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Both catz exhibited totally different flows . . .

Vec wrapped his flows all around the beat like an octopus . . . and as Funky noted, he was filling up all 'em spaces in between with ad libs . . . but they got too much IMO . . . It'd have been better with a few words dropped intermittently here n there . . . it's a rap song, the ad libs shouldn't be dragging space with the raps.

Ice Prince kinda let the beat slide by . . . his flows were dropped like he was teasing a chick but wouldn't poke her , he left the beat crying out for more.

That said, I give both dudes their merits . . . but Ice Prince cuts this for me - he's one of ma fave Naija rappers so I might be bit biased here . . . he's not been on the scene for so long but since his cut on M.I's "Blaze", I'd always known this dude would go far . . .

I fail to see how he sounds 'elementary' compared to Vec here . . . agreed that Vec rode roughshod on the beat but I kinda feel Ice Prince just chose to lace the beat with a basic flow . . . did y'all notice that he was kickin' a near-even syllabic structure all through his verses?? He reminds me of Eminem's "3am" . . . and maybe it's his style but I remember how he flowed on Ruggedman's "She n My Swagger" - basic but I daresay he delivered better than Rugged . . . Zamani didn't run outta flows - seems like a deliberate move to me . . .

Also, Ice had some pretty decent lines if y'all listen carefully . . . he wasn't tryna go into all 'em complex wordplay and highly convoluted meanings . . . just simply profound but profoundly simple stuff that you'll almost miss if listened to in a hurry (tell me a "fat n shapeless" account doesn't make you let out a giggle) . . . and mess the foregoing, I just kick with him cos overall, he had a more 'fundamental' sound . . .

My vote - Ice Prince Zamani.

@Eldee/04kaa

I just dey find hin trouble

Anyways, this place don dey dull small small jor . . . e'rrbori don sleep??

Hehehe . . . I'll only be happy when JAMB stops sending you that "Best Customer" greeting card every year . . .

Believe me I wish you well. Hehehe.

Hear ke? I asked an objective question, not one that requires "I don hear" for an answer . . .

First rule towards passing an exam - answer questions appropriately . . .

I like your spirit then . . . there's room for improvement . . . BTW, the 'JAMB' question was for Mobingo - we all need to pray for him so he can pass his JAMB exam at the umpteenth trial.

Hehe, Mr Milo . . . I just 'reviewed' ya verse . . . or don't you like it??

Another question - have you now passed your JAMB exam? Olodo.

Ya life's worst nightmare . . .

@DBR

You should tell that street urchin to stop deceiving himself and shut up . . .

Which vocals did he work on?? Screaming like some dude in the toilet trying hard to force his hardened s.hit outta his ar.se , no rhythm, no sequence, no flow . . . screaming "wake up ofoka" up n down like a white-garment church prophet . . .

Ofoka could do better with clearer vocals . . . In the proper perspective of what an audio track should be, he clearly out-classes that NURTW boy screaming like he was being exorcised. The dude should be told that rapping or battling ain't about quoting all his fave rappers' punchlines even when they don't connect or make sense.

The fact that I can slyly form 'busy' behind ma computer whilst actually witnessing the perpetual madness going on here . . .

*^{Wow, been at a meeting all day}*

Aiight, DBR's verse was again graphic with 'em vile and vicious pictures . . . his first 6 lines - very 'horror[/i]ful', reminded me of "Saw V" . . . he somewhat continues in the next 8 lines . . . though the tempo wasn't maintained like it started.

Loads of wordplay as usual . . . wits too - "Table her Content" got me laughing hard . . .

Ibime's was wits all the way . . . as already noted, the "magnum cumlaude" line was really impressive . . . the opener came with heat and the wit was maintained all the way . . . nice wordplay and rhymes intact . . . plus a wonderful closer to wrap it up.

After both rounds, it seems to me that whilst DBR's strength lies in being "vile n vicious/dark n deep", Ibime's is in "wit n humor/rhythm n rhyme" . . . and judging from both verses in this round, DBR's only weakness was that he didn't maintain that strength/tempo all the way, Ibime however maintained his from beginning till end.

So, Ibime wins this . . . though I feel DBR's short time didn't help him . . .

Ibime:
He like my last opponent. . .cos he delivered good [i]hooks. . . but got stopped with a jab!/       (Take it easy Bamsyle!) lol

Hehehe . . . clears throat "Ahem Ahem"

Testing Microphone . . .

You hit me??/I musta been sleeping/when you did it
Cos I hit thee/you aimed back and missed me/damn, you dizzy
Like Paul Pierce hittin' Eddie/you missed and hit the referee!  
My mic (Mike) enticing (an’ Tyson) my style piercing (Pearson), you basket-balling
You're prancin' dodging moves - I hit and see ya casket calling!
You're still diggin' ma song??/Nigguh sorry I had to do it
Yo' mouth runnin' too loosely so I put a hook to it!
My 2nd Round punches gonna daze him/I’ll slowly kill his hopes *^{humming "Killing me softly}"*
Like Meehan, he'll miss the referee and only hit the ropes!


Ok, erm . . . not a battle rapper but I think I can do it if I set out time to get into it . . .  . . . plus ma first battle was more like warning shotz (as a reply to that (now classic) question "Will you reply me if I diss you"??   ) . . . me's new to these endz so didn't even know y'all f[/i]cu[i]k with 'punshlines' so much . . .

Ok, ma "2nd Round K.O." on here must be packed full of 'em . . . hehehe - make nobody come dey talk say Bamsyle nor sabi 'punshline' when rapping . . .

@Ibime

Agreed . . . and that's why I scored you higher than DBR for rhyme structure . . . since it's strictly a text rap . . . but I'm getting the feeling that some dudes think a verse can't be properly rhymed on audio just cos it doesn't look good on paper . . . that's where I beg to differ . . . one doesn't even need to tongue-twist to articulate 'clumsy-looking' or several lines in quick succession - and that's where rappers like Tonedeff or Eminem (when vexed) ace so many other rappers.

In corroboration of what DBR just said, a rap verse may not look good to rhyme when read on paper . . . Most times I form a flow in my head even before I pen 'em . . . Nuccas are used to the usual "1,2,3,4" metronome counting when reading bars on text and not all bars can be rhymed that way . . .

Both dudes in this spar scored under all the paramaters used to grade a rap verse . . . Each just had his high/low point . . . The fact that DBR scored high for depth does not mean Ibime scored zilch, and the fact that Ibime had humor doesn't mean DBR had none . . . It's just a question of on whose side does the scale weigh heavier??

That said, I don't agree that DBR's verse got no rhythm . . . It may not look so rhythmical as Ibime's on paper but I can rhyme it on audio without breaking a sweat.

@Slimshay

Both played on words, but DBR's had more depth - overall, he scored the highest with his convoluted use of words . . . the double entendres thingy . . .

Maybe I was just judging by the frequency of the wordplays in both verses . . . On the real though, Ibime's verses also paraded several but they weren't as deep as DBR's. Gimme some more time as I'm still using ma fone - I need to settle down to read 'em verses again on ma lappy.

Opener - Clearly DBR
Closer - Clearly Ibime
Wordplay - DBR (Close though)
Multies - Ibime
Punches - Tie
Directness - DBR
Rhythm/Rhyme Structure - Ibime
Humor - Ibime
Depth - DBR

Nice spar from both dudes . . .

Picking a winner depends on what counts for you overall - I like DBR's directness - he came heavier with vile jabs that make you think of victims in horror flicks . . . He was dark n deep and I like his elevated vocab . . .

Ibime had a lot of imagery/"narratives" going for him there . . . Nice one. BTW, I stand to be corrected but I don't think he meant "Toy-in-sub-air" . . . Cos it won't make sense when read in conjunction with the rest of the verse . . . Plus "Toyin Subair" rhymes with the preceding rhyme "joke with me here" and not the sub-air thingy.

I agree DBR had more ish on the FFR thread though . . . But overall I'll go with him cos he was generally more direct - he came harder. Ibime came very close with a more rhythmical verse (looks good to flow on a beat) but I feel he focused more on rhyming than anything else.

I thot it was supposed to be an audio battle though . . .

Doing this on ma fone so all errors regretted.

@HJ

I ain't your irresponsible runaway father who couldn't raise what he sired with his cock . . .

Keep asking your mom - one day, she'll tell you who your father is . . . till then, keep ma name outta your mouth, simple.

[quote author=H.J link=topic=200489.msg6985045#msg6985045 date=1287661935]Eat a Di.c.k . . . .and keep wankin to ma picture while u at it . .[/quote]Hehehe . . . you wish.

I exposed ya ugly and vain self (comparing yourself to Jim Iyke) on that thread and all you can come up with is "w[/i]an[i]k to it" - the usual excuse of losers when boxed in a tight corner and they ain't got s[/i]hi[i]t to say.

Keep it comin' dawg . . . the more you post, the more your inherent daft nature is revealed.

eldee:
And I'm saying . . . why go into all this hard work when you could just get an Asa album.

Well, most 50-year olds might want Asa and the rest . . . but my post is narrowly focused on those handful who'll still wanna listen to Rap at 50 - why I think they'll do so and the type of Rap I think they'll want.

Not all of them would want Asa and the O'Jays . . . some of 'em might not outgrow their love for Rap . . . but they'll mos' def'ly want a kind of Rap different from the one they used to love about 20 years ago.

eldee:
There's not statute of Parliament that says every black man has to listen to people talk over repetitive beats at 50.

The topic is Hip Hop . . . and the main thrust of my argument is about why any 50-year old would wanna listen to Rap Music . . . comprende??

eldee:
Or they could just listen to Coldplay, U2, Marvin Gaye and people who spent their careers making music for grown ups.

Yes, and Lionel Richie, Stevie Wonder . . . even Asa . . . unfortunately these are not rappers

iice:
[color=#9900ff]Take your time ooo [/color]

Hehehe . . . topic said 50 . . . not, erm, 65

I most prolly will.

Life without Music is a Graveyard . . . Rap is Music . . . and it cuts across all ages, faces, races, religion, and genders . . .

I dunno . . . but it's prolly the rap fans, or "Hip Hop heads" that have carved a bad image for Rap Music . . . pundits want every rapper to 'keep it real', and sound hardcore or underground . . . any rapper who doesn't do it the "hardcore" way ain't reckoned with in the Hip Hop Community . . . hence the casual listener to Rap thinks it's all about "Guns, Sex, and Weed" . . .

Rap, like every other genre of Music, can be melodious and pleasing to the ears . . . it doesn't necessarily have to be that brawl of a voice . . . or harsh music filled with braggodocio, threats and intimidation . . .

That said, I doubt that 50-year olds would be interested in WuTang, Canibus, Saigon, or Crooked I - their content might be too 'hardcore' . . . I doubt also that they would be interested in 2pac, Biggie, DMX, Ja Rule, Eminem or Redman - their content might be too 'violent' . . . they might find Drake, Lil' Wayne, Kanye West and Soulja Boi too "childish" . . . I even doubt that they'll find Talib Kweli, Nas, Black Thought, or Common appealing - their content might be too "mentally challenging or stimulating" for their age . . .

What thots would most prolly dominate a 50-year old's mind?? Relaxing at the beach, hanging out with friends once a while . . . generally living a good life in retirement. At 50, most folks just create a complacent world where ignorance is bliss and 'intelligence' is an old, worn-out, and seldomly-worn hat . . . which 50-year old folk wanna follow Chuck D to "fight the power" or be a "street disciple" like Nas??

Most 50-year olds would most prolly listen to some types of Rap for relaxation/enjoyment . . . they'll prolly want the typa Rap that's devoid of cussing, swearing and uttering sheer profanities . . . Rap without explicit, violent or "too motivational" content . . . the type performed by Will Smith, T-Bone (lol), TobyMac (lol) . . . and the new Ma$e.

chiogo:
@Bamsyle, I agree!

Now I feel elated . . . coming from someone I've got loads of respekt for . . .

Raging Storms . . . see essays dancing back n forth.

Ma quick thots - J.Cole will of course win the battle (except Drake cooks up a big lyrical surprise) . . . but Drake will win the "war" - ma piece on the DBR/Eldee diegesis.

It's always been that way from time immemorial . . . kinda like a re-enactment of the 2pac/Biggie, Nas/Jay-Z, Canibus/LL battles . . . Pac slayed Biggie with words, Biggie out-classed Pac . . . Nas ethered Jay-Z, Hov went on to outshine Nas . . . Canibus knocked LL (out or down, can't say), but where's 'Bis today??

Battles like this usually end up as a WIN-WIN situation . . . it's too much of an open-ended debate to go on . . . there'll be strong points on both sides of the divide . . . even if it's a battle of Wits V. Class, folks gotta know that 'battles' don't usually end with one or even a couple more tracks packed with dope verses and ish . . . peops would eventually look beyond the lyrics and end up asking "who's the better rapper"??

That said, I root for J.Cole's music over Drake's . . . I loathe Drake's with every bone in me . . . but I was just tryna be, erm . . . "politically correct"!!! 

[quote author=H.J link=topic=200489.msg6974180#msg6974180 date=1287517479]. . . as for people of your similar shallowmindedness and stupidity, like bamsyle, i aint got that time . . .[/quote]This village i[/i]dio[i]t just won't keep ma name outta his slimy mouth . . .

It's obvious that you are cursed . . . each and every one of your posts in here reveals your total frustration, abuse, lack, poverty, deprivation and all other forms of maladies.

I've told you to kill your parents if you have problems with your existence . . . Bamsyle ain't the cause of your life's miseries.


@DBR
What it do mahn?? Just seeing 'em developments on this thread today . . . I got your back . . . 

Hehe . . . I don't understand the innuendo in that your reply o . . . who am I?? 

I like the mix that I referred to . . . I've always loved such crazy beats and from that lil' I heard, your mixes must be good.

Keep doing your thang mahn.

Nice one DJ Swaggz . . . I've only bumped your "Over the Moon" mix so far and it was cool mahn . . .

Keep it up!

One of the most skilled but equally underrated Naija rappers . . .

I'm sure a lotta posters ain't replying yet cos they're waiting for free downloads lol . . .

Great Snakes . . . Nairaland is still on this schizto??!!

Why does NL always quake when Modenine sneezes?? Y'all should leave this dude alone!!!

Bawses:
What the hell happened to Naija rap artist or am i missing something
Watched the Award show and saw all the Cypher rap performances.
Belee this or not, i watched Ghanian wacked artists( i mean wacked cus u can't
compare em to what we ave in Naija) perform, And i was like where the hell
is MI, M9 et al. Some one please clear me out!!!!
Am soo vexed right now.

Seconded . . .

I was thinking the same when I watched the cyphas too . . . Naija catz like Modenine, Terry Tha Rapman, MI, Ice Prince, etc will bury these Ghanaian acts . . .

My fave was the one with Kanye West, Pusha T, Big Sean, Common . . . Big Sean surprised me with his awesome delivery . . . and Common nailed it . . . plus I like Kanye's opener on selling his soul - kinda kidding 'em critics who be on that ish . . .

Ema prince:
. . . I think I prefered them spitting in their language so nobody can detect their wackness.

Seconded . . . 'em Ghanaian rappers are at their best when they spit in their language (Tinny and Tic Tac are good examples).

Naija and S.A parades the best rappers in Africa.

Very true.

Dope . . .

My immediate thoughts after the first listen: The Mode sounded like a freedom fighter/human rights activist all through  . . . plus this kinda re-affirms the fact that he wants respect above anything else in the industry . . . and he always comes through, even on his laid-back beatz.

Heard D.A's name . . . DejiAriyo, where you at??