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@Gwaine


Me, I really don't know why the Catholics use the  apocrypha along with the Bible. At least, informed people know that those 14 books are not regarded as the "Bible", but they stand alone as the "apocrypha."

Where did the apocrypha come from?



Now, in fair exchange, can you tell me why every Muslim today uses the Qur'an whose TORAH and INJIL are LOST?? It is not now a question of addition or subtraction; but rather of entire books that cannot be found!! They just simply disappeared, and the same Muslims who make that claim have not been able to tell us WHEN and HOW exactly this great loss happened! Boy, that simply leaves me dazed beyond words!


Stil the same question, are you saying the Gospel in existence is the same as the one given to Jesus?



As for the Muslims who read the Torah and Injil of the Bible, you're free to do so. But a note of caution: since the Torah and Injil of the Qur'an are confirmed lost by your clever apologists, don't go cheating around by trying to find Muhammad in Deuteronomy 18 or John 14 & 16. Any rascally development in this regard will be taken care of promptly!

Going round in circles and making no sense. Please is the Gospel today the same as the one given to Jesus?

@Gwaine

Repeat process of another thread by you.  

Simply paste your plagiarized articles (leave us the link as well); tell us your concerns; or better still, the errand you're running for your crowd, and we'll have a message or two for them.

Greet them. . . from Gwaine.


You are still here crying, you can see your dishonesty. You never cried when your sister created some threads but here you are crying at babs ' thread. You should please supply the link if you have it, empty barrel. You are here talking to babs when your people are doing same. I dont even have anything to say to you, do whatever you have to and stop sounding frustrated.

@Gwaine


Since your intelligence is so weak, you'd predictably have to borrow quips from us.
After you're done wailing, seek out your adulators to pat your skull in consolation; and then you'll dry your eyes to read from me.

Don't get so frightened - I don't bite. I simply chew ignoramuses and spit them out!

Do I need to answer you again? Honestly, I am tired of your threats, do whatever you have to and stop crying, frustrated guy .

Thats my worry too. They have been telling me that Jesus is God and I have been asking them questions on their sayings but rather than provide answers, they claimed that babs is deriding their faith. I wonder why would asking questions on someone doctrines turned to another thing. If they dont want questions to be asked, they should stop saying it rather being unable to defend same

@Gwaine


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@babs787,

The tout-park where you grew up is of no interest to me presently. You can't play that silly game of reharshing debates with me so you can fill up the threads with your drivels and plagiarized materials. After having categorically proclaimed that the TORAH and INJIL of the Qur'an are LOST, you're trying to reharsh that argument in your usual pretences. Sorry, it won't work with me; and the plain truth about Muhammad and Islam is what you'll get soon.  


You are still here  crying. Thats the normal response of a frustrated guy . You know that babs grew up in Motor park and you are talking to him, dont you know that you have also turned to tout?

Brother if you dont want to reason, my question goes again:

Do we say the bible in existence is the same as the one given to Jesus?

Professor/Deacon/Pope Gwain am tired of your empty thread , do whatever you want to do jare and let's hear word.

@Gwaine


Quit begging - that's for kids. Since you're deaf to n-ago-2007's appeal up there, you'll soon get to know the plain truth about Muhammad and Islam!


Begging who, you? You are not serious.
I am tired of your cry, please do whatever you want to do. You should read your posts before accusing me of same and I dont give a damn about who you may be.

@Gwaine


Okay, babs. You predictably have pushed your luck. Since caution is a strange word to you, then you're inviting it's raw meaning on the other end. The self-appointed authority you think you have arrogated to yourself to demand that people chase your roundabout illiteracy is going to be well-fed; so just enjoy the interlude only as time-out to allow you prepare for your worst nightmares.

You don't mess with Gwaine!


I will be here waiting for you when you are through with your noise. Thats what a frustrated man like you deserve, bursting into thread, not cautioning your folks and started acting stupidly





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One more word of appeal:

To the Admin: please just bear with me until after I've served babs787 his own plain truth about Muhammad and Islam. I do not mind being banned thereafter; but just leave me alone for the meantime to sanitize his rascality.

I am here bros, be prepared for more shocking truths about Jesus, your bible and your doctrines.



To the "politically correct Christians": please I don't want anyone raising any objections when I begin. Got worries? Just simply ignore my posts to babs787 and read magazines instead!

Abeg you too dey talk, serve me please. Thats whats your type deserve for acting stupidly.

@Gwaine


Since you have been craftily dodging the questions on Islam's disguised polytheim, be ready for your worst nightmares.

You don't mess with Gwaine!

Empty barrel, babs has never been and will never be. Read up and grab the topic for this thread. The thread is on Jesus being God and babs asked your brother some questions which he ignored and the same question is being posed at you again, rather than answer, you started issuing empty threat, you may cry from now till tomorrow. If you want babs to answer your questions on the issue of 'we', please create a thread and be rest assured that babs will respond.

I need explanation on the verses below


1. has anybody ascended to heaven?

a. john 3 v 13: no one has ascended into heaven but he who descended from heaven, the son of man.

b. 2nd kings 2 v 11: and as they still went on and talked, behold, a chariot of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.


2. who’s son is Joseph?

a. Mathew 1 v 16: and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.


b . Luke 3 v 23: Jesus when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli.



3.
i.how many did David kill
ii. was it 40,000 horsemen or footsoldiers?
iii. what is the name of their commander?

a. 2nd sam 10 v 18: and the Syrians fled before Israel and David slew of the Syrians the men of 700 chariots and 40,000 horsemen and wounded Shobach the commander of their army so that he died there.

b. 1st chronicle 19 v 18: and the Syrians fled before Israel and David slew of the Syrians the men of 7000 chariots and 40,000 foot soldiers and killed also Shopach the commander of their army.



4. has anybody seen God?

a. john 1 v 18: no one has ever seen God, only son, who is in the bssom of the father, he has made him known.

b. 1st timothy 6 v 16: who alone has immortality and dwells in unaspproachable light, whom no man has ever seen or can see.

c. Exodus 33 v 20: and he (God) said, ‘thou canot see my face for there shall no man see me and live


d. Exodus 33 v 11: and the Lord spake unto Moses face to facwe, as a man speaketh unto his friend.


e. Genesis 32 v 30: and Jacob called the name of the place Pencel, for I have seen God face to face and my life is preserved.

And as a special favour, God shows his back parts to Moses

Exodus 33 v 23: and I (God) will take away my hands and thou shalt see my bark parts….

Is the first letter to the Corinthians really the first letter to them?


Thank you

Is the first letter to the Corinthians really the first letter to them?


Thank you

John 3 v 16: For Gos so love the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him will not persih but have everlasting life



1. Is the above statement spoken by John or God

2. Is Jesus really the only begotten son of God?

3. Was Jesus 'begotten' or 'made' by God?


Thank you

2nd Timothy 3 v 16-17: all scriptures is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that th man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


Does the above holds for all verses in the bible?

@Gwaine


Too bad if you consider me shouting - that's what illiterates do, especially of your kind. I've tried to be consistent in my style - and you will see it in the next few weeks as much as you can take. I often start by offering that people discuss; if they cannot and must exhibit their rascality, then and only then do I serve them what they're asking for!

I am an illiterate and that is the more reason I am here to learn from useless professor like you that burst into thread and start behaving stupidly. I dont care who you are, feel free the door is opened and stop this your stupid threat. You should know that respect beget respect when you burst into nairaland and start saying all sort of things to babs.



How many threads has stimulus opened? Just one (1) and you're over-reacting like an intoxicated night-crawler. Just because you were exposed for your hypocrisy, doublespeak and the fact that you're a total stranger to truth, you're sobbing with all these excuses that haven't cured the bad knocks you took.

You can see your problem, go to that thread and debunk or continue from where he stopped. He is confused himself and you do say, you will also see hell by the time I start with you. Just because I exposed your falsehood, you started misbehaving. As I do say, nothing moves babs, you are free to continue with your thread, typical of an empty barrel. You are here shouting that babs has been deriding your faith, where have you been when your folks started it all. We shall soon as proceed who has been double speaking and a total stranger to the truth. How many of your falsehood have I debunked? You have been asking muslims questions and none of them shouted that you are deriding their faith but when the same is meted to you, you go about shouting that babs is deriding your faith. Besides, you are free to defend your false doctrines you have been preaching and if you dont want questions to be asked, you stop preaching same.



You can cry and call me whatever you like - your religious tribe is known for taking hard knocks and fainting in convulsive fits! But sobbing here with all this drama is not going to help you. You simply don't mess with Gwaine!

We are seeing who has been crying. Havent you been crying that babs has been deriding your faith and that is what you receive when you insult other's faith. So the thread is opened, you are free to continue with your threat.


You simply don't mess with Gwaine!


I dont care who you are.You can go on with your empty thread, empty barrel. It seems my exposing your falsehood stung you like a bee, so you are free to cry and let me remind, when you are ready to cry, please tell me and I will give you a big bowl.

If you care for debate, set the ball rolling. Babs is not ready to respect your faith until you do same.

@noisycheeks


Far from that, I am not perturbed. Am just worried about this your brother who has been threatening all these while. He never knew that nothing moves babs

@Gwaine



If you have no answers to my questions, don't take a heart attack for not being able to read like an adult.

Brother, you may cry from now till tomorrow. I have answers but your brothers denied the prophethood of Solomon, job etc so you need to answer that before posing your problem.


"Now, this issue about being a prophet. . . I really would like to know what exactly is a prophet in Islamic thinking. A few sub-questions:"

Am I a Muslim to provide answers for Islamic thinking?

Trying to draw me out in your usual unending illiterate arguments will not work with me.


It is not like that huh, your brother said that job, solomon etc are not prophets and am asking you now to answer on their behalf, since you have decided to bear their burden with your empty threat.

When you are through with that, I provide answer to your senseless questions and you will stop barking like a dog.

@Noisycheeks



AL-BAQARA 193
And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

The above was revealed during the wars fought by the prophet.


AT-TAWBA 29
Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Same as above. Ponder over the highlighted words.




Muslims emphatically insist that the Jihad, or Holy War, was only a means of defence and was never used as an offensive act but available facts from the qur'an shows that it is often used in the offensive rather than defensive.

Okay lets see as we read on


The materialistic purpose.

Let us investigate how this claim is supported by the actual facts of history.


"Jihad is one of the chief meritorious acts in the eye of Islam -- and it is the best source of earnings, but it shall be undertaken with the intention of self-defence." "Mishkat" II, page 340 - explanatory note).
One could also call it robbery in self-defence, if there is such a thing. [/color]

Can you please explain the above?


"The Holy Quran strictly prohibited conversion by force, saying:
'There is no compulsion in religion' (Sura 2:256)" (ibid).
This is reasonable - though one would, perhaps, object to war as a means of income. This income, no doubt, is at the expense of someone's livelihood. But let us look at Muslim warfare in practice:

Lets read on:


"When an infidel's country is conquered (in self-defence?) by a Muslim ruler, its inhabitants are offered three alternatives:

The reception of Islam, in which case the conquered became enfranchised citizens of the Muslim state;
The payment of a poll-tax (Jazyah) by which unbelievers in Islam obtained "protection" and become Zimmis, provided they were not idolaters (of Arabia);

Were they forced to become muslims?



", Kill those who join other gods with Allah wherever you find them; besiege them, seize them, lay in wait for them with every kind of ambush, "(Sura 9:5). The above was revealed during the wars fought by the Prophet.



"When you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads, until ye have made a great slaughter among them, "(Sura 47:4).

Sister, what does the word, ‘encounter’ mean to you?



", Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in Allah, or in the Last Day, and who forbid not what Allah and His Apostle have forbidden, until they pay tribute, " (Sura 9:29).


Since you claimed that wars are for income, can you please explain tell me why did the OT  prophets fought?


"Say to the infidels: If they desist, what is now past shall be forgiven them; but if they return, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it Allah's." (Sura 8:39).


Sister, can you please tell me the cause of the war?


"Proclaim a grievious penalty to those who reject faith." (Sura 9:3).

Same as above


All of the above texts are contradicted by:

"There is no compulsion in religion".
From the Hadayah (II, page 140) we learn with regard to the Jihad, that:


Really? It showed your level of ignorance. Am asking you again and maybe your brother Gwaine can assist, what started the war please?



"To whichever village you go and settle therein, there is your share therein, and whichever village disobeys Allah and His Messenger, its one-fifth is for Allah and His Messenger and the remainder is for you." ("Mishkat" II, page 412).
"In the actual war-field in the midst of hostilities, some concessions were sometimes given to soldiers for recreation. Captive virgin girls in war were once made lawful for the soldiers for copulation. "(ibid. page 440 and "Sahih Muslim" II, pages 705-707).


Since you are here for mischief, please explain the below verses, one on booty and the second is one killing :

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst.  And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.   (Zechariah 14:1-2)

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Numbers 31:17-18)



What is right today cannot be wrong tomorrow, otherwise we have an example of situational ethics.

To an objective observer the following picture emerges: interest in material gain was as important as the making of converts One cannot help feeling that the Holy War was a pretence to make booty and receive continuing taxes. This must have persuaded many a man to join the Holy War and thus to become a mercenary. This interest no doubt gave enormous political and military momentum to the cause of Muhammad. Each warrior had a right to the belongings of the man he had slain, and could sell for ransom any prisoner he had made. Women and children were also reckoned as booty and a Muslim saw no moral irregularity in taking married woman prisoners as concubines as long as they were not pregnant. He would also have his share of the combined booty, of which; however, one-fifth belonged to Muhammad (and in the case of no fight taking place, it belonged to him totally). We are aware, however, that Muhammad never lived an extravagant life or hoarded goods. On the contrary, he was most generous in every aspect, particularly to the poor, to orphans and to widows.

Taxes could be very harsh indeed as in the case of the defeated Jews who lived in Khaiber. They

"were allowed to stay in Khaiber on condition that they would pay half the produce of their lands to the Holy Prophet and in addition Jazyah tax". ("Mishkat" II, page 455, footnote).

Since you are inclined to your falsehood, can you please explain the verses in the bible

2 Chronicles 15:13:All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.  


"After the Battle of Badr, the verse dealing with the booties was first revealed. The verse introduced the rule for the first time that the spoils of war would be the property of the soldiers who actually take part in the battle, THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS why the soldiers of Islam fought tooth and nail. They would get Paradise in case of death in a Holy War, and booties in the case of CONQUEST. Jihad is therefore the best source of all acquisitions." ("Mishkat" II, page 406, explanatory note).

Jihad "is the best method of earning both spiritual and temporal. If victory is won, there is enormous booty and (sic) CONQUEST of a country, which cannot be equal to any other source of earnings."


Please explain the verses below

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst.  And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.   (Zechariah 14:1-2)

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Numbers 31:17-18)


Please Gwain and Noisycheeks, how are they going to know virgins?



In the battle of Muraisi with Banu Mustalig, the booties gained were nearly 200 camels and 5 000 goats. In the campaign of Hunain, the booties that fell to the hands of the Muslims were 24 000 sheep, 4 000 silver coins and innumerable camels. In the Battle of Badr and Uhud, the booties were also great.


There is little wonder that a poem ascribed to Ali ibn Abi Talib, reads thus:

"Our flowers are the sword and the dagger:
Narcissus and myrtle are nought.
Our drink is the blood of our foeman;
Our goblet his skull, when we've fought."


You failed in reading your bible first before accusing the Quran. Please explain the below verses to me:

Numbers 31:7,17-18: ""They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man, Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  

How will they know virgins and why did they kill boys and women?


Deuteronomy 20:16: However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

Including animals, innocent children etc. This Christian God is really merciful?


The following are a few of the Medinan passages which refer to jihad as military struggle in the Qur’an:

Sanction is given unto those who fight because they have been wronged,  (22:39; cf. 22:39-41)[6]

The (true) believers are those only who believe in Allah and His messenger and afterward doubt not, but strive with their wealth and their lives for the cause of Allah. Such are the sincere. (49:15; 22:78; 25:52)

Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.


Please why did the OT prophets fight?



But in many cases, they act as offensives

And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers.

The forbidden month for the forbidden month, and forbidden things in retaliation. And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil).

Spend your wealth for the cause of Allah,  (2:190-195; cf. 2:216-218; 2:244; 8:38-40; 8:65,66; 4:84; 5:33-35; 61:4)


When you are through, please provide explanation to the below verses:

Deuteronomy 2 v 32-37 : And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us.

Please why did they kill including the little innocent ones?


Deuteronomy 3 v 1-7: 1 Then we turned, and went up the way to Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the LORD said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. 3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. 7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves


Why did they kill women and children and why were the cattle and the spoil of the cities taken as prey? Over to you Gwain and Noisycheeks



Deuteronomy 7 v 1-6: When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them: 3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. 4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. 5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. 6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth

Can you please tell me why the above happened?


Numbers 25 v 17: Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them,
18 because they treated you as enemies when they deceived you in the affair of Peor and their sister Cozbi, the daughter of a Midianite leader, the woman who was killed when the plague came as a result of Peor."


But why did they treat Midianites as enemies and even killed them? I think your God is love and peaceful?




Numbers 31 v 7-12: 7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

please why the killings? did you see spoil of war being taken there? disgusting story, God is really peaceful.



Of course, that is what Osama bin Laden is currently doing.

Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the religion of truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

And yet, there is no compulsion in Islam

And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they! (9:29,30)

O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey’s end. (9:73)

O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). (9:123)

As for Jihad’s motivation and benefits:

O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom?

You should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know.

He will forgive you your sins and bring you into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, and pleasant dwellings in Gardens of Eden. That is the supreme triumph.

And (He will give you) another blessing which ye love: help from Allah and present victory. Give good tidings (O Muhammad) to believers. (61:10-13; cf. 9:19-22; 9:111; 2:154; 2:243-245; 47:4-6; 3:195)

,  Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than those who sit (at home). (4:95)

@babs

are these not from the qur'an?

I rest my case.
C-o-u-r-t----


When you are through, please explain the below verses:

1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

Why did they kill woman, infant, sucking, oxen, sheep, camel and ass/ please for what purpose and did those animals and the innocent children offend God?


Ezekiel 21 v 3 ¨and say to her: 'This is what the LORD says: I am against you. I will draw my sword from its scabbard and cut off from you both the righteous and the wicked.[/b]4 Because I am [b]going to cut off the righteous and the wicked, my sword will be unsheathed against everyone from south to north. 5 Then all people will know that I the LORD have drawn my sword from its scabbard; it will not return again.'

Why did God kill the righteous along with the wicked?


Deuteronomy 20:13-14
'13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:  
14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.  

Did you see that? Please you need to call the attention of your brother that has been making noise all these while. Read below again,

But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

So God gave them the spoil of their enemies to eat, oh no God is really peaceful and loving. His case is even worst than Osama.

Please provide explanation to the above verses and your brother Gwain may assist too.


Numbers 31:17-18 "Now kill all the boys . And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."


Please what did the boys, women do and why the remainder of virgins?





@Gwaine

Relax, babs787; this is no threat at all. My concern here is simple: discuss if you have to; but your games and deliberate calumny of Christianity will no longer be tolerated! Try pushing your luck, and no task force from any Sharia State will be able to rescue your remains!

It is your problem not mine, you may bark till tomorrow, babs doesn’t care. Anyway you want it, babs is equally ready and stop this your cry as if being stung by a bee.

You can please assist your sister up.

@Gwaine


Infact, I'm beginning to wonder what exactly is the guarantee of salvation (or any other "promise" in Islam. What is the basis of such a guarantee, if any?

A few more of my concerns in addition to those raised by zai:

#1. Is it true that all muslims will enter HELL?

  Qur'an 19:71:
  And there is not one of you but shall come to it; this is an unavoidable decree of your Lord. (Shakir's tr.)
  And there is not one of you but will come to it. This is an absolute decree of thy Lord. (Sher Ali)
  There shall be none of you but shall descend into the same [hell]: [This] is an established decree upon thy Lord. (Sale's Tr.)


Just like your brother stimulus, the verse above is talking about the Great Bridge called As-sirat in which everybody will pass over it to the other side and under it will be Hell. All believers will pass over it according to the quality of their deeds while the unbelievers will fall into it.


#2. Is it true that Muhammad rescinded on his assertion to intercede for Muslims?

NO


#3. How could a sex offender and thief still enter paradise if they died in their sins?


Does that mean David, Judah, etc will go to Hell? When you provide your answer, I will shed more light on the above.



#4. Who among Muslims can be sure that his/her good deeds outweigh their evil deeds?

Brother, so you dont know about your deeds? You dont know if your bad deeds outweight your good deeds?


#5. What about al-taqiyya: will all those who practised it still enter paradise if they died in their al-taqiyya?


Please what is your understanding of Al-Taqiyyah?


#6. What exactly is the best of deeds that GUARANTEES paradise to a male Muslim?

Male Muslims?Please be specific and tell me where you are going.

@Gwaine


Stop avoiding issues like one of your brothers here. I asked him question first, so you should answer me first and I will supply you my response to your question. Below are my questions:


When you finish answering my brother's question, you will tell me who

1.  Jesus prayed to at gethsemane

2.  Jesus  shouted to on the cross that 'my God my God, why has thou forsaken me'

3.Is God three-in-one and one in three simultaneously or one at a time?

4.
If God is one and three simultaneously, then none of the three could be the complete God. Granting that such was the case, then when Jesus was on earth, he wasn’t a complete God, nor was the "father in Heaven" a whole God. Doesn’t that contradict what Jesus always said about His God and our God in heaven, his Lord and our Lord ? Does that also mean that there was no complete god then, between the claimed crucifixion and the claimed resurrection?

5.
If God is one and three at a time, then who was the God in heaven when Jesus was on earth? Wouldn’t this contradict his many references to a God in Heaven that sent him?

6.
If God is three and one at the same time, who was the God in Heaven within three days between the claimed crucifixion and the claimed resurrection?

7.
Christians say that: "The Father(F) is God, the Son(S) is God, and the Holy Ghost(H) is God, but the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Ghost, and the Holy Ghost is not the Father". In simple arithmetic and terms therefore, if F = G, S = G, and H = G, then it follows that F = S = H, while the second part of the statement suggests that F ¹ S ¹ H (meaning, "not equal". Isn’t that a contradiction to the Christian dogma of Trinity in itself ?


8.
If Jesus was God, why did he tell the man who called him "good master" not to call him "good" because accordingly, there is none good but his God in Heaven alone?

9.
Why do Christians say that God is three-in-one and one in three when Jesus says in Mark 12:29: "The Lord our God is one Lord" in as many places as yet in the Bible?

10
.If belief in the Trinity was such a necessary condition for being a Christian, why didn’t Jesus teach and emphasize it to the Christians during his time? How were those followers of Jesus considered Christians without ever hearing the term Trinity? Had the Trinity been the spinal cord of Christianity, Jesus would have emphasized it on many occasions and would have taught and explained it in detail to the people.

11.
.Christians claim that Jesus was God as they quote in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". This is John speaking and not Jesus. Also, the Greek word for the first occurrence of God is HOTHEOS which means "the God" or "God" with a capital "G", while the Greek word for its second occurrence is "TONTHEOS", which means "a god " or "god" with a small "g". Isn’t this dishonesty and inconsistency on the part of those translating the Greek Bible? ? Isn’t such quotation in John 1:1 recognized by every Christian scholar of the Bible to have been written by a Jew named Philo Alexandria way before Jesus and John?


12
.Wasn’t the word "god" or "TONTHEOS" also used to refer to others as well as in II Corinthians 4:4 "(and the Devil is) the god of this world" and in Exodus 7:1 "See , I have made thee (Moses ) a god to Pharaoh"?


When you are through, others will be served.

@Mosetra

Close to bursting? Far from that. So the bible cannot be understood by ordinary person huh?



@stimulus


Quote from: stimulus on May 10, 2007, 02:42 PM
I've often warned you to behave; but just a single thread I opened in answer to your challenges, and you're having nightmares. If I had opened 7 threads nko - will you die straight to the Islamic hell?


You are the one having problem ever since I exposed your bible. I have provided detailed response to your post, you only need to go there with your clown that joined nairaland recently and read my reply. I have no problem with your post, in fact, you are free to create threads now that your accomplice is around.

@Gwaine

Now, this issue about being a prophet. . . I really would like to know what exactly is a prophet in Islamic thinking. A few sub-questions:

(a) how does Muhammad resemble any Biblical prophet in ministry?

(b) why was Muhammad often mixing up issues that those prophets preached?


Are you still asking question? Your brothers said that job, solomon etc are not prophets so I asked them the qualities of a prophet and what are they, so you should answer the question for them before moving to another question.


Thanks

@all christians


Since you ignored the question on john 3 v 16 which you have been using in deceiving people, I will create thread for it and you will answer just three questions from the verse. So I am jetting out of this thread and you are free to post whatever you feel like.

@gwaine



- Muhammad performed NO miracles
(contrary to the bogus claims made by Muslims that he did!)


Let me have your proof please?


- There are NO 99 names of Allah
(another unsubstantiated claim by Muhammad which Muslims know nothing about!)

Same as above, let me have your proof.



- There are NO guarantees of salvation in Islam
(the noisy myth has been debunked and laid to rest!)

Did you lay it to rest or your folks that couldnt tell me the method of attaining salvation.



There are some other issues that have also been uncovered, such as the lost books of the Qur'an which babs787 categorically declared on the Forum.


Let me have the lost books. You and your folks are justing your time. It seems the exposure of the incompleteness made you go mad. Dont worry, that what you see when you go about insulting other's belief.



Of course, Jesus is Lord and Muhammad cannot be compared to Him at all. It is the very Lordship of Jesus Christ that Muslim apologists (such as babs787) have been seeking to derogate in order to "prove" Islam is THE religion of 'Allah'. E no go work!!


Yes, he is here again with his derogation. You may shout from now till tomorrow, the fact remains, your deceit never move me. You didnt say anything when your folks have been posting stupid rejoinders yet you have the audacity to challenge me. Let me have the threads that I have done so and I will prove it for you from your bible. The fact is just that truth is always bitter, I gave you verses from your bible and if you keep saying babs is derogating you, it means it is your bible that has been doing same.

@gwaine


The above should go to your folks that started their blasphemous threadsand posts.

@gwaine



I've actually been waiting for you - and it's really funny that you're predictable. You joined the Forum on August 15, 2006, which is two months later than when I came on board ( June 04, 2006). I should be the one welcoming you.

No problem, as it pleases you.


You don't have any official status here to be throwing questions around and demanding anything of anyone. So, if you have read the massages I left you in some other threads, take the hint: I'm not here for your games, and I'm going to serve you some no-nonsense issues about the stuff you've been beating around.


So you can now shout abi, where have you been when your folks have been saying many things about my faith and prophet, creating threads and posting all sort of things, nobody talked but when same is given to you, you resrot to 'babs is deriding your faith". I am ready for you and since stimulus may likely not be around, you take up his position.



If you want to discuss, be my guest and I'll just crawl back to my hole jeje. If you would have it otherwise, then please prepare for your worst nightmares, because that's the one reason why I resumed my contributions.

Are you afraid, your folks have said more than that, so your cry will lead you nowhere. I am creating some threads in whch you must answered cos your folks have done same.


I trust you can be self-advised for the better.


i dont give a damn about who you are. You cant just come here and start posting senseless threads. Your folks have done more than and I am paying them back. If you feel disturbed, the door is opened. I will surely make this place urt for you. If you want to proceed babs is available too.



Lol No vex. I recently relocated and it took me a while to settle down and get re-connected online. Actually, I was just sitting down jeje and thought to check nairaland recently; only to find some fellas have been misbehaving so much that I can't let such rascally behaviour pass like that.

It is now you know that fellas are misbehaving, but you didnt see when your folks have been doing same all these while. As I do say, I only respect those who respect my faith. So you are welcome on board.


I may be busy between times; but I dey ground for now. People like babs have to wake up to reality - and that's one reason why I'm here again.


Sure, lets set the ball rolling man. When your folks stop, then babs will surely do but anything aside that, prepare for more of your falsehood.






Just one thread stimulus opened to answer your challenges, and you're taking such a bad hit already! If he had opened half the number of threads you did, you probably would have had a heart attack, abi? As if you have not been dodging his questions, this one for example: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-52589.0.html#msg1102231



You are here supporting denials. You are free to go there and confirm. You may shout or cry from now till eternity, nothing moves babs, your folks started it and am paying them back in their own coin. So feel free if you have anything. His posts have been debunked, so you can assist him.



Good to know; so that when you receive some more knocks, no one will 'give a damn' how bad it turns out for you

You know what, since you have decided to burst into nairaland, tendering your stupidity, babs will henceforth create threads on your doctrine which you must answer. You know that you have been the one preaching to us that Jesus died for your sin , he is both God and Man etc, so questions will be served you on your doctrines.

@stimulus


Even though I'm going to be away for a few days and still busy outside my location, your recent comebacks are such a laugh that they present no real substance other than your usual drivel. Grow up and show your wits if you've got any, because you've always been playing the same tired old silly games which have not served you any good this time around ion the Forum, and definitely not on this thread.


Really? Who has been playing silly between you and I that has been running from questions?



You're being ridiculous with your sobs here. I deliberately opened this thread to answer most of your plagiarized challenges - go to the first paragraph of my first post on this thread and read it again: "Here are my responses to the challenges you offered in several threads." You're dancing around issues now because you've been exposed for the fraud that you are, after pretending that those plagiarized articles are your otiose scholarship.


I doubt if your brother Gwaine has been reading your posts full of lies accusing me of plagiarism. My questions were not only on some lost books but also on some missing verse which you ignored mentioning only that of the lost books. Go to the link supplied by your very self and re-read again and stop deceiving yourself.

Three questions were asked in which the first question was on why protestants are having 66 books and catholics 73 books. The second was on some missing verses while the third was on some lost books mentioned. You ignored the first two and only talked on the last question pretending as if I have asked only that question. Common, wake up and stop deceiving yourself.

The second link supplied by you was pilgrim’s response to loveking’s question on some missing books from the bible [color=Black]dated April 12, 2007 and quoted below:

Quote from: LoveKing on April 12, 2007, 09:59 AM
hello> ? where is the book of Jasher as reported in the Book of Joshua?

Josh. 10:13 - And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

Pilgrimn's response
The book of Jasher was referred to merely as confirmation of the event in that verse. It does not give the idea that it was part of the canon of Scripture that the Jews saw as inspired.[/color]

Christians will never stop amusing me. The verse is self-explanatory yet they will give it their own meaning. The verse said Is not this written in the book of Jasher? Where is the book of Jasheer bros?


[color=Black]Quote from: LoveKing on April 12, 2007, 09:59 AM
or the book of Jehu as stated in the 2nd book of Chronicles? yeah the bible is complete! *shuuumck*

2 Chron. 20:34 - Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Jehu the son of Hanani, who is mentioned in the book of the kings of Israel.

pilgrim's response
The same thing as above: it does not give the idea that the book of Jehu was regarded as Scripture. Jehu the son of Hanani is said to be mentioned in "the book of the Kings of Israel", and the reference could be found in I Kings 16.[/color]


Same issue. Brother, over to you now. Is the above mentioned book not supposed to be part of your bible? Where is the book mentioned please?




I can't believe you're sobbing this much and now complaining that my posts were lengthy. What do you call your lengthy rank-xeroxed articles?

Babs has never been and will never be. You are the one that has been shouting that babs has been defaming your faith and you have just started, remember you still have questions unanswered in some threads and when I am ready for you I will give you misright’s questions with the addition of mine, then your brother Gwaine will assist in answering them.



What are you agreeing 'yes' to - that you should hold a towel, or that your falsehood will perish as your hypocrisy has been exposed?

Brother, stop deceiving yourself. Is your bible complete?



Olodo. Where are the wrong verses?? You really don't know how to guard your pus-brains up until now, to the extent that you're admitting there are 'wrong verses' from your book! I quoted from the translations of Shakir and of Yusuf Ali: where did I misquote them? I'm sure they would be throwing a party to celebrate your calling them "deluded authors that lied", yes?!?


You can say that again, you own your stinking mouth, you can use it to say whatever you feel like. It has become your trade mark to resort to abuse whenever you have nothing sensible to say. As for the issue of shakir and Yussuf Ali, I can see that you and your clown are deluded. Go to the verses again, the verses are talking about unbelievers and how that day will be for them yet you showed your lack of understanding, but always ready to insult, typical Christian trademark, so it doesn’t move me.

You told me that the verse talks about some books in which if you have applied your senses, you would have read that the verses was talking about unbelievers and how that day will be for them. Below is your question that caused your confusion.


May 8, 2007
#5. Where are the 'Sacred Books' and Books of Deeds? || Sura 54:43 & 52
'Are your Unbelievers, (O Quraish), better than they? Or have ye
an immunity in the Sacred Books? - All that they do is noted in (their)
Books (of Deeds)'

Like I said, if you had applied your senses, you would have read that the verses including the one above are talking about unbelievers and how that day will be like and not your childish interpretation.


In the first place, you're further exposing your fraud. You have boasted severally about the Qur'an; but the moment your bubbles burst, you're wailing hysterically. Whatever the case, it is alarming that you could go so far to call your Muslim authors "liars"; and I wonder what "necessary steps" your muslim world took to expose your calumniating sham against those Muslim authors?

Brother, why not relax your muscle and think for a while. I have provided answer up. You applied your biblical reasoning that has failed you. Who should be called a liar, is it you that said that there is no name like Jesus Barabas in the bible or babs? I have explained to you, the verse you laid emphasis is talking about unbelievers that believes that everything they do is not being recorded. You need to read from the beginning and educate yourself.



Where have I discussed the Jehovah Witnesses, or called them the same thing you called your Muslim authors/translators - "deluded authors that lied"?? I may not agree with them; but you won't find me referring to them with vexed illiterate name-calling as you did your Muslim authors.


Brother, you are confused more, you asked me for the whereabout of the book mentioned in that verse and I told you that if you had applied your senses, you would have read that the verse is referring to judgment day and not childish thinking. You brought up the issue of Khalifites and I brought that of Jehovah witness, so stop going in circles.


Really, yes you revealed your falsehood again.


Yes, we are beginning to see that .



Whay falsehood? You see how empty you are? If you had nothing to offer, why come back trying to circle round issues and saying absolutely nothing to the gist of my response? Typical of your games - so that you can go and make your otiose noise in other threads about having raised questions which I haven't rebutted! Too bad your websites failed to give you materials to plagiarize and paste here, because they just weren't thinking you'd ever have to face issues such as you found here. Your games have failed you miserably.

You have been the one crying that babs has been deriding jesus having exposed your falsehood and you should better go to Jerusalem and cry your heart out there. Soon, threads will be created for you and your folks.




I'm quite used to your slobber accusations. When you're done sobbing, let us know. Just only the issue of the missing books of the Qur'an and you're taking such a bad hit as if your last hour has arrived! If I had served you the missing verses all at once, would we be reading that you took a heart attack?

Brother, you can see that you have nowhere to hide. Common give me some missing verses just as i have done. I have provided detailed response to your questions unless you don’t want to read your lies.



Who's the non-muslim whose 'politically correct' drama has been put to rest? It's just so silly that your empty noise here is just on the one issue of the missing books in the Qur'an, which you claimed were lost! After circling round that issue and exposing your fraud of doublespeak, you still are left with an INCOMPLETE Qur'an!

Brother, you have been provided detailed response, you only to go there and read again
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-52589.0.html




If you weren't satisfied with my answers, where are the missing books of the Qur'an, babs787? This shamless games you've been playing will not wash away your fraud.


I have provided you answers in the links above, you only need to go there and read but if you are not satisfied or you are having sight problem, you can still ask your questions here and babs will surely respond.



When you're done wailing for the exposure of your fraud here, come back for more. If you're deliberately pretending not to have read the first paragraph of my first post here, you still won't get behind this hypocrisy of yours.

You know you problem, when your falsehoods is exposed you go about crying that babs is deriding your faith yet no muslim has said same since you and your friends have been posting same. You have been preaching those false doctrines and you should always be ready to answer the questions on your belief. If you still want to cry, the Wailing Wall is there, you go and cry your heart out.




What is the difference between the "Injil" and the "Gospel", babs787? And what again did you say about the Torah and Injil of the Qur'an - LOST or otherwise?

Brother stop playng games with me, your falsehood has been exposed and more will still be exposed. I am asking you again, what do the ‘torah’ and ‘injil’ contain?



Don't make matters worse as it already is for you. What nonsensical talk are you now trying to dribble round the open statements you made earlier?? Have you no shame at all? Come back and deny them again and let's know how big an unblushingly caviling hypocrite you are!


You are the one confusing yourselves when it is glaring that you have been exposed more. Brother, if you are not satisfied with my response, bring your questions and I will re-explain and it will probably sink into your pea-sized brain this time.




No matter how much you try to belie the issue here, you're only managing to convince readers of your fraud and cowardize. The links I posted there clearly has your quote saying that "THE TORAH WAS LOST" (1st link); and "both Torah and Gospel cannot be found" (2nd link).

Now you thought you were being clever in changing the URL for the links to the first page of the thread, and try to deceive readers into thinking those were the links in my quote! Here they are:

My 1st link: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-46848.0.html#msg1045746
changed by you: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-46848.0.html


We are now seeing who is confused. I didn’t change any URL but its just you lacked reasoning. In your first post here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-52589.0.html, you claimed that babs based the incompleteness of the bible on some missing books whereas babs gave you three questions and not only on the missing books alone, but on some missing verses and I directed you to the link you thought that babs changed. You showed your dishonesty by telling me that I talked about the missing books alone whereas I talked about protestants and catholics bible, I also talked about some missing verses. So we can see real dishonesty now. I never changed anything, I gave you the same way I have it and this is the link below again
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-46848.0.html

I even perused the two links and found that it contain same thing, so why the cry about? You lied that I talked about only missing books but babs talked on some missing verses too. So judge yourself man.


My 2nd link: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-46848.0.html#msg1061562
changed by you: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-46848.0.html

They all link to the same thread; but the links I provided (which you altered) were supposed to direct readers to the particular pages where I clipped your quotes from!! This is the kind of hypocrisy and shameless caviling that you're known for - and I hope that your adulators can see you for the pathological sleazebag that you've made out of yourself!


Brother why not calm down for a while and stop this your hide and seek game. You accused me in your first paragraph that I concluded that the bible is incomplete through some missing books whereas I gave you some missing verses too hence my giving you that link to show your dishonesty. It was very glaring that I didn’t only comment on missing books but also on missing verses but in your first statement, you showed your normal Christian trademark, lied that I talked on missing books alone. It didn’t come as a surprise, hope you remember the issue of Jesus Barabas too? If you care to know I didn’t change anything, I directed to the link to show your hypocrisy and dishonesty, crying that I only talked on missing books while babs talks on missing verses too.



Let me ask you again: In the links I offered, did you never make the statements: "THE TORAH WAS LOST" and "both Torah and Gospel cannot be found"?? From your answers, you will confirm your deceptive trademark.

If you are denying the fact about the lost books, please tell me, is the Torah we are having today the same as the one given to Jesus? Please respond.




Pretend you didn't understand the question, which is only typical of your games. Sorry, this time you have managed to further confirm it.

Sure, we are now seeing more of your falsehood and denials.





Where did the Qur'an teach that "the TORAH contains story of Jesus", babs787?? Has the "TORAH" suddenly become the "GOSPEL" (INJIL) to you? Why all these doublespeak and pretences about your earlier statements? Play more games: you simply can't pretend any antics here with me.

Bros, I know that you are not blind, you saw my response to your post, am asking you again, what does the Injil contains?


Meanwhile, since you also categorically referred to the TORAH and INJIL as 'BOOKS', don't even try snaking round your statement and now pretending they are "STORIES"!! My question still remains:

WHERE ARE THE TORAH, INJIL AND PSALMS THAT THE QUR'AN SPEAKS ABOUT??


Well, bros, I think I have assisted you enough, go to my response to your first post and you will read about the Torah and Injil. The question again, what do the Torah, Injil and Psalm contain please?



Once again, let's see you come back hopping round the question and proving to your brethren that you're a complete stranger to truth and reason!

You have been the one denying the truth and it shouldn’t comer as a surprise because you are well known for that.



I made no claims. Rather, I asked you questions; and from your answers I drew the inference from what you stated:

Since you have been crying that the Quran does not contain the books, what do the Torah, injil and Psalms contain?






Come back and play your deception at trying to twist what you said; or go back to those threads and edit those lines so that readers will celebrate your conceit!

Bros, another question for you, is the Gospel today same as the one given to Jesus? When you provide the anwer, I will take it up from there again and nail you more.




Did you not openly declare that "those books" cannot be found?? What kind of farcical gamble are you attempting here that is only making matters worse for you??


Sure, if that is the way you want it, so be it and am asking you again, is the Gospel today same as the one given to Jesus?





If you're not deliberately blinding yourself or reading with smoking lantern, go back and compare the quotes - I neatly arranged them there for you because I suspected you would come back making this silly statement. You're so very predictable.

Brother, you are the one making mockery of yourself. The meaning are the same regardless of authors. You raised your question based on a verse that is referring to unbelievers and how that the last day will be for them and you quickly changed your words that babs didn’t complete the verse. Brother if you had read the verse very well, you would have seen that the verse is talking about things to happen and not your thinking in which you blindly demanded to see the book mentioned there. You asked to see the book that will be opened on that day, I tire for our brethren, yet his accomplice supported him.




Were you blind before you offered Hilali-Khan's translation and denounced both the translations of YusufAli and of Shakir - even going so far as to label them "deluded authors that lied"??

Brother, I can see that you are confused more and I will help you. Regardless of the authors, the Quran will give you same meaning. Now, you asked for the book in that verse you claimed your authors were deluded and if you have not been up to mischief, you would have read that the verses talk about books that will be given to unbelievers i.e the record of deeds while the other verse talks about the earlier revelations. If you still care to read, this is your question:
#5. Where are the 'Sacred Books' and Books of Deeds? || Sura 54:43 & 52
'Are your Unbelievers, (O Quraish), better than they? Or have ye
an immunity in the Sacred Books? - All that they do is noted in (their)
Books (of Deeds)'

Funny enough, you are asking for those books when they are not part of revealed books. The books mentioned there are the books in which your deeds are written and will be given to you on that day. You are referring to future occurrence as if it has happened, na real wa o .



Look at this shameless cheat!! Are you suffering from shock relapses, babs787?? How is it that you're now turning round and accusing me of your own statement? When I asked you what the Qur'an means by "His books" and "His Scriptures", this is what you said earlier:

Same as above. I have answered you. You asked me question on the whereabout of those books mentioned in those verses . The book of deeds are the books to be given to everybody on that day while that of Jesus is on the books revealed. So no where to hide brother. You can call me any name, there is a saying that ‘charity begins at home’, so feel free to use any word, am used to that. Have you no sense in interpreting verses?







Now answer the question: WHERE are the TORAH and the INJIL of the Qur'an, babs787?

Let's read another one of your twisted denials - just be my guest.


Since you don’t want to accept the truth and reason, am asking you this question.
please tell me, what do the Torah, Injil and Psalm contain?




Rubbish. How many times have you used all sorts of name-calling on others that people did not care enough to reason with you? You don't even have the shame for your slow-wittedness to have referred to your Muslim authors as LIARS!

Is that the issue now? Now if you care to read, go to the posts where babs have insulted your folks and read their posts. Your folks have started it and I have been giving them same. So you are free to continue crying. Infact I am giving you a basket when you are ready to cry again. Go to my posts and if you see anywhere babs insulted anybody, read their posts and you would see that babs adapt to changes and has never started it.




Deceive yourself - the records are there.

Sure, if you care to read.



Olodo. If you knew this, what was the point of your quoting Hilali-Khan's verses after I have used other translations?

Brother stop crying over nothing. Your question was not on translations but on the whereabout of the books ,mentioned there. You never used your senses to read that the verse is talking about books to be opened on that day . You mistook it for every other books, I thought you are a professor but you never understood future tenses again. If you care to read, this is one of your questions demanding to see the books mentioned not knowing that the verse is referring to judgment day. Professor stimulus!!!!!!!
#5. Where are the 'Sacred Books' and Books of Deeds? || Sura 54:43 & 52
'Are your Unbelievers, (O Quraish), better than they? Or have ye
an immunity in the Sacred Books? - All that they do is noted in (their)
Books (of Deeds)'





With all the sobbing, have you been able to provide an answer as to where the Gospel/Injil is (after having claimed that they were LOST)?

Am still asking you if you failed in understanding all I have been giving you, what do those books contain? Are you still saying the books in existence are the same one given to the prophets?




Your responses, or your usual plagiarism?

Yes o, you usual denial





If you are not satisfied with my answers, then give me the answer to my questions. Your usual denials is not working here.

Am asking you again, are you saying the bible is complete and is the gospel same as the one given to Jesus?




I didn't ask you to give me "stories" - and the Qur'an didn't call them "stories"; rather, it calls them BOOKS!! If you can't provide the BOOKS, the Qur'an is INCOMPLETE! You can cry all you want, but your own silly games will continually be exposed and applied to the Qur'an.

Okay another question, if the Quran does not contain those ‘books’, please how come there are stories of Moses, Jesus and David in the bible?




All the three books which you have claimed "cannot be found", yes?? Oga babs787, you need to be schooled up with more fraud - your fellows have bitterly let you down. When your "Torah" and "Gospel" are LOST, what nonsensical arguement are you trying to drum here in the usual al-taqiyya tune??

Okay, since you are shouting that the original message is not lost, can you please tell me if the Gospel today is the same as the one given to Jesus?





"Maybe" - because you were biting your fingers in frantic hope that I would never reply, just because I'm going away for a few weeks, yes?? Sorry bros, you will not get away so cheaply. This Islamic under-scholarship you've been pretending all along will. . . (you guessed it). . . PERISH!!


Babs is not biting his fingers and will never be. I myself have been very busy and may likely be busy for some weeks but I will still be responding to your denials once in a while. No muslim complain when you post threads on their faith but heaven is always let loose when same is being asked by muslims. Truth has come, falsehood is bound to perish.


Babs787, just don't try your games with me. You're simply


Yes o, your falsehood and denial have been exposed.




The guy never see nothing yet, lol. For a long time he's been getting away cheaply with his al-taqiyya. . . too bad for him now that his falsehood has to be exposed publicly like this.

I am always here for you anytime you need me. I am waiting for more of your denials.





@Gwaine
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I've been following your debates with babs787. You've done quite well in exposing his hypocrisy and deliberate defamation of Christ, as well his unceasing calumny against Christianity. It's obvious he's been playing these illiterate games for long; but he didn't quite prepare for the exposure. You don't have to worry a thing now: we dey here and in the coming weeks, I'll help him further with the hideous camouflage about Muhammad - right from their very books.

Bird of a feather. Brother, you have decided to be shedding tears too. When you create threads about my belief, nobody challenges or tell you that you are defaming his/her faith but when questions are asked on your so called false doctrines, then you go about crying that babs has been deriding your jesus. You may shout from now till tomorrow, the fact remains, I am used to it and it never move me. He has really exposed babs’ hypocrisy especially when stimulus lied that there is no name called Jesus Barabas and babs had to show him. Keep deceiving yourself and you know what, threads will be created on your doctrines and I will serve you questions and please you must answer them and don’t run like your brother.

Let me have where I have been deriding your Jesus or your belief and I will back it up with verses from your book. Are you not the one that has been preaching that without jesus no salvation, blood atonement, jesus dying for your sin, crucifixion of jesus, trinity etc but when questions are served on your belief, you quickly resort to ‘babs is deriding your faith’, you may shout from now till tomorrow for all I care.

Lest I forget, you can continue from where he stopped since he may not be around and threads will be created on your doctrine in which you must answer the questions in those threads.


Cheers

@babyosis

Jhn 3:16   "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.


I have learnt that you are the most uncouth lady here so as a result will not waste time with you here.

My question again, do we say Jesus is the only begotten son as put by John in chapter 3 verse 16?


Stimulus & Gwaine can assist .

Thanks.


@gwaine

Be careful of what you say. If you dont know what to say to the lies posted by your folks, it will be better to keep your mouth shut please. I can see that you all lack understanding, birds of a feather. You will always behave like one, you didnt read when your sister noisycheeks quoted verses wrongly but making noise over what you never understand. You will answer some questions soon and dont avoid my questions like stimulus please.


@noisycheeks


Funny how you accuse babs of lifting from threas when you have lifted everything from websites but your folks didnt see that. Well, once again, endeavour to give the translation whenever you are bringing up any contradiction.

@noisycheeks


Am still asking you if your sites are not having questions again? I have answered you in one of the threads where you lied, so if you still want me to educate you, please give me the questions with the translations and babs will surely respond


@stimulus

I am not surprised at you because I have noticed that you have been avoiding most of my questions.


@babyosis,

I have nothing to say to you, you know the position I put you and I dont give a damn.


@Gwaine

You are welcome on board. Soon, you will be assisting your folks in answering my coming questions and please do not run or avoid my questions like your brother stimulus.

@noisycheeks


Am still asking you if your sites are not having questions again? I have answered in one of the threads where you lied, so if you still want me to educate you, please give me the questions will the translations and babs will surely respond


@stimulus

I am not surprised at you because I have noticed that you have been avoiding most of my questions.


@babyosis,

I have nothing to say to you, you know the position I put you and I dont give a damn.


@Gwaine

You are welcome on board. Soon, you will be assisting your folks in answering my coming questions and please do not run or avoid my questions like your brother stimulus.

@mosetra


Babs is never moved by your insults because it has become your trademark whenever you have nothing to offer.

As for this thread, when am through with your allegations in som threads, babs will ask you questions on how 700 men turned to 7000 men and vice versa

Till then, keep lying to yourselves here till babs comes your way.

@jeshua



thats is the best response for babs***, i have stopped responding to him, I guess he is bitter against someone related to him  (supposed to be a christian) that didnt treat him right. He is carrying out a vendetta against that person by standing against christianity. I hope we will all pray for him, he once said he had a reversion and I checked the word, guess the meaning:
reversion (n.) a return to a normal phenotype (usually resulting from a second mutation)
reversion (n.) a reappearance of an earlier characteristic
note the meaning highlighted. I also think he wants attention. Babs , i  have nothing against you and i hope you at least be teachable


Brother, you shouldnt have stopped responding to babs.In one of the threads, you thought that babs ran for you but when I gave you back what you offered, you never wait to say anything. Al Quran is my surest link to Allah, proof me wrong and I will join yours. If you are sure of anything, feel free to defend it. You have been saying that God should fight for himself, why are you deviating from your what you said earlier. Babs has nothing against you too.



@noisycheeks,


We are beginning to see real dancers. If you want babs to address your questions, give me two or three questions and provide the full vtranslations, then be rest assured that babs will answer you. The reason for asking for the full translation is that I learnt that you often misquote verses like you did here
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-52621.0.html#msg1105867

You provided the story of Adam and lied that the story is for Moses. You also lied that the stories are contradictions whereas they are not. So please provide the translations for me and babs will surely respond

Thanks.

@noisycheeks


You still went to www.answering-islam.com again. Please go there and lift more. This will your second time of repeating same set of questions, are your websites running out of questions?