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@Davidylan

What babs did was merely plagiarise the already discredited work of Ahmed Deedat.

Fools would always portray themselves as one. Why do you like crying 'plagiariazation' even when glaring fact are presented? I didnt copy hiswork and you should be able to refute what I presented rather than giving lame excuses.


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The original greek title of Jesus is ho Christo - which means THE Christ

- The quran itself describes Jesus as al masih - which means THE Messiah.

Those are the REAL FACTS.

How does the above goes contrary to what I said?

@javalove

so its not good to say[b] "ola anobi wa muhammed"[/b] when praying, ?

You got it wrong. The highlighted is quite different from in the name of Jesus or in the name of Muhammad (Peace be on them). There is nothing wrong in saying the above.

@Mukina

Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo man yartadda minkum AAan deenihi fasawfa yatee Allahu biqawmin yuhibbuhum wayuhibboonahu athillatin AAala almumineena aAAizzatin AAala alkafireena yujahidoona fee sabeeli Allahi wala yakhafoona lawmata laimin thalika fadlu Allahi yuteehi man yashao waAllahu wasiAAun AAaleemun


O you who believe! whoever from among you turns back from his religion, then Allah will bring a people, He shall love them and they shall love Him, lowly before the believers, mighty against the unbelievers, they shall strive hard in Allah's way and shall not fear the censure of any censurer; this is Allah's Face, He gives it to whom He pleases, and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing. (5:54)

I think the verse is for me. Short but very powerful for those that have eyes, ears and can reflect on the favour and Mercies of God. Eversine my accepting the light, He has been wonderful to me and keep increasing my knowledge.

Jzakhullah Khairan

@May Kelly

@davidylan, are you not wasting time would babs787 ever understand

Babs would never follow the hogwash you failed to defend and has been failing to do that and this particular is enough evidence that you have been dancing about making no sense. I f you are ready for a round table discussion, then you have me by your side.

My dear sista ayinba1, I appreciate your contributions. But My Bible has a clear knowledge about LORD JESUS CHRIST. listen "For God so loves the world that he gave his only[b] begotten son , for whosoever believes in him SHOULD NOT PERISH but have EVERLASTING LIFE"[/b]

Have you been able to profer explain to the other verses in which God told some people that they were his begotten sons and even first born?

Right from orgin MAN have sinned and fall short of the glory of GOD. There is no none even one that the MY FATHER in HEAVEN can sent, So HE (MY FATHER IN HEAVEN) sent his WORD (LORD JESUS) into the world. He is neither Married or sinful. He (LORD JESUS) came as a MESSIAH (SAVIOUR)

I laugh when I read the high level of hypocrisy being showcased by you people. In some threads, you claimed that Jesus is also God while you ignorantly nailed the so called trinity yourself in most threads like your post above in which you claimed that God sent JESUS and he happened to be His word which hmeans that you are drawing closer to Muslims' believe. Muslims as well believe that he is a word from God

During HIS(LORD JESUS) baptism, A voice from heaven came saying"This is my Beloved Son" such as never happened to any prophet(s) of GOD.

How do some people without having a secong thought? Jesus in which you claimed to have been God, spoke from Heaven to his other part that, 'thisis my beloved son". You can imagine God Jesus calling himself 'His beloved son'. Stupidity at its peak.

Sista, you cannot understand the things of GOD with a canal mind and canal understanding. You don't have to apply the courses you did at school because it will not work out just as babs787 is doing.

Have you come across a verses that says there is no spiritual or secretive interpretation of the word of God in the bible (sorry for my not putting it right but you have it in the book of Peter, I think so). When you finish deceiving yourself, let me know so I put you on track provided you are ready to accept the truth which is Islam, the religion of all the prophets/ messengers of God.

Bible said "WISDOM and Understanding come from above."

Thou shall not forget Hosea that says my people perish for lack of wisdom. I wouldnt want yours to be like hence my bringing out the truth for you to see because God said that he who sees and accept the truth, does for his own soul and who reject the truth, does so at his own risk, so I wouldnt want you to die in this your state of unbelief. Without decieving yourself, you would have read my posts in which I have been serving you verses from your book supporting my claim in which you have not been able to refute all these while.

LORD JESUS CHRIST is not Isa. HIS NAME JESUS ALONE IS MORE POWERFUL THAN PRAYER, Becasue MY FATHER IN HEAVEN made it that way HE said "Your Name is above all Names and that when we pray we should pray in the Name of JESUS said <MY FATHER IN HEAVEN.

What is his name in his native language, maybe we start from there? Was he ever known as JESUS during his time among his people because that happened not to be his language?

Stop arguing or debating the bible like babs787 because is only a blind person that can do that.

Nairalanders have seen the real bat between you and I and I dont have to be wasting my precious time debating with you. You can take a leaf from your brother Davidylan. Have you been able to nullify or provide explanations to all I have been asking you in which I reposted some and told you to choose where to argue from, but you never did but prefer going in circles and making no sense.

If you are one of those calling LORD JESUS CHRIST, isa am afraid you might embrace hellfire on the last day, you may not resurrect with the saints. I am advicing you, because I have seen and heard with proves and evidences/testimonies that TRULY LORD JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY.

Where did you see the testimonies? Is it from some of your pastors that pay some people to feign sick, lame, blind etc. What is his name in aramaic and when you provide that, we would trace it to HEBREW and lastly, was he ever called JESUS during his time?

@Davidylan

I'll carry on watching my game and looking at you bluster your way like a drowning man on a fast sinking raft.

You are not beubg sincere to yourself. You and I know that the bible is full of contradicting stories but you are tying to make the denail. Watching the game would not help but by accepting the truth that would be served if indeed you are to do away with your pride.

Would you deny your bible/christianity if I show the verses?

@May Kelly

samba123 i can't get you, Are you Jealous about LORD JESUS CHRIST? Heaven and Earth might pass away But the WORD of GOD will never. SO the WORD of GOD (LORD JESUS CHRIST) was at the begining with the FATHER even before you were formed there was and has been LORD JESUS CHRIST.

Do you really understand if they say something is with another one. Can a thing that is with another be that same thing?

@Davidylan

Please refute this and I would provide additional explanation to the word 'christ' and 'messiah' and I also noticed that you used cherub to refer to angel as 'the anointed angel' huh?

From the jewish perspective, the word "Messiah" is an English rendering of the Hebrew word " Mashiach", whose translation is "Anointed".  It usually refers to a person initiated into God's service by being anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, I Kings 1:39, II Kings 9:3).

@Davidlan


Now, what would you do if I show you contradicting verses in those two gospels?

@Redhotchic

Where exactly in the bible did they refer Christ as a non living thing? Could it be the same place you people saw the bible refer Jesus Christ as a prophet?

Get the meaning of the word 'christ' and 'messiah' first before having a discussion with me. I have provided detailed response to your brother's post below, you only need to read to acquire additional knowledge.










@Davidylan

non-living things refered to as the CHRIST?   Deception is entering an all-time low. If there were no "specialty" to that name then why did brother John say this? 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

From the jewish perspective, the word "Messiah" is an English rendering of the Hebrew word " Mashiach", whose translation is "Anointed".  It usually refers to a person initiated into God's service by being anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, I Kings 1:39, II Kings 9:3).

Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Ezekiel 28 v 14: You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones.

You were the anointed cherub that covers with overshadowing [wings], and I set you so. You were upon the holy mountain of God; you walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire [like the paved work of gleaming sapphire stone upon which the God of Israel walked on Mount Sinai]. [Exod. 24:10.]

If there is nothing attached to CHRIST why do we have an anti-christ and not an anti-Jesus? Could it be more than a title as you so demean it?

From the Bible Dictionary: Christ
A title for Jesus meaning “Messiah” or “anointed one.”

Christ is the greek word for "Messiah". That much is gospel truth.

For this is the meaning of Christ -  Christ is the English term for the Greek Χριστός (khristos) meaning "the anointed". In the (Greek) Septuagint version of the Old Testament, khristos was used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ,) (Messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed."

Do i explain again?

There are many Messiahs in the Bible.  Since every King and High Priest was anointed with oil, each may be referred to as "an anointed one". For example read: I Samuel 26:11. II Samuel 23:1, Isaiah 45:1, Psalms 20:6.

@Davidylan

There is no crime in reading the letter to theophilus is it?

Was the letter meant for you and is the letter supposed to be part of the word of God?

Brother Luke has no contradicting account to Matthew's work (except to disingenous muslims), he was old enough to be a companion to Paul which means he was old enough to have been an eyewitness to many of Christ's miracles and ministry.

Do you mean there are no contradicting account in those two gospels?

i will serve you nothing . . . thou dost not deserve it.

You would not be able because I will expose your fraud further.

@Davidylan

Bro Matthew, Dr. Luke and co did a perfect job of explaining the mystery of His birth. The miracle of the SINLESS CHRIST born of the virgin prophesied by prophet Isaiah

What account are you referring to? Do you care to share the contradicting accoung of the one,(Luke) that claimed to have received from some people and was never a witness and never under any inspiration and mind, it wasnt meant for you but for THEOPHILUS.

I would even appreciate if you could serve me the prophecy of Isaiah you mentioned up.

@Davidylan

Which Jesus is yours?

Matthew 1:16 . . . whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Matthew 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

I ask again . . . who is your own Jesus (AS)? He certainly cannot be Jesus who is called CHRIST!

For this is the meaning of Christ - Christ is the English term for the Greek Χριστός (khristos) meaning "the anointed". In the (Greek) Septuagint version of the Old Testament, khristos was used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ,) (Messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed."

Let me know when you finish getting worked up. The name 'christ' happened to be a title and no specialty attached to it. We also have in the bible where non-living things were referred to as same?

Is this "Jesus (AS)" a messiah?

David, do you really understand the two words, 'christ' and 'Al masih'/Messiah'?

Salam brother, you would need to go. That happens to be one of those things the holy prophet want us to be attending and you should remeber that you should not allow the issue betwen your parent to separate you from your siblings, its a sin and you should avoid that. Never allow family tie to break during your own time.

The holy prophet said that the prayer of one who refuses to talk to his brothers/sisters would not be answered until he make amends.

@Davidylan

No they havent. Only hypocrites pandering to islam will do such nonsense.
I suppose you should know that "begotten" has 2 meanings:

1. (esp. of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).
2. to cause; produce as an effect: a belief that power begets power

I wouldnt want to rush into explaining the meaning of the word 'begotten' hence my starting from the root so as to understand the word better.

I learnt that your sister May Kelly is never ready for a discusion hence her drifting away and would appreciate it if you could be of assistance.

She suggested that we should treat one question at a time and I started from the book of John 3 v 16 with regards to the only begotten son.

I told your sister to do a research and tell me or show me other three gospellers that used the word the only begotten son' and if none of they used that word for Jesus, do you care to profer explanation to other verses where those before Jesus were referred to as the 'only begotten son'?


Thanks

Salam

I love this:

My favarite surah are:

Surah Al Ikhas ---I read in fajar 100x after fajar prayer

surah Al Falaq---I read 3x before bedtime

Surah Al Nas ----I read 3x before bedtime

ِAyatul kurshi --- I read once before bedtime youre protected 24hrs.

When you are about to sleep at night, make ablution and after that, open your palms, recite the above Surahs 3x and rob the palm over your body and sleep on your right side. You would be protected 24hrs.

@May Kelly

oh no! now I kn truely you kn nothing about GOD and cannot understand LORD JESUS.
In your place does a goat give birth to a Cow?
CHRIST JESUS IS THE WORD AND the WORD is Wisdom.
babs787 you kn nothing so you can teach NOTHING.

Whether you like it or not: LORD JESUS CHRIST reign forever. He has witnesses here and there with evidence (testimonies) to prove that HE ALONE is the WAY to the FATHER IN HEAVEN and no other prophet(s) above or beneath the earth.

HIS NAME ALONE is POWERFUL. I pity you because you are on the wrong track and will soon realise your mistakes "Woe To Them That Refused To Accept Jesus As Their Personal Saviour"

Since you are not ready to wise up, this would serve as my last post unless you present something sensible and mature enough to warrant my responding to you.

You claimed that he is the only begotten son and I gave you verses where others claimed to have been the only begotten son as well but you couldnt explain that.

Now to test you further, do you care to supply me verses where he said he was your saviour and you should take him as one?

Ok Ma'am

@Mukina

Babs haba!

Am sure the guy just wanted to know if there were members of nafsat thats all . nothing more to it.

Ok o, so what next? The truth of it is that no muslim should differentiate a muslim society from another. We are all muslims and one. I think society should not come in when we are all muslims. I for one has a soceity I attend but at the same do attend other Islamic societies too in as much as we are one as we are all sharing the word of God.

The thread reminds me of how christians relate with one another if it comes to sects. They may all be termed christians but differentiate themselves when it comes to worship, doctrines etc and this shouldnt be introduced into Islam please.

Does that mean I should not post here if I am not a member?

@Spoilt

Ok my man, this is where you have to desist from making comments such as these.

Sorry for that sister. You as a christian must have been reading his posts and I never meant to generalise but at the same time truth must still be told. Sorry if I my post affected you as a christian.

Peace

@Electroguru

Salam and sorry for that brother. Most nairalanders had their post deleted for one reason or the other and that doesnt mean that you should ignore the site as a result of that, life goes on.

@Davidylan

"Everyone knows me" on a web forum? Why don't you people get a mat and pitch your tent here.

You are very correct that everyone knows you. Eveybody that has been folowing your post knows the kind of person you are. Keep swimming in the ocean of ignorance, pride and I pray that may it not be long before you realise the truth because you would not gain anything by dying a as christians because even jesus did not recognise anythng called CHRISTIANITY.

think d statement "any  nasfat member" is worng sry 4 my word. we shld b talking about islam not nasfat.does taht mean nonmember shld nt reply u.

I asked earlier if the thread is intended to discuss Nasfat or Islam. The poster made the thread look like some of the threads created by non-muslims to discuss their sects and doctrines only like thread for cathlics, Jehovah witness, Deeper Life, Cherubim and Seraphim etc WHEREAS it is not supposed to be.

@Islamway

Are you interested in a sincere and honest debate in order to enlighten you on what you are ignorant of with regards to my noble prophet and his marriage to Aisha?

@Davidylan

Lord be merciful unto us sinners!

Which Lord, is it the one in heaven or the one that cried, begged and shouted, 'my Lord, why has thou forsaken me"? He had to cry to the one who could save him.

@Electroguru

@ little b, i think you now understand more about Islam & I hope u'll change to d right path one day or are u a Muslim?
Sry for that ques but am jus a little bit curious

Salam brother. He is a muslim and would die as one. You need to read his posts and you would see that he is intelligent and I have learnt some things from him.

May Allah increases our knowledge and make us die as Muslims (Amin)

Tips on attaining Patience

1. If it is difficult for you to be patient, then you can sincerely supplicate to Allah (Ta'ala) to make you patient.
The Prophet (SalAllahu alayhi wasalam) said: 'Whoever seeks to be patient, Allah will make him patient
[Bukhari]. So ask Allah (Ta'ala) to make you patient.

Prophet Ayuub (alayhis salam) said to Allah (Ta'ala) in supplication:
"Verily distress has seized me,and you are the Most Merciful of all those who show mercy." [Quran 21.83]

"We found him patient; how excellent a servant! Truly he was ever turning (to God) with supplications." [Quran38.44]

If we walk towards Allah (Ta'ala), Allah will run towards us and help us.

2. Our good intentions are rewarded!!! So your good intentions to become patient will be rewarded, inshaAllah. And good intentions are very important.

"Verily, Allah (Ta'ala) has ordered that the good and the bad deeds be written down. Then He explained it clearly how (to write): He who intends to do a good deed but he does not do it, then Allah records it for him as a full good deed, but if he carries out his intention, then Allah the Exalted, writes it down for him as from ten to seven hundred folds, and even more. But if he intends to do an evil act and has not done it, then Allah writes it down with Him as a full good deed, but if he intends it and has done it, Allah writes it down as one bad deed". [Sahih al-Bukhari and Muslim]

3. If you get into something that might make you impatient then say:

"Truly to Allah we belong, and truly to Him shall we return".

"Certainly, We shall test you with fear, hunger, loss of wealth, lives and fruits; but give glad tidings to the patient - those who, when afflicted with calamity say, "Truly to Allah we belong, and truly to Him shall we return." it is those who will be awarded blessings and mercy from their Lord; and it is those who are the guided ones" [Quran 2:155-157]

4. Try to do deeds that Allah (Ta'ala) loves. Basically any good islamic practices that will allow you to get closer to Allah (Ta'ala), and this will change your overall character, and therefore, patience, inshaAllah.
Dhikr might help you. Dhikr means to remember God. And for that,we repeat phrases of worships such as: "La ilaha ill-Allah" (There is no deity worthy of worship, but Allah (Ta'ala), "Astaghfirullah" (I seek the forgiveness of Allah), etc.

5. Always keep in mind the reward for the patient ones,it will allow you to keep striving. The reward is immense as Allah (Ta'ala) says

Say: "O ye my servants who believe! Fear your Lord: good is (the reward) for those who do good in this world. Spacious is Allah's earth! Those who patiently persevere will truly receive a reward without measure!"
[39:10]

6.If something annoys you, remember this hadith:

Abu Saeed al-Khudri (radiAllahu anhu) reported that the Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) said:

"A Muslim is not afflicted by hardship, sickness, sadness, worry, harm, or depression - even if pricked by a thorn, but Allah expiates his sins because of that." [Sahih al-Bukhari and Muslim]

Aishah (radiAllahu anha) narrated that once some pain afflicted the Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) causing him to suffer and turn about in his bed. she said:

"Had one of us done this, you would have blamed him." He (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) replied:

"An ailment is intensified for the righteous. whenever a believer is afflicted by a hardship, whether it is a thorn or more, a sin is taken off from him because of it, and he is elevated by one rank (in Jannah) [i.e. in Paradise ]."
[Ahmad]

7. You can always try to fast if you think it could help you. If being patient is difficult to achieve, then try to fast if you are able too. The reward for fasting is IMMENSE.

Fasting will allow you to focus on pleasing Allah (Ta'ala), so you will more likely become patient. If you have never fasted before, the first fast might be a little difficult, but then it will be easy, and Allah (Ta'ala) will help you. Remember that for every effort that you make to become patient, you will be rewarded, inshaAllah.

8.The lack of patience will not change things around you,on the contrary it will only worsen things if you are impatient, so it will make you more sad. If you realize that it will only further your anguish, then it will help you strive to be patient. Just think of the time when you were impatient, the bad feeling you had, then think to yourself "Do I want to feel like that again?"

Finally, thinking of the reward will always keep you striving.

@May Kelly

What are you talking about. Abraham had Isaac his only loved son and to him Isaac was the only begotten to him. As well we all claimed to be sons of GOD but the only begotten sons(both agender) are those who have repented from their sins and are begotten by GOD.

But LORD JESUS CHRIST IS WORD OF GOD, that was with GOD before creation and the same WORD was sent down by GOD (FATHER) for the redemption of the sins of the world hence Abraham in those days used to sacrifice animals to GOD for washing/cleansing of their sins.

Now tell me, for instance a man with 25 wives with millions of children (you will understand this better because your are a man and the type that can take to yourself 30 wives because is a plus to your re.li.gion) oh sorry if I have offended you, so as I was saying, tell me the number of Rams, goats or even if you decide to use Chicken, how many will you Slaughter in a week or daily for the cleansing of their sin ( or are you going to tell me that they are sinless)

Oh! my dear babs787, when will you ever ask for understanding from GOD? and stop contradicting statements and words by words.

You yourself and nairalanders would have seen that your post is not worth responding to and you are not ready for a matured discussion.

You claimed that JESUS HAPPENED TO BE THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON and I serded you verses where we have others claiming to have been begotten by same God, some even claiming to be first born and here you deceived yourself into believing that Jesus is the only begotten son.

To educate you more, if they say someone is the ONLY begotten son, it means there has never been anybody before him and there would be nobody after him. But here, we read about those that were begotten before Jesus but all you could do was beat about the bush in search for explanation to the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.

If you have not been decieving yourself, you would read my serving you from the book pf Psalms where God told David that he was his begotten son.

I gave you simple work then to browse through the other three books of the gospellers and you would never see anything like the only begotten son EXCEPT IN ALL THE BOOKS OF JOHn and he used that to preach so that you would believe him.

If you ready to learn, I will surely educate you and not this your childish approach to issues.

@Troynow

The bible says ' do not cast your goodly pearls to the dogs' and ' do not put new wine in OLD wineskin'. My explanatiom will NOT convince u. Islam wil lead u to hell. You need Jesus. Dont let satan deceive u. Jesus wil save u from your sins. Cheers.

Point of correction, Jesus can never save me because he couldnt save himself but had to cry and begged the one that could save him from death.

Muslims already have Jesus and follow his teachings and not the cooked up story from those that never saw him and contradicted themselves. Jesus was never a christian but a muslim. So the ball is in your court before its too late.

@Lady

See this is why I say you don't understand the concept of the Trinity. You think that it was introduced after the death of Jesus.

Do you care to show me where it was introduced before Jesus?

I can't believe you even suggested I try to find the word Trinity in the Bible. You should know better now. Use that with the Protestants, not the Catholics.
But the concept of Trinity is in the Bible.

Do you mind giving me the concepts?

Like I said I will show you passages in the Bible, but if you understand the concept and true essence of Trinity you will see that the passages you wish to quote for me doesn't contradict the Trinity concept.

I for one, would be willing to have the concepts from the bible and we examine the so called concepts together.

But I did say it will be a long write up.

Try to reduce it for me to be able to reply on time.

I have to go pray now and study. I have three exams next week, two of them on monday, so no fun for me this weekend.

Best of luck

But I will start the write up next week. I was reading the catechism this morning and I was directed to the Trinity, but particularly the profession of the Christian faith.
I think I'll write that up for you, so that you may see the full picture of it. But it will be full of passages, and even those you wish to cite for me.

Ok, looking forward to reading from you.

Do you care to supply the facts?

You are welcome sister

Are you planning a football team?
Endeavor to call me when the time comes too