ElChidi:
1st class is now worthless in Nigerian schools
www.elchidisblog.com

Na lie. It's not worthless.

tete7000:



But its quite bad that the ratio of 2.1 to. Third class is almost 1. It shows that culture of excellence in our society is diminishing.

Weh don. Exactly the way I wanted these guys to look at it..Look at the ratio or proportion. Not magnitude. Don't say oo, first class increased from X to Y so the standards have fallen. Look ratio

decatalyst:
This one pass me I beg

All in the name of hustle/greener pastures? U carry ur self board plane enter INDIA come arrangiee wedding with your blood sis? Wait, Una no do "you may kiss the bride"? US embassy go soon dey request for a short video clip of married couple including their teen pics and first night together


Honestly speaking, I've got no advice because DISHONESTY is already involved

Na wah. And the guy didn't know that luck will shine on him and he will enter one of the top 5 in the US. HRM means High Ranked Monkey. In Economics, that is a PhD in Harvard/Yale/MIT/Stanford/Columbia Etc..Top, top places...

WE need be careful in this life, and I also speak to myself...May God help us.

decatalyst:
This one pass me I beg

All in the name of hustle/greener pastures? U carry ur self board plane enter INDIA come arrangiee wedding with your blood sis? Wait, Una no do "you may kiss the bride"? US embassy go soon dey request for a short video clip of married couple including their teen pics


Honestly speaking, I've got no advice because DISHONESTY is already involved

Yeah, that's true..But if you sure have something helpful to say, you can please say it...

This is a unique question here on Nairaland, and it's interesting..That's why I took the pain to post it.

Moderator,

Please move this issue to front page..In its merit, it is a unique question that has not been asked on Nairaland before..It definitely will draw more traffic from other parts of the world because I will send the link to the guy and others on that site will click and come here.

It's a win for nairaland and win for the guy.

Seunpaul01:
Who first class epp

Many, many people...Some are in some of the best universities in the world. Some have graduated and a doing really well, though not billionaires..There is even one that I am working with right now. As we speak, many of the western university researchers want to supervise her for her PhD...They are lining to interview her..

I have seen what great grades with God's blessings can do..So bro, that your line is not realistic. Though it doesn't mean that if one does not have a first one won't make it in life, but it surely simplifies thing...And by having a first, I loosely assume the person is also very good or exceptional.

codelord:
Greatest Akokite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great!

MyPWisINCORRECT:
While Uniport dey load ladies and gentlemen thirdy and pass.

I'm tired of this response I want to give, but it will be helpful to provide stat..

Of the graduating students at UniPort, how many made first..That's a more direct comparison.

oldfoolnigger:
Seems like unilag no get sadists or demi gods of lecturalS.KUDOS

Guy, look at the proportion, not magnitude.

That's about 2% Max, not even up to. It's still very low, compared to the proportion of graduating students that get this type of grade at a random private school or universities abroad.

Important Advice Needed - Mature Nairalander, Especially Those Based In The US - Family - Nairaland


Need help (Please don't judge me.)

Indianbro here. I had a good life when I was a teenager until I lost my parents in a car accident. I had to take care of my sister after that. It wasn't difficult because our parents left us a good fortune (not huge) and we had the support of family as well. In 2014, after finishing my master's, I decided to get a PhD in economics. I was admitted to an HRM (not holy zipcode, though) and was over the moon. My sister just finished her undergrad at that time and didn't know what to do with her life. This is where it gets a little weird: Through the suggestion of an elderly relative, we faked married (we pretended we are cousins, which is fine in India) and she came to US with me with an F2 visa. (we sleep in separate beds. no weird stuff.) Since we got here, she's been trying to enroll to a graduate program but to no avail.

Now, here's the problem. I met a very beautiful white girl in my second year, and we've been dating. It's been a dream. However, she's a little older than me (36). She knows about my situation and is very understanding. But because of her age, she wants to get married soon and have a baby. (her family is conservative and doesn't want her to have kids out of wedlock. Their daughter having a brown bf is hard enough for them. So I want to divorce my sister but then she will be deported to India, and she doesn't have anyone there. These circumstances are really bothering me. I really don't what to do. I know I'm to blame because of my dishonesty (marrying my sister) but I did it only to help family. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

MOD - if only you could help in this matter and do front page
https://www.econjobrumors.com/topic/need-help-please-dont-judge-me

Important question from an Indian Bro...He says you should please not judge him
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Need help (Please don't judge me.)

Indianbro here. I had a good life when I was a teenager until I lost my parents in a car accident. I had to take care of my sister after that. It wasn't difficult because our parents left us a good fortune (not huge) and we had the support of family as well. In 2014, after finishing my master's, I decided to get a PhD in economics. I was admitted to an HRM (not holy zipcode, though) and was over the moon. My sister just finished her undergrad at that time and didn't know what to do with her life. This is where it gets a little weird: Through the suggestion of an elderly relative, we faked married (we pretended we are cousins, which is fine in India) and she came to US with me with an F2 visa. (we sleep in separate beds. no weird stuff.) Since we got here, she's been trying to enroll to a graduate program but to no avail.

Now, here's the problem. I met a very beautiful white girl in my second year, and we've been dating. It's been a dream. However, she's a little older than me (36). She knows about my situation and is very understanding. But because of her age, she wants to get married soon and have a baby. (her family is conservative and doesn't want her to have kids out of wedlock. Their daughter having a brown bf is hard enough for them. So I want to divorce my sister but then she will be deported to India, and she doesn't have anyone there. These circumstances are really bothering me. I really don't what to do. I know I'm to blame because of my dishonesty (marrying my sister) but I did it only to help family. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

MOD - if only you could help in this matter and do front page
https://www.econjobrumors.com/topic/need-help-please-dont-judge-me

INTERMAN:
The affected student AROR
OGHENERUKEVWE is a current Medical Rehabilitation part one student. I have adviced her to go and see the provost. But I wonder what she has been doing all these while since she is already a student and should know how admission request for supplementary list is been done at OAU instead of waiting all these while. She should have just taken some few steps into the office of the provost or other Prof and request for admission assistance right from the beggining of the admission processing.

That's the issue. Many young, brilliant youngsters don't have people to guide them..

We should endeavour to provide oversight to any young person around us. I remember one bros like that, may his soul rest in peace, he directed me during my university application years ago. Other people also helped. Young people still need our experience.

INTERMAN:
The provost is a very good man. I mean an extremely great and good father in this generation that has influenced many. Words only cannot express how good Prof Adesegun Fatusi is unless you get to know him. Such a humble meek Professor, Medical Doctor and pastor

No wonder, the man is a pastor. I suspected..Seeing his picture, I knew he was approachable. I liked the way he provided a great insight into the matter. Unfortunately, their assumptions on the student's 8th subject and the lack of submission of the 8th subject by the student have cost the student a place on a programme that she is well qualified for.

calebify1:

Her grades in jamb and waec are independent of each oda. Different exam conditions. Besides everyone has a weak link. physics proved to be hers.. I hope something is done for the young lady.

Truly, one would expect A1 or at least A2 from her in physics and biology. Maybe she took the JAMB after taking WAEC, so she really prepared for it and developed significantly. It is possible to grow very fast academically in one year, especially for these young students. 320 is for top, top, students. The girl is bright. In our days, we dreamed or even thought the score was impossible. These kids of nowadays keep proving to me that anything is possible. I'm impressed.

I just love discussing exams and excellent students..Lol, I'm agbaya.

I have a nephew who is in SS2. I have told him that if he can make 9 A1's, I will offer him a return ticket to any of the Disneylands of his choice. This is really motivating the poor boy, and I just want him to reach his potential fully. If he says it is impossible, at least I have people to point him to, like this girl for JAMB. I just love seeing A1, plenty of it. To be frank, I don't like seeing B..C will give me apollo, D can make me start wearing glasses. lol. I try not to show this when I am with a student jumping up for making 5 C6's lol, because that student too can turn out great.

dabossman:


Lol. We can definitely agree to disagree. You speak as if the University of Ife is not a microcosm of the larger society. We recently saw a N-Power program where the data of applicants from one state was mistakenly switched with that of another on a FG run portal. Even the Uni's portal allegedly has issues as you have repeatedly stated. Yet you assume that WAEC's online portal is full-proof and error free? So,what makes you think that a visit by the university to WAEC's portal may not turn up someone else's results due to some technical glitch. Alas,the student fails to get admission without even knowing where the error is from.

No one has said the process is the most ideal. There are many processes that can be improved upon and simplified in Nigeria, like the processes of getting an Int'l Passport, Driver's License, Voter's Card, recovering your lost SIM card or even buying Lake Rice. But until the process is improved on, at least ensure that you adhere to the modalities of the process currently in use, especially when you are the one who needs that which you seek more.

Plus you suggested that the university buy recharge cards? At whose expense. 500 students applied for a course. We have only 100 slots. Then you expect that the uni will buy 500 recharge cards to confirm who has the right qualification or not? Are the applicants ready to pay a non-refundable administrative fee for admission processing?

Since you're from the old school, probably before internet in Nigeria, how did we handle our uni applications. We presented originals and copies of a statement of result from our high school, not WAEC document. Today they have online portals where you can fill in information. That means there is improvement in the process. But we followed the guidelines present then. In reality, if the universities have to request for the results,it should be from the schools the kids graduated from, not the exam board.

My two pence. Enjoy what's left of your day.

The students can be made to buy the cards and produce them at the request of the universities. I can't contradict most of your other points. Inefficiencies everywhere. But the system needs to improve. That student's admissions denial when she fully met the requirements leaves a bitter taste in our mouths.

Let's wish her the best for next year.

Cheers

Peterjosh:
Waoh... For the Provost to take his time out to attend to this issue is laudable(such a rare grace) to me and to all the parties that are helping to see that the right thing is done.... Am impressed... Social media has gotten another big up here....

Yes, it's rare. He is a correct man..Seeing his picture alone, I sensed it.

dabossman:


You keep calling it an assumption, when it is the laid down criteria used for everyone else. Provide your details, the data provided by you will be used to calculate your score and eligibility for the course applied for. Someone submitted an incomplete application and it's the university's fault? In a situation where there are hundreds of applicants seeking insufficient slots, you really expect one student to get special treatment? The same criteria was used for everybody.

I have travelled to the UK, I didn't need to do an interview before visa was issued. I have been to the US, I needed to show up for an interview before visa was issued. Each embassy with its own criteria. Is one process better than the other? In my opinion, oh yes, one was less cumbersome; but their criteria is their criteria.

Besides,you are talking about WAEC as if they are so efficient. The same WAEC that takes about 5 years to provide original certificates? I know how many months it took me to get my uni to send my transcripts to the UK university. And that's just from a graduating set of about 20 people. You now think WAEC will respond promptly to all the Federal, State and Private universities in Nigeria promptly if bombarded with requests for result transcripts for millions of students? Some kids will wait for admission till eternity.

Bro, you are free to take your position. That's okay. The fact remains that in computing the O'level GPA, an assumption was made and it was that the student either made an F in the 8th subject or registered for the 8th subject and didn't take it or worst of all took less than 8 subjects. The assumption turned out wrong. The problem was even compounded by the fact that the uni's portal failed to accept some of the subjects that the girl took. If they had addressed these issues, not sure such an excellent student would have been omitted. The student has faults for not whistle-blowing, but IFE has a greater fault for creating an inefficient admissions portal and making assumptions. I believe this should be clear. Please read the other thread for the proof that the girl's subjects, some were not entered

If a university wants to develop, the university's admission process is vital. No room for assumptions, get results from the horses' mouth. It's that simple. Scratch cards are available. Admissions office must be proactive. And if IFE wants to near the kind of level they are aiming for, an efficient admissions system is very vital. It's that simple.

You see, to avoid this kind of problem, a university should follow more efficient processes. Get the results from the main source. It's that simple and it is what many universities across the world do.

Meanwhile, another area I need a proof is that 'it was clearly spelt out that 8 subjects would be used to calculate the final marks of students'. Because it is possible that some of the rookie students were thinking 'abi I passed 5 relevant subjects, so anything less than 5 go do'. One of the major issue here which I suspect, although I stand to be corrected, is a lack of initial transparency. Students didn't have a clear idea of the entire process, leading to the many assumptions from students and, unfortunately, the university officials. Would be good to get a view on this..

And please, no one is talking about results verification, definitely not me. What I am saying is that it is more efficient to get results from the horse's hand, either directly from the examining body or, following your earlier suggestions, through a certified copy. And certified copy means a signed copy of the original. In this case, the original contains all the subjects and grades obtained..The university did not request certified copies and did not obtain grades directly from source,but went ahead to assume student failed 8th subject or did only 7 subjects. This was the root of the erroneous assumptions I have hammered on.

Jozzy4:


Have u noticed this recently ? A man will be adulterous and flirt with a range of women, but when a man dare comes near his wife . he gets so jealousy and angry that he can even kill the intruder .

Telling you that the jealousy of a man is violent, no man likes to hear that his own bride has been used by another man even though he knows . but its worst when the pictures are displayed right in his presence . am not supporting what that ex did , but only explaining how men feels when it comes to issue of sex with their women . so that explains why some comments are like what u termed Childish .


Imagine, a woman who stumble upon his husband naked photo with a woman . its true its past , but that memory never leaves and can cause distrust . SEX is powerful .


God that said sex should be reserved for marriage knows what he is saying

No, the fallen world thinks it is wise by making premarital sex sound trendy. May God help us. I don't even know what to say about the lady's husband to be.

Jozzy4:



Yes , u are right we shouldn't judge , infact there are examples of people in the Bible who acted formely out of ignorance and were shown favour . nevertheless , This is a lesson for everyone either male or female and should deepen our conviction to do what is right and accepted by our heavenly Father .

Amen, may God help us.

Jozzy4:



Friend, what happen to this lady remains a serious lesson for women ... Either the ex is childish, immature or whatever . take the appropriate lesson and leave the rest . am sure if you are the grooms parent , you wont feel good . or
Lets assume the groom were to be your brother , how would u feel ? Am sure alot of women will prevent their brother from marrying that woman. It happens .


Meanwhile, I always said it that ladies should stand on their feet and not give in to premarital affairs , but many wont listen .. Only to follow the pleasure route and be rewarded with things like this . its true no one is perfect, but it pays to do what is right even if its expensive.

Good morning .

This is correct. Let's try our best bro and sis. God will help us. This premarital sex, e no go good. Make we hear word

Dunsin89:
From my own opinion, the girl uploaded 7 of her result grades instead of 8. And the sum total was used for her grading. So it is not that the prof made mistake, the fault is from the girl or whosoever help her register her screening details.

Guy, think deeper, please.

What variables entered into the calculations? Were the variables right or were some based on assumptions. Deep thoughts are important here. I can say 1+3=4. Am I wrong? No! But my 1 and 3, are they the right numbers to use? Debatable. That is the problem here!! They made some assumptions which made them allocate zero to the 8th subject by assuming either she failed it or she didn't do up to 8 subjects..

Normally, university admissions should be based on factual variables obtained from the examining bodies or via notarized copies as the other poster that I have responded to talked about. If IFE wants to rise to the level of its vision, it must do things in a more efficient manner. This admission procedure leaves bitter taste in the student's mouth.

All you people venting. That's cool. Send the prof a respectful email. Go to facebook and type his name, then send him an email.

dabossman:


Here are application requirements from another university in South Africa.

How do I apply to study at Stellenbosch University?

A: All you just need to do is apply online at the website here. This will ensure that you receive a unique student number immediately as well the ability to track the status of your application online. With your student number as reference, you then submit certified copies of your school leaving / degree certificates and academic transcripts to info@sun.ac.za. Please be sure to submit your most recent results, evidence of what you are studying in your final year of school as well as predicted grades for these subjects.

Please note: places are limited in all Faculties and therefore, it is important to apply early and ensure that your application is 100% complete.

https://www0.sun.ac.za/international/frequently-asked-questions-1/applications.html

100% complete. Not missing two subjects you sat for, but didn't include for reasons best known to you. The 17-year old must be that responsible bro.

Guy, what are you trying to defend inefficiency? I have a degree from Stellenbosch University and the picture you are trying to paint is untrue.

Stellenbosch does not admit you if they are unsure that you have supplied ALL information about your past education. This is a school I attended, so I know.

See, no need to try and defend IFE. They have made a mistake here. I don't want to push more. I am sure you know what certified copies of results are. In case you don't, it means copies of original results statements/transcripts signed and stamped by the court of law or notaries public. At some points, some of these foreign universities were even requesting scratch cards from West African students in order to check their results online. I'm sure you know that certified results are not the same as results entered online. To certify something, the originals must be seen and copies signed and stamped by someone as evidence that original had been seen.

See bro, I'm beginning to suspect that I have been around for a longer time in the world than you, just as others have been around longer than me. That's fine. I like the way you're trying to defend your position, and an older person truly does not know all, but on this one, IFE did inefficiently.

Please don't let me expose myself..Already giving too much info. IFE made a costly assumption on this one, and I cannot see how they are right here. We should desist from defending what is not correct or blaming someone who has some innocence.

Nalikedis:
So she substituted core sciences with classes you listed abi? a lady with 320 beibg refused admission some Elds and lecturer piking got with 202...stop defending trash

Guy, focus on Merit. She does not qualify for other categories based on her place of origin. The merit here is the issue. She is qualified to enter on merit. That's the thing

Nalikedis:
?? So how is Furher maths better than computer studies for medicine o? they cant accept "new subjects" but they can accept combination of result abi? Oshi. stop defending shit. The rubrics used for this admission is trash...It only favour ELDS and professors and lecturers children

Guy, let's focus on merit where the girl belongs. Forget the rest, they have been in the naija policy for decades..

In the merit, their decisions are based on assumptions that didn't turn out true. And this is the fact.

dabossman:


We are not debating.We are rubbing minds. You need to ask yourself; who needs who more? Does the university need the student more or does the student need the university more? Why should the university go out of its way to help a student who hasn't filled an application form correctly out? So what happens if she spells her name wrongly, or writes her DOB in mm-dd-yy instead of dd-mm-yy? They have thousands of applications to deal with. The Verification processes is carried out to ensure whether you have been honest in your application, not to help correct your errors if any.

Such a costly error in itself could be a grounds for disqualifying your application. Besides, who is to determine if it was an honest error or something done on purpose for whatever reasons? Do they now contact her to find out when there are 100's of candidates who have filled their application correctly?

You say OAU made an assumption, but they actually worked with data provided by the applicant. And the applicant should put his/her best foot forward.

Good one bro. The student needs OAU more, that is one. Two, they made a heavy assumption in the data provided and this was even clearly their fault as their system didn't have space for some of the subjects that the young girl took. That's quite clear, no? Check the other threads where people have discussed this. They assumed the student must have either gotten an F or registered for the exam but didn't do it. That is a hasty assumption..If I am doing analysis and I get data from the world bank and the data points from the world bank are missing in some years, it is reasonable to assume that the data truly does not exist when I have not done my due deligence to establish this fact by either checking the country's government website (horses mouth) or checking other data sources such as the IMF, Trade Websites etc?

From every angle that we bring it, it is evident, and become increasingly evident, that the school made an assumption, a hasty one, that turned out to be untrue. I bet they didn't know if would go this far.

And no, checking from the horses' mouth (WAEC/JAMB) for all candidates as the standards for admissions does not mean going out of the university's way. The is a glaring hole in the admissions process and I am sure not only IFE is guilty of this, but IFE remains guilty nonetheless. It only means doing the right thing that a school hoping to be tops one day would do. Admissions decisions are not based on assumptions. They are based on hard facts. Unfortunately, IFE has based the admissions process on assumptions, partly. This should change if it wants to be in the comity of the positions it is aiming in Africa or in the world. Everything does not end in Nigeria

awelekiti:
Dear Prof., by the moniker Adesegunfat, I've always known OAU to be a reputable institution and so, please do the needful asap. The legacy left behind since the early 90's is expected to still be maintained till date. In case a candidate had occupied this poor prospective student's place in error, due to an influence propelled by a letter from the above, please do the reversal asap. The case is already in the public domain so, it's no more hidden. There are quite reputable people here on nairaland, including Senators, Governors, Ambassadors, Embassies, Companies' CEOs, DGs, Medics, etc who are only known by different monikers , except the US Embassy whose moniker can be easily noticed and I strongly believe they're closely following this case as well. I want to continue to remain anonymous myself, until when there's need for me to act. Thanks for your anticipated cooperation in this regard.

Oga, me I have already sent the prof a respectable email. He looks like a respectable person and an elder and for him to have come out to give this explanation, bros he deserves our respect and humility, at least young people like me.

The school has made an error of assumption here and I will continue to disagree, like you, with anyone who tries to absolve the school of any blames.

I am waiting for the prof's response. If the response don't come and nothing happens, then the matter will go further. The school has to own up to the error in its process and improve in the next admissions process in the coming years

TobeyTobee:
Yeah. ...Most of the entrepreneurial subjects we were forced to do was not on the system e.g book keeping....seven subjects was calculated for one of my friends too. The unfair thing is that their O level point was divided by eight.

That is the point and that remains the mistake. The school has made an implicit assumption that - either the student got F in the subject or didn't take it. This is not exactly true as it turned out. That is a hasty assumption.

taryur:

mr,schools dont ask for copies of whatever documents including results until after u have been offered admission. after u av been offered admission,the individual then goes to the said school with original copies of results for verification. stop trying all you can to paint the school ugly, pls. If u make the cut off mark,OAU will always give u an admission regardless of where one is from. many people can attest to that.

Then is wrong! If the 5'O level credit system must change, then the other processes have to change too. IFE has made a huge mistake here. You don't base admissions decisions on assumptions. The best way would be to get the subjects and grades from the horse's mouth, the examining bodies. Why assume a student failed a subject or didn't take the 8th subject when you have not verified. Wow, this is unbelievable. Or are our brothers and sisters in support of the uni's decision not seeing this glaring error??

akoko11:


U will agree with me that d school was not fair to her.
Personally I don't hate OAU, but I speak against Wat is wrong. They should offer her d admission that's all. Tanx

I stand with you. The admissions process is shrouded in assumptions that are made in haste and turned out untrue. That's the problem here.

sbashir10:

she actually submitted seven courses
here's the prove

And the university went ahead and assumed that she failed the 8th subject or didn't take it at all..Shouldn't the university know better and request information on the missing subject? Or is this question I am asking dumb?

The truth in all these matters is that IFE has made an assumption which turned out to be unfactual, unfortunately.

I will write exactly this and send to the honourable prof after receiving his response to my first email. I think we should give the prof some credit. It's not easy for people holding high offices in Nigeria to be accountable to 'the low levels'