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 Education / Re: Economics Or Engineering?? Please Kindly Advice. by baum1: 4:55pm On Jul 08, 2018 |
asuustrike2009: Guy, your post sounds funny to me. I am telling you reality that I know very well, you're talking about something else. The way it works in economics is that you can do a master's and a PhD in economics without having taken any undergraduate course in economics. The mathematics needed in all areas of economics is NOT basic if you really want to go deep into some areas of economics. This is why foreign universities love people with quantitative background and will give them scholarships to study economics that they had no prior background in. I myself I am an economist (full economist) and have taught economics at all levels. The best students at graduate levels, from my experience, in economics are the ones with non economics BSc or BSc in economics and a quantitative subject. I and most of my current friends and colleagues never did economics at BSc level. However, we were accepted to do economics at higher levels at various universities. This is not restricted to the small sample of me and my friends. It is true across Europe and North America that I know very well about. Not that I need to convince you or have you believe the fact I'm presenting, you are free to hold your views. However, I believe someone will see this post, make further enquiries and learn something. That's what matters. You make me laugh when you say basic aspect of math. Economics uses different types of mathematics. To do economics at a high level, solid math foundation is required, especially if you do theoretical economics. That's why these top foreign schools like and want people with quantitative background, with or without economics, to study economics at graduate level. The economics knowledge can be picked up. I picked it up after 1 year. Others can do it in one year or less. There is no need to debate for the sake of it. I very much know what I am saying and have been in this business for a long time. I am only here offering advice, though this indeed will be my last post because it appears there is no need. Hopefully, someone informed and has insights outside the shores of naija will see this and reiterate what I'm saying. The same is true for finance. You can study economics or finance at graduate level with a BSc in a quantitative field, with or with economics or finance content. Although this may not be true in Nigeria, it is certainly true in Europe and North America. And yes, I did mention inviting top BSc math students to contact me if they want to study economics and other courses at a good school in Europe and North America. This is still open. I have been doing it on nairaland since 2014. I will chose from them and help them. I can't help everyone. 1 Like |
| Education / Re: See This Wonderful WAEC Result. The Best So Far! by baum1: 4:09pm On Jul 08, 2018 |
ChuksEpells: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. You make me seriously laugh. It sounds as the way we used to say ''no one can graduate with a 5.0 GPA'' until young people proved it again, again and again. It is over possible! Some people will be exceptional, others will be average and others will be in between. That's life. |
| Education / Re: See This Wonderful WAEC Result. The Best So Far! by baum1: 4:06pm On Jul 08, 2018 |
TheLawTheLegal: Hello, I want to meet this boy. I will not let this result go. I want to dash him something as an encouragement.. But, he must be from a public school and not from a rich home. Does he meet these criteria? If yes, connect me to him ASAP. |
| Education / Re: Economics Or Engineering?? Please Kindly Advice. by baum1: 3:20pm On Jul 08, 2018 |
asuustrike2009: Chief, in case you didn't know (although I did my best to be explicit but sorry if I failed), I was never referring to a Nigerian university for graduate studies. Some of our requirements are out of touch with current reality. My advise to anybody has always been ''blast BSc with top grades and leave Nigeria for top schools abroad with full scholarships''. As this place is anonymous, let me boast that we have supported 5 or 6 people here on Nairaland to achieve this....With a BSc in math or statistics, some of them have gone on to do graduate studies in economics at very good European universities without having taken prior courses in economics. These people are fully funded,so it's not a case of ''dem want your money that's why dem dey take you''. It's more of the fact that these people see value in these non economic disciplines and are ready to fund it. In fact, one from another place just got a PhD position in economics in north america. His BSc was in a quantitative field in the physical sciences. All fully funded. Another top 20 UK school, BSc from a quantitative area of the physical sciences. The schools accepting these people are obviously not inferior to naija schools. The sad fact is that anyone from any field can become professionals in business/social science areas if they are interested. In fact, I know of someone - BSc Computer Science, MSc Computer Science, PhD Psychology,loool. I'm sure this will never happen in Nigeria. The strategy I articulated earlier still works till tomorrow. You don't need economics BSc to become an economist, and this strategy is not directed at those hoping to do graduate studies in Nigeria. I completely agree with you that in Nigeria, it may be impossible to do graduate studies in economics without a BSc in economics. Just looooool. I was curious some years ago and went to one of the schools in Nigeria and told them I wanted to do a PhD in Finance..Oh, they said ''you're not qualified because your foundation is not business or finance, so you can't do PhD finance''. Looooooooool. I thought they had upgraded, but realized they still had that practice from that response they gave. Amazing. All my long posts are to educate anyone who wishes to listen to current reality and take advantage of available opportunities. I realize many people are unaware of things and I think having seen many things in education and professional work, it will be unfortunate if I don't drop some of my insights once in a while as I'm doing.. 1 Like |
| Education / Re: Economics Or Engineering?? Please Kindly Advice. by baum1: 1:35pm On Jul 08, 2018 |
asuustrike2009: I keep responding and responding. Me sef. Ok, so they still have this requirement? In my view, the appropriate requirements to enter economics at BSc level should be Math/Econs/English and any other subjects. I'm not especially sure why they mandate subjects like commerce/government etc. In this regard, I want to believe the private schools should be wiser and more flexible, though I'm not sure. That said, he may not be able to enter BSc economics as you've said, because of the funny requirements. However, if the boy decides it is economics he wants to do, he can easily become one. How? Simply study a quantitative BSc (and perhaps take elective courses in the micro and macro sequence), then do a master's in economics (if he does very, very well in the quantitative BSc, he will get full scholarship for master's in economics) and then do a PhD in economics if he is a very ambitious boy (which I think he is by looking at his WAEC and JAMB). He can achieve all these at age 28, max. i.e. he is 17 now, BSc 4 years, NYSC 1 year, Master's 1 year, PhD 5 years max, 17+4+1+1+5=28.. Then he will have most of the skills he needs to function as an economist at any level. This is assuming he really wants to become an economist. My point is that it is ''very, very possible''. Meanwhile, top economics programmmes abroad, the kind that the madam OP would wish her son to attend at some point even if it's not for BSc because of the cost, are keen to admit and fully fund bright students with quantitative degrees who are interested in economics. This does not mean that BSc economics people won't get favour..It just means that economics at the higher level can be very quantitative. And in good programmes in the US/UK, it can even be seriously more quantitative and very tough. That's why the best preparation for higher study in economics, in my view, is to have a BSc in economics and a quantitative subject - the so called double honours. Regarding job opportunities for full economists, lol, it's among the best in the world. If you find yourself at a global bank working as an economist or some other related areas, the career can be financially rewarding..I don't know of other rewards sha. Some people might hate their jobs. |
| Education / Re: Economics Or Engineering?? Please Kindly Advice. by baum1: 1:07pm On Jul 08, 2018 |
Gerrard59: Chief, thanks. No, we are not..Though we run our own scholarship scheme for studying in Nigeria (BSc level or less) and there are very strict requirements for granting the scholarship. Also, our support system for graduate studies is really expensive, it's not free. But once in a while I just come on nairaland to see one or two people I can assist, but they can't be too many, otherwise business go begin fall and other mentors may begin vex. We don't want to lose such very high quality mentors. Sorry, we don't have solid insights into Asia (our experience is limited to EU/UK/USA), though I must say that we have two people from NUS - one was an assistant professor there (but got her degree from Columbia) and later left to join a team of quantitative risk professionals who support some portfolio managers based in the US and elsewhere; the other one completed a PhD in statistics and left Singapore...In general, my personal knowledge of Singapore or Asian top schools is unfortunately limited, so I can't offer much. But I understand the Asian schools are really rising in ranking and are even attracting some solid researchers from the US. That's a good thing. |
| Education / Re: Economics Or Engineering?? Please Kindly Advice. by baum1: 12:53am On Jul 08, 2018 |
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| Education / Re: Economics Or Engineering?? Please Kindly Advice. by baum1: 12:46am On Jul 08, 2018 |
InansBobo: I had actually exited this thread..But your post got me thinking. I do not hate engineering, loooool. I was only money conscious when I was a small teenage boy and figured out I could make serious money from studying other courses and using my science IQ in a non-science field. lol. It worked out eventually..When I was younger, my utility was an increasing function of money. And since education was the only way through which I could make it, I decided to do something more unconventional. I didn't want to move with gbogboero. Abi tell me why I should have spent 5 years+ studying an undergraduate course when I could study for 4 years, make some moves here and there and start getting good money, lol. See, omo oba, study your engineering and do well there. If this will make you happy, I've a cousin and friends' brothers/friends who are engineers and earn 24-30million per year from those oil companies in Nigeria...But how many engineers will enter there? I figured I could get some level of success by taking a different route, and it paid off..To each his own sha. Read your engineering and make sure your CGPA is not less than 4.5. The closer to 5.0, the better. You will get opportunities. For mentoring, look for a successful person who studied engineering to mentor you. I unfortunately don't have any value to offer you. But you can come back to me when you have gotten the top grades. Then I can help you. This is my hobby. |
| Education / Re: Economics Or Engineering?? Please Kindly Advice. by baum1: 2:15pm On Jul 07, 2018 |
BrightForYou: Good luck. Send an email. |
| Education / Re: Economics Or Engineering?? Please Kindly Advice. by baum1: 2:07pm On Jul 07, 2018 |
BrightForYou: Did you read the part where my post stated that this "This forum is anonymous, so no one will put a face to your results''? Anyway, I already suspected your above results. I've lots of experience dealing with young people like you and I was once young too  . But I won't put you aside. I've seen instances where C students went on the university, worked crazily hard and made an impressive first class, not just oriyomi first class. Perhaps the C was because they attended a secondary school which did not give them a chance to realize their full potentials.You can send me an email and we will start the mentor/mentee relationship and I will do my best to answer all of your questions. I believe it will be a beneficial relationship. But - I set academic targets for my mentees, every semester, and the targets must be achieved. The target is a GPA of between 4.8-5.00 every semester at the university. You also get gifts for attaining this GPA. Current gift is 55K naira per month. We run a company that funds the provision of the gift. Any mentee that gives stories of ''oh, this course is hard or our professor does not give an A, that's why I can't meet the target, such mentee may lose their positions. We have over 30 mentors around the world. Very solid solid people with the highest possible degree that is obtainable at the university level. So to work with you, you go good oooh. You go work hard for your academics oooh. But the benefits are good! In fact, if your GPA nears the perfect 5.0 upon graduation (i.e. A's in 98% of your courses), we provide support to attend the very best universities in the world - think Harvard, Oxford, Princeton, MIT, Cambridge, etc. Send me an email and I will ask you more detailed, uncomfortable questions  . But overall, you have a lot to gain, and it's even better that you're just starting your university journey..You don't have any bad university baggage. It will all be in your favour.3 Likes |
| Education / Re: Economics Or Engineering?? Please Kindly Advice. by baum1: 2:05pm On Jul 07, 2018 |
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| Education / Re: Economics Or Engineering?? Please Kindly Advice. by baum1: 1:47pm On Jul 07, 2018 |
Colourich: Lol. Does anyone say economics is easy? My best students in economics have mathematics/science backgrounds. The best economists came from mathematics/statistics/physics and sometimes engineering. Anyone might feel frustrated with economics, not only science students...But empirically, the best economists were scientist. I will give examples to support my position if you push the discussion. For now, let me rest the case. Sorry to anyone who did economics at BSc, but my general advise is never to study only economics at BSc if someone wants to become a full economist (PhD economics) in the future. A BSc in economics alone does not give the required foundation. I know. However, things like economics AND statistics/mathematics, mathematics/statistics, physics and even engineering are a better foundation for studying economics at a higher level. And by the way, having seen most (not all sha) economics at all levels, I'd like to let you know that economics is not more of graphs. The graphs are required to build intuition, and I appreciate that in our profession, but those graphs are driven by mathematical theories which some rigorous economics programmes teach. I understand that not all economics programmes are rigorous, but that does not mean that economics is more of graph when taught or studied. Meanwhile, do you work with your economics degree? 3 Likes |
| Education / Re: Economics Or Engineering?? Please Kindly Advice. by baum1: 1:25am On Jul 07, 2018 |
BrightForYou: Hi, I'm not sure if you do not know what I meant by academic achievements even when I gave a hint or if you dodged my questions..In any case, let me be specific. To display your academic achievement means to tell me that 1) in years so so so, I did WAEC and got the following grades in the following subjects and 2) in year so so so so, I did JAMB and got the following scores in the following subject. That's the academic achievement I wanted from you. Not your history and struggles to enter the university as you have stated. I'm happy to mentor you, but I need to know what you have achieved so far in your academics. Meanwhile, math is a very competitive course to study. It's just that most people are ignorant, and that is a good thing for people like you. Unfortunately, people at Unilag and Ife are now opening eyes and because of this, the cut off for math has been going up. I hope math is not 5 years at RSUST? |
| Education / Re: Economics Or Engineering?? Please Kindly Advice. by baum1: 2:29pm On Jul 06, 2018 |
Babayoutoomuch: Hello Madam, You're welcome. With every respect, my email is there for you to contact me if you wish. |
| Education / Re: Economics Or Engineering?? Please Kindly Advice. by baum1: 2:00pm On Jul 06, 2018 |
BrightForYou: Hey Remove my email from the post you responded to, please. Write it down before you do so. Thanks Share your academic achievements and the school you want to do the math |
| Education / Re: Economics Or Engineering?? Please Kindly Advice. by baum1: 1:58pm On Jul 06, 2018 |
Peter5694: I'm not saying somebody shouldn't read engineering. But I do not agree that he is more suitable for engineering. Yes, engineering is one of the courses he is suitable for, not more suitable as it's hard to decide the ''more'' in this instance. Look at the results again. The boy also did well in economics and math and others. Engineering should only be done if the boy is really keen on this. Otherwise no need. And it's not a brainpower matter. One of the regrets that my brother has till today is deciding to study engineering (coincidentally the same mechanical engineering) in 1990 when he should have done a 4 year course like physics or math and moved ahead with his life. I do agree that others might have a different positive story. In fact, my cousin who studied the same engineering some years later is now a big boy at one of those oil companies raking in millions upon millions, so no two situations are the same. But as I said, in a scenario like this where a child appears to be talented in several areas, either they go with the child's desire or they suggest something that can help the child get an even better outcome. In my view, only medicine is worth the number of years of dedicated studies. The other 5 or 6 - year courses, well I do not think they are worth the time, but this is my view sha. I, for example, if you see my O'level, you will also say I'm suitable for engineering. In fact, my friends went for engineering, but I did something unconventional and went for one of those courses where people will say ''you wan become secondary school teacher''. Lol. I'm an economist today and it turned out that my decision nearly 20 years ago was fantastic, an optimal one. And praise God for that. My elder bro thinks I made a great decision avoiding engineering. Lol. I no say make person no study engineering oo. My argument is that a solid future can come faster from other fields. I've hammered too much on this matter. Normally, thousands are paid for my consulting, but see me giving it free here, likely to go unnoticed because it's free. But no wahala. Hopefully, what I've said will help someone. Good luck to the boy in question. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Education / Re: Economics Or Engineering?? Please Kindly Advice. by baum1: 1:30pm On Jul 06, 2018 |
BrightForYou: Good. It's not scary. It's one of the best fields out there. But you need to get a first class. If you're good at math, this is very possible. Display your academic achievements so far. This forum is anonymous, so no one will put a face to your results. We can take it from there after this. |
| Education / Re: Look At This Boys Outstanding WSSCE Result(photo) by baum1: 2:12am On Jul 06, 2018 |
ItzChinnex: Haha. In this one's mind, someone cannot be outstanding. Lol at nothing but expo. Better go and read your book hard and smart |
| Education / Re: WAEC 2018 Results: Check And Tell Us About Yours by baum1: 12:53am On Jul 06, 2018 |
ROSYL: Nice results. I am giving a gift of 50K to any public school student who gets at least 7A1s. If you know any, have them reach me! 1 Like |
| Education / Re: Look At This Boys Outstanding WSSCE Result(photo) by baum1: 12:51am On Jul 06, 2018 |
PROFdanmike: Tell this boy to contact me. I have 50K Naira for him! That's my gift for his heroics. 1 Like |
| Education / Re: Economics Or Engineering?? Please Kindly Advice. by baum1: 12:40am On Jul 06, 2018 |
Babayoutoomuch: Hello Madam, Congrats!. See result and you're saying the father is scared of something? I don't agree. Your boy seems to be solid at maths and his result is good as you said! Plus further maths, that's great. If he likes math or statistics, let him study Math or Statistics at the university. Once he gets a first class at the university, sky is the limit. Then he can go for economics later at very big schools and make big money in the future, lol. Mathematics or statistics gives a solid foundation. I'm serious, I can mentor your son. He seems bright to me, provided he did the exam himself. Please ask your boy to send me an email - . I will mentor him, and he will be great, God willing!NB - forget engineering (not because he doesn't have the ability to do it), unless your boy is really keen on doing it. If what you people seek is for him to succeed in the future through education, and irrespective of the course, then there are faster ways to achieve this. 1 Like |
| Education / Re: WAEC Releases 2018 WASSCE Results: How To Check by baum1: 1:25pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
opera1: Nice result Opera, well done. Congrats |
| Education / Re: WAEC Releases 2018 WASSCE Results: How To Check by baum1: 11:40pm On Jul 04, 2018 |
Femimedical: Lol. You mean I sound like a 17 year old WAEC student? Lol. I'm flattered! I first did a WAEC exam nearly 20 years ago. |
| Celebrities / Re: Lies: Duncan Mighty Denied By Nigerian Military School (Press Release) by baum1: 9:43pm On Jul 04, 2018 |
blackaxe78: No mind am, some people fit open mouth, you know we all have one. We're grateful to the Nigerian troops who have sacrificed so much for Nigeria. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Education / Re: WAEC Releases 2018 WASSCE Results: How To Check by baum1: 8:52pm On Jul 04, 2018 |
Decline: Indeed, you're correct. But there are online articles saying it is released. That's why I had to agree. Perhaps WAEC has not updated its site? |
| Education / Re: WAEC Releases 2018 WASSCE Results: How To Check by baum1: 8:40pm On Jul 04, 2018 |
Zico5: This is a significant improvement from the GCE of last year. Pass rate increased by almost 24 percentage points. That's nearly double the September 2017 GCE pass rate of 26%. Time for us to check. I set a target of 9A1s for the family member who did it and hope they meet target or get something close. Meanwhile, if anyone on nairaland gets 9A1s, I have a 50K gift for the person. The first two people (nairalanders) that get 9A1s and contact me will get 50K each.. 3 Likes |
| Education / Re: WAEC Releases 2018 WASSCE Results: How To Check by baum1: 4:14pm On Jul 04, 2018 |
BaBaMike: Imagine how this poster made me to start calling my sister to ask her child to check results when WAEC has not officially declared result. |
| Career / Re: 10 Things To Never Say To Your Boss by baum1: 2:12pm On Jul 04, 2018 |
FRANKOSKI: Then how do you grow if you don't show talent? LOL |
| Education / Re: WAEC Releases 2018 WASSCE Results: How To Check by baum1: 1:47pm On Jul 04, 2018 |
Is this result really out? This is not stated on WAEC's website! 2 Likes |
| Education / Re: Lady Who Tried Committing Suicide Over Admission, Celebrates Her Graduation by baum1: 1:52pm On Jul 02, 2018 |
africanusvu: You funny ghannn, no be small. She is getting a job of minimum total wage, £35K. If she venture enter finance industry or tech, this grows to £60K minimum. That na entry level, analyst 1. |
| Jobs/Vacancies / Re: "N300k Job Or I Won't Work" - Slay Queen, Chinny Okekki (Photos) by baum1: 1:48pm On Jul 02, 2018 |
massmediang: I have a job for you and can pay you 350 actually. We currently have a staff who earns around that. But, do you have the skills? Lol. The skills no be to show body oo or slay. Na real skills developed through taking tasks seriously for years. Lol. See this one. Oya make we hear the skills you get |
| Sports / Re: Pele Lauds Mbappe For Equaling His 60-year-old Record At World Cup 2018 by baum1: 1:42pm On Jul 02, 2018 |
Kennydoc: Africa ke, lol but they did before, in 1998, with players mostly of african roots, but who are europeans by birth |
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