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IYIMAN:
Hope you're doing all you can, how far.

I am doing the best i can thank you. The nclex practice questions are giving me tough time though but i will soon conquer it.

MPVGoddess:
I think so.

The council has a policy of using the date of the most recent license.

CGFNS needs the date of the very first ever license issue.

Until the council provides that to match the information I had earlier submitted to them.

I am stuck in limbo

it is well.

WellEndowed:
That opportunity you are talking about is called a conversion program. A person who studied in for example a third world country cannot meet NMC requirement in Australia. NEVER. That is why it is requirement that you enrol in a program to bring you up to speed with the Australian curriculum. That program for the upteenth time is called the conversion program

Sigh. Listen Barbie. Internationally qualified nurse has to do a conversion program. It is either a 3 months program and you come out with a certificate stating "Diploma of Nursing-Registered Nurse" or 1 year program with a certificate stating "Bachelor of Science-Nursing(Registered)". This program is called conversion/bridging program because there some units of study you have to undertake to fill out any in your word "deficiencies" in study from your country (e.g Nigeria).

What do you think conversion program means?just to change from one certificate to the other? not just that....it is that extra units/study you have to undertake to meet the requirements of working in Australia as a nurse. There are some units not taught in Nigeria that are taught in Australia or some units not clearly defined in your curriculum. It is a program AHPRA advises you enrol in with units you have to undertake to fill up any gaps from your previous studies. It doesn't matter except you want to do a Masters but if you want to work in Australia with a "Nigerian certificate" or as an internationally qualified nurse, you must enrol in those units.

Now people refuse to do the 1 year program because it is too long and too expensive. AHPRA provided even shorter programs hence the 3 month one so the inpatient ones can get out quicker and apply for registration and start working.

There are many universities in Australia that offer that 1 year course and 3 months course. Even Murdoch university in Western Australia amongst many offer the course...BUT YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO ME NOW BARBIEE WITH BOTH EARS OPEN, I CANNOT KEEP REPEATING MYSELF...YOU CANNOT ENROL SAY FOR EXAMPLE BY YOURSELF AT DEAKIN UNIVERSITY AND THEN PLAN TO PRACTICE IN AUSTRALIA. IF YOU WANT TO WORK IN AUSTRALIA, AHPRA WILL GIVE YOU A LIST OF THE UNIVERSITIES YOU CAN APPLY TO. THEY GIVE YOU THIS INFORMATION WHICH YOU TAKE TO THE UNI. YOU CAN DECIDE TO DO AN INTENSIVE 3 MONTHS PROGRAM OR THE 1 YEAR PROGRAM, WHICHEVER WAY, IF YOU ENROL IN DEAKIN WITHOUT AHPRA'S APPROVAL, WITHOUT AHPRA TELING YOU IT'S OKAY TO STUDY AT DEAKIN, YOU BETTER FLUSH THAT MONEY IN THE TOILET BECAUSE YOU JUST WASTED YOUR TIME. I AM ON MY KNEES. PLEASE DO NOT LET ME REPEAT MYSELF AGAIN

Going through your posts? are you okay at all? do you know I have been following this thread since day 1(long before I registered on Nairaland) but the first time I posted in here was when you expressed your desire to be worshipped by your patients .

... Ok for peace sake YOU WIN. I don't want to argue with you over this issue. (I'm yet to see you on your knees though)

Back to the issue on ground, please show us the right way to Nursing in Australia and Canada.

WellEndowed:
I was genuinely going to argue the bold comment of yours but thought against it. After reading that comment of yours, IT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT NURSING IN AUSTRALIA. Please I beg you, do not misinform people. It is okay to guess your answer but please dont act like you know what happens when you apply to the Nurses' Board in Australia. You are the first Nigerian that I know that mentioned the above and this is coming from someone who knows things about that country.

There is no Nigerian/Zimbabwean/Zambian who I have showed the way that has come back to me talking about studying for one year(different from conversion program). Yes every foreign nurse must do a conversion/bridging program. People choose either the 3 months program or 1 year. You said you weren't talking about a conversion program but the one year study you are talking about is called a conversion program in Australia and that is why I said you lack information about certain countries and their rules.

I saw earlier that someone queried you on the list of highest and lowest paid states for nurses in America. Though you came back and countered what they said...but those people who queried you might actually live in the US and know by that that rate per hour you put up there is false

The one year study i was talking about is not a conversion program. It is a post RN program that awards a bsn degree on completion.. For example Deakin University has the program. This is totally different from a conversion or bridging program. The conversion program is compulsory for international nurses but the 1 year RN to bsn is not, I suggested that because it will give the nurses opportunity to get their bsn degrees and complete any deficiencies they may have.
Since you claim i know nothing about nursing in Australia why don't you show us the right way,the others and i will be glad to learn a thing or two from you. I have not met anyone that satisfied Nmc requirements without one or two deficiencies but then again I'm no expert in these things.
And was it really necessary to go through my previous posts? The salaries i posted was gotten online from a nursing site, if those people have a different rate then they should post theirs online too. These things are not fixed and they vary from site to site. I didn't mislead anyone i just posted what i found.

WellEndowed:
Good points raised. The reason why I asked yous look into a country with universal healthcare is because it will save yous a lot of heartache in the future. Trust me on that one. You never know how important "free" healthcare is until you need it. Nothing compares to that.

I will choose Canada over the US. I have connections/families/permit in the US and that "American" dream is gradually fading. Opportunities are enormous you say but how long does it take for you to get a green card on arrival? The way you are pushing for opportunities is the same way millions of people are...how can you reach your full potential when you find yourself in a country with "opportunities" with 20 million people fighting to get a chance to explore these opportunities?

You actually sound like a nurse friend of mine who went to the US but had to divert to doing a masters in public health because things were not as rosy as she thought.

I just want all of you to get first hand experience from people who have lived in these countries before making a decision. Not all size fits all.

Canada has this massive land mass with about 34million people in it.....the chances of success are more realistic than the US. Australia has about 24 million people with opportunities un-describably good....and no
you don't need to study for one year conversion program, there is a 3 months conversion program
. I know someone who did hers from January to end of March this year.

The rent in the US is cheap. Things are cheap to buy....but their pay is less. Can you imagine getting less pay and have to pay for expensive stuffs?

The rent in Australia is expensive...but the pay is good....double the pay in the US. Can you imagine making so much money and expect everything else to be cheap?

Does it balance out? Maybe...this is when you explore other benefits each country throws at its people. Brings me back to health care. A woman in an LA had a fit/seizure. An ambulance was rung. When she recovered from it she almost died not from the seizure but from her trip to the hospital and the bills she had accumulated in her days there.

My sister inlaw (in the US) whose 4 year old son was running temp in 2012, took him to the hospital. They ran a bunch of tests on him for a few hours. She received a bill of over $4000 dollars and the boy did not even spend the night. Now this same sister inlaw of mine is Australian. Moved to America because of her husband and almost died of heart attack when she got the bill...why? because if her family remained in Australia, they wouldn't pay a dime on hospital bill. This same sister inlaw of mine who happens to be a chemical engineer would make atleast $10000 every 2 weeks in Australia. Moved to America and isn't making even half of that in a month in America. The opportunities are there but before you, thousands and millions of people are fighting. Good luck in getting heard first.

E.g in 2012. A waitress in new York earn $4.50 per hour. Little wonder they rely on tips.

E.g in 2012. A waitress in Australia is earning $25 per hour. Little wonder people do not leave tips. The few times I have left tips, they turned it down.

It is okay for you to choose the country you want or prefer but after reading your posts
I thought it wise to alert other people of the pros and cons of living in these countries before someone decides to follow your advise and cry "had I known" in the nearest future...
to some people it's so much fun saying "hey I live in America" no be for mouth alone.

No gun control in America. No one is safe. You can be in the shops and one mad man will walk in and release fire. It doesn't end in American dream. It ends in quality of life and the need to feel safe wherever you are.

Like I said you need first hand information not popular beliefs

ok.
Firstly, I know how important free healthcare is and how easy it is to get a permanent residence in Canada compared to usa that is another reason why Canada is my plan B.

Secondly, I wasn't talking about the conversion program. That can only be taken assuming you are eligible to practice as a nurse. Most times we have deficiencies which we have to go back to school to complete and that is why i talked about the one year RN to bsn program for 1 year.

Thirdly, I didnt advice anyone to choose usa. I just stated why i chose it.

MPVGoddess:
Cool. So my timing was on the mark!

Like you, I got an email from cgfns.

BUT

Still struggling with CGFNS verification.

They queried the documentation sent by the council.

The problems have to do with the nursing council back home having a policy of attaching their transcript to CGFNS documentation instead of filling the documentation the CGFNS sends.

I just hope you don't end up facing the same trouble.

Once that is cleared will be able to take the NCLEX exam

I hope i dont encounter that problem. They are yet to receive my transcripts from my school of Nursing. Is it that they compare the one from nursing council with the one from the school?

olaxmatic07:
i love to move to CNA either for tourism purpose or student visa pls i need a genuine link as I've been denied US visa countless, wasted money nd resource pls serious help is quite needed

Are you a Nurse? My guess is No, this thread can't help you with the information you are looking for. You should check the other threads on traveling to usa or Canada for study or tourism. Good luck

WellEndowed:
Countries with universal health care. Canada for instance has universal health care. Many Nigerian would choose US over Canada. Canadian passport lets you into about 173 countries visa free/visa on arrival

Have you looked into Australia? RNs earn a minimum of $31 per hour for first year graduates...more experience more money. Free health care. If you work in rural area you earn nothing less than 35 dollars (even more) per hour for first year graduate plus subsidized/free accomodation. Australian passport lets you into about 169 countries

I actually considered these countries you have listed and after giving it a long thought i decided to choose usa. I picked usa cause it has more opportunities, flexibility and the experience you get is endless. I'm not saying these things are not available in Canada or Australia i just think usa has the best of everything.

Now in Canada and Australia .. The minimum requirement to practice as a nurse is a Bsn degree in Nursing, most of us here are nursing /Midwifery school graduates thus if we decide to take this route then we have to work as an lpn which is not necessarily a bad thing by the way and then return back to school for a bscn degree. I actually prefer the Australian option since it's a year program and then you are given a BSc in Nursing but that costs a lot of money . Then there is that annoying ielts academic test you have to ace before starting the application.. Who wants to spend so much money on that test when that same money can be redirected to getting licensed in usa?
What about the living expenses in Australia? Rents are paid weekly and it's so ridiculously high!!

P.s I love Canada and it's my plan B.
Have you guys heard of omni college in Canada? They specialize in helping international nurses realize their dreams of working and living in Canada. If i had the money for tuition to spare i wouldn't think twice about it. They not only prepare us to get accustomed to their practice but also help in immigration and securing a job immediately after graduation.

MPVGoddess:
Got an email address? so I can send it to you?

I just got an email from cgfns. They have received the licence verification forms from nursing council.

Thank you. Which countries are you talking about?

MPVGoddess:
Gratefulme40 has spoken well.

I paid official fees and fees for express service. I didn't stop there. I specifically demanded that courier delivery be used and I demanded the tracking number and I entrusted someone there to act as my paid for agent to ensure all these happened.

I paid more yes, but that is the price for ensuring things work in Nigeria.

Let me assume, your case may not even have been closed at the council.

If you need a contact at the council, I can help. If not, I have let the cat out of the bag, over to you!

please i need the contact.. Thanks a lot

MPVGoddess:
Did the school use a courier with a tracking no? Or did the council use a courier with a tracking no?

Did they pass that detail to you? Then yes, if not then no!

they didn't pass any details to me, i just went to council to submit the form and pay the necessary fees. The secondary school certificate i sent to cgfns has since been received.. I don't know why my school of Nursing and nursing council is prolonging the process.

MPVGoddess:
Package sent by FEDEX from council arrived 4 days later all in April 2016.

Package sent by UPS from school arrived 4 days later all in April 2016.

Issues were raised with council's verification response by CGFNS on May 11.

Council says they are yet to receive the same and so cannot treat the query.

Between a month and 15 days to two months you should know where you stand.

And you will know because they will email you and update your account with them.

Don't waste money calling them ooo...they are pretty organized and will revert to you themselves ASAP if they have gotten it

two months is long sha but i dont have a choice. Thanks

@mpvGoddess.. How long did you wait for cgfns to receive your credentials? I sent mine on the 12th of may but they are yet to receive them.. Does it normally take this long?

whitesnowboss07:
hello house my fiancee is a bsc holder in nursing..she finished from EPS in benin republic Cotonou but there only problem is they were not giving RN registered nurse but other certificate was given..what do you think can be done?cause i want her t work in the state the only thing holding us down is just the issue of he not been registered nurse..help help asap

if she was given a certificate why wasn't she given a registered nurse license to work?

Ginaz:
when I was in school, I didn't attended any birthday or party, I never stepped out of my room after 8p.m, only time I did it's getting food for dinner or hanging around my Lodge mates rooms just for general laughter and humor.

only party I attended was my graduation party. I visited just five (5) people throughout my stay in school and only three (3) people I allowed visited. when I tell people this is what I did in school, they never believe and I don't blame them.

no girl is lose or good, everything boils down to self control. if you don't wanna live a wayward life in school then you got to get a firm hold on yourself. every bad character doesn't start in a day, before you know it, it is embedded in your personality.

I'm happy with myself how I handled everything during my schooling days. all I wanna tell some girls is that, don't throw caution to the wind, have self control in every thing you do. I'm not a good girl, but I'm trying.

we are so alike..

PreciousBro:
Sweetie do you just throw PMs randomly to any Tom,Jack and Robinson. I thought you were specific to one Almighty god-like Alpha male Libra like moi to drift you away to Venus Island with my Libran electrifying flow.

I'd like to meet you too if you are a true libra Venus goddess.Hit me up with your digits lemme call ya, when you can. .

I was sending pms to all the librans. Lol

WilliamsNedd:
Welcome home baby

thanks

PreciousBro:
Why don't you start the 'pm'ing huh ?

I actually sent a couple of pms yesterday then they told me i have sent too many anonymous mails so i couldn't send more.

Mine is libra.. I want to meet other librans.. Pm me if you are one

I'm a proud libra.. I want to meet some male librans.. Pm me

The presenter beats them all in beauty and is that tattoo on miss oyo state?

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honestpoju:
Hello people, what about someone who is not a nurse but comes from a science background, chemistry to be specific questions, but wans start a career in nursing either in USS or Canada? Where does he start from Thanks

if you have a bsc in chemistry then you can do a bridge program into nursing. It is 12 to 18 months long in usa. All you have to do is enrol in the Nursing program as a second course. Follow TheArchangel's advice and google it up then contact the school directly. You will also need to have your chemistry degree transcripts evaluated.

[quote author=gratefulme40 post=45763327][/quote]ok

javaterian:
am sorry i dont understand is her employer supposed to sponsor her?

yes. Her employer will file for her visa.

gratefulme40:
Okay....all the best. I have an employment offer with sponsorship already

wow that is great, Congratulations. Have you done your osce exam?

gratefulme40:
......hey, what's up? Where have you been hiding?

so sorry i have been away for so long. I later pursued my registration in usa. I have applied with cgfns and just waiting for them to receive my transcripts and other documents. Hopefully keeping my fingers crossed.

javaterian:
hello pls my mum is a nurse and a midwife with 20 years experience and wants to move to any available country. She's 53 years old this year, pls what's the age limit for us, uk and scotland

I don't know if there is an age limit for Nurses overseas, even if she is able to migrate abroad the problem she is going to face will be finding an employer willing to sponsor her at her age.

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@Op you forgot to add the 'I am so proud of you phrase' I use it all the time and it works wonders.