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@Javalove


Oga, you shoud have read from Mukina that she is not interested in you. She is plannng Nikkah with another person and not you. Since Mukina has given you marching order, you must not come near Princess Bibs


@Mukina

You shoud have been straight forward by letting Javaove know that nothing for him. In fact, na oyo (on your own) he dey . Javalove should get your straight forward message.


@Bibs

Never mind jare. I would continue to make your head swell nitoripe because you deserve more than that from me, Babs


@Ayinba1

Hope you are not trying something because Mukina and Bibs are both engaged but your brother would marry any of Deepzone, Lady, Jesoul, May Kelly etc cos they woud revert to Islam very soon God willing

@Davidylan

1. 1 John 2: 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Brother, you dont just post ignorantly. Do Muslim deny that Jesus is the Christ?

- Christ means - the messiah, the anointed one, the saviour.

Kai, ignorant is really a disease. Where does Christ, Messiah means Saviour?

as usual, there are always "pending questions" for the christian. Ask a muslim a "pending question" and he is screaming in outrage, demanding the topic be shut down or the questioner be banned, even going to the extent of threatening the mods.

Do you care to debate 'pending questions' on Islam with me?

@Deepzone

I know you have a thing for babyosisi but I don't think she'll date you unless you've been washed by the blood of the lamb.

I don't have anything for her except her accepting Islam before its too late. You don't have to change your id just because all you have been holding on to have been rebuffed by Babs and shed more light and I noticed that you couldnt profess answers to my questions in this thread. You decided to change your id when you coulsnt stand the exposure on what you have been holding to on all these years.

Acceot Islam before its too late because Jesus Christ was also a Muslim and not a Christian as you may be ignorantly thinking.

Salam and thanks for the wonderful exposure. I will be on the look out for him and engage him in a debate using both books.

@Javalove

You think Mukina fit do that? Read through her posts and you would see that she dey feel jealous when learnt that Bibs is waiting around the corner. She is not confident in Javalove again but afraid of not losing Babs to Bibs.


@Mukina

Is it treu that you rebuffed Babs? I dont think you can because you are trying a come back which may be too late for you because of Angel Bibs.

@Bibs

Thanks for asking Mukina that question. I think she is developing cold feet with Javalove and trying a sort of u-turn to hijack Babs but I may let her know that the bus is full


@Huxley

Do you have anything yiou would like you and I to discuss with regards to Islam?

Deepzone the RedHot chic lady changing id like Babyosis.

@McUsman

Let it go

Islam has taught me to be grateful to almighty ALLAH SWT, in every situation, for everything he has done, he is doing , and will continue to do for me, because there is nothing like small mercies, like some people will say,
Islam has taught me to be humane,
Islam has taught me to be sober and reflective of life,
Isalm has taught me alot, is still teaching me, and will continue to teach me insha Allah,

I love that. We are still learning and will continue to do that.

Jazakhullah Khairan Nanayisha

I love your post

@Mukina

Java
what wedding?

Help me ask im ooo

@ Bibs sorry Babs
glad that you are back
ask Bibs oh

What are you up to? Are you sure say my love no dey shack you so tay you dey mixed up names

@ Babs sorry Bibs
i am talking of you
Javalove is getting married
he doesnt need your consent oh

Kai, same mistake again. I can see that you are beginning to feel jealous because Bibs is around the corner. You better make up your mind before Bibs takes your place. I will not accept any side begging later o. So the ball is in your court now, make hay while the sun shines.

Where is that Java sef

Title: Do Muslims Hate non-Muslims?

Question: I am an American Christian and willing to accept Islam but I have one question in my mind. Please answer that on the website only I am not willing to tell you my identity due to security reason. 1) Why do you follow Mohammed and not Jesus if the Qur’an says he was the Messiah? I asked another Muslim guy about this and he said that Jesus is not the Messiah? Can you please help me with that? 2) If Jesus is alive then why Muslims do not follow HIM. 3) Why Muslims hate Non-Muslims? Please answer my questions ASAP. Thanks

Answer

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear brother, thanks for your question and we really appreciate the great confidence you repose in us. We implore Allah, the Almighty to make our efforts come up to your expectations.


As regards your question on Muslims' stand on Jesus, peace be upon him, it's clear that Muslims are commanded not to discriminate between one Prophet and another. We believe in all Prophets and Messengers sent by Allah to guide people and lead them to the Right Path. The Qur'an says:

"Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto Us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the Prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered." (Al-Baqarah: 136)

So the compassionate human trend included in the biography of Jesus is held in high esteem by both Muslims and their creed. It suffices here to say that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, never addressed Jesus, Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him, save by saying, “My brother Jesus.”

As for the second point, it's to be stressed that Muslims never hate non-Muslims just for the sake that they happen to be non-Muslims. On the contrary, we are allowed to have non-Muslims as friends as long as they don't show enmity towards Islam and Muslims. Islam teaches us that we should be friendly to all people and we should deal even with enemies with justice and fairness.

Dealing with these points in details, Sheikh Muhammad Iqbal Nadvi, Imam of Calgary Mosque, Alberta, Canada, and Former Professor at King Saud University, Riyad, Saudi Arabia, states:

“Let me answer your questions in point form:

1. With regard to your first question about the Muslims’ belief in Jesus, I can simple say that this question does not constitute any problem to any Muslim. As we know and believe, Jesus, peace be upon him, was the Prophet sent to the Children of Israel. As any Prophet sent to a specific nation, his mission was limited in scope and nature to the people he was sent to. Jesus, peace be upon him, himself prophesied and gave glad tidings about the coming of Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. Moreover, we as Muslims believe that Jesus, peace be upon him, did not die and that he will come back for a second time. In his next coming he will be following Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him.



So in this sense Muslims are really following Jesus, peace be upon him, and are showing great respect to him as one of the chief and great Prophets of Allah (God). However, we believe that Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, is the final Messenger of Allah the Almighty and there will no be prophet after him. Allah, the Almighty, has sent Prophet Muhammad as a mercy for all mankind and his message is for all people until the Day of Judgment.

2. As for your second question, I think that what you said about Muslims’ hatred of non-Muslims is nothing but a great misunderstanding of the spirit of Islam and who Muslims are. As a basic principle of Islam, we, Muslims, do not hate anyone on account of their cultural, religious, or ethnic backgrounds. Islam teaches us to interact with all people and wish good for the whole mankind.

However, Muslims hate Kufr, or disbelief in Allah, the Almighty. Since we love all people, we hate their disobedience of Allah, the Most High. So, even when people deny the existence of Allah we do not hate them personally; however, we hate their disbelief and disobedience of Allah, Exalted be He. This case is very similar to that of a doctor and a patient. The doctor does not hate the patient or the sick person himself or herself, rather he or she hates the disease and tries every possible means to cure the disease and help the patient to recover. We Muslims hate disbelief and disobedience of Allah and we are striving and sparing no effort to do away with this disease and cure people’s sickness and help them become obedient servants of Allah (God).
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545526

@Verilee

Should you kill infidels whereever you may find them?

Question
If Islam is a religion of love & peace, why do Muslims seek to kill all those who disagree with them?


Answer
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear brother, thanks a lot for your good question. We commend your efforts in pursuit of knowledge.

First of all, it should be clear that Islam maintains the protection of life and does not sanction any violation against it, irrespective of the people’s religion, race, sect, etc, The Qur’an says about the prohibition of murder, “…Take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.” (Al-An`am: 151) “Nor take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, We have given his heir authority (to demand Qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the law)” (Al-Isra’: 33)

According to the Qur’an, killing any person without a just cause is as big a sin as killing the whole humanity and saving the life of one person is as good deed as saving the whole humanity. (See Al-Ma’idah: 32) Muslims do not hate – let alone kill - non-Muslims, be they Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhist or followers of any religion or no religion. Our religion does not allow killing any innocent person regardless of his or her religion. The life of all human beings is sacrosanct according to the teachings of the Qur’an and the guidance of our blessed Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him and upon all the Prophets and Messengers of Allah.

When we Muslims state that Islam is a religion of peace, we are not trying to prove something unreasonable or solve a crossword puzzle. Rather, we are just stating a fact backed by clear-cut evidence and unquestionable proofs. Even we don’t need to state this fact, for Islam, in itself, is self-explanatory, in terms of its meaning, its noble teachings and the core of its message conveyed by the Prophets Allah sent to mankind.

With that statement, we don’t intend to sound apologetic, for Islamic concept of peace is very clear. It does not mean weakness, slavishness or surrendering to aggression and injustice. The Islamic concept of peace aims at securing security and harmony for the whole world, without any discrimination as to religion, race or color. Thus, Islam, right from its inception, waged a total war against injustice and oppression. It has made it clear that people should not be deprived of having access to the light of guidance. But throughout its history you can never find any trace of infringing upon people’s right to self expression, even at times that such right was misused. The cogent example to be mentioned here is the way the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, received the two envoys sent by Musailamah Al-Kazzab (the Liar). His fine remarks always ring in mind whenever the issue of diplomatic immunity comes to fore. He, peace and blessings be upon him, told the envoys when they addressed him in a very provocative way: “If not that the envoys should not be killed, I’d have ordered for you to be beheaded”, thus laying down the rule that was later codified as one of the principles of the modern international law.

The point here is, it’s not of the Islamic teachings to kill people just because they happen to be non-Muslims or happen to disagree with Muslims on some points. What attests to this is the fact that the first war in the Islamic history would have never occurred if not that the enemies of Islam could not be satisfied with expelling Muslims from their home (Makkah), rather they planned to carry the aggression to Madinah in order to exterminate Muslims once and for all. So the question that should have been asked is: why do opponents are always on the trail of Muslims?

Focusing more on your question, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and an Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states[b][/b]:

[b]“Islam is indeed a religion of love and peace. Islam does not teach people to kill all those who disagree with them simply because they disagree with them. If certain bigoted Muslims did so that is not the fault of Islam. How unjust would it be to say that Christianity is a religion that teaches violence and blood shed by looking at the historical performance of some so-called Christians: After all, Hitler who committed genocide against the Jews, the white supremacists in South America who practiced barbarities against the blacks, the Serbs who committed genocide against the Muslims in Bosnia, those who systematically practiced mass slaughter of Muslims and Jews in Spain, and burned heretics, etc. all claimed to be Christians. What about the Christians still killing each other in Ireland? So why use double standards in judging Islam? Stereotyping is wrong regardless of against whom we use it.

Vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with such violence or bloodshed that may or may not have been committed by those who claim to be Muslims. According to the strict verdict of the Qur’an, taking life of a single human being unjustly is akin to taking the life of all humanity. A good Muslim, therefore, is one who believes in sanctity of all life. The Prophet, peace be upon him, taught us that if a person were to kill even a single little sparrow, it would appear before the Lord of the worlds seeking God’s justice against the person!” (Source: www.islam.ca)[/b]

Salam

Do I have any Ghulam Ahmad follower here? When my father died, I found another reason they couldnt have been muslim. They are divided into two, Ahmadiyyah Muslim Jamaah and Ahmadiyyah movement but the later differs little from the former.

My brother prays at times in one of their mosques closer to my old man's house and felt it good to tell the members about the death of my father. So off he went to the mosque and told them about the death and they sympathized with him, came to my father's house, greeted everybody and funny enough, told my brother that he should know that they don't bury/participate in the burial of a muslim that is a not a member of Ahmadiyyah sect!!! .

My brother laughed and told them that he never prayed nor wanted them to bury the man but just felt like telling them since he do pray in their mosque.

The Imam that prayed at his grave wasnt from the society I attend nor my brothers but count himself as a Muslim as well, be it TMC, MSSN, Ansar-Ud-Deen, Nasfat, Quareeb etc, we are all one.

Ahmadiyyah na wa o

@May Kelly

You should have intelligently post them one at a time and we discuss rather than lifting everything from one of your false sites.

@Lady

Secondly did it ever occur to you that I am not done. In case you haven't noticed I always highlight every question and post an answer to them and when I have to leave and go do something else in my life, I leave and go do something else in my life and then when I have the time to return I do so and finish up.

Ok, so you are not through yet? I can wait to read the finishing part of your write up.

So here's a hint. When reading my post, go through and make sure that I answered your questions, if I haven't gone through them, don't reply and wait for me to return.
Simple as that.

So where are we now?

Olabowale and babs

What is the Christian meaning of the Trinity?
I am very serious about this question, because I don't think you are even listening to my answers. If you were you would ask me questions based on my answers and not from your own beliefs in the quran or islam.

It would be very helpful if you didn't ask me questions about your belief but rather about mine.

There is nothing like trinity from the bible and in christianity as well. The doctrine happened to be a later insertion by pagans in which early christians never practised and none of the early prophets/messengers heard the word trinity or preached any triun God.

Most christians supporting the doctrine of trinity claim Muslims go against it because the word 'TRINITY' doesnt exist in the bible but putting the mention of the word aside, no prophet/messenger preached God is father, God is Son and God is Holy Spirit. I know why you strongly suport this doctrine because it was infused into christianity by Catholics and going through the bible, it has no solid backing and verses in the bible go against it as well.

Jesus also made very straight forward statements, claiming that God sent him, God is superior to him, He came to do the will of the one that sent him etc. Read the bible very well and you would see that it didnt support trinity.

@Huxley

You are back. You carefully avoided my post from the koran, didn't you?

Can I have yur post again?

@Davidylan

Babs787 claimed he was coming to give a response (of course we are still waiting) but ONLY promising to do so "IN THE LIGHT OF THE BIBLE". Now what has the bible to do with the topic?

Please what other "responses" have i missed

?

I truly said that but have been busy putting things in order and you should have known that Babs doesnt run from threads. Besides, I read through this thread and found that answers have been provided. So tell me what else you need?

I am happy that my old man accepted Islam before his death and died as a MUSLIM as well. I can see that my brothers and sisters (in which I am proud of them) have dealt greatly with your questions here but would come in when there is need for me to.

Salam all

Please I would be needing Ahmadiyyah member here when I am through with what I am doing to answer a simple question to be put across to him/her. I detected another loophole in the sect called Ahmadiyyah when my father died and Alhamdulillah, he was not a member and didnt die as one as well.

salam all


I appreciate your brotherly and sisterly support and prayers. May Allah be with you all. (Amin). I feel so much appreciated and on top of the world for having brothers and sisters like you all .

Maa Salam and I will die as a Muslim and be buried as one.

@theopops

After all these gibberish, how does that answer the question[b]? So, you are supposed to strike back, once someone does you wrong? According to you, Islam does not mean peace, because if it did, you will recognize that when a wrong thing is done to you, killing the person is not the peaceful way to go[/b]. Thanks for confirming what we have always know. Islam doesn't mean peace.

Insha Allah, I will reply you when I am free giving you answer from the Quran, Hadith and in the light of the bible.

Thanks

@Deepzone

By Babs 787,
Now, where did he say that he redeemed you with his blood? Now if truly he came to die for your sins, why didnt he come immediately Adam and Eve committed the sin but had to wait thousand of years after prophets were sent to preach the oneness of God?


2 Peter 3:8–9 reads:
"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."


I hope that bible verse answers your question.

It never did. I asked a very straight but you went giving wrong verse to support your answer. I know that a thousand year is like a day before God but I asked, why did God not send Jesus immediately after the sin was committed but had to delay it after the demise of Noah, Abraham, Elijah, Elisha, Isaiah, Moses etc?

If really Jesus was sent for remission of sin and God didnt want anybody to perish, Jesus would have come directly to cleanse the world and not delaying it after prophets/messengers have come and gone, preaching repentance and oneness of God and no believing in any coming blood.

Kai, na wa o. Lots happened here o. Javalove, Mukina, Bibs, na wa o. So all of you could plan behind me?

@Lady

@Lady


I read through your posts and saw that you tried avoiding all I presented and noticed how you tried linking the already exposed verses (prophecies linked to Jesus) to Jesus and lastly the bringing of Prophet Muhammad into the thread.

You are free to post now but Babs will definitely be back for you and shed more lights on the verses your erroneously interpreted to suite your belief. I am putting few things in order but when I am back, you would definitely hear from me and you have also seen that Babs has not been lifting verses out of context as I saw you did in most of your verses but InSha Allah I would soon be back to reply your posts.

Have a pleasant weekend

Salam

Brother why not change your Id please?

Salam all


I am very grateful for your wonferdul messages. I am trying to put things in place after the burial: staying with the old mother and planning the way forward. But when I come back, will serve you the full gists of the burial and other things that came up particularly from his family members.

@Mukina

Thanks for spreading the message and hope you are not bothered that father would not be around to grace the coming occasion?

@Javalove

I will be back for you . I appreciate your posts . I hope you have accepted defeat in good faith?

@Bibs

Whats up? Dont mind that Javalove. I hope Mukina would not go for him because she will keep getting Java problem

@Ayinba1

Salam, I am gratefuk for having wonderful sister like you. I believe that death is the most certain thing in this world and I am even happy that he DIED AS A MUSLIM AND WAS BURIED AS ONE. He accepted Islam last year, before Ramadhan, fasted with us, fed those fastings and those that had nothing to feed on. I pray that Allah grant his Al-Janah Firdaus (Amin).


Alhamdulillah for being a muslim and will die as one.
If one desire a religion after Islam, it would nevr be accepted from him and would be among the loser on that day.

Maa Salam. I love you all

@Mukina

Babs

Babs

Babs

how many times i call you?

Three times Princess with love, care and affection.

@Davidylan

Take your time and read

Many among the people of the Book (Jews and Christians) wish they could somehow turn you back to unbelief, due to their selfish envy, after the truth has become quite clear to them. Forgive them and bear with them until Allah brings about His decision;rest assured that Allah has power over everything.  2 v 109


The Jews and the Christians will never be pleased with you, until you follow their faith. O Muhammad, tell them : "Allah’s guidance is the only guidance;" and if after all the knowledge you have received, you yield to their desires, there shall be none to protect you or help you from the wrath of Allah. Those to whom We have given the book and who read it as it ought to be read, they are the ones who believe in it; as for those who reject it, they are for sure the losers. 2 v 120-121


Even if We had sent to them the angels, made the dead speak to them, and presented all the different things of the world before them as proof, they would have not believed, unless Allah wanted otherwise (and forcing someone to believe is not what He wants): Yet most of them act out of ignorance. Like this Messenger, We had granted each Messenger his opponents - Satans from among the human beings and Jinns - some of them inspire the others with seductive discourses of deception. If your Lord wanted, they would not have done so. Therefore, neglect them as well as what they invent, so that the hearts of those who do not believe in the hereafter may be inclined to what they say, and be pleased with it; and so that they can earn what they wish to earn. Say: Should I seek a judge other than Allah, when He is the One Who has revealed this Book (The Qur'an) with full details?

Those whom We gave the Book, before you, know very well that it is revealed to you from your Lord with the Truth; therefore, you should not be of those who have doubts. The Words of your Lord have been completed with credibility and justice; there is no way to change His Words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.6 v 111-115


Jews and the Christians say: "We are the children of Allah and His beloved ones." Ask them, "Why then does He punish you for your sins? Nay! In fact you are human beings like others which He has created. He forgives whom He pleases and He punishes whom He pleases. To Allah belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the final refuge." O people of the Book! Indeed Our Messenger has now come to you making clear to you the teaching of the Right Way , after a long break in the series of the Messengers, so that you may not be able to say, "No one has come to give us good news or to warn us." Now someone has come to give you good news and warn you so listen to him. Allah has power over everything. 5 v 18-19


Mankind was one nation having one religion. Later when people invented other religions, Allah appointed Prophets as bearers of good news and warnings; and revealed to them the Book with the True Guidance to settle the matters of dispute between mankind. But the very people to whom it was given, started disputes after the clear arguments had come to them, because of rivalry between one another.
Allah has guided the believers by His will to the truth in those matters in which they had differences. Allah guides whom He pleases towards the [/b]Right Way. 2 v


[b]The Jews and the Christians will never be pleased with you, until you follow their faith. O Muhammad, tell them : "Allah’s guidance is the only guidance;" and if after all the knowledge you have received, you yield to their desires, there shall be none to protect you or help you from the wrath of Allah. Those to whom We have given the book and who read it as it ought to be read, they are the ones who believe in it;as for those who reject it, they are for sure the losers. 2v 120 - 121


They say: "None shall enter paradise except the one who is a Jew or a Christian." These are their vain desires. Say O Muhammad: "Let us have your proof if you are right in your claim." Yea! Whoever submits himself entirely to Allah and is good to others will be rewarded by his Lord; and will have nothing to fear or to regret.2 v 111-112

@Kunleoshob

How come the people of arabia were idol worshippers, since they are the decndants of Abraham and Abraham knew and worshipped Allah. Did he not introduce the worship of Allah to his decendants or they went astray along the line?

Please going down the memory lane, has ever been any prophet/messenger in which his community (people) accept his message?

Has there been a situation where the people of each prophet/messenger in which they were being sent to accept his message? Read the story of Abraham and you would see that he found them worshipping idol, preached to them and some paety continue fter his demise whuch happened to all prophets hence Allah telling them their job is to deliver the message (plain warner)

ABRAHAM (PBUH)

Indeed We bestowed aforetime on Ibrahim his (portion of) guidance, and We were Well Acquainted with him( as to his Belief in the Oneness of Allah etc). ( 21v 51)

Thus did We show Ibrahim the kingdom of the heavens and the earth that he be one of those who have Faith and certainty. When the night covered him over with darkness he saw a star. He said: "This is my lord." But when it set, he said: "I like not that those who set." When he saw the moon rising up he said: "This is my lord." but when it set he said: "Unless my Lord guides me, I shall surely be among the erring people." When he saw the sun rising up he said: "This is my lord, This is greater." But when it set, he said: "O my people! I am indeed free from all that you join as partners in worship with Allah. Verily, I have turned my face towards Him Who has created the heavens and the earth Hanifan (Islamic Monotheism, i.e. worshipping none but Allah Alone) and I am not of the Al Mushrikeen (those who worship others besides Allah)."

His people disputed with him. He said: "Do you dispute with me concerning Allah while HE has guided me and I fear not those whom you associate with Allah in worship. (Nothing can happen to me) except when my Lord (Allah) wills something. My Lord comprehends in His Knowledge all things. Will you not then remember?

"And how should I fear those whom you associate in worship with Allah (though they can neither benefit nor harm), while you fear not that you have joined in worship with Allah things for which HE has not sent down to you any authority. So which of the two parties has more right to be in security? If you but know."

The above showed that he told his people about the oneness of God

It is those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah and worship none but Him Alone) and confuse not their belief with Zulm (wrong, i.e. by worshipping others besides Allah), for them only there is security and they are the guided. And that was Our proof which We gave Ibrahim against his people. We raise whom We will in degrees. Certainly your Lord is All Wise, All Knowing. (6:75-83 Quran).

Ibrahim made clear to them, first that the celestial bodies are unworthy of worship and second that they are among the signs of Allah. Almighty Allah commanded: And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them if you really worship Him. ( 41:37)

Ibrahim's reasoning helped to reveal the truth, and then the conflict between him and his people began for the worshippers of the stars and planets did not stand mute. they began arguing and threatening Ibrahim.

Ibrahim replied: "Do you dispute with me concerning Allah while HE has guided me, and I fear not those whom you associate with Allah in worship. (Nothing can happen to me except when my Lord (Allah) wills something. My Lord comprehends in His Knowledge all things. Will you not then remember? How should I fear those whom you associate in worship with Allah (though they can neither benefit or harm), while you fear not that you have joined in worship with Allah things for which He has not sent down to you any authority. SO which of the two parties has more rights to be in security? , if you but know! It is those who believe (in the oneness of Allah and worship none but HiAlone) and confuse not their belief with Zulm (wrong by worshipping others besides Allah), for them only there is security and they are the guided." (6:80-82)

And that was Our Proof which We gave Ibrahim against his people. We raised whom We will in degrees. Certainly your Lord is All Wise, All Knowing. (6:83)

HE said to his father and his people: "What are these images, to which you are devoted?" they said: "We found our fathers worshipping them." He said: "Indeed you and your fathers have been in manifest error." They said: "Have you brought us the truth, or are you one of those who play about[/b]?" He said: "Nay, your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, Who created them and of that I am of the witnesses." (21:52-56)

[b]he hastily added: "O my father! Verily! There has come to me of knowledge that which came not unto you. So follow me. I will guide you to a Straight Path. O my father! Worship not Satan. Verily! Stan has been a rebel against the Most Beneficent (Allah). O my father! Verily! I fear lest a torment from the Most Beneficent (Allah) overtake you as that you become a companion of Satan (in the Hellfire)."

He (the father) said: "Do you reject my gods, O Ibrahim? If you stop not this, I will indeed stone you. So get away from me safely before I punish you." Ibrahim said: "Peace be on you! I will ask Forgiveness of my Lord for you. Verily! He is unto me, Ever Most Gracious. And I shall turn away from you and from those whom you invoke besides Allah." (19:43-48)

Almighty Allah recounted: Recite to them the story of Ibrahim. When he said to his father and his people. "What do you worship[/b]?" [b]They said: "We worship idols, and to them we are ever devoted." He said: "Do they hear you when you call on them? OR do they benefit you or do they harm you?" They said: "Nay but we found our father doing so."[/b]

He said: [b]"Do you observe that which you been worshipping, You and your ancient fathers? Verily! They are enemies to me, save the Lord of the Alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists); Who has created me and it is HE Who guides me and it is HE Who feeds me and gives me to drink. And when I am ill, it is He who cures me; and Who will cause me to die and then will bring me to life again and Who I hope will forgive me my faults on the Day of Resurrection." (26:69-82 Quran).

In another surah The Almighty revealed: And remember Ibrahim when he said to his people: "Worship Allah Alone and fear Him that is better for you if you did but know. You worship besides Allah only idols and you only invent falsehood. Verily, those whom you worship beside Allah have no power to give you provision, so seek your provision from Allah Alone, you will be brought back. And if you deny then nations before you have denied their Messengers. the duty of the Messenger is only to convey the Message plainly.


Hope you understood?

@Dvidylan

lol blabs . . . we are always discussing something on the bible. Why don't we open a quranic doctrine to discuss for ONCE? Is your own islam all about debunking the bible?

If you are really man enough for discussion on Quranic doctrine, then creaate a thread and discuss. Its an open challenge from me to you, Davidylan. Lastly, let me have where I debunked the bible and we both have a look at the verses together.

@Davidylan

The thread is still opened for discussion and you may contribute your 2 cents there. Most of your alleged prophecies in which you have been blindfolded to accept as the prophecies of Jesus have been exposed and I am now seeing the real reason behind your cry. In case you want to contribute and support the already nailed doctrine of trinity, supply fresh prophecies and facts from your book if you are man enough and Babs will educate you. I am very sure you wouldnt have been reading the bible more than I do and there is no secret interpretation of the verses. So the door is wide opened if you are man enough to support TRINITY
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-146313.64.html

@A.K.O.

Yeah, so now what?

No game playing here, you understood me perfectly

You agree with what I said that you quoted right?

I dont agree to people that are not sincere to themselves. You had a discussion with Ayinba, linked her to a thread in which I brought out the conversation for you to see. I noticed that Tpia asked you a question in which you didnt want to answer. You have been posting freely here and you have not been challenged or ban but you are still saying that you re being sidelined or whatever. Are you being fair to yourself?

aaa kuku da

Amin