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@jeshua

it sure means you didnt read them at all. I like that word reversion, but there was never any time you were a christian (go back and read my post). you went to a missionary school, fine but you didnt have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ.

Honestly you are having real problem with that. If you dont know I was part and a strong member while I was a christian. I told you that I was a christian,born as a christian by christian parents etc, so if you dont believe its your problem, why dont you ask some christians that are claiming to have converted. Did you read any post of muslims having problems with Shahan, but it seems it pains you when you learn that someone has left your darkness called religion.


i have read some of your post, prophecy and the rest, you don't seem to know very well the issues you were pointing out. there is a law that is called-continuos revelation-it says everything must beread together and adjudged together. the bible can't be read in parts and so conclude that you know the whole story-it is not nigerian movies where you can calculate the whole event from the word go.

Havent I been giving you verses in which you yourself have not come across? Didnt a fellow christian like you challenged you. Why must you cover truth with falsehood. I decided to lay most of the thread to rest but if you still want to continue, nothing moves babs, it is okay by me. If you are not contented with that, I can as well give you failed prophecy in your OT and you will read from the beginning and tell me your understanding of the verses.


I AM NOT HAVING A DEBATE YOU CALL- MUSLIM-CHRISTIAN DEBATE.
Over what? I don't know.

I thought you are the new professor or the most knowledgeable of them all. I can see that you surfaced when most of the threads have been laid to rest but if you are ready for a fresh start, babs is ready too. If you are not for debate then, why are you here?


I understand you better now. but I am sorry to dissapoint you: NOBODY IS BORN A CHRISTIAN, WE BECOME "CHRISTIANS BY ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST AS LORD AND SAVIOUR. God doesnt have a grandchild, al who have been regenrated are sons and daughters of God through Christ Jesus.

This man doesnt know anything. I had Jesus as my lord and saviour, received your so called Holy spirit, I go about preaching the word of God etc but through my quest for knowledge, I got to know that all the doctrines preached are lies and most of the so called attributes have been shared by some pagans and were input into the bible in order to create special attribute for Jesus. I dont want to go further into that, I have posted many threads on falsehood preached in christianity and the last thread is on crucifixion which you all coudnt defend. I got to know further that all the prophets came with one religion and one message. So you cant accept a prophet and deny the other. As for Jesus, you only need to grab the Quran and compare the story of Jesus to that of the Bible. Gwet yourself a Quran, read for yourself and you will learn that Islam has been misunderstood. I rest my case here.

I f you were born by a Pastor and you lived and die in the Church without Christ jesus as Lord and saviour, you are sure going to hell.
For you to say my response will determine if you go back to my post shows, you JUST WANT PEOPLE TO READ YOUR POST BUT YOU ACTUALLY DONT READ THEIR RESPONSES.

I had Jesus then, but realised that the Jesus I have now is the real Jesus. Christianity are committing grievous sin and unless they accept the last prophet and the last book, no paradise. On that day, Jesus will deny you because you are not a jew, he wasnt sent to you. I wonder where you will be on that, when all those prophets will gather their community and Jesus gathers the Jews including the twelve tribes. Muslims believe in Jesus, respect him so much and name a chapter after his mother. I am  not here to preach to you but to let you know that you cannot put wool over me. Gone are those days when babs was deceived, but now, I can tell you that TRUTH STANDS OUT FROM FALSEHOOD. Let me rest my case here.


For you to say my response will determine if you go back to my post shows, you JUST WANT PEOPLE TO READ YOUR POST BUT YOU ACTUALLY DONT READ THEIR RESPONSES


Let me clarify my statement if you do not understand.  I dont indulge in any debate in order to win but simply for the benefit of those that will check this website after I might have died or occupied with something else. I went through your post but learnt that you failed in addressing the issues, you went beating about the bush and saying nothing at the end and I decided to let the thread be hence my telling you to wait till after champions league final but you thought that I post in order for people to read, far from that brother. When you posted that thread, I didnt say anything but told you to wait, but in my post today, I told you that If you wanted my rebuttal that you should made it known. Of course you should know that falsehood cant overcome truth, if you need my response to your post, I can equally provide reply and let us see that there is no certain or sure way of getting salvation in christianity, most verses contradicted each other. So if you need my comment on that, I will surely provide but on your request.


I don't have to continue this-
I have final word for you- REVELTAIONS 22:11-15

As regards your post above, you should examine yourself. Funny enough, I have some verses in your book of revelation that you will need to explain and after that we will explore the books of John (all his books).

Cheers  

Jeshua

Arent you a man? Common be specific. Hit the nail on the head

@nossycheeks


You have really provided detailed answers. Na wa for christianity as a religion.

@jeshua

I dont have time to read all that, I have lots to do than sitting and reading lenghty posts.

Did you read it at all? okay in simple words- LET GOD DEFEND HIMSELF, AND DONT TRY AND FIGHT FOR HIM.

Is your response above for me or for your christian folks?

Dont worry, your yeye cheksie has just started falling. It will soon fall into pieces.

@jeshua

I can see that you are really having problem with my reversion, Is my reversion not justifiable, I have been giving you ssues in christianty. When you are ready, let me know the area you and when there is going to be a Muslim-Christian debate, I will let you know so that you can pertake in it. If you care to know, I was born and bred as a christian, went to missionary school, lived in christian community. So its your world if you dont believe me.

If I have disappointed me, its ok by me.

When pilgrims started this thread asking questions, I provided enough verses on salvation in Islam.

I asked your brother questions, read his response

I didn't know my post was spurious. My answer to your question(s

#1. I do not believe Muhammad was a prophet sent by the same God revealed to the Biblical prophets.

#2. I do actually believe that there is a Creator who is called 'Allah' in arabic; but as far as identities are concerned, the 'allah' of Islam is not the same God revealed to the Biblical prophets.


The above shows that there is no way I can convince him since he is already determined or make up his mind never to believe in my prophet let alone believing in chapters or verses from the same book.

As for your post on salvation, do you need my rebuttal? Your response will dertermine if I will have to go back to your post or not.

@Jeshua

What is the moral behind your story? I want to know

Dont worry, you will fall or lose daewooly this weekend too

Sorry chelsea

We need to open condolence register for Chelsea and Disunited mAN U

You be pussy-eater?

@topic

None of the above

See Kidney pool again. Dont ever think that you will beat them this time. You will be disgraced just like the yeye premiership leader Disunited Man U but you will not concede much goals like that disgracing team.

See yeye cheksi fan's mouth. Its full of lies, just like murinho, tey too dey brag.

Mustay, why not decamp and leave that pattern-less, styless, club of yours.

Give it to Man United and stop wasting our time

2 viee

You are right o. Man Disunited couldnt be located on field yesterday. It was Ac Milan' day last night. They took total control of the pitch, taught Man Disunited a big lesson. How could premiership giant fell to that extent.


Man Disunited is a big disgrace to England clubs. Even cheksie still tried, they got to the penatly stage but this Disunited lacked everything

See all these bad belle cheksie fans. Like coach like fans. Little wonder you are being humilated here and there. Bolton you fit beat them and you wan come beat arsenal wey you didnt beat at yeye collapsing bridge.

As far as champions league is concered, we still be your master.

Hey Man U., Liverpool, keep off pls

@mukina

Leave them, let them support us, you know that we beat both at home and away this season. So no prb, you are allowed

@9ja4eva

I know you want us to beat that foul-mouthed cheksie. Dont worry we will beat them but its left for you to beat Man City.

@stimulus

Thank you; but I'm not surprised you're once again beginning to chant the 'conversion by force' slogan in Islam. Now, whether the sky falls down or not, stimulus is a sensible Christian who loves to see people come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ without the use of militant force.


I will give you just two verses in response to your post above

Quran 3 v 85: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter, he will be in the ranks of those who have lost.

Quran 3 v 91;Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam. Those who were given the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, signs, revelations etc) of Allah, then surely, Allah is swift in caling to account.

@9ja4eva & lalaboi

Both of you are not even ashamed of yourselves, two leading premiship giants falling just like that

Yeye cheksie and Man Disunited

@stimulus


Actually, one doesn't have to be a Muslim in order to engage in dialogue, debate or disucssion of sorts. I believe that one of the reasons for a Forum like this is to set out the misconceptions of discussants who counter-argue issues with others. How is one going to ever know anything new if you engage them in a public Forum and then at the same time decline from offering them answers to what you believe they don't know?


You are right that one needs not be a Muslim in order to engage in dialogue or debate but as for me, I dont believe in fruitless debate. Dont you think that it will be an endless debate because at the end of the day you will stick to your belief regardless of the facts being tendered? You are already inclined to your belief and doesnt belief in any other prophet and book aside Jesus and Bible, so arguing with you will be a sheer waste of time. If you or other christians want to know about my belief as regards salvation, I have provided enough verses up, you only need to read them. As for salvation in christianity, I didnt want to push further because you have told me that you dont belive in my prophet and Allah, so to be candid with you, I wont indulge in debate with anyone that doesnt believe in my God and at the end of the day heaps insult on my God.


It might be interesting to view your list, though; perhaps it might add to what I thought I already know. However, if you still decline, then all the best and cheers.


You are not ready to know more than what you have already known. So if you believe that christianity, bible or jesus is the only way to salvation, good luck, so be it.


There

@stimulus

So you are a coward.

I am still looking for hugoboi o. Did anybody see him

Where is Dr Dre too? hope he is taking good care of all those patients

@phemm

You will always have something to say. So it was the rain that caused your defeat huh.

If the rain caused the two goals in the first half, what of the 3rd scored in second half, was it caused by rain too?

Man. Disunited


@9ja4eva

See, you cheksie never reach final stage for your life. We Gunners be your papa as far as champions league is concerned.

Yeye cheksie

By the way, are you both just returning from hospital?

@stimulus

Which team do you belong? Hope its not Arsenal. As for your boss, he go em em this weekend, we gunners will make Sunday unbearable for him. I know that he is a muslim but never mind, we are not talking religion now but football, tel him to join Arsenal cos their humiliation has just started o and I learnt that there are many casualties as at yesterday. Yesterday was spent in treating cheksi fans while today is being spent in treating United fans. More cheksi fans will be treated on Sunday, I just pray make e no include that your cheksi boss.

I have not heard from buluti since his team crashed out yesterday, hope he is not also receiving treatment?

Cheers.

@stimulus


I didn't know my post was spurious. My answer to your question(s

#1. I do not believe Muhammad was a prophet sent by the same God revealed to the Biblical prophets.

#2. I do actually believe that there is a Creator who is called 'Allah' in arabic; but as far as identities are concerned, the 'allah' of Islam is not the same God revealed to the Biblical prophets.


Based on your above response, there is no need for me arguing back and forth with you since you are already inclined to your belief. If you had believed, I would told you the number of prophets and Messengers sent, those that were Israelites and those that were Arabs. Also I would have given you list of some prophets sent to their community but wont do that since you are not ready to learn and update your knowledge.

Good luck and may it not be too long in realising the truth.

@stimulus


Funny how you are trying to draw the attention of an atheist to the issue at hand. Why not keep silent if you have nothing to offer. Go over to the links above and honestly tell me your view.

Gunners 4 life

@stimulus


I decide to reply according to your bible. When dont you remove the log in your eyes before removing the speck on your brother's eyes? Why are you being dishonest to yourself? You brought out threads where Muslims condemned christian, why dont you go to the links below and tell me your view. Bring out threads or posts where Muslims insulted Jesus and I will bring you three posts for every post or allegation brought against muslims here on nairaland.


#1. Jesus Vs. Prophecy
Excerpt: "I came across some prophesies of God Jesus which I decide to put across to my
christian friends to assist in explaining to me because the Jesus is my book is never a liar"
[so, by implication, is the Jesus in the Bible a liar?]

#2. O Worshippers of The Messiah, We Have A Question
Excerpt: "Then he emerged from the vagina as a tiny baby, opening his mouth and seeking the breast, . ."
[that is how they ask "A Question" and expect Christians to respond, yes?]

#3. Was Jesus Sent To The Whole World Or Prophet Muhammad
Excerpt: "This topic has led many lazy Muslims at the crossroads, being easily deceived
by the so called Christians with their man-made religion (Pauline Christianity). . ."

Besides "starting" topics, how many posts by muslims can you assure us have not been posted to deliberately defame Christ and Christianity?


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-49728.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-48474.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-48711.0.html

@spicie


Pls leave them alone, I am very aware of those sites and their authors. Thats where most of them lift their false allegations from which had been debunked in some many ways. I am not even bothered, they can lift from any site and be rest assured that they would be debunked.


@stimulus

I learnt that you cannot put up any debate without insulting my God and prophet. It has become christians' problem here on nairaland that whenever any issue is being discussed, they quickly divert to Muhammed. I can see that He is really your problem and whether you like it not, nothing for you unless you accept him. Islam is the only religion whether you like it or not.


@davidylan


It has become your nature to always go other way when issues are being discussed. Keep wallowing in your ignorance.

Peace

Devil again?