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OAM4J: The possibility of consultation not yielding a desired goal does not nullifies it. Good leaders exploits it to good use. Lay down process and institutions are greater than office holders. And there is no point doing something that is unpopular, after-all government/democracy is about people and not about an individual/president vain glory or self interest.

Well I hope the matter will be taken to court and the court will determine if the president err or not.

Politics in that area is governed by rudeness and ceaseless attempts to ridicule the office of the President. Consultation would have been a useless exercise.

OAM4J: Let the court determine if there are processes to be followed or not.

Yes he need not bother about those who don't like him, but am sure he just lost the support of some of those who liked him before now with this thoughtless, irresponsible and insensitive move.

Really? Those must be petty minds, the renaming of a school is very far from the weighty issues by which the President of the country is judged.

OAM4J: @Coogar

Tell me you didn't grow up in military home or environment. Your military tendency is giving me concern for my aburo o

Seriously though, there is nothing wrong in changing a name of an institution, and I have no problem naming a great institution after Abiola, he deserves it. But there are lay down processes that should be respected and the president is not above these processes.

If the lay down process indicates that there is a need for consultation with the university governing council, then it should/must be respected by any lay abiding government official.

Even without a lay down process, only an insensitive and irresponsible government will wake up overnight, under democracy and give out an order for a change on matter that affect many people without carrying along key stakeholders.

Yes Jonathan is most likely going to get away with it, but IMO he has only dented his already bad image. From political perspective; what he did is most likely not going to make those who don't like him begin to like him, but it will definitely make him lose some of those few supporters he has left. I really wonder who his advisers are.

There are no laid down processes. Remember that the governing council is also appointed by the FG and its the same FG that would foot the bill for the name change.
Those who didn't like him hardly matter, because they would have hated him even if he was Jesus anyway, so why should he consider them or try to carry them along?

all4naija: I said to not of. Yes, you do that through the law and the school law has not be consulted in this case. Even, if they take it to the court of law it can be vetoed by the president. I still think the due path needs to be followed when doing things in an organized way. Not until the nation leaders learn to be organized the country will remain the way it is.

I do not believe there is a due path and I am sure you agree with me that any consultation would only have led to attempts to ridicule, because todays politics seems to be about how rude people can get, rather than about substance.
I really don't believe that there are any set procedures for renaming a school the FG owns 100%.

PeterKbaba: Beaf go and sleep, you have no basis, you are a born slave.

What is Tinubu's official post in ACN? E hook you for throat? Lol!
Thats why Fashola is a weakling for allowing a man without official function to lord it over him.

Tinubu will never be the proxy president of this country. Tufia!

all4naija: Maximal without reprimand is okay to you and that's dictatorial by nature. The climax of custodian is under the law of the land. So, the president being in that position is subjected to the law of the land which the people are embodiment to not of the law, which they too have rights to know and fight for when necessary. Please, you are making the president a dictator.

Dude, the law, protocol and hierachy make GEJ the maximal custodian of the law. There is nothing dictatorial about that, anything short is chaos.
The people are not an embodiment of the law, rather the President and the various arms of govt are in the order of official hierachy and function.

all4naija: You are playing down on the people's power and rights. You are viewing it from a military government perspective. It doesn't apply to the present administration that happens to be democratic government.

Yes! Before doing anything about that school, he must be aware of what to do and why it is needed. The president can be questioned for mismanagement of fund in democratic governance. I think you are being sentimental about the whole thing

No, I am not. There are many Nigerians who equate democracy with anarchy where the people are supreme and a law unto themselves. The govt built MAULAG and manages it, they can change the governing council (and quietly ease that objecting member of the schools senate). Govt can basically do what it wishes with the school.

Now lets consider your scenario: imagine the govt had gone to ask the students and lecturers. What process would the school have followed to accept or reject the name? Is there anything within their powers or rules? If the school had rejected it, would the govt have had to lobby them? How would the school authorities have been able to keep it from becoming a political football (especially as the dissenting member of the shools senate didn't hesitate to rail at PDP)?

It is obvious that consulting anyone in todays world of hysterical, high decibel politics would have been a grave error that would have seen the FG looking prostrate before various political opportunity takers. Not wise.

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Lol!

all4naija: Not the president but the law of the land. You are indirectly telling me the president stepped on the law.

But the President is the maximal custodian of the law of the land. He is its sovereign.

The undertone playing out here is the wish to foist the term "weak" on GEJ. So, each time he does something that directly challenges that, people act like a religious position has been violated.

all4naija: I have made it clear, it is the people's university! There are private and public universities. One is of the poeple while the other belong to individuals. So, it is the people university.

The people technically have no say, bro.
If the FG decides tomorrow to rebuild MAULAG at a completely new campus, do you think they would ask the students for the best spot or to suggest what plots of land to buy? They would simply buy where they like and build where they like too, when its done everybody will move.

The people have no ownership.

all4naija: Can you enlighten me more on the line in bold?

Every Nigerian citizen is under the authority of Nigeria and not the other way round.

all4naija: Of not been informed of the plan to change the name of the university.

That is not a right, bro. If they owned it, then they would have a case, but they don't.
Now that the MAULAG VC is late, it also falls on GEJ to appoint any qualified person he dims fit to be the new VC. Thats whats going to happen and nobody will lift a voice.
People are only getting carried away, because they are following the poor example of the students. ACN's political leadership (or lack of) consists of very rude sound bytes; thats the example the students have followed, which is most unfortunate. And now, because there is a leadership gap, some of the adult public are very strangely following the students.

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See who's talking of dumbing down!

all4naija: Not Jonathan property, get that right, but property that belong to the people!

It does not belong to the people. Rather it was built to help the people.
Saying MAULAG belongs to the people is the equivalent of claiming that things like NNS Aradu, official secrets, ports etc belong to the people. They don't. They belong to Nigeria and the people too belong to Nigeria; not the other way round.

[quote author=tpia@]oh, i didnt look at the id before quoting the post.

my apologies- i thought it was one of those old/new faceless nlers [or beaf] with multiple ids to chat nonsense, who made that statement.[/quote]Funny stuff!
Mental output depends on ids "noticed!" Lol!

My dear, you should spend some time in [size=18pt]MAULAG.[/size]

shymmex: @Beaf

Where are you hiding? - why do you always go ghost when the big boys, and intellectuals are on a thread? looool

They're out of your league, huh??

Dude, please keep yourself to those at your intellectual level like alj haram. Thank you.

all4naija: Should everything be ignored for the sake of it non-importance?! [b]The right of the university is trampled upon.[/b]If the president has the right to dictate for the university because it is federal property then there is no right of the students in whatsoever that happens within the enclave. You speak as if all things listed by you and this issue are not mutually exclusive in nature. Right is right, whether it's for a particular reason or time it is what it is only that there are different rights.

What right?

PeterKbaba: You see your problem in PDP , you beleive that every governor most have a title in the party before in can lead... you are so brain dead... fashola is a technocrat, he does not need a title, his title is in the hearts of lagosians and we have all written his name with gold in BOLD letters in our heart mind and soul. Try open window before you sleep make heat no kill you, as light no dey..

See how dis man de dodge!
Fashola has a title and function, which is governor.

What is Tinubu's title in ACN? Godfather? Egunje taker? Name his title.
Being a puppet is bad enough, but how can a man without any official title or function be the master of a governor? Sir, that is the definition of a weakling.

"Just admit what we all know about the criminality of his master and clear your conscience:"

Beaf: What is left now is for you to confess that his puppet master, the frog-like [size=14pt]Tinubu is a thief, fraud and drug baron; a man we do not want anywhere near Aso Rock, looting our money in the background.

Please be a man, pick up courage and do the right thing. Thank you.[/size]

PeterKbaba: Guy i'm off to bed, im not even in Nigeria.. go and sleep with your candle or lantern, you slave .... do you guys have light, the same light the obj PDP government spent 12 billion dollars on.. Remember that when tinubu was governor, he brought expertriates from Emron to take care the electricity problem in Lagos 10 years ago, but your clueless PDP lead by Obj cancelled it because of politics... tell me now, after 10 years, pdp are not trying to implement the Idea of tinubu... bloody illiterates who cant see beyond their nose. I'm sure your consience would judge while you sleep tonight.. continue fooling yourself on this site because of your senseless slave mentality Ego ...

You cannot dodge, thats for cowards, bro. Lol!
Fashola is a weakling for being controlled by Tinubu, a man who has no office or title in ACN.
Just admit what we all know about the criminality of his master and clear your conscience:

Beaf: What is left now is for you to confess that his puppet master, the frog-like [size=14pt]Tinubu is a thief, fraud and drug baron; a man we do not want anywhere near Aso Rock, looting our money in the background.

Please be a man, pick up courage and do the right thing. Thank you.[/size]

koruji: Where are you acquiring all this mega-power for GEJ. There are rules beyond the presidency that governs universities.

I don't doubt that a Nigerian leader, and in particular GEJ, could try firing and hiring university teachers, but that is really beyond anybody with something up there would do or should do.

You are consistently suggesting that you don't know your rights.

The presidency doesn't give the occupier of the office absolute powers - that is the beauty of a well-run, not a watered-down, democracy!

What rules?

all4naija: Lol@I wasn't in Nigeria! I do think that's of no consequence.

The line in bold is called subjugation and it is pertinent to the military regime. However, mind you it is the same people you are calling his subjects(as less important) also voted him into power. The rightful power in the whole context supposed to belong to the people.

The fact that we voted for GEJ does not mean we own federal property. That implication is preposterous.

CyberG: LOL...Jonathan's brain will be splashed on the streets of Maitama and then you follow with your useless head raised on a stake for vultures to feast on! Now, after that, I will still be here, BALLING BIG TIME! Me no dey your level who lives off syncophancy!

Who is going to do it? You, a coward that was so scared to come home when a girl threatened to deal with you on NL?
You even opened a thread to ask others about your safety and if the girl could get you. Lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Cowards are funny!

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Why did you parachute Ilaje matters into the topic? Was it pangs of guilt at their descrimination, or the fact that Bariga is near [size=18pt]MAULAG?[/size]

PeterKbaba: Tell me this .. When Jonathan was governor and with Fashola been a governor..who remained the best... knowing that when jonathan was governor ( pdp was incharge of the presidency )..

Why do you dodge questions and try to smuggle in diversions? Ain't you sure of your campaign for Fashola anymore? Lol!
By now you should know you cannot dodge my questions and assertions. You have another chance:

Beaf: What is left now is for you to confess that his puppet master, the frog-like [size=14pt]Tinubu is a thief, fraud and drug baron; a man we do not want anywhere near Aso Rock, looting our money in the background.

Please be a man, pick up courage and do the right thing. Thank you.[/size]

Ayam waiting.

[quote author=tpia@]shut up you m.oron.


when you were posting s.tupid pictures of your village and terming them ilaje, you gave a damn about ethnicity then.

oniranu jatijati.

as per your senseless post- THE WHOLE WORLD knows its always the yorubas who sing one love like eni ti won fun ni nkan je.

when the southwest led the t shirt march to install gej in power, of course you wouldnt see ethnicity then.

when obasanjo put gej in aso rock, you didnt see his ethnicity then.

bozo.[/quote]Is the obvious and well known descrimination against the Ilaje's (which you think people are blind to) what is causing your pain about [size=14pt]Maulag?[/size]
Looks like you are all about ethnicity and no sense or morals.

koruji: Do you know who clifford orji was too?

Of course, I do. You over-inflate influence, bro.

CyberG: You got any substance rather than insecure insults? None, I guess because your brains are filled with Ofada shait and cassava pee from Deadbrain JOnadafts ass! Well, read more and you will see the institution still use "UNILAG" in their press release today! Imagine retardeenchukwu just ridiculed and what will he do about it? Nothing like has been clueless about any problem in Nigeria since 13 years ago!

Now, NEXT!

The name is Maulag. Kill yourself, bro.

koruji: You mean you can't see why GEJ renaming UNILAG clifford orji university would bring down his government.

You do know who "clifford orji" was right?

No, I can't see why. You over-inflate influence, bro.

koruji: Now you are getting extreme about it.

Of course, if GEJ named it "clifford orji university" it will not only dent the reputation of the school, it will lead to the collapse of the the GEJ presidency itself.

I am sure you can figure out why the latter would be the case!

Dude got jokes!

CyberG: Shows you are a donkey fooleish like you deadweight Daftluck! Like Prof. Soyinka said, and I completely agree with him, this is NOT about Abiola AT ALL! The FG is directly responsible to the people more so in a democracy but everyone knows Jonathan's government is a pseudo-democracy hence it does not defer to the people it claims to represent! So, the FG is owned by the PEOPLE slowpoke, and as such must pursue only the opinion of the majority of the people! You see the SW people are too sophisticated to jump up because this is in their "favor" or honors one of theirs but the question is: What is right? What is just? Have the approved procedures been followed? He is their son is not enough, if he is a bad son, they will be the first to tell him in the face. However, in Otuekwe and your neck of the woods where snakes are born and raised as humans, it has to be your narrow, long throat interest above others! You see why you are a perpetual loser??

So, if Jonathan must name anything, it MUST consult the stakeholders, they must buy-in to the programme, their must be consensus and not one fooleish president running about like a headless chicken!

You are so stup!d. Why don't you crank your hypertension and gutter breeding to the highest decibels and see if that will have the slightest effect on the name, Maulag. Lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!

PeterKbaba: You said Fashola is a puppet and the Legendary Hero as done this much............ God pls allow fashola to continue under tinubu as a puppet.. If fashola was under PDP, they would have seduced him with corruption... It is only because of the ACN that PDP is trying to sit up... or have you forgotten all that pdp did to the SW.. we fought and refused to be slaves... dont worry now, oil go soon finish and I will laugh so hard with my pop corn and cola in my hand ( watching you cry tears of blood )...

We are getting somewhere, you have now admitted that Fashola is a puppet (and by extension, a weakling).
What is left now is for you to confess that his puppet master, the frog-like Tinubu is a thief, fraud and drug baron; a man we do not want anywhere near Aso Rock, looting our money in the background.

Please be a man, pick up courage and do the right thing. Thank you.

[size=14pt]My prayer is that GEJ should rename Amosun's airconditioned bridge![/size]
O-Gbawe!

CyberG: It's obvious people like Odumooron, Beaf, etc never got any education or are just too blinded by hatred to see straight! How can someone claim that a university brand is of no consequence except of course, you have never stepped into any renowned graduate school in the world (1-100) or ever had your resume looked at by any top company in the world: Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc! If you ever came close in your life, you would know that a recognized brand immediately gives some level of confidence for them to appraise your candidature rather than completely removing it from consideration for the likes of Ife, UI, etc whose name is well known all over! Or, do you think while an unknown entity is competing with candidates with brands like Harvard, Stanford, Cornell, MIT, McGill, UBC, Alberta, Toronto, UNILAG, OAU, UI, etc, it will stand even a dot of a chance?? Get out more and get educated and of course, stop "cassetting" all around the place!!

Some stup!d brand is greater than MKO's legacy? MKO is worth less than some FG owned "brand?"
Disgraceful.

The FG owns the brand and they have done as the wish with their property. Period.

In the meantime, keep insulting. Most people see you as a mere accident.

PeterKbaba: You are simply a slave beaf... these a saying that you can force a horse to the river both cant force the horse to drink from it... you can take a man out of the gutter , but cant take the gutter out of him... Remain a slave as you wish

Yes, I am a slave. But don't worry about that, cos it won't help Fashola's case or stop him from being Tinubu's puppet.
Stop dodging the stuff below, it makes you look weak, bro.

Beaf: You seriously mean I should tell you that Tinubu is a thief?
Wonders!!

And yes, ayam a Hausa man. But wait o, bros! "How does that stop me from seeing Fashola as Tinubu's puppet and concluding that he is a weakling for allowing that for 5 years (and counting)?"

Remember not to dodge this question: What is Tinubu's title in ACN, you called him an ACN leader and I am now curious? Leader in what sense? What is his title apart from godfather and egunje taker? What is his title aside from "Fashola's lord and master?"
We don't want that frog-like Tinubu anywhere near Abuja.

I am waiting.