₦airaland Forum

BlackPikiN: ^^^ That Lawmakers collect bribe is not Jonathan's fault!

That you pay bribe at the airport before you leave your country is never the president's fault but squarely your fault!

Tell am jare!
In those days when people were caught redhanded stealing, they would say, "na devil decieve me!"
Nowadays the gutter moraled, mentally lazy souls have forgotten the existence of Satan, their master and now have the scripted response; "Ayam a tif because Jonathan no get shoe!"

The comedy of idiocy has no bounds!

Logic Mind: you are right, i get quite emotional when i think of what my people went through for my freedom. and i swear on the head of my ancestors that it will not be in vain.

however you still dance around the bush and dodge questions. it is thus very difficult to have a meaningful discussion with you.

Lol! See who is talking about dodging questions! Even when if I quote Ojukwu, you guys would say its a lie because it doesn't fit into the wartime propaganda you have come to believe as fact. Imagine the way Dede sneered at Mariere! I have since revealed by Ojukwu's own words that he and Mariere had several discussions on Biafra, even informally at the Niger Bridge. Mariere's closeness to Ojukwu reflected the sympathy for Biafra from the Midwest. Anyway, make una carry go!

The good thing I have noticed is that your position, as well as ACM10's, has begun shifting ever so slightly. Thats a good thing; one day soon, you will be able to accept the fact of Biafran atrocities in the Midwest. Right now, I can accept that the response of the Midwest to their maltreatment was evil too; the way Igbo's were pointed out to the federal troops was despicable and condemnable. I feel free enough to admit these things, lets pray that you too will find the courage and strength to release your soul one day. Truth is brutal, but it cannot be hidden.

[size=14pt]Moshood Abiola University[/size]
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is about a federal government-owned university. For the state-owned institution, see Lagos State University.

Moshood Abiola University,[1] previously known as the University of Lagos, and popularly known as Unilag, is a federal government university with a main campus located at Akoka, Yaba and a college of medicine located at Idi-Araba, all in Lagos, Lagos State, southern Nigeria. It is one of twenty-five federal universities which are overseen and accredited by the National Universities Commission.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshood_Abiola_University

Lol! That was fast!

fluid26: omg! U mean to say he's a product of artificial insemination...of goat sperm? Omg!

Lol! I think its more like regrettable insemination!
You can see that CyberG is not "fully formed."

[quote author=Sisi_Kill]^^^ Tee hee hee

Did you see 'em clamoring for your head on a stake?

Bwahahahaha!!!

Oy! I love NL.[/quote]Lovely Sista, werin man go do nau? I kept peeping in and laughing. Lol!
--Beaf sighs, "Sisi_Kill will kill me! There is nothing as attractive as a wikidly intelligent babe!--

Thank you so much for these brilliant contributions naptu2.
I have been studying the events sorrounding the civil war in the past week. You are a veritable treasure trove and it is encouraging to learn that you have actually written papers on our various constitutions. You can bet I will always be on the lookout for you on NL, to pepper you with the odd question or two!

fluid26: hmmm...who be dat? Spill d beans beaf!

CyberG.

novaman: @BEAF

I don't hate GEJ but I must be sincere with you I don't like him either, why is JUNE 12 not important to Jonathan or the PDP.. why is he trying to destroy a name built over several years in the name of politics, the polytechnic in Ogun state needs some Federal support, why not simply sicking serious fund to upgrade it to a university all in the name of honouring MKO.

It is not about the fact that UNILAG is Behind or the Yorubas don't like him, in your heart you know what GEJ is trying to do, its all politics, there are so many monumental edifice that could be upgraded to bear MKO that will not cause any problem... not Unilag. If it is accepted by all are we going to spend tax payers money to change the letterhead, website, billboards, banners or the image, that is when you will hear that the new website cost N5Billion, letterhead N750Million, image N2Billion etc

This is unacceptable because one morning you will tell us the name of the country has changed, or he can even sell the country to the Arabs by tomorrow without our knowledge.

Maybe if he had consulted the real stakeholders (the past and present student) all this protect would not happen; if he wants to flex muscle maybe he should start with Boko Haram, that is a good match.

There are already a few federal universities named after individuals. Unlig is far from the first, for example we have, Ahmadu Bello University, Obafemi Awolowo University, Bayero University, Abubakar Tafawa Balewa University etc.

The simple truth is that ACN people find it embarrassing since they define themselves as an ethnic group (rather than a national party) and feel wrongfooted because they have done absolutely nothing to immortalise the name of Abiola. Its just embarrassed politicians venting because they have been exposed as not very caring.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]I agree with Beaf on this one, the war which you lost, ended over 40years ago. You are in the minority buddy.

My people talk say, "Ga fili ga doki, ina mai hauwa" (see field, see horse, wey de person wey go ride am). Enough of your useless internet warriorship, go and lead your people and declare your new nation na. See if your very own people will not lynch you themselves. olodo[/quote]Abeg, make sure you never agree with me again, or use my words to forward your wicked position.
It is time for new beginnings and for building afresh, but people like yourself and Logic Mind will only be onlookers/outsiders.

I'm am all for SE/SS synergies and I really don't see how your position is of any use to us.

MKO's sacrifice allowed Nigeria to progress.
The FG owns Unilag, I don't see why ethnic issues are rearing their head (both against and for the Yoruba).
It has absolutely nothing to do with ethnic group.

stebell: Peeps pls dont forget dat de university is a federal university funded by de federal govt. So de govt of de day can decide to change its name whenever it chooses. So pls stop hating GEJ.

Exactly what I just told novaman.

novaman: As far as the PDP is concern MKO is a stupid fellow you tried to steal power, you can ask OBJ who never deem it fit to name June 12 as democracy day ahead of May 29, its a shame he is only trying to create problems amongst the people so that those of us from other part of the country will see the Yorubas as disunited people, or as people not in support of MKO, crazy idea from someone who should unite his people.

Ordinary Boko Haram is has not handle properly maybe, the SSS named some PDP guys as sponsors yet nothing has happened.

You need to divorce ethnicity from national institutions; your statements are extremely unwise.

Someone fell in the gutter and got impregnated by goat sp[i]e[/i]rm that had dropped in there, the result of that accident is unfortunate.

cashcpt: This person is not Yoruba, he does not understand our thought process. Beaf why don't u name your village, your schools and even your state after MKO since you want to cry more than the bereaved. Oponu jati jati

Lol! Another one-eyed politician.
Abeg, leave dat side jare! MKO was a great NIGERIAN and deserves to be remembered.

mikron: The question is are the igbos ready to leave the north? Thats the problem. For as long as they remain where they are in the north they ll continue to be seen as the enemy by the violent north and the killings will continue. I school im zaria so i knw what it is like to live in the north. You live in fear on daily basis. No security of lives and property. God help our dear nation.

As long as there is Nigeria, nobody should leave any place.
What needs to be done is join the fight to bear arms that CAN has started. Let all the people be armed and then lets see how some fool would ride in on a motorbike, shoot people and expect to escape without being shot.
If possible, the traders should arm themseilve with rocket launchers and let it be man for man. Then we will see who will run.

I'm tired of hearing about the cowardly murders of unarmed people.

CyberG: Too bad that Nigerians (mostly SE and SS) would rather have thousands of people killed while preserving the only ONE life Jonathan because of tribal reasons only! Is the life of one man greater than all of the people that are dying and yet will do nothing to protect the people!

Everything this guy says is abysmally stup!d.

All Nigerian adults should be licensed to carry guns. That would put an end to this cowardly killings.

Moshood Abiola University is a lovely name. Its a fitting memorial to the man.

Na wa o! Many things in this dear country of ours freak one out.
I for one do not believe there is any hypocrisy in the Yoruba for kicking against the name change. It is wrong to tar people with a general brush.

Beyond that, the fact remains that the demonstrations are a political exigency to save face by those politicians who feel caught out by GEJ's action. Afterall, lagos is an ACN state and as a bigoted party, it is embarrassing to them.

Funny stuff!

...Several pages after hearing the desperate prayers of his "highly intelligent 'worshippers'," Beaf finally saunters in, sits on the loo, cracks open a beer and...

https://i.imgur.com/UPBvj.gif

One day is one day! Unu go take laf broke goat waist o!

naptu2: I've always been an advocate of true federalism. Every part of this country has enough natural resources to be successful and of course, they can invest in their human resource.

All problems are local and therefore, it's better if solutions originate from the locality, rather than waiting for some mandarin in Lagos or Abuja.

Because of this forced unitary system, our blessings have become curses. Cattle rearing, which should have been a great source of income for the north (if governments of the region had put in place grazing areas, ranches, agricultural extension and research systems, etc) has become a curse. Oil is another blessing that has become a curse.

You'll be shocked when I post excerpts from the 1960 and '63 constitutions.

I'm waiting patiently, your posts are highly educational.

Logic Mind: This is where you got it wrong. We stopped shooting at each other (temporarily) but it is not over and we are never going to build anything together.
Why? Because the igbos hate Nigeria and everything it represents.
As early as 1967/68, the federal troops have captured most importants biafran cities including capital enugu, nsukka, port harcourt, onitsha etc. By end of 1968 biafran controlled territory has been reduced to a few hundred square miles. Our children were dying of hunger and diseases. Egyptian planes were bombing us. Yet we continued fighting. . Bigger nations have capitulated in front of lesser adversity. If that doesn't tell you the determination of the igbos not to ruled by you people, you then are a big fool.

We are not moving on to build with you. We don't want anything with you. We want out. We want to be on our own. Is that too much to ask for?

You are speaking only for yourself, looking for enemies in your own reflection, fighting the wind and giving yourself health problems.
I see you employed your usual escape route of resorting to emotions when faced with unshakable fact. The last person I quoted was Ojukwu himself.
There were meetings that pledged the friendship of the Midwest, indeed Ojukwu mentions having discussed the matter several times with Mariere, even once at the Niger Bridge (makes you wonder if it wasn't two friends talking over a couple of beers). My brother, you don't throw your friends under the bus and suddenly invade them.

Please, stick to the topic, silly theatrics do not win arguments; "the war is over and propaganda is now useless."

I wish there was a way we could either get back the Aburi Accord or Decree 8 again. With either of those, Nigeria would most likely have been developed today.

People like Olisa, Chuka Umunna, Robert Agbede, Oluyemi Badero etc give a lot of hope and belief to Nigerians living abroad.
It is possible to get to the very top anywhere you are (ask the American President with an African name).
Carry go!

It is evident that people are so sad at the masterstroke of recognising MKO Abiola, a man whose sacrifice led to the ending of a brutal period in Nigerias history in which barbaric dictators and warlords reigned and terrorised the people.

We may not yet have a perfect system, but MKO's death and the struggle that ensued have brought us one step closer. Each passing day and election, bring us yet closer to our dream. I am proud to have personally taken active part in the MKO struggle even as a mere boy.

Shame on the animals that are attempting to ethnicise the issue. I wonder why these bigots could not recognise MKO themselves.

Logic Mind: You will never stop, will you?
Ike nwachukwu was the son of a fulani woman and joined his mother's side when the war broke out. Names can be deceptive.
You keep quoting Yoruba liars as your source but when put to task to state exactly when, where and how these atrocities you accuse us of committing happened, you are found wanting.
When you join a resistance movement against an army, you get shot if caught; as an enemy combattant. It is not a war crime, especially where these so called resistants were poisoning our soldiers and sabotaging our efforts. That is why i said that our soldiers made a mistake of not shooting all of them, seeing that those that committed real war crimes went scott free and some even became heads of state. Those that pointed out the igbos amogst them to be massacred by nigerian soldiers not only took possetion of the properties of my murdered brothers, but went ahead and had children who turn around now and insult the memory of biafran soldiers.

You accuse me of quoting Yoruba's, but I've also quoted Igbo's too. You just reject anything that doesn't fit into your prepared position.
Listen bro, the war is over and propaganda is now useless. It is time to move on and to build.

Resistance movements form against invading forces. The Midwest should never have been invaded, especially as it was friendly to Biafra.
Even worse is the fact that just a few days prior to the invasion, both the Midwest and West had held a meeting with Ojukwu in Enugu, assuring him of their friendship and making it clear that they would dissolve Nigeria if a single Igbo life was taken at any meeting to resolve the crisis.

At the meeting, Ojukwu himself admited to having had several discussions with Chief Mariere from the Midwest:

Dim Odumegwu Ojukwu: I will not go into the details. I have discussed this matter with Chief Mariere on several occasions, indeed one night we discussed it at the Niger Bridge.

(text in red - mine)

http://www.igbofocus.co.uk/The_Biafra/Extract_of_Meeting_Between_Chi/extract_of_meeting_between_chief_awolow_team_and_chief_ojukwu_te.html

After that meeting, came the invasion of the Midwest and movement toward Lagos, a move that shocked both the Midwest and the Western Region.
I sincerely believe that Ojukwu made a grave mistake. In any crisis, you need your friends; it is painful that so many lives were lost.

ACM10: He wz not sacked because Gowon wz distracted by the issue of Ojukwu. It could have a dumb move to make new enemies in the midwest when he iz already dealin with formidable ones in the east. In essence, Gowon wz tryin to make as many friendz as possible. So he overlooked the actionz of Ejoor. Remember that he later replaced him when the event wz under control

Forget this forge, bro. Gowon and Ejoor were always the best of friends at a personal level and remained so.
Accept the facts for what they are; Ejoor stood on principle and the war could have been won without firing a single shot. All these would have been for the betterment of Nigeria. A golden opportunity was thrown away.

I do not see how Ejoor, Ojukwu and Mobalji Johnson would have voted on different sides. Decree 8 gave the regions all the power and made Gowon their puppet.

[size=14pt]The Aburi Accord[/size]

1. Members agree that the legislative and executive authority of the Federal Military Government should remain in the Supreme Military Council, to which any decision affecting the whole country shall be referred for determination provided that where it is possible for a meeting to be held the matter requiring determination must be referred to military governors for their comment and concurrence.

2. Specifically, the council agreed that appointments to senior ranks in the police, diplomatic, and consular services as well as appointment to superscale posts in the federal civil service and the equivalent posts in the statutory corporation must be approved by the Supreme Military Council.

3. The regional members felt that all the decrees passed since January 15, 1966, and which detracted from previous powers and positions of regional governments, should be repealed if mutual confidence is to be restored.

http://www.dawodu.com/aburi3.htm

[size=14pt]The Aburi Accord[/size]

1. Members agree that the legislative and executive authority of the Federal Military Government should remain in the Supreme Military Council, to which any decision affecting the whole country shall be referred for determination provided that where it is possible for a meeting to be held the matter requiring determination must be referred to military governors for their comment and concurrence.

2. Specifically, the council agreed that appointments to senior ranks in the police, diplomatic, and consular services as well as appointment to superscale posts in the federal civil service and the equivalent posts in the statutory corporation must be approved by the Supreme Military Council.

3. The regional members felt that all the decrees passed since January 15, 1966, and which detracted from previous powers and positions of regional governments, should be repealed if mutual confidence is to be restored.

http://www.dawodu.com/aburi3.htm

naptu2: At that time, the Supreme Military Council was composed of the Head of State, the Chief of Staff and Regional Governors (that is, at first, Ironsi, Ogundipe, Ojukwu, Katsina, Fajuyi, Ejoor and Mobolaji Johnson, later on, Gowon, Adebayo and Wey).

During the first republic the regions had considerable autonomy. This continued at the beginning of military rule. For example, the military governor of Mid-West Region, David Ejoor, could declare his region neutral and state that he didn't want Federal or Biafran troops in his region. No military governor in the subsequent regimes could make such a declaration. He would have been sacked and detained, that is if he isn't shot.

I hadn't read this. Thanks, bro.
The above is 100% factual.

Another point of note was that Decree 8 created a situation where at least three of the governors of the four regions (including Ojukwu and Ejoor) would need to be in agreement before any fundamental steps at FG level could be taken (such as troop movements etc).

ACM10: SMC, just like AFRC iz a body of unelected top khaki boyz that are vested with executive and legislative power. But don't be fooled. The person that runs the show iz the Commander-in-chief, while the SMC iz a rubber-stamp body filled with hiz loyalists. Anyone that disagreez with the C-in-C iz either liquidated on trumped-up charges or summarily retired.

Now back to the topic.
1. What provisionz in this decree made Nigeria a Confederation?
2. How does this decree differ from 1999 Constitution?(frankly I see no difference)

Dude, you are empty and just making all sorts of emotional stuff up. Ojukwu was part of the SMC, now this is your second chance to go and find out what it was instead saying things that are from Pluto.

Go and find out what the SMC was and come back.

^
Dude, why are you lying that I said the were no Nigerian troops in the Midwest? What were Nwawo and co? Don't tell lies bro (anyway, its a sign of desperation ).
There were no Northern troops in the Midwest and the Midwest dissallowed the FG from using its territory to attack Biafra. That goodwill went with the invasion.

@PhysicsQED
The troops were indeed sent to Nsukka, leaving the Midwest bare; do check again.
Thanks for clarifying things so completely about Enahoro and the Midwest. With people who reason like Logic Mind, the likes of Ike Nwachukwu who was one of the officers that drove Biafra out of the Midwest must have been representing the Igbo. People like that are just cowards who lie so they can enjoy their roles as bullies.

The victory we have, is that truth can never be hidden. Today Ogbemudia and Ademoyega who fought on opposite sides, but corroborate the stories of widespread atrocities by Biafran invaders in the Midwest, have become liars by the Logic Minds and other latter day revisionists. I wonder why they think Midwesterners created resistance movements to fight the invaders? Even on this thread someone has mentioned that poison was put in food by cooks; yes, that happened and it happened because the people were resisting a brutal invading force.

I am going to paste the text of the Aburi accord on the other, so our revisionists can point out the massive differences and point out to us why so many million had to die when victory had been achieved without firing a shot.