowed to pray as they like, there will never be unity and lack of unity will create a lot of confusion. We observe the same mode of worship in order to eliminate confusion. Muslims can supplicate wherever they are and in any position too.

Hope I have answered you?


Peace

@lafile,

We will see as we proceed.

@somali_guy,

You are welcome brother.

@syrup

Posted by syrup
That's a queer admission by a Muslim, because many Muslim apologists have in recent times tried to deny that Abraham was the father of the Jews.

He may be the father of the jews but he wasnt a jew

Posted by syrup
Okay. Perhaps you should check verse 15 of that chapter in Deuteronomy 18 again ~~ "15The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken."

Is it clear now? The Prophet spoken of would be a Jew; for He would be raised from the midst of the Jews, and not the Arabs.

Even then, when you look carefully at verse 18, you would just have to concede that Muhammad never qualified in any respect as the Prophet like unto Moses.

So to you, in the midst of their brethren means among the jews. Please read the construction of the sentence you are referring to.

Posted by syrup
All three questions were answered; and Jesus Himself was that Prophet - as He confirmed in John 5:46 >> "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me."

Not only so, but others who listened to Jesus were convinced beyond the shadow of a doubt that He was the very Prophet of whom Moses wrote:

"Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph." (John 1:45)

"Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world" (John 6:14)

In that case, Let me have your valid points that will make the above prophesy refer to Jesus.

@syrup.

I have given you some verses from the book of Isaiah that referred to Prophet Muhammed.

Now lets address the issue one after the other. First will be Deuteronomy 18v18 and after that we go to John 16v7.

I will like to hear from you, what made the prophesy rests on Jesus.

@syrup-shahan


Posted by syrup
3. There are some people who have died twice. Those (such as Lazarus and the son of the widow) who were miraculously raised from the dead by Jesus Christ, have yet died again as they are not alive to this day. When the Bible says "it is appointed unto men once to die", you should first seek to understand that statement before using it to trump up your convoluted ideas.

Okay maam. Jesus said that being can die once and here you are giving me stories of lazarus and co. Do the two not contradict ma?


Posted by syrup
3. Jesus actually died and rose again from the dead - precisely as the Bible declares. The best Muslims have come up with is a denial of the Bible; whereas neither Muhammad nor any Muslim scholar has been able to provide evidence for the tales told in the Qur'an.

As the bible declares!!hmmm. We shall see from your own bible if its true. So I Have not been providing evidence?

Answer the same questions thrown at babyosis

First set of questions


We learnt that Joseph and Nicodemus had already done the anointing with ‘hundred pounds weight of aloes and myrrh’ (john 19v39). So what sort of anointing is that again? Mary saw the sign of life in Jesus and decided to come and help the Master by 'massaging' him.

1. Do jews anoint corpses after three days?
2. Do they go to Sabbath to anoint the dead after it has been buried?
3. When did the practice stop if they have been?
4. Do Jews re-anoint already buried corpse?
5. Why did Mary want to anoint a decomposing body?

After these I will move to Jesus as Gardener


Posted by Syrup
What is infact odd is your dribbling around verses with the words "raised" and "lifted" to suggest what thye do not mean at all. The Biblical narratives of the Crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus are not fabricated. The accounts were eye-witness accounts; and they were well prophesied in the OT.

1.Who were the eyewitnesses? Let me have a verse supporting your claim
2. Let me have the prophesy in the OT

Posted by syrup
2. If you are so sure of your arguments at all, can you please tell us why Muhammad never made any reference to Isaiah at all? If Isaiah's prophecy appeals to you at all, do you also recognize that in the same prophecy the Messaih is called "the might God"? Even the NIV you have been quoting clearly calls the Messiah "Mighty God" in Isa.9:6.

I have replied to Isaiah 9v6, one of 4 get me's question. Check it out.

Quran 40v78: we did aforetime send apostles before thee, of them are some whose story we have related to thee and some whose story we have not related to thee.

Now compare these two verses

Quran 7v158: , the prophet who can neither read nor write
Quran 96 v 1-5; Read in the name of your Lord and Cherisher who created man from a mere clot of congealed blood. Read!, and they Lord is most beautiful .He who taught men the use of pen.

Isaiah 29v12: and the book was delivered to him that is not learned saying, Read this, I pray thee and he saith,' I am not learned"


Posted by syrup
Second, in great disregard for authentic prophesies, Muhammad stands accused by his own Qur'an for having tried to reduce the glory of the Son of God to a mere "slave" of Arab polytheism. That is as blasphemous as the verses in the Qur'an highlight; and there's no twisting and turning around that verse to accuse Christians for doing the right thing.

Please read domwas2's thread for better explanation on "sonship of God' as being used by the Jews

Posted by syrup
Can you please establish where in the Qur'an Muslims are called "followers of Jesus"?

Very good then, please give me a verse where Jesus used the word 'christianity' for you

Posted by syrup
Where did Muhammad get his version of the birth and miracles of Jesus - while leaving out His death by Crucifixion, His resurrection, His fulfillment of OT prophesies, His divine teachings, His glorifying the Father on earth, and the fact that He called Himself the Son of God, and testified that His salvation was to the ends of the world??

Read Quran chaprer 3 for explanation on that

Posted by syrup
And why is it that only Jesus was called "Christ" in the Qur'an - what is the meaning of "CHRIST" if it falls short of the One anointed to save?

Also read donwas2's post for explanation on christ. So you dont know that christ means 'anointed'. Its not only Jesus that the title was used for. Na wa ooooo.

Post by syrup
You really don't believe in Jesus Christ at all if you can conveniently pander to the denials of the Qur'an while holding that out to be "truth".
[/b]Go read Quran chapter 3

[b]Posted by syrup
Can you please show one verse in the Bible where Jesus categorically state that "He is not God"??]

Is there no difference between someone that sent and someone that was sent?

Posted by syrup
If you are so convinced that the "commandments" are able to save, which one of the Mosaic Commandments do you keep in order to be "saved"? Do Muslims keep the "commandments" of a Testament they accuse of having been corrupt?

So you dont know that we have the 10 commandments in the Quran too.


Posted by syrup
And what is the summation of that drivel - how do you establish the fact of Muhammad's denials as "truth"? And who was Muhammad really accusing - the Jews or Christians? How did he come about his summation that Christians killed Jesus (if that's what you're applying to those verses)??

Are you a jew? Na real wa o. So to you, christians are also jews.

@Mrmayor

I read the continuation on John 19v14 to show he was not crucified at the 3rd hour

v17: So they took Jesus, and he went out, bearing his own cross, to the place called the place of the skull which in Hebrew is called Golgotha

v18; There they crucified him

another contradiction sir, the above said jesus carried the cross by himself while a verse says simon carried it for him

Mathew 27v32: As they went out, they came upon a man of cyrene, simon by name, this man they compelled to carry his cross.

Which one do we choose again?

Dear brother backslider,

I have been using the bible for you because if I quote the Quran for you, you will never believe me, so I have to use what you believe in.

Am already saved, its you that needs to be saved. You have read the story of Jesus in the Quran, telling you that we muslims believe in him.

Salam

Dear brother backslider,


Please I have explained to you and I dont think I can explain in any other way again, there is no contradiction there brother.

@syrup,

If you resort to being funny, babs will not hesitate too.

1. You claimed there are no contradictions, please explain the below to me

a. who carry the cross to golgota?
 i.  Jesus carried it by himself (johjn 19v17)
 ii. Simon carried it (mathew 27v32, mark 15v21-22)

b. who put the vinegar in to his mouth

i.   One person put it (mark 15v36, mathew 27v47)
  ii They put it into his mouth (john 19v28-30)

c. Who hold the legs of jesus? ?
  i.   The two mary (mathew 28v1-9)
 ii   No marry was allowed to touch him (john 20v16-17)

etc,

2. In john 5v37, were his disciples not present?

@syrup

Respect is reciprocal. If you resort to being funny, babs will also do same (understood).

What do you understand by Jesus' own words in the following:

John 5:23 ~ "That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him."

Did you see the word, "which hath sent him". Can God send himself?

John 14:1 ~ "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me."

Does the above make jesus to be God? He is saying that since they believed in God, they should him also that God sent.

How is God honoured - and was Jesus saying that men should honour the Son in a different way?

Syrup, the above does not in anyway makes jesus to be God.

How does someone believe in GOD - and was Jesus asking people to believe in Him in different

You believe in God through His work etc
You believe in God by accepting the prophets, His books, His commandments, His will etc

and so on

@mrmayor

Now I want you to do justice to the verse please

You have been giving me the verse from the mark that says he was crucified at the 3rd hour

Mark 15V25: and it was the third hour when they crucified him

Now compare with the below verse

John 19 v 14, it was about the sixth hour,

Which of the two are you taking?

@babyosis,

Did you notice the last sentence made by the respondent from the same site?

I quote:'Why would they go to anoint someone who was only in a coma?'

@syrup,

You blind fool, you are welcome to the thread. I will respond to your post very soon.

@pataki,

Your blind argument holds no water.

The issue of purification is in your bible, but you will condemn it saying it was for the Israelites but the issue of tithe is never condemned still from the same Old Testament.

Thank you very much that we do yoga. Yoga is far more better than you that specialises in using a whole being for sacrifice!!.

You are no more different from Okija people. Hey, do you know about THE REFINED OGBONI FRATERNITY (ROF) and the ILEDI?

Yeye herbalist , even sango worshippers are far better than you people.

Christians, tufiakwa!!!

And please do not dance yourself to, on the Judgement Day.
Makossa, juju, highlife dancers.

Yeye people

Dear brother.

I saw something in your post.

Where did jesus say we should accept him as GOD?

Dear brother.

I have told you to ask your cafe friend these questions

1. the Quran the shites read and sunnis
2. where they both face during prayer
3. the Surahs they both recite during prayers.


Maa Salam

@mrpataki,

Why pretending as being blind.

Common, say something on the above verse, the issue of pigs and dogs as used by Jesus in the bible.

Am still asking you to give me a verse that says christians should be killed.

I wonder why you always associate yourself with the jews when you are not a jew.

Christians were allowed to practice teir religion during the prophets era.

@Grouppoint,

Thanks so much for the post.

Characteristics of people that will make it to heaven!

Note that if you possess the characteristics, heaven is a sure bet for you.

Acceptance of Jesus is not the way you may be thinking. Like I have been saying in my posts, jesus is no more than earthly savour. He came and preached to people to do the will of God. We have scores of earthly saviours.

But what I want you to know is that, jesus has never preached blood atonement as the means of getting salvation.

He never said if you don’t believe in so and so blood, he only preached repentance and the following of the commandments which if adhered to, will guarantee paradise.

True believers believe in him as the messenger of God but not as the one dying for anyone’s sin.

What jesus meant by telling them to follow him is that, all prophets during their time were leaders and there is no way you can get to God without knowing the prophets. All these prophets directed people towards the serving of God. We have it in the bible where you can gain paradise by following the commandments.

This ‘follow me’ that jesus said was used by him during his time and to those that were with him. Then you cant have access to God without going through the prophets being the leaders but not as you may be thinking that ‘as personal saviour or whatever’.

Jesus made it known to us that if you are able to keep the commandments, heaven is sure for you.

Thank you sir.

@backslider,

Dear Brother,

God cannot be deceived and on that last day, Jesus will witness against you for all the blasphemous statement you have been utterring .

How can God, when he is not sango or ogun worshipper, take a son (the beloved son) and use it for sacrifice!!

This curse that you all claimed to have been cleansed is still hanging.

Be wise up brother, do not be deceived again.

Maa Salam

@babyosis,


Thanks for tendering your ignorance. Your sister left because she couldnt answer the questions. Mrmayor posted a site and you didnt bother to check before giving it to me.

It is very glaring that pastors and the like have never provided answers and will never be because its a fraud.

I will paste it here for readers to see.

Here goes the questions as listed in the site
1. Is it a practice to anoint dead bodies on the third day in ANY religion?

Read the response
When a body is taken down so as not to have it hanging out on the Sabbath and put into a tomb without anointing, I would say, yes, that anyone would not want someone they love to rot without anointing and would go back after the Sabbath to do so, especially women who followed Jesus and ministered to him and loved him very much and were there when we died on the cross. Why would they go to anoint someone who was only in a coma?

The question still goes of what use is the anointing of a dead, decomposing body?

We learnt that Joseph and Nicodemus had already done the anointing with ‘hundred pounds weight of aloes and myrrh’ (john 19v39). So what sort of anointing is that again? Mary saw the sign of life in Jesus and decided to come and help the Master by massaging him.

Do they go to Sabbath to anoint the dead after it has been buried? No its never done. Why will they want to anoint a decomposing body?

It is known that Jews do not ‘anoint’ a dead decomposing body after three days. We also learnt that Nicodemus did the anointing for Jesus.

Mrmayor, help me ask her

1. Do Jews re-anoint an already anointed decomposing body after three days?
2. Of what use is the anointing and re-anointing?
2. When did the practice stop

More to come after this

Now to your post. Let me start with 4 get me

Hope you are all seeing the reasons for the non-interference of my brothers and sisters. A knowledgeable muslim is enough for thousands of christians put together. Islam is the truth and I have been exposing the fraud in christianity and will continue till people see the falsehood in christianity especially the issue of christ being crucifified.

@4 get me

You posted a quote in which you never ponder on before posting to me.

3:55 "Behold! Allah said:  O Jesus!  I will take thee And raise thee to Myself And clear thee (of the falsehoods) Of those who blaspheme; I will make those Who follow thee superior To those who reject faith, To the Day of Resurrection:  Then shall ye all return unto me, And I will judge Between you of the matters wherein ye dispute

Note the words, 'I will take thee and raise thee to myself', 'and clear thee of falsehood of those who blaspheme, ' I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith',

Let see one after the other.

1. 'I will take thee and raise thee to myself' . Compare the words with that of Quran 4v 156-159 and Isaiah 52v 13: Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Isaiah 52v13: he will be raised and lifted up

The book of Isaiah didnot say that he would be resurrected. They did not kill him and that is the reason for God raising him up. He will come as the sign of the last hour to come and live and die. No being can die twice. It is appointed unto man to die once. Isaiah even used the words, 'raised' and 'lifted' to clarify the issue.

Also, ", he will be raised and lifted up, " seems to suggest that Jesus will be picked up right from the cross, or saved right from the cross by Allah Almighty.  "raised and lifted" seems to suggest that Jesus will not die, nor get crucified, but rather be raised and lifted by GOD Almighty to Heavens.

It just seems odd to see both words "raised" and "lifted", and not just one of them, in Isaiah 52:13, and yet think that they agree with the fabricated crucifixion story about Jesus in the NT.  

Why did GOD Almighty choose to say "raised" and "lifted" in Isaiah 52:13?

2. clear thee of falsehood of those who blaspheme,

So you dont know that the above verse is referring to you christians! You have been saying all sorts of blasphemous statement against Jesus, calling him God, son of God, the saviour, he died for your sin, etc. Muslims do not blaspheme against him, we accord him respect and accept him as the servant and messenger of Allah (swt).Better still,  can you tell where Muslims has blasphemed against Jesus.

3. I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith',

Yes. We muslims are the real followers of Jesus. We believe in his birth, his miracles, his being to Israelites, his ascension etc. But you do not follow him, you are acting contrary to him. Jesus made it clear in the bible that he is not but you claimed he is God. He said that one can gain paradise by keeping the commandments but you said no, its only through his blood, etc. Also go to the link I supplied, you will read about Nazarenes and christianity and will read about Jesus christ as the PROPHET OF ISLAM.

Read the below verse again

"That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge;  That they said (in boast):  'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.'  But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.  Nay[b], Allah raised him up Unto Himself;[/b] and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise.  And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him  (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them.   (The Noble Quran, 4:156-159)"  

Did you read the above too.

A word is enough for the wise.

Salam.

Now over to babyosis

These christians have been preaching false doctrine on the cruxifixion of jesus for the past thousands years, having led and still leading thousands of people astray.

The time has come for people to see the truth and wake up from the deceit perpetrated by babyosis and the rest.

Sometime ago, I told Havila that Paul started christianity and that Followers of Jesus christ were called Nazarene and had their religion different from today's christianity but he called me liar.

Truth will always prevail falsehood.

Now please check the site below, there you will read about Essenism. The name of the Essenes had been changed previously from Hassidim to Essenes. Philo calls them Therapeutae, and Eusebins says the Therapentae were Christians. They have their doctrines different from christianity

http://www.thenazareneway.com/essene_and_christian_parallels.htm

Jesus said:
"After my departure there will arise the ignorant and the crafty, and many things will they ascribe unto Me that I never spake, and many things which I did speak will they withhold, but the day will come when the clouds shall be rolled away, and the Sun of Righteousness shall shine forth with healing in his wings" ~Jesus, The Essene Gospel of Peace

Secondly, please go to
http://www.thenazareneway.com/index.htm

Where you will read about

The Apocryphal Texts, The Gospel of the Nazarenes, The Essene Gospels of Peace, The Nag Hammadi Library, The Gospel of Thomas ,The Greek New Testament,Christ in Islâm etc

You will also read about the forgotten teachings, origin of the Essenes, Jesus having a son, etc

Please very important.

TRUTH HAS COME, FALSEHOOD IS BOUND TO PERISH.

Before I address both of you one after the other, I want you two (babyosis and 4get me) to check the below sites where you will read many historical errors in Jesus’ trial and crucifixion

http://www.secweb.org/index.aspx?action=viewAsset&id=125

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/james_still/jesus_trial.html

http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/sanhedrin.html

http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishviewofjesus/a/jesus_trial.htm

http://www.pathlights.com/theselastdays/tracts/tract_13c.htm

Happy reading

@mrmayor,




Thanks for that wonderful and funny site. It seems babyosis and 4 get me never checked the site.

Once thanks for the site.

@ backslider,

Brother
Am very sorry but I have to give you what you believe in.

@Babyosis,

I laugh when anytime I read christians posting verses supporting their claims, they never knew that most verses contradict each other.

1. What do the verses (20 & 21) mean to you?

You quoted from the letter of Simon Peter where he said that a voice came from heaven saying that, 'this is my beloved son with whom I am well pleased. Peter said they all heard the voice meaning that it must be God speaking huh.

Posted by babyosis
2Pe 1:17 For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

2Pe 1:18 And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.

Now read the verse below and tell me who to believe between Simon Peter and Jesus

John 5 v37: And the Father who sent has himself borne witness to me.HIS VOICE YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD, his form you have never seen,

2. Which do we hold on to?

Funny People

@ backslider,

Brother

I even laugh when a verse is being picked from the old testament, christians will quickly lie that the verse is for the jews but they never for one day condemn the issue of tilth in Malachi.

I will still respond your post but want you to answer these for me please.

1. Why did God not send Jesus immediately after Adam but allowed string of prophets to have come and gone before Jesus?

2. Can you face firing squad on behalf of a sin committed by another person?

3. If God's anger was kindled against Adam and Eve for their disobedience, could the anger persist onto the generation of Adam and Eve?

4. If sin means breaking of God's law, which of the children of Adam had ever known anything called the forbidden tree?

5. If men are born sinners, the coming of jesus at the end of the world to die for sins of men is equally stupefying with regards to countless number of people that have gone before his coming.

6. Let me ask, what kind of God is that, because of the sin of two people, decided to condemn the entire humanity for the sin they knew nothing about?

7. If really there is salvation in his blood, why did he preach repentance

8. Also if its only through his blood one can gain salvation, why did he used little children as examples since the bible says that no one born of a woman is clean

Maa Saalm