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the Nigerian military is a disgrace. this idiot in uniform should account for his boys.

It is about time Obasanjo is the best man for that job. peace will come to DRC at last

I think that the poster needs psychological help. that interview was spot on.

1) Education! Education! Education!
2) Invest in the infrastructure, by ensuring that the roads are good, that the rail systems are functional. and connecting north to south, east to west. Electricity must also be functional, with enough back-up suppliers.
3) We must put competent people in offices; we must say no to mediocrity and ineptitude.

Lets agree , for the sake of argument abacha was not a thief, In the same statement, this old fool says

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the same Abacha doled out $10 million to his former Minister of Finance, Chief Anthony Ani, when the latter complained to him that he was broke.


where did the money come from, his wages as head of state?

I wonder o!

I wonder why Ethiopia is always bringing shame to Africa; why don't they ever learn? Very soon musicians across the world will be singing: "WE ARE THE WORLD", "FEED THE WORLD".

I think this laws should be reviewed, they are crazy  

SeanT21:
do america have to step in like they did in liberia?

I thought it was Nigeria that stepped in, in Liberia.

If those heroines (prostitutes from India) hadn't killed Abacha, I would have done it myself. Imagine someone who brought misery and hopelessness to Nigeria - now they are calling him a saint. Tufiakwa! (spit)

If you wish to make comparisons to OBJ - unlike Abacha, he brought hope to the country in the midst of hopelessness and decay. Not many people can do more than he's done, in terms of resuscitating Nigeria. Baba has his flaws, he isn't a saint either. But for what it's worth, I think he's better than Abacha.

10 years after, how do I remember Abacha? Abacha was a nightmare I'd rather forget.

Mr Landis, abacha was a dictator and we suffered terribly under 5 years of his rule so the matter of saint does not come into this. OBJ was much better than him in terms of human rights, economic growth, due process , and in almost every other area except provision of electricity. I leave the ex presidents for God to judge, especially IBB who in the past condemned abacha and now is praising him

you can say that again.

All past military heads of state were present to honor one of their own. My question is where was OBJ?

Funny, probably relaxing with a cup of tea. why should OBJ go to honor Abacha? for killing prominent Nigerian people like ken sara-wiwa etc  . Abacha would have also killed OBJ if not for GOD.  

Abacha is a saint?

Lord have mercy! that coming from IBB, I am not surprised he is also a saint including hitler and mobutu seseko. all the saints in the house holler.

I think they should replace shell with BP an hope for the best.

For all you Mumus who keep arguing with me for arguing's sake, going round in circles and selectively quoting my posts (especially 4play and Sagamite, the smart mugus), watch this and hear it from the horse's mouth:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2008/06/04/vinci.italy.fao.summit.cnn?iref=videosearch

So I suggest you all shut the h*ll up because you have no idea what is going on there. You are the real Mumus.

(I know you still won't believe it even after hearing the truth and you will continue to argue uselessy, calling Mugabe a liar as if you are one of the members of his government; but just for the record, I tried).

I wash my hands off this issue. I am not even from Zimbabwe. What is my own.

@ debosky:

To the first part in bold, this is the basic problem with Africans - yes he was good before, but now he is PAST IT - He has lost all reasonable ability to run Zimbabwe properly, and therefore he SHOULD GO. Why must he rule the country forever? Situations and circumstances of the world economy have changed, and he could not adapt, hence his failure. HE SHOULD LEAVE. At his age now i'm sure some degree of senility has crept in, he is no longer at his prime and others can serve Zim better.

You are beating a dead horse. We have already agreed that he should go. Why are you bringing this up again? The only reason I mentioned the fact that he ruled Zimbabwe many years with no major problems is because the West is trying to make it look like he all of a sudden turned into this great big idiot overnight. I am not endorsing that he stay in power - on the contrary. Please read my above posts before making assumptions.

As to the second part in bold, you show, again, your lack of understanding of the fundamental issues. Zimbabwe was the FOOD BASKET (not wine and tobacco basket) of southern Africa, meaning substantial food cultivation was going on alongside those cash crops; you make it seem like only wine and cheese were being produced, or are the maize and milk producers in Shonga, Kwara state who came from Zim also growing wine there?

It seems you really don't get it! There is such a thing as farming that is VIABLE. A food basket is sufficient to feed and sustain the locals, but the bottom line is, at the end of the day, this is not what brings in the cash! And you need this cash to keep the economy going! How can you sustain the farming sector solely by producing "food basket" crops, when there is no profitable farming (wine, cheese, tobacco) to bring in the revenue which fuels the whole economy? Plus, this viable farming brings with it industries (e.g. production, processing and packaging), which in turn creates more jobs and brings in yet more revenue. Take away this viable farming, and what you get is a domino effect - a collapse of industries.
Even if you export "food basket" crops to neighbouring African countries, this will not bring in enough revenue.

I am done with this topic. Unlike Mugabe, I know when to retire!

Kobojunkie:
I have a question for you @Beystwin. What particular sanctions are you referring to here??

No need to claim we are brainwashed cause we do not see the world and issues through the same spectacles but come on. You are essentially sitting here, trying to play the same old "RACE/BLAME THE WEST" card and you somehow believe we should all see it the same way, when evidence is clear it is not? Come on!!!

This is not an issue of "seeing the world and issues through different spectacles". You are displaying what psychology terms "selective attendance" - focusing on one issue and ignoring the rest. If IMF/World Bank don't give you a loan, is that not a form of sanction?
Capital (or lack thereof) is a driving factor in the failure of black farmers to deliver.

I am definitely not anti-Oyibo. Nor am I anti-West. However, I do know when hidden policies can make a country fail. These policies may not have been made explicit for everyone to see, but they still exist.

The bottom line is that the West is demonstrating that African countries should never challenge the West - they will fail miserably.

@ 4 Play and Kobojunkie:

Okay, I give you the machinery importation bit. (Although China's machinery no good like Western one! )

But regardless of that, my argument still stands, due to the financial/capital aspect. How are the black farmers going to farm when they aren't given loans to fund their businesses (due to financial institutions being controlled by whites)?

The Western world is trying to make Mugabe look like an idiot, and it seems as though they are succeeding, because clearly a lot of you have been brainwashed into believing their crap. Is it not the same Mugabe who ruled Zimbabwe for many years prior to these upheavals?

Also, who is going to buy their products (tobacco, cheese, wine etc.)? Is it Britain or the US who will buy it?? Is it Africans who eat this cheese and drink this wine?
And the other products (ground nuts etc.) simply aren't as viable!

@4 Play:

It is people like you who make any sort of intelligent discussion impossible.
This topic was fairly civil, with people criticizing each other's opinions rather than the person writing the posts, until you butted in with your personal attacks, hiding your ignorance behind "big grammar". Plus, your posts clearly show that you are a coon for your "massa". I am embarassed for you.

Yeye dey smell.

madamkoko:
You're right. The powerful West is using Mugabe as a scapegoat. So does this mean that Africa will continue to be a colony ?

Understood that most African leaders are corrupt, however the West is just as bad and even worse, although western civilization is able to give their citizens the basic necessitiees,

I guess that is the bitter truth.

It's silly to claim their farming equipment originated from the west without any proof. These white guys had lived in Zimbabwe 9formerly Rhodesia) for decades. it's far more likely that the equipment came from South Africa, a country that had been sympathetic with Mugabe's regime for donkey years.

@texazzpete:
You are only proving my point! Is it not white people in South Africa who own the machinery?
Thabo Mbeki may have been sympathetic to Zimbabwe, but not the white people who own the banks, factories and basically run the economy there. And certainly not the blacks, who have resorted to killing Zimbabwean immigrants.

So what is your point, exactly?

Mechanised farming is capital-intensive and requires technology. It requires a viable market. It requires more than most people think. All these are things that Oyibo people have.

Mugabe should not have removed Oyibo people because they owned the economy. They own the whole of Southern Africa.

texazzpete:
You guys have still failed to show how Western Sanctions turned a nation that was the food basket of eastern africa into a nation of famine.
This despite the fact that Zimbabwe could get as much fetilizer et al from other Eastern African countries.

or did Blair and Bush render Zimbabwe's soil infertile?

Isn't it obvious enough?
Their farming machinery and equipment originate from the Western countries. Therefore, sanctions affected them badly.

Another factor is that when the black farmers took over from the white farmers, there was no point in them manufacturing the same products (e.g. viable products such as wine, cheese, tobacco), because these products were mainly sold to the Western world, and due to the sanctions imposed by the West, there is no viable market for black farmers manufacturing these products.

Of course there were other crops they could produce (e.g. ground nut, corn); however, these at the time were less viable.

Lastly, capital was another factor. Most banks in Zimbabwe were owned by whites, and when the white farmers left, it was difficult for black farmers to get loans.

This is how sanctions affect the economy.

madamkoko:
When will African leaders start taking responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming the west.

I like Mugabe's strategy around land reform, because approximately 1% of whites in Zimbabwe owned like 95% of the land, so yes land reform is very important. However, the way he is going about making these drastic and very important changes is only making him an enemy rather than creating allies, But then we know that anything anti-white is seen as än enemy,

Many African Union leaders have stayed mum shot about his radical ideas because he WAS a freedom fighter,

I mean Zimbabwe faces soo many challenges but being close to South Africa (which is among the economic prospering countries in the continent), one would have thought otherwise,

What do yáll think about Mugabe and the changes he's trying to make?

Mugabe may be a dictator, he may be powerdrunk, but he is not a mumu.
Despite the fact that Mugabe and Zimbabwe have failed because the people are suffering, this doesn't mean that he is daft. The situation in Zimbabwe is just a clear example of the Western world demonstrating how powerful they are and how harshly they will deal with whoever opposes them. They are using Zimbabwe as a scapegoat.
It is not about white farmers being chased out of the country and black farmers not being able to take their place. Clearly, Zimbabwe is suffering due to the sanctions that have been placed on it by the Western world. The Western world is trying to make other African countries follow suit, until Mugabe throws in the towel.
Very sad indeed, this situation. My suggestion to Mugabe is to give up so his people have a better life, because he has definitely failed. Lesson learned.

"Oyibo, we will never challenge you again! You win!"

superman:
quinofhart
oh i know. no mnd those fools. watch nigeria indenpence coming up on bentv, u will surely see most of them in the rave!

some are even making love to their green card! check out the kolo-junkies crew this are the people hoping the white america will take over nigeria so their partner could become nigeria first lady
bafoons! kiss my teeth

Are you disrespecting me? Are you disrespecting me?? Am I bovvered though??

thank you for sticking up for our country, you even have time to list things, its wasted unfortuntately . Anyway those saying there is absolutely nothing good about Nigeria and absolutely no reason to be patriotic are the first in England and the US etc to trek to their neighbourhood stadiums etc to watch their so called jaga jaga country play football and scream the loudest flying their green white green like they actually live in Nigeria. Its just a small example but lets not be hypocrites here. i am sure if a non African man or woman calls one of them here jungle rat or say ''go back to Africa'' they will be the first to beat their chest like wild gorillas shouting how proud they are to be Nigerian. in the words of Catherine Tate 'what a load o shit''

Am I bovvered though? Look at my face - do I look bovvered?

redsun:
africom bullshit,we are suppose to be sovereign nations relying on the military strategy and assistance of prospective enemies,like a hiding ostrich.I wonder what we think of independence as a people.

Most great countries of this world have US military base on their soils. eg Japan, Germany, Great Britain on and on.

Sir, could you please give 1 example of something good to talk about Nigeria?

Well, one good thing is that all Nigerian generals complement their uniforms with a walking stick. Nice!

Jesu! come see lagos boys. . they scare the little hair I got on my skin off

You too funny!

@ thread: Maybe Nigerians back home should start complaining more. It is only in Nigeria where you see the government repairing roads and the people dancing with joy. Why are these people so happy and grateful? Aren't they supposed to say that it's about time?!
Just a thought.