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When church is reduced to an organization that votes on what to accept or reject, confusion ensues. "God is not an author of confusion," says His holy word. In the era of Moses, God led his people by sending His instructions via Moses. In the era of the early church, God gave his people His Holy Spirit to guide them into all truth. We are still in the dispensation of the Holy spirit; It is sad and heartbreaking that some churches do not even recognize the Holy Spirit, let alone listen to Him for direction. It is a surprise that the church that is called by the name of the living God would vote to cast out the Words of the same God they proclaim.

May God help us all.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/anglicans-to-allow-same-sex-marriage-after-vote-recount-1.3676140

Valprof:
they say u r a single mother..not my biz tho....op said d poor gal broke TV and toilet ..did she tell us the circumstances that led to dat? no.....I personally hate people dat breed beyond their pockets and am sure i wont hv more than 3 kids....but life is not always in black and white..there is always a shade of grey....

@ Valprof, if OP had to go into full details no one would read her post. Even though her post was brief, there are lots of information in it. And yes, @SamMilla1's comment was bias, cruel and extreme, even though he had a few positive points.

Did you guys read where she mentioned that the teachers also complained about her attitude and performance? Would you call the teacher EVIL as well? After all the teacher is a neutral party. The comment about the teacher gave a huge credibility to her observations and experience. The fact of the matter is that this child is BROKEN!!! Also, did you read where she mentioned she was tired of BUYING things for her? Would an EVIL person care to buy stuff for her? In addition, she also mentioned that her husband is frustrated, is her husband EVIL as well? Why single her out and label her EVIL when three people observed the same thing? Again, the fact is that the child is BROKEN!!!!! At 11, a well trained child would not be behaving as she described. My take is that the uncle and his wife had not done a great job of raising their child.

I fully agree with you that life is not always in white or black, but no where in her post did she mention that some sort of calamity befell the uncle before he started sending his kids out for other people to train. Both parents are alive and kicking for crying out loud. Agreed, she has her opinion of the uncle and his wife, but one can almost always tell the sort of home a kid is from by the kid's behavior and attitude.

The only reason she gave for being hesitant at first was that she did not know the uncle and kid very well; that was a very valid point and does not make her evil. Even though they are family members, knowing them well before this time would have helped OP make informed decision with her husband. Also, the reason the uncle wanted the child to stay with them was for her to go to school in the city, are there no more boarding schools in the city?

Someone did mention if they even ask whether the girl wanted to be with them or not. 99.9 % chance is that no one cares about what she thinks as average Naija parents are what I call dictatorship-in-love; they want the best for their kids and forget the kids also have a say in the issue that concerns their lives.

The funny part of the post is the bible verse that the family member are using to whip OP's butt; I would think that applies way better to the uncle or am I the only one thinking in that direction? Pulling out the verse to justify having this girl under their roof is pure manipulation with the use of the work of God - sad and disturbing!

SirWere:
Chisos!




I fear you Christians oooooooo




You can twist ehnnnn

See this explanation from http://www.gotquestions.org/Judas-die.html:

Judas hanged himself in the potter’s field (Matthew 27:5), and then, after his body decayed and bloated, evidently the rope broke, and he burst into pieces on the land of the potter’s field (Acts 1:18-19). The Acts passage presumes Judas' hanging, as a man falling down in a field does not result in his body bursting open. Only decomposition and a fall from a height could cause a body to burst open. When Judas threw the thirty pieces of silver down, the priests took the money and used it to buy the potter’s field (Matthew 27:7), not knowing that Judas was going to hang himself there. Judas may not have purchased the field himself, but it was the money Judas received for betraying Jesus that purchased the field.

is that logical ?

lordnicklaus:
The passage in Acts clearly says he fell headlong that is to say He was hanging before he fell.

Folks, the long and short of the report was that Judas died[i][/i] as a result of betraying Jesus (PERIOD). The reports from different people will be different a bit but the meat of the matter is still the same.

@Toks2008, before listing 1m advantages of oil subsidy removal you need to listen to what Buhari said about it 4 years ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmG_dYY7YRA

Who is the fraud now?

I reserve my comments.

GloriaNinja:
you are very correct, if most of the women are independent and well-to-do, their cowardly husbands won't maltreated them like slaves, domestic violence is awful, a man who beats up his wife is weak-hearted and shameless.

@ GloriaNinja, women being independent would not stop an abuser from doing his thing. A lady very close to me who has her own business (and doing great) went through serious abuse for about 5 years. When I say abuse, I mean serious “panel beating” – days of broken hands, red eyes, etc Cases that she ended up in hospital for days. She was not only abused physically, but even verbally and the man collected every kobo she made from her business. She finally “escaped” to America and the last I heard the stupid man was begging the woman’s family to send his wife back to him.

refiner:
Good day friends and Merry Sunday!

this question have been bothering me for so long so I decided to write it down here,I might find a clear solution here!

in the bible Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus,and remember Judas betrayal was already known to God,did Judas have a choice,and should he be held responsible for betraying Jesus?

is our salvation predestined by God? or is it a result of our own free will to respond to God's grace?

could Judas Iscariot have changed his own destiny by choosing to ask God's forgiveness like peter did,instead of committing suicide?OR was he pre-destined to betray jesus and become the vessel of God's wrath?

please a matured and clear reply.....


cc lalasticlala

@ Op,

Predestination is different from foreknowledge. God knew Judas would betray Jesus, but He did not predestined him to do so. In the same way, God already knew those that would accept Christ’s gift and be saved and those that would not, but He did not predestined <u>individuals</u> to go to hell/heaven.

As per Judas, read the following scriptures:

John 12:
Six days before the Passover ceremonies began, Jesus arrived in Bethany where Lazarus was—the man he had brought back to life. 2 A banquet was prepared in Jesus’ honor. Martha served, and Lazarus sat at the table with him. 3 Then Mary took a jar of costly perfume made from essence of nard, and anointed Jesus’ feet with it and wiped them with her hair. And the house was filled with fragrance.
4 But Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples—the one who would betray him—said, 5 “That perfume was worth a fortune. It should have been sold and the money given to the poor.” 6Not that he cared for the poor, but he was in charge of the disciples’ funds and often dipped into them for his own use!

Judas was stealing from the disciples’ fund! And he did OFTEN. This, I believe, opened him up to what happened to him later in Luke 22:

And now the Passover celebration was drawing near—the Jewish festival when only bread made without yeast was used. 2 The chief priests and other religious leaders were actively plotting Jesus’ murder, trying to find a way to kill him without starting a riot—a possibility they greatly feared.
Then Satan entered into Judas Iscariot, who was one of the twelve disciples, 4 and he went over to the chief priests and captains of the Temple guards to discuss the best way to betray Jesus to them. 5 They were, of course, delighted to know that he was ready to help them and promised him a reward. 6 So he began to look for an opportunity for them to arrest Jesus quietly when the crowds weren’t around.

Also, read carefully what Jesus said when he prayed for his disciples in John 17:

9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept;and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

Note that Jesus said he kept those that God gave him except for Judas, referred to as the son of perdition. So, why did Jesus not keep him or pray for him like he did for Peter when Satan tried to sift the disciples (Luke 22:31-32)? The answer is in the last sentence: so that the scriptures might be fulfilled! God foreknew that Judas would be Jesus’ disciple; He knew Judas would allow Satan to enter him and betray Jesus; God put it in His Word and Jesus predicted it, and it happened.

Trexnemesis:
Hu e epp na?

See ya head! You will not see "Hu e epp" until she starts giving out free lunch, "epp" someone wey wan do burial, naming,etc, abi? How about the people that will rent the homes? And Yes, they will pay for it! See ya head again! That is still not "epp", abi? she must give out the homes for free. If no be say you be nairalander, I for just call you Akpos, Itib_ or Atutuyoyo.

Even though I'm not a big fan of G.V., I'm pretty impressed. Hope those Naija celebrities who spend their money on doodads and boondoggles will learn from her before they end up eating banana 3X a day.

ifegy:
Not a permanent resident visa. You apply for a work permit, and then for a PR. Go to cic.gc.ca for information on studying and immigrating. Students can take advantage of the ability to work and build on that to become permanent residents.

Exactly! you don't just get to Canada with student Visa and them request for it to be "converted" to PR. You still have to apply for work permit, get work, get required experience, then apply for PR. On the other hand, you can as well apply for PR from Nigeria; although if you come to CA with student visa, your PR journey will probably be shorter and easier so far you fulfilled all the requirements.

Best of lucky!

Caleycash:
you er passing a wrong info, you can convert your visa after studying and having a Canadian work experience that's if your working and studying... it's obviously difficult to attain, give it a shot if your capable

Can you please post a link to where you got your info from? I'm particularly interested in the portion where you walk into a Canadian immigration office with a study visa and walk out with a permanent resident visa.

excellencyabia1:
Why is it that God does not answer people until the issue gets out of hand or someone dies. Is it that he don't have the same equal feelings for all?

@ OP, your question is not a simple yes and no answer; however, I will touch on what I believe is the main issue with “unanswered prayer. “

To start with, I do not believe there is anything like unanswered prayer because we serve a living God who loves us and loves to fellowship with us. Now, imagine a world where you can kneel down, close your eyes and ask God for anything and it will be done unto you according to your words; how do you think that world would be? So, in a nut shell, you will not always get everything you ask for because at times we ask amiss without even knowing.

Now, have you ever asked your parents for something that seemed extremely important to you and they said NO; but leaving them you felt great because of the response they gave you? It is the same with prayers, the answer to your prayer is not always getting what you ask for but in the response that God gives you. When you pray and God responds, your prayer has been answered!

What am I saying in essence? When you offer your prayer, what does God tell you about the situation you are praying about? Prayer is a dialogue, remember? A lot of Christians follow the classic model of prayer - worship, thank God for all He has done, ask for forgiveness of sin and ask for whatever you want; then walk away and expect things to happen just as they have asked. If what they asked for did not come to pass, they get frustrated. What about the other part of the dialogue ?! What did God say concerning the situation you prayed about? God is not a genie one can just conjure up via prayer at one’s convenience and have Him run errands in the name of faith. He is the one in charge, not us. He calls the shots and we follow. God desires to tell us what to do about that situation before it gets out of hand or even before the person dies, but we just don’t listen or wait for God’s end of the dialogue. Christianity is all about relationship with God, and if we maintain a good relation with God, he will tell us things even way before they happen. When Christianity is reduced to religion, that is when frustration and pain sets in.

Kay17:
The idea is babies develop in the womb. They gain significant attributes and features that make them more and more human. If you concede to this point, it means that there is an early stage whereby the baby isn't sufficiently formed to be regarded as a human with the special features that make it human.

It is at this stage the foetus can safely be extracted without moral consequences.

Abortion has a bad reputation but a careful scrutiny reveals its advantages.

Kay17, look at the bold portions of your post.

If you agree that babies "develop" in the womb, why won't you agree that they are babies and living at all stages? What is not present or non-living things cannot develop, right? Except you are saying the babies were something else and then turned to babies at some point during the pregnancy.

What features exactly make a baby a human being? Did you know that as early as 3 days after conception, the embryo already has the stem cells that will develop to all the organs of the baby body? At this time, the baby is full human in cell form!

I have read some responses that suggested that babies are human when they grow legs, hand, organs etc. So, what about babies born without limbs etc? are they less human being? Saying it is okay to kill a baby before they develop these organs is simply a way to justify and quieten the conscience of the woman and the abortionist. Even at that, a large percentage of women that had abortion at any stage live with the regret for the rest of their lives. Who, really, under "normally circumstances" will opt for abortion instead of having the baby?

@ OP,

Since you are still living with your parents, why not share your pain with them? They can provide you with the comfort and help you need; that is what parents are for. Shed off the load and let then help you carry it. You are too young to be dealing with this all by yourself. And don't even think of suicide because of the this "little" issue. Life is too sweet jare.

On the other hand, I remember a fellow classmate had such back in my sec school days. I don't remember if he did anything about it but I do remember some students made fun of him and life went on. You see, there is nothing new under the sun, and this is not peculiar to you. People have had it, dealt with it and lived a good life. So, see a Dr. and start "chopping metal" as some good folks have advised.

pinceprinz:
My point is that if you must abort a pregnancy, do it before it can be said to be a grown foetus. Aborting a pregnancy is still legal before 12weeks of its cycle when it begets heart not.

MrBrownJ & pinceprinz,

Both of you should stop deceiving one another. Because aborting within 12 weeks is legal (wherever) does not make it right. What is the difference between the young fetus and the grown one? It is not the same baby? Without the young fetus can there ever be the grown one? If the young fetuses "WHO" grew up to become both of you today had ended up being sucked out of your respective mothers, would you two be here today to contribute your quota? Do you even know how dangerous abortion is at any point in the pregnancy cycle?

I dare you two to watch the videos in the link below and still remain the same:

AbortionsProcedures.com

And did I mention that the first line of defense is the old fashion abstinence? and it is the only form of "protection" that is 100% guaranteed!!!

Toks2008:
When i say marriage is like a black market i meant that no matter how it seems before marriage,there is always a dint of uncertainty lureking somewhere to appear.

A sweet charming caring guy can turn crazy after marriage likewise a sweet loving decent lady can turn jezebel.The rich dude you marry could turn flat broke and the reverse can happen and just as i wrote, a power horse in the bedroom can turn to a jelly fish as a result of many things so marriage is indeed a black market where we must expect the unexpected and be ready to face it head-on believing that GOD the originator and founder of the institution will always see us through.

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I see your point. Thanks for clarifying that part.

Toks2008:
The write up as innocuous as it sounds has some vagueness in it.

Yes sex is important but is that all there is to marriage?

Ok what if he happens to be a super man and after marriage something happens and he goes limp what would you do?

Marriage is like a black market and in as much as sex is vital,it is not the most important and its a good thing that these days we have so many innovations and a man can buy a life like penis and wear it to please his wife and of-course there are many ways a woman can have sexual pleasure without any form of worrey as regards the performance of the husband.

This write up promotes fornication and even if i believe that a sister can subtly observe the bidy language of the guy at least to see if the thing is lifting,many sisters may get carried away and want to do actual greasing of the boris to be double sure hence start committing sexual sins which of-course once you start,it wil be hard to stop.

Thank you bro.

The million Naira question for the OP still remains: what would he do if he did all the test driving he desired and NEPA stuck after marriage? How limited is man in wisdom and knowledge?!

Meanwhile, marriage shouldn't be a black market as you tagged it. The key to having a successful marriage or successful anything at all is to start and maintain a good relationship with the One who knows the end from the beginning. Knowing Him shines light on the dark path of life and guides us in our journey into any unchartered territory. It is painful to watch people try to use their limited senses to succeed while all they require to succeed is freely available to them.

dmandy:
I will take Road A sharp sharp.

What if you know a friend who has passed through road A, would you ask him to show you road A, or would you rather guess which road is A or B?

Brahahahahahaha !!! You and your bro from Italy are just unbelievable!!!

Was there any mention of friend in the question? Why do you have to guess? The question clearly states Road "A" and road "B." If the question simply said two roads without labels, then the risk of missing which is which will exist. See you life outside? Simple question, you failed woefully.

The same thing you do with the bible - add your own piece by the way of assumptions and complicate simple verses.

E.g in one of your posts, you asked me what those saints did when they rose up from their graves . How on mother earth would I know? the bible did not say more than they rose form their grave and showed themselves to folks. Whether they spoke to anyone, met with their families, ate, drank, returned to their graves, rose to the sky or stayed alive for several more years, WE DON'T KNOW. So, leave it that way! Don't assume anything. Those few lines that described the event were included in the scriptures for a purpose and they achieved the purpose. So, what they did afterward is of no significance. I'll leave you to figure our that purpose. FYI, it is okay to say I don't know as a christian and that is why the bible say we know in part in this world. You cannot know everything, otherwise you don become God be that o!

Here is the same final thought I gave to ya bro from Italy:
For some weird reason you wanted to take road B, but to get you to your destination for sure on Road B, you must change the question. The same thing you are doing with the bible. Despite the fact that Jesus said he is the only way(100%) to the father, you decide to follow some Mary/Saint way (that will maybe or maybe not get you to the father) and therefore you much change the bible to fit your assumption. Q.E.D.

It is finished!

italo:
I would take the road that leads to my destination 100%.

In this case, both roads lead to my destination 100%.

Concerning the bold, you're saying Matt17:3, 1Cor14:12, 1John3:2, John11:26,27 etc that prove that the saints can hear and communicate are not scripture?

Meanwhile you have not shown one verse that says "Mary cannot hear prayers"...from Genesis to Revelation.

See your life outside!
A simple test, you failed woefully. Little wonder you're quoting scriptures out of context and picking and choosing.

Was this what the question say?

In this case, both roads lead to my destination 100%.

For some weird reason you wanted to take road B, but to get you to your destination for sure on Road B, you must change the question. The same thing you are doing with the bible. Despite the fact that Jesus said he is the only way(100%) to the father, you decide to follow some Mary/Saint way (that will maybe or maybe not get you to the father) and therefore you much change the bible to fit your assumption. Q.E.D.

It is finished!

Are you not ashamed of these lame evading tactics.

Why can't you, "christian," look the truth straight in in eyes and accept that dead men in the bible communicated with someone who wasn't dead?

This is what opposition to the Catholic Church does...

It inevitably leads to opposition to scripture.

dmandy:
Thank you Sir,

When he stops doubting the scriptures maybe he will start understanding that God is 'all powerful' and can do anything. Tell him that Our lord said 'He is in error because he does not know the Scriptures or the power of God' Matt 22:29

Both of you are clowns and should be confined in the circus to entertain unbelievers with your antics of trying to force a square peg into a round hole!

It is more than 2wks that this thread opened and you are yet to provide just one scripture to back up your claims. It is abundantly clear that you neither know nor understand the God you claim to serve. As I have mentioned earlier, the message of the bible is extremely simple, you will need someone to help you miss it. Let me ask you one last question before I leave . . .

If road A leads to your destination, 100% guaranteed and road B may or may not lead you to your destination, which one would you take? It is not a trick question o. Just apply common sense and should get the right answer.

dmandy:
I take it that you are joking. Unique to Jesus you say? What does 'communicate' mean to you?

What do you make of this statement 'The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many'?

Was there communication of any form therein?

Braahahahaahahahahahahahah!!!!

Your case is like that person trying to hide behind a NEPA pole. How convenient? see the quote below:

@Italo,

Brother, u don't get it. Your man wants a verse in the Holy Book where it is explicitly written 'communication' not talking or any other thing. U de mind them?

Do you remember those words? See ya life outside!

Now you want to use "communicate" and not "talking" since "talking" did no happen in the scripture you quoted. Just see ya head!!!

Thank God you did not assume this time that the dead who rose up from their graves went back home and lived happily ever after

You should really cover your face with both your hands and run out of this thread with your tail between your legs just as you did earlier when @Jeromejnr crushed all your attempts to feed us with all the trash that your denomination has stuffed into your thick skull.

Again, this example does not show in any way that those who are dead can hear the living. The event you quoted has its significance in the work of salvation that Jesus came to accomplish. Do you know that both events on Mount of transfiguration that your bros provided and this one occurred only because of Jesus? Prior to Jesus and after him, was there any event like these?

How can I start to educate you on these deep verses when you don't even understand that man, either dead or alive, cannot be omnipresent e.t.c.

italo:
Matt 17:3 proves that people who have died and left this world can communicate on earth.

Yes or no?

NO

Provide a scripture that says pray to Mary or example of anyone who prayed to Mary or dead saints, you are quoting the event on mount of transfiguration. Again, when you pray to Mary or dead saints, do they manifest like Moses and Elijah? If you cannot look at two situations and determine their similarities, where are we going to start to explain to you the significance of the event in Matt 17? If that event proved anything at all in respect of praying to the dead, it would be that it is not possible or why did Jesus not just talk with them without them manifesting on earth?
Eh bro?

italo:
No part, whether red or blue or green, says that "we will know ourselves."

The bible say we will see clearly and know in full.

Obviously, you have been brainwashed to the extent that you don't even remember your punctuation.

italo:
A person who is trying to evade truth can be identified by his refusal to answer simple questions.
Here are my questions again:

Can the spiritually alive hear prayers on earth?

I say yes.

If you say no, how does God and the Angels hear prayers? Are they physical?

LOL! You made a bold statement and want me to prove you wrong. If does not work that way, bro. Since you said yes, I need proof. So, provide scripture(s) to back up your stand first.

italo:
It's a lie. Here's your MSG translation.

1Cor13:12 We don’t yet see things clearly. We’re squinting in a fog, peering through a mist. But it won’t be long before the weather clears and the sun shines bright! We’ll see it all then, see it all as clearly as God sees us, knowing him directly just as he knows us!

Nowhere does it say we'll see or know ourselves.

It says we'll see it all...and we'll know Him.

It's clear as daylight.

Again, you cannot just remove a portion of a sentence and throw the remaining part away; you run the risk of wrong interpretation.

It says we'll see it all...and we'll know Him. The sentence did not end at "all." Was the portion I painted red in your post not part of the sentence?

italo:
Or maybe Elijah and Moses were still alive on earth when this happened...

Or maybe these anti-Catholics just don't read the Bible...

Good job bro!

From your post:
Matt 17:3
Then the three disciples saw Moses and Elijah talking with Jesus.

Moses and Elijah only spoke with Jesus and that makes it an experience unique to Jesus. Moreover, that is totally different from what we are discussing here. Your example will only be acceptable if you confirm that Mary and the saints appear to you and you talk with them each time you offer your prayers to them. If you cannot confirm that, then please provide another example; again, just one. Just one, bro!

italo:
Genesis talking about spiritual death.

Hebrews talking about earthly physical death.

Jesus talking about spiritual life.

Believers never die...meaning spiritual/eternal life never ends.

So Mary and the saints are spiritually alive.

Can the spiritually alive hear prayers on earth?

I say yes.

If you say no, how does God and the Angels hear prayers? Are they physical?

Good! I'm happy you have understanding of physical and spiritual deaths. So, if Jesus was talking about spiritual life, how did you come to the conclusion that physically dead human being who are spiritually alife can communicate with people that are not physically dead? Please show me one example, just one, from the bible where someone who is not dead had any form of communication with dead but spiritually alife person. Just one example, bro.

italo:
That moment when you add your words to scripture so it can suit your false doctrine.

The Bible says we will know and understand fully and clearly.

You added "ourselves" somewhere in there.

The Bible says we shall be like God.

You still haven't been able to explain how the saints are like God.

Work harder!

The "I" and "us" in red in my post refer to "ourselves". I did not add it. You missed that because you pulled out "we shall be like God" only from the sentence and disregarded the part that provided the explanation of how.

italo:
I see!

So you believe God is God of the dead and not the living?

You believe that Jesus was lying when he said believers never die?

Look at the verses below:

King James Bible - Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Did they die the day they ate the fruit? Did the bible lie?

King James Bible - Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

Did the bible lie since Jesus said that God is the God of the living?

italo:
First of all, forget about the message bible that arbitrarily omits, adds to and changes the words of the bible to promote a false understanding.

The message omitted the following verses from the bible:

Matt 17:21
Matt 23:14
Mark 7:16
Mark 9:44
Mark 9:46
Mark 11:26
Mark 15:28
Luke 17:36
Luke 23:17
John 5:4
Acts 8:37
Acts 15:34
Acts 24:7
Acts 28:29
Romans 16:24
1 John 5:7 

And also omitted "but by every word of God" from Luke 4:4 amongst other distortions.

The Bible says "we shall be like him for we shall see him as he is."

Leave it at that.

Nowhere did the bible say 'it doesn't include hearing prayers.'

See this verse in your AMP and MSG:

1Cor13:12 For now we are looking in a mirror that gives only a dim (blurred) reflection [of reality as [e]in a riddle or enigma], but then [when perfection comes] we shall see in reality and face to face! Now I know in part (imperfectly), but then I shall know and understand [f]fully and clearly, even in the same manner as I have been [g]fully and clearly known and understood [[h]by God].

1Cor13:12 We don’t yet see things clearly. We’re squinting in a fog, peering through a mist. But it won’t be long before the weather clears and the sun shines bright! We’ll see it all then, see it all as clearly as God sees us, knowing him directly just as he knows us!

With all their editing and distorting, they didn't have the mind to omit the fact that in heaven "we shall know and understand fully and clearly."

Are you going to tell me that the saints know fully but do not know the prayers offered to God?

The bible also says "they are like angels." do angels not know the prayers said to God?

What different translations omit or add is a different story and there are acceptable explanations for their actions.

Back to the issue at hand, even in the translation you provided, the discussion is all around and in relation to knowing things about ourselves that we do not know now. I've expanded the ones you made bold in your post to include the rest of the scripture that will clarify your understanding. Right now, on earth, we only know few things about ourselves, but God knows us fully and completely. When we get to heaven, then we will have full understanding of ourselves just has God already knew us even while we were here.

Think about it, if Christians get to heaven and become all knowing (omniscient), hearing all peoples prayer (omnipresent) then they have become Gods! Those are characters of God that He does not share with anything.

italo:
So we can't doubt that they can hear prayers on earth, like God.

1Cor13:12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

1John3:2 We know, that, when he shall appear, we shall be like to him: because we shall see him as he is.

Benjibabs, are those verses missing from your bible or is your bible missing from your shelf?

You are reading your bible out of context. The two translations below will help you understand.

1 John 3Amplified Bible (AMP)
2 Beloved, we are [even here and] now God’s children; it is not yet disclosed (made clear) what we shall be [hereafter], but we know that when He comes and is manifested, we shall [as God’s children] resemble and be like Him, [b]for we shall see Him [c]just as He [really] is.

1 John 3The Message (MSG)
2-3 But friends, that’s exactly who we are: children of God. And that’s only the beginning. Who knows how we’ll end up! What we know is that when Christ is openly revealed, we’ll see him—and in seeing him, become like him. All of us who look forward to his Coming stay ready, with the glistening purity of Jesus’ life as a model for our own.

Pay attention to the portion in bold. We will be like him ONLY in the sense of seeing him as he his. When Jesus was here they could not see him in His full glory because they were still in the flesh. At the end of age when we have received our immortal body, we will be able to behold his full glory." To be like" him here does not include the ability to hear peoples' prayers at all, not to talk of hearing them simultaneously.

italo:
The bible already tells us that Mary and the saints are like God.

Where exactly is this in your bible ?

OLAADEGBU:
Can Mary hear our prayers? Can Mary or any of the dead saints hear our prayers?

You already answered you own questions; see the word in bold font. Can anything dead hear?

Christianity is extremely simple; you will actually need someone to help you miss it.

In addition, did you read any where in your bible that you should pray to Mary or saint anything? If not, why would you expect Mary or any so called saint to even hear your prayers, that is if they can HEAR in DEATH in the first place.

Bro, read your bible and follow what the bible says you should do, period!