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Theblessed: Yes, so far as you and your kind that lacks morals are favoured by this nasty tradition - there's nothing you could see wrong, with Igbo tradition.

Based on that, I repeat, as long as we are entitled not to be sold into slavery by this up coming Legislation, we are also, entitled to our inheritance! The two must go, hand-in-hand because, women inheritance began in the Bible.

And, if you lot claim to be Christians, you should all emulate Christ!

He came to mediate for us in the New Covenant, righting all the wrongs of the Old Covenant (Moses law) and thus, made that law obsolete - where women are dis-inherited immediately after they got married - they hand back to the family their inheritance.

Yes, in the Old Covenant, our Most Righteous, Fair and Just God recognised the need for women to be given their inheritance as he declared in the first ever, land mark case on women inheritance in the Bible - the Zelophehad's 5 daughter's case that came up to Moses and God declared favour to them - they won their case with CONDITIONS attached that, once they got married, the inheritance revert back to the family(Numbers Chpts. 27 and 36).
And afterwards, that was wrong in the eyes of God!

Yes, some things were wrong in the Old Covenant (Moses law)!

God having considered many of these things, e.g. continuous animal sacrifices for the atonement of sins, divers laws, rules and regulation that discriminated against God's children for example in Deutronomy Chpt. 23 v. 1 - 6... KJV stipulates:

" He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord". Wow!!!

Also that," A b a s t a r d should not enter into the congregation of the Lord, even to the tenth generation (as if it was his fault he was born a b a s t a r d?).

Again,"An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter...for ever! And, one would ask, were they not God's creation and children?

As you can see, these are just few reasons, our God made a New Covenant thus condemning the the Old Covenant (Moses law). It was not appropriate therefore, the Most High God sent His beloved Only Son - Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ to come and Redeem us, and He Atone for our Salvation with His Precious Blood once and for all thus, the New Covenant condemned the Old law and made it obsolete (Hebrew Chpts. 8, 9 and 10 - NIV).

With Christ - the New Covenant was more tolerant and favourable to all mankind thus, giving us equal rights that is Fair and Just in the sight of God!

We can now, inherit from our fathers just as our brothers whether in the back garden in the village or on top of the mountain in Jericho - it doesn't matter as long as Daddy has given it to me - it is mine and I can do whatever I like with it, get it!

That's God's Will!

And, you CAINS sons of Adam said no - you must control, dominate and intimidate your sisters over their inheritance and our Fair and Righteous God will fight for us on this up coming battle in the Imo State House of Assembly - time will tell!

Just watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/b][/size]

another religious fanatic, you wan carry your papa land in village go give your oyibo husband, it wont work. you can inherit anyother thing apart from that but of course you and your children will always have access to it cus its still your home.

Kobojunkie: You and I know it is not that easy. Ofcourse people can carry palm wine jars any distance today, but we know it is not that easy. And we know the sort of taboo attached to such acts to begin with.



Culture was not created by nature, but by humans and so it is not necessarily about human nature but about rules created by elders just like the one's you have today.

Equality talk was to your comment that the males and females are seen as humans in this culture. How can that be true if the rules that apply to one human does not apply to the other on the bases of gender? That there is clear indication that some humans are second-class according to the culture hence unequal. We know the man gets to buy, the man gets to inherit, and the woman gets what? You still haven't answered that question.

Sure, but the culture does not openly discourage it either, so it remains a big problem, so much so that even Educated women find themselves in hell as a result of that culture.

There are about 2 50-something-year-old women still seeking to have male children so they can get some of that wealth they worked hard with their husbands to acquire over the years. The one who is not even a Nigerian, her husband has about 6 boys with other women and so this woman is tortured each day that her hardwork might end up in the hands of women who her husband cheated on her with. Imagine that kind of torture.

mischief maker you have started again, i have never heard that a woman that worked hard, build a house and owned peoperties either by her self or combined with the husband lost those properties because she is a woman , unless those properties dont have documents and the courts no longer function . stop this your mischief its getting annoying.its as simple as abcd, .in cases where the woman could not produce a male child then its something that man and his elders have to discus what to do . in the olden days the man would have married another wife but igbo tradition being fair to women these days the man cant even freely marry another wife without wahala unlike other tradition like hausas and yorubas even oyibos you try so much to copy can still get away with it and i blame igbos taking christianity to the extreme for this.

Rhino.5dm:
Nothing will happen. Ibo people are cowards.

in this case the fulanis are the real cowards for killing unarmed teenager and running away.am sure you know the real meaning of cowards after all you are yoruba.

abouzaid: The fulani herdsmen fled the community at night but i don't think this is over for them yet.

thats what they are known for , hit and run but trust me heads will roll as usual.

One_Naira: Na wa ooo!!! Every thread, every f2king thread on this website, people have to turn it tribal. Every thread tribalist have to show up and say sh1t, despite having zero knowledge of the information they speak of, they would rather continue shouting as if na gospel them come sing. Don't ya'll get tired of it? SMH, SMFH. I am definitely getting tired of this sh1t, mschweee.

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I read someone mention Imo state girls aren't getting married due to the high bride prices. Is this true or just another NL non-reality claiming?
I know plenty of non-Imo men married to Imo women.

its just nairaland fantasies.

that girl is cunning and a smooth criminal , she belongs in kirikiri smh. why would a girl go out on a date without her purse? rule number one always have your vex money(enough money to cover up for whatever you will eat) and enough transport money with you when going on a date . naija girls sha.

berem: I dunno my bride price.that's between my dad and my hubby.in Orlu where I come from,bride price isn't much.it depends on what both in laws agree on.but meeehn! I fear Mbaise and Mbano people.dem go carry gold medal for bride pricing!

i know orlu axis, akokwa, arondizuogu area dont have issues but then nobody have yet to confirm what the so called high bride price in mbaise and some parts of imo is. even within villages it varries . well let the imo traditional rulers decide.

Kobojunkie: Surprised about what? That I know of issues that also concern women of ibo decent?

for the fact you keep writting igbo as ibo shows you know nothing, shut up and learn from people that pratice igbo traditiong every Bleep,,ing day of their life you irritating troll.

Theblessed: [size=16pt]Listen, you're living in cuckoo land with regards to Igbo traditions!

The women who are living the realities of this unfair system are informing you of their every day experiences and you're here arguing blindly.

Yes, "Idu Ulo" is an ancient Igbo tradition, and not all clans, hamlets and families are respecting it, in this present time hence, the suffering of these women.

Also, [b]it is an Igbo tradition, for a father when he is alive to allocate any of his village land - I repeat, any of his village land (not those in towns, not shares etc) if he wishes, to his first daughter mainly - whether married or not, and no one dares take it from her - lai, lai, lai!

But these days, the son's would take it from her - is it not our culture and shouldn't we 'Uphold' it?

Now tell me, how many clans, hamlets and families are respecting that, today None, and you are here promoting respect for Igbo traditions, the ones you chose, abi?

We only have to respect those ones that favours you and your clans men, abi??

In that case, all Igbo traditions should now, be reviewed and quick to stop these injustices...!

Imaine, you come here to inform me about our traditions - I am "Ada na Nne and Nna" and you can't tell me about my culture![/size][/b]

ok so now you agree with me its up to the father to decide? why have you been shouting here all this while. go and talk to your father and sibblings and stop disturbing this thread. what you inherit from your father have nothing to do with igbo tradition however most fathers wont give their daughters land in the village cus its reserve for furture generation , if you give them to your daughter and lets say when she dies will the land go back to the mans family abi it belongs to the husband of the daughter? to avoid such controversies in the future igbo men dont usually give their daugther village land inheritance, they can have any other thing including lands and houses in the cities. i hate repeating myself cant you even see the logic behind it.

berem: Nice idea from the Imo state house of assembly.our imo women don suffer! I guess my hubby will need to collect his balance from my dad when the bride price is fixed.lol!

how much was your bride price? not the price of the whole marriage ceremony oo

Kobojunkie: Like I said, if you no clue, stop yapping!

see the most confused nairalander talking about yapping . come let me teach you sweet igbo traditions. i was born raised , schoole and now working in igboland and know my culture like abcd.

Kobojunkie: a) You admit high bride price was even a problem. Clearly it is and that is why these state elders are coming together to device a solution.

b) ies[b]Clearly you are not aware of the inheritance issues that many women have to deal, in many cases as a result of their becoming considered second class because they were essentially bought into their new famil[/b].

Why are you still yapping?

my friend go and sit down , inheritance of properties depend on your fathers will, it has nothing to do with igbo culture besides women are ususally given properties during idunno (depending on how wealthy the father is) .i have attended weddings including my sisters weddings where the woman idunno list consisted of mansions in enugu , abuja,lagos, brand new cars, millions of naira , boxes of assorted cloths, share certificetes etc but like i said if your talking about land in village home forget it it going to the male children

Theblessed: [size=16pt]Thanks!

This is what I mean!!!!!!!!! The two issues are inter-linked - BRIDE PRICE and INHERITANCE!

Igbo daughters are sold to suffer at their husbands place without consideration.

[b]If their inheritances are sorted out before they leave their father's house to theirs husbands, all the financial hardship and suffering they encounter at their husbands home, would be minimal.

So, that's the issue the Imo State of Assembly and the great Ohaneze Ndi Igbo should look into, now.
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do you know what idunno (marriage send off)is in igboland ? if you dont go and find out what it is and what they do there. incase you dont know whether your married or not in igboland you are still your father daughter and part of umuada in your fathers village. you cannot inherit your father land or house in the village as a woman because it will automatically become your husbands property(unless theres no male son to carry on the familys name that is why male children are a big deal in igboland) however you can inherit cash and properties, cars ,shares in cities.

Kobojunkie: Please stop yapping of things you know nothing of!!

and what is it i yapped about?

Abagworo: The funny thing is that all my life I've never seen a bride price that exceeded one 1k. Never! I have 3 married sisters and dozens of other married female relatives that I participated in their traditional weddings. I think it seems to be poor people that inflate bride price or want to profit from their daughter's marriage.

me too am just reading it on nairaland , even my uncle that married from imo did not pay up to that. i think its just mischief that are behind all this. the expensive part of wedding in igboland and around the world are the ceremonies and not the bride price and that is where cutting your coat according to your size comes in.

Theblessed: [size=16pt]Lai, Lai, Lai!

Generally, Igbo women are dis-inherited and it is a well known fact in Nigeria and Africa.

You are coming from another planet of Igbo land - you hadn't penetrated and don't understand the culture.

Your friend father is one in a Million and her brothers are very kind - wait until their Papa dies then, you will know if their brothers/wives/children are kind!

Most affected by this urgly tradition, will equally argue this out with you. [/size]

if your talking about inheriting land or the house in your village then that will never happen because you cannot take their heritage to another man especially if your husband is a foreigner. as for properties in cities, cash , company share etc that depends entirely on your father and the type of family you have. if theres any group that enjoys their fathers wealth the most in nigeria its igbo women, if your having problems withing your family try to solve it and dont tag it as an igbo problem.

Kobojunkie: N100,000 bride price in Nigeria is symbolic? Really? So, all those men who I have heard claim they OWN their wives or paid a lot for them are talking SYMBOLICALLY too? Nevermind . . . I should really learn to stop expecting so much from some of y'all on here.

if a community decides their bride price is 100k so what , in my villa it is 5 thousand naira while the neighbouring villa is 600 naira , whatever the amount is it is symbolic cus most times we return it to the inlaws. like i said stop crying or commenting on something you know nothing about. bride price have never stopped any man , rich or oor from marrying an imo lady ,there are both rich ,middle class and poor people in imo and they are all getting married.

Theblessed: Tell them that I said, they should also fix the family INHERITANCES for all children born in a marriage, in Igbo land - MALE and FEMALE, ok!

Because cultural injustices perpetrated on Igbo daughters, are too much and it's got to stop - it is evil!

Igbo daughters are dis-inherited from their own fathers wealth e.g land, properties, Ngwu i.e. Palm trees, Ngwo i.e. Tombo trees, kola trees from the moment they married etc, why?

Are we not our father daughters just like our brothers are his sons? And why, should marriage deprive us of our 'Birth rights' when the sons themselves keep everything, and will go and bring a woman from another family to take over our inheritance, in the name of being married into the family?

It is unfair!

I need my own inheritance to take to my husbands place to look after my children, just as my brothers are doing with theirs and I ask, what's wrong with that?

And for those who would argue, what would a woman do with land, properties, Palm, Tombo and Kola trees respectively?

I say, sell them all to the highest bidder and take the money to establish yourself at your husbands for the benefit of your children and their own wives should do the same and bring their own inheritances to their husbands house to establish themselves for their children - that is fair!

For most Igbo daughters, the most painful thing is that, should your mother/father become ill, the brothers will abandon the responsibility on their sisters who are married away - yes, they don't want the responsibility but they want the rights.

Look, Rights and Responsibility goes hand in hand - you can't have one without the other.

Why call the sisters? Why can your wives whom our inheritances had been give to, care for our parents and leave us alone, to care for our parent in-laws where we are married to, why not?

It is fair that way!

Even some girls from well-to-do families, may fell in love with a poor man and married him and, that's the end of her inheritance. She will then begin a life of struggle, poverty and suffering with her children at her matrimonial home where as her brothers and their wives and children are all, swimming in luxury in her own father's house - how could that be right?

Now, you put up the above topic for discussion here please, go tell them to look into all these unfair ancient and obsolete laws and do something with them, in this 21st Century.

Igbo daughters, are not happy about these issues and are seriously discussing about them in their respective locations via all communication technologies - one day, they will hear from us, about these injustices - tell them!

your father decides who gets what, it has nothing to do with culture or elders. i know lots of igbo women that inherited a lot from their father, besides theres an igbo tradition called idunno , when you marry your family gives you properties, share of inheritance etc depending on how wealthy they are, my sisters got plots of land, houses, cars etc and they are direct heirs to my mums properties most of which she inherited from her mother and father and some she earned during within her marriage with my dad so stop this your cries and talk to your father about it.

no igbo man watches his daughter suffer in her marriage unless he is poor or a saddist or they warned you not to marry the man and you disobeyed them and went ahead.

sapien: It's about time!There's even one in my street,her husband batters her mercilessly.Each time she went home after every battering,her parents sent her back with immediate alacrity.Reason she gave was because of the heavy bride price that had been collected from her husband.She can't just go back!I seriously wish the man will not kill her one of these days.Imagine a man beating his wife with iron rod and sending her out late at night,after three kids?

your foolsh for this, so in your mind all the cases of wife battery in nigeria , africa and even around the world are because of the bride price the men paid, what of u.s, caribbean and places where baby mama are common and their men abuse their women is it also beause of bride price? how about women that beat, abuse or even kill their husbands, is it also because of bride price? this is why the average IQ of nigerians is below 70.

Solozzo: Yes you said it all and so boldly.

People should demonstrate self determination and emancipate themselves from mental slavery. ibo men be brave. Marry your beloved ibo girl in churches outside iboland, and shun these elders. Ibo girls be brave. Follow the man you love to an altar, get govt marriage certificates live your life with the man you love, and damn these slave dealers called the ummunna. Be brave!!!

why should they listen to someone that stil writes igbo as ibo?

Kobojunkie: Are you sure you are responding to the right person? I am actually against the real prices placed on HUMAN BEINGS. I would prefer a symbolic price rather than a REAL PRICE as that is what all this remains.

After hearing three or four nimrods describe their wives as properties, you get the sense that something is wrong when people pay a monetary price for another human being.

stop this your mischief , what do you mean by prices placed on human beings, please go somewhere else and marry if have a problem with igbo traditional marriage, tell me which part of nigeria , africa or the world where bride prices are not paid.? you like arguing a lot on simple matters. bride price is symbolic every where including igboland and some communities return it after you have paid it ,stop this your mischief. and yes a wife is the husbands property just as husbands are their wives property , do have a problem with that?
as for abuse there are authorities, families,village elders, police even friends etc that are there to address abuse in marriages.

Kobojunkie: Let me guess, you believe that the South East does not have similar issue? Nigerians ehn!!! BLINDNESS and IGNORANCE!!! Divorce and single mothers full everywhere in Nigeria, even Hausas are not exempt. And Please do not come back to tell me that an Abandoned woman is better than a divorced woman.

why are crying for south east okada people, masons, welders, low payin job people all marry from imo state. if you really want a wife from imo you will get her, bride price have never stopped anybody from marrying an imo lady of his choice.

bittyend: I'm not turning 'Igbo customs and traditions upside down' - I'm just advocating for a change that would make women have more self-respect, and enable the groom to 'respect' the bride. If we want to advocate for our culture(s) to be in its pure form - then we've to go back to the days when yam, kolanut, and farm products were used for bride price, not the millions of naira they're ripping people off nowadays... I definitely would pay with yam, palm oil, and kolanuts - since that was the REAL BRIDE PRICE when our ancestors were on this planet!!! The gods love yam, palm oil, palm wine, kolanut etc - not money!

The culture itself has been manipulated by greedy people - and it's either we take it back to the way our ancestors did their thing - or do away with it, period..

Let's take it back to our ancestors!!

professor of igbo culture go and tackle the alarming rate of divorce and children born out of welock in yorubaland , thsi thread is not for you.

avalontony: omogi!!!? bride price for imo na something else o!!!thats why i no d follow imo babes, but anambra babes scarce o!!!! na only imo me d see o!!! abeg make them reduce price.

i thought am the only one that have noticed that, anambra women are really scarce except in enugu shaa, imo girls full everywhere.

bittyend: To be honest, if I ever get married to an Igbo girl - I won't pay a dime... Why should I pay to get married? GTFOH with that bs - some of the stone age bs in our cultures need to thrown in the bin...

why stress yourself to start with , am sure your comfortable with the baby mam lifestyle there in the u.k.is it a must to marry an igbo woman

By Abdulwahab Abdulah

Oodua Peoples Congress, OPC, had said that recent events in the country were pointers to an imminent disintegration, urging the Federal Government to do something immediately to save the country from collapse.

The group has also accused the leadership of Central Bank of Nigeria, CBN, of operating discriminatory monetary policy, with the on-going cashless economy in Lagos, without extending same to other parts of the country.
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President of OPC, Dr. Frederich Fasehun, who addressed newsmen in Lagos, raised alarm that the unresolved problems of Boko Haram; the threat of the group to President Goodluck Jonathan; corruption and the economicy policy of CBN under the leadership of Malam Sanusi Lamido Sanusi were issues that are capable of breaking up a country.

He said, “We are all aware of these unholy facts in our national life. But we seem un-bothered about what happens to Nigeria, the Black man’s potential superpowers. Everybody seems to want to stop Nigeria from jumping out of this trouble boat. Everybody is thinking of his interest above national interest. Nobody seems genuinely committed to the unity of Nigeria.

“The factors that unite civilised people in developed countries today have served to disunite us and destroy our country. The lack of respect for the country percolates down the entire system. There is no more respect for our institutions. We carry on like culture less barbarians,” he said.

He called on Nigerians to review their contributions “to this disharmonious situation and pull country back from the brinks. No country has ever survived two civil wars. We have experienced one. Another civil war will be Nigeria’s Armageddon.”

On the cashless policy, Fasehun condemned CBN decision, noting that it was aimed at weaken the economy of the Southwest.

He queried why the monetary policy applicable to Lagos was not applicable to Abuja and Kano, ‘a renowned commercial centre.”

“Mallam Sanusi, Governor of CBN, who introduced a so-called cashless policy that he dares not import to his home in the North, has achieved the aim of his paymasters, to slow down this region economically. And we sounded the alarm when this policy first came on stream. Now we have a cashless policy, which cannot be implemented in Kano or Abuja, being rammed down the throat of the nation’s economic hub in Lagos.”

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/08/nigeria-faces-imminent-disintegration-if-fasehun/

they no born sanusi to bring that policy to onitsha, aba or ph, until we have confirmed 6 months steady power supply ,better and fast internet connections that dont suddenly go offline for a whole day and citizen database with finger prints and photos it wont work.

ondo_boi: only if you havent been to the Abakpa nike of enugu. Enugu ought to be regarded as the dustbin of the nation.
@OP...i totally disagree

abakpa might be the bad part of enugu but it is still better than many of those shanties and ghettos all around lagos.

illori and offa plus kogi going......going......gone

what of oil and gas from imo , will federal government also stop collecting tax and oil money from imo?

fstranger8: Ode! What difference does it make. All Bankoles are thieves; Dimeji Bankole, Bankole W, Bankole Omisore. They are all Bank thieves. Forget mater jare!

lmfao coincidence maybe