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This man is becoming quite an asset to Nigerian leadership.
I would go much farther than just calling Nigerian federalism questionable. He is on the right track, but needs to go the whole hog in his demands.
I salute him.

The lack of true federalism is the reason for our sorry state of development and rampant corruption.

[size=14pt]Fashola Faults Nation’s Federal Structure [/size]

LAGOS - Governor Babatunde Fashola has faulted the nation’s federal structure and the manner its federalism was conceptualized, just as he inaugurated an 18-man committee on development of pay policy, review and salary determination with a duty schedule to come up with what will now constitute wage and salaries for its workers.

The committee is also to consider the relativity of political office holders’ pay to that of the career public officers and professionals in the employ of Lagos State and make appropriate recommendations to the governor and the state executive council.

Fashola while inaugurating the committee said its primary objective would be to address the different pay structures that had been introduced at various times by the Federal Government without recourse to states’ ability to pay.

The committee chaired by the state commissioner for establishment and training, Jide Sanwo-Olu, draws membership from across sectors in the state public service and is expected to submit its report to the governor within 34 working days, specifically September 30th.

Their terms of reference includes, the review of past and present pay structure in Lagos State public service, examination of the resources of Lagos State government, review of the current employee population in the state public service, consideration of the relativity of sectors in the determination of salaries and allowances in Lagos State public service, consideration of the relativity of political office holders’ pay to that of the career public officers and professionals in the state service, examination of industrial relations and collective bargaining systems, and the development of appropriate pay policy for the Lagos State public service.

“With the most recent developments, particularly in respect of the seven (7) different consolidated salary structures introduced at the federal public service, Lagos State is not unmindful of the likely agitations that might be in the pipeline, particularly from professionals and generality of the workforce. 

In nipping envisaged reactions and averting any industrial unrest, it has become imperative that we develop a holistic reward management system to benchmark on issues pertaining to salary determination, wage fixing and pay policy. 

“This would entail collective bargaining and shall give credence to key economic, organizational and institutional variables.” said Fashola.

The governor, who described federalism in practice in Nigeria as questionable, emphasized the need for a return to the era of regions where each of the federating units determined what was paid to public servants based on available resources and priorities.

Earlier on, the state Head of Service, Adesegun Ogunlewe, said the policy at the federal level has made it necessary for Lagos to formulate a clear cut policy as well as pay review mechanism for its workers.

http://nigerianobservernews.com/18082010/businessservices/indexnews2.html

EzeUche22:
Instead of focusing on the tribe, I  have heard this problem ocurring with other immigrant families. Especially African families.

From my discussions with my brothers, it seems like once they bring their wife from the village to America, these women go crazy. And they stress the men out.

I remember my cousin had a heart attack at 35 years old because his wife kept on saying that she made more money than him as a nurse. Just emasculating the man in front of their children and family.  

Simple solution. Don't go bring somebody from the village, there are enough good Nigerian men and women abroad; people who have lived there long enough to know how the system works and what the boundaries are.

To my mind, those who go looking for village men or women to fly into marriage in a strange land are people who aren't confident in their abiliies with the opposite sex. They would have run into trouble anyway; it all goes back to the Nigerian self esteem issues I pointed out earlier.

Every topic these days ends up as Yoruba vs Igbo.
It is really sad.

@topic
That man is surely on his way to time in hell (whatever that entails), may the womans soul rest in peace and if there are any kids, may they be comforted.

An example must be made of these 5 men.
What about the other trials that were started as a result of the Jos massacres?

I hope Ribadu runs under a new party. For what he stands for, its best to give the existing ones a very wide berth.

[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=499389.msg6597476#msg6597476 date=1282173629]@ileke-idi,
many of them need anger management classes
their hot tempers are out of dis world[/quote]It has nothing to do with ethnicity. Rather, it is a Nigerian self esteem problem; the average Nigerian whether male or female, would rather forcibly impress it on everyone around that they are the big shot. It is done in a number of ways, here are a few;

[list]
[li]Needlessly speaking at the top of their voices[/li]
[li]The famous, "do you know who I am? I can lock up your family"[/li]
[li]Outright violence, carried out by getting mobile police, soldiers, thugs etc to do the job or when abroad, a gun[/li]
[/list]

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=499229.msg6596981#msg6596981 date=1282168987]In addition to what paddy_lo said, the Govt and President, if evidence can prove that they are corrupt. . , they can be impeached AND prosecuted. Nigeria does not have to wait till the end of their tenure.[/quote]Who will do the impeaching, legislators that are scared to pass anti-corruption laws?

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Better again! No funny talk backed by strange links from weird websites with funny adverts.
You sound credible when you express your own opinion (no matter ho poor), instead of attempting to start false rumours.

^
Better than making up stories about a CV and then referring to the strangest and weirdest sites on the Planet as proof (some even with semi-porn adverts).
Anyone can live with the above as own your opinion.

becomrich3:
This is how much naira they get per person. Not accurate. I did not have time to cross check all. But close.

ak N5690 per person
lagos N181 per person
ogun N255 per person
river 2411 per person
bayelsa 8,333 per person
delta 1250 per person
oyo 180 per person

It isn't close. This is state ranking by population, so recalibrate;

Rank State Population
1 Kano State 9,383,682
2 Lagos State 9,013,534
3 Kaduna State 6,066,562
4 Katsina State 5,792,578
5 Oyo State 5,591,589
6 Rivers State 5,185,400
7 Bauchi State 4,676,465
8 Jigawa State 4,348,649
9 Benue State 4,219,244
10 Anambra State 4,182,032
11 Borno State 4,151,193
12 Delta State 4,098,391
13 Imo State 3,934,899
14 Niger State 3,950,249
15 Akwa Ibom State 3,920,208
16 Ogun State 3,728,098
17 Sokoto State 3,696,999
18 Ondo State 3,441,024
19 Osun State 3,423,535
20 Kogi State 3,278,487
21 Zamfara State 3,259,846
22 Enugu State 3,257,298
23 Kebbi State 3,238,628
24 Edo State 3,218,332
25 Plateau State 3,178,712
26 Adamawa State 3,168,101
27 Cross River State 2,888,966
28 Abia State 2,833,999
29 Ekiti State 2,384,212
30 Kwara State 2,371,089
31 Gombe State 2,353,879
32 Yobe State 2,321,591
33 Taraba State 2,300,736
34 Ebonyi State 2,173,501
35 Nasarawa State 1,863,275
36 Bayelsa State 1,703,358
- Abuja Federal Capital Territory 1,405,201

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_states_by_population

Abagworo:
nigerians love their lives more than anybody on earth.over-education could sometimes lead to mental disorder

It is not over education that changes people. You've got to find out how out of touch a lot of people who live abroad are with their roots.
Having said that, much worse crimes are commited by Nigerians back home, it boils down to the individual; not where they live or their degree of education.

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Stop being funny. It is a forgery created from a summary by fools who are also criminals.
Isn't that a beautiful summary capturing all words? Olodo.

oyb:
for  those lying hypocrites who would have us beleive that the cv is a forgery .  . .

http://www.google.com.ng/search?q=6036-drjcv.pdf&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

you can see it features in several other wepages.

apparently it has been yanked from the original link - i wonder who did that - anyway, download your copy before the johanthan whitewash brigade deletes it -

you can be sure they are as we speak crafting a polished cv wit customary honorary degrees, chieftancy titles and officer of the niger awards

carry on our son  

. . .So dumb and dim that you cannot tell that what you are seeing is a simple summary? Damn!
It can feature in a million pages (and they all different in one way or the other, by the way); only fools will imagine that it is a CV.

Its too much garri between the ears!!!

[quote author=Care-Taker link=topic=498980.msg6596957#msg6596957 date=1282168789]Or else. present you papa's cv who will never be president until he dies, even when his cv is better than than of
our president's. I promise, i will see to that.

God Bless Nigeria!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GodBlessNigeria.com[/quote]I guess you are representing your own papa who is most likely uneducated?

krendo:
BEAF IS AN EMERGING I.D.I.O.T.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE MORE JONATHAN GETS EXPOSED, THE MORE BEAF GETS EVEN MORE silly

[quote author=OYB_MEND link=topic=498980.msg6596899#msg6596899 date=1282168206]When I see people like BEAF I feel sorry for the future of this country.

In his world if you have kind words for Jonathan, then your arguments whatever they may be are facts ordained by God.
But if you have unkind words for Jonathan, then whatever you have to say are made up, no matter how compelling your evidence are.

This is how you know folks who are simply uncivilised.[/quote]Thank you. Next please.
What do they call grown men who tell lies? I'm here laughing my head off.

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If anybody brings up a forgery as someones CV, the proper thing to do is tell them that they are not only fools, but criminals as well. No two ways about it.
If that is too painful, keep away from crime.

PS; no anti-IBB person has foolishly put up any forged cv to attack the man.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=499389.msg6596711#msg6596711 date=1282166273]He's 64 and she's 37. . . .what comes to your mind if you are really intelligent ?[/quote]There are many successful marriages with big age gaps. If it had been approached correctly, lives wouldn't have been snuffed out so prematurely.
I really blame the man's strength level. At his age, a lot can go wrong, but he should have had the maturity to play a new game.

What a pity! How sad.

Couples must never allow bitterness to go this far that one of them snaps. A man should always be able to talk to his wife and gain her confidence for her to do the same. It doesn't take much!

I don't understand this sort of crime.

marcdunu:
When you have an information in public domain, the educated way to disprove it is to provide an authentic one submitted at the time.

So asking someone to shut their stinking mouth without making a superior argument sounds to me like what cheap illiterates paid to make noise like sycophants do.

If you think the CV provided by OYB is not accurate. then provide us with the correct one. Otherwise you simply have no argument.

Some folks just rain abuses when you catch them out or box them into a corner.

Beaf, if you think OYB has provided a made up CV, please provide the authentic one which I can only assume you seen. If you have not seen one and yet assume this one is incorrect because it does not paint your candidate in the manner you like. It tells a lot about the kind of person you are.

If you think a CV given to the government is a public document, you are even more foolish than I first thought. You might even make the Guiness Book of Records.

Listen, nobody is saying you cannot throw barbs or criticisms at any individual in the land, but commiting a crime and a silly one at that? Surely, that's going overboard. Dumb.

kolitos007:
Hmmmm, and I don't still think you get what beef is trying to say, hmmmm, try reading through the previous post carefully mate you are walking yourself into a really deep hole at the moment.

Don't mind the dufus, some people do not know what constitutes a crime.

marcdunu:
The only way to disprove that this is not Jonathan's CV.

Is to produce the original alternative CV Johnathan submitted to Bayelsa at the time.

otherwise anything you have to say is a misguided defence by a man blinded by desperation.

At last, you seem to be growing some useful brain tissue between your ears. We thank God Almighty for His Wonders!
If you have never seen Jonathans CV, shut your stinky trap and develop some respect for others, especially your President.

marcdunu:
Not sure why u withdrew your previous post which seems to suggest that the CV above does not belong to Jonathan and was made up!!

I think you are now getting desperate and that is utterly shameless.

Have you been making up all your accusations about IBB? or Atiku? or Buhari?

What do you meaning "deleted?"

Are you now physically blind in addition to the mental blindness?

marcdunu:
Do us a favour!!!!!!!!!!!

Look some posts above yours posted by OYB.

Does that look like a Biography or a Curriculum Vitae to you

Dude u have lost it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

God! Did you have brea st milk as a child? Thats the best thing for mental development.
You mean you couldn't have typed that yourself, made it into a picture and posted it on the web?

Ol' boy, you de disgrace your primary school teachers here o!
Is it possible for a grown man to be this daft? Pleeeeaaaaaaaaase, tell us you're pretending!
www.nairaland.com/attachments/180447_ROTFLMAO_gif3d0c775232c7f27cf80592785b9635b6

marcdunu:
Read my post again and see if your challenge to comparing who has more experience contributes anything to more argument.

Stop allowing your c.o.c.k to get erected when u here about GEJ.

Chill, listen, analyse and then respond.

I am only questioning why Jonathan thinks his inclusion of being class captain in primary school proves anything about his political skills or ability to lead a State.

Did he ever tell you that? Have you ever seen Jonathans CV? Or you are just practising your customary foolishness after reading his biography?
Develop a brain dude, even if its a tiny one.

. . .Foolish people sha!

marcdunu:
I thought there was a thing called relevant experience.

Of what use is a man running for Deputy Governorship telling the rest of the world that he was a class captian in Primary School.

And who has more relevant experience and how? Provide the details, that is the only way you can prove that this thread and its "cv" comments are not childish and foolish.

It is a challenge and I'm waiting, let us do an intelligent comparison, instead of the foolishness thats been going on.

doyin13:
No man is an island. . .It is the quality of the people around him that I am worried about.

The times we are in do not demand an inspiring orator nor does it demand a larger than
life figure. We have had our share of those and they have gotten us nowhere.

We need the states to get stronger and a willing accomplice at the centre to aid
the process.

You hit the nail on the head. It couldn't be put better. Some of the other posters so far (including the OP), have made childish and foolish "cv" comments. I wonder which of the aspirants has a better cv than Jonathan? Is it ex-soldiers or ex-governors? Who?

We need someone who will be ready to give Nigeria true federalism. Corruption is not Nigeria's problem, rather it is a by product of the country's weird federal structure that was built for the singular purpose of criminal embezzlement; that structure needs to go, after which the country will blossom.

Nchara:
This from Wiki? Perception is not reality, indeed.

It might be from Wikipedia, but the data is from https://www.cgidd.com/
We condemn Wikipedia a bit too much, the reference section of the articles is always very valuable.

1   Lagos State   33,679,258,023

2   Rivers State   21,073,410,422

[size=14pt]3   Delta State   16,749,250,544[/size]

Up Delta! We no de carry last! Small but mighty!
If this was done by GDP per capita, na we or Rivers for carry first. . . and by a very very long shot!

28   Kwara State   3,841,827,534

Lol @ "agricultural revolution!"

OAM4J:
Beaf, you are giving IBB an undeserved publicity, making it looks like he is the man to beat.

This man and his followers should be ignored like a rotten egg.

In very many ways, you are right. But in creating the thread, I looked at it from the point that, so many folk don't have a clue about who the man is.
Many have never heard of the contrived plane crash that wiped out a crop of promising officers, because IBB was scared they might one day usurp his position.
Many do not know of the thousands that died after June 12 and how live ammunition, amoured cars and tear gas bear bearing helicopters were deployed against the civilian population.

Hopefully, people can begin to learn those things.

chidichris:
what is all these issues with the death of mama vasta? is he the only one who died in that incident? why talking abt him without others?
mama vasta was a military man and a senior one in that regards and he knew the implications of whatever step he took.
will this woman be saying all these things had it been her husband was successful?
women are always like this. it is possible she pushed her husband into this death in her inordinate ambition to be first lady. what happened to all these women whose husbands were successful in their coups? is any of them coming to seek our sympathy from time to time?
madam mama vasta, u must learn to enjoy in times of success and bear the pains of loss in times like this as i urge u not to make this a public issue.

Because the others might have planned something, but it is 99% certain that Mamman Vatsa was 100% innocent.

[quote author=na_so link=topic=498814.msg6594504#msg6594504 date=1282146215]^^^^^^^^^^^
I am against IBB in every sense.

His name should not appear on the ballot sheet even for the least popular party, I know of Dele Giwa,gloria okon, C130,june 12, gulf war windfall, however I dont seem to understand this Vatsa angle to the crimes he committed. Are we saying there was no coup plot by Vatsa?[/quote]Indeed.

There are very strong reasons to believe that such never occured. Please read this and weep, http://www.dawodu.com/vatsa.htm

It is very sad, but going to certain states is like visiting an evil shrine.

. . .Dirty, decripit and despair inspiring.

Nigerians don't know the meaning of good governance; in fact a great deal of the population ("literate" and illiterate) is so ignorant, that the average person in that bracket talks, thinks and acts like a dimwit.