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Now you guys are talking.

Corruption is everywhere and part of life; while we find a better strategy to reduce it we must not lose focus on important issue Nigerian citizens are facing daily.

BUSHFELLOW: Nice one.
You stated that instead of making annoying fruitless noise, we should work together and discover a way to totally remove the immunity protecting public office holders so they can be held accountable while in office.
No need to wait for these bastards to plan their exit strategy; it will just be "Catch and Carry straight to jail"

I truly admire this idea; I think it is another effective way to reduce corruption.

Please, do me a favor, go ahead and start the prosecution process.

We shall all see the repercussion.

The new administration will be distracted for the next 4 years, innocent will suffer/ die, economy will crumble into dust, corrupt lawyers and judges will get richer, politicians will also get richer, unity among Nigerians will dissolved like ice cube under the sun and at the end of the day IBB will remain free and still smiling in his living room. That is the fact.

Please go ahead and see what happens.

Trying to prosecute IBB will be a mere waste of time and money; all the leaders know this fact.

Why do you want to engage in a fight that you can't win?

It makes no sense to me at all.

Today, Bush continues to pay every single day for the past few years for not being sensible before making his decision.
There is a big difference between fighting Togo (ehindero) and figting the Great Britain (IBB).

And please, don't miss understand my point, I'm not here trying to justify or condone IBB past mistakes, but only being sensible and realistic about the whole situation.

McKren, I'm sure you know my policy "I don't follow and I view things from a different angle"

Our main priority at this time should be stabilizing the economy and elevating the low standard of living in Nigeria. Absolutely not fighting a rat race war.

You continue to mix things up.

You have to be smart to pick the right fight before going to war, my man.

IBB is different from Ehindero.
Ehindero will be finished in just 2 hours and Nigerians will not be deprived of any sleeping time.

Please, stop comparing the two; the different is very clear.

I hope this new development is true.

No disrespect to Mr. Ribadu, he's a fine Nigerian and still one of my favorite Nigerians around today.

Releasing Ribadu from his current position will be a sensible move for the new administration and for Nigeria in general.
This move will prevent corrupt politicians or leaders from having any excuses when the prosecution starts.

Moreover, releasing him will definitely help the new administration to move forward with the "war against corruption project" more effectively and efficiently.

While I support this move, I also support re-dispatching Ribadu to another position with the federal government. A man like Ribadu must stay around, I think the man has a lot left to give.

There is absolutely no need to panic, there is another Ribadu out there somewhere; Nigerians are bright people and we do still have honest, sincere and dedicated Nigerians out there. Hence replacing Ridabu will be difficult, but it is possible.

No need to feel bad; regardless of where or what he ends up doing, the man will be fine.

The problem here is the fact that we do not have substantial wisdom to see through the dark, we are too uneager and too afraid to deeply think beyond the limitation point and we rather follow than lead. This is because we've been taken for a ride for too long, hence most of us are just used to this indoctrinated lifestyle.

MAMAJAMA, do you remember how I spent several months trying to persuade you guys from buying what OBJ was selling? It was crystal clear to me that it didn't make any sense to be spending so much money and time trying to stop Atiku from contesting the presidential election. During that period many did not see my point.
I clearly stated that let's use the money and time to educate the voters and empower the election process or system. Many condemned my recommendation, while others stated that I was paid to promote the idea. But guess what?
Atiku still successfully contested just like any other candidate.
Now my question is what exactly was the purpose and the outcome of this "stopping Atiku Project"? Because Atiku is still very free and enjoying life with his family and friends, while many lost their love ones over nothing during this period.
Infact, in few weeks it will be revealed that Atiku will be part of this new administration.
Do you guys notice anything strange?
This is the same Atiku that was totally condemned just 3 months ago. Not to take anything away from him, but is there anything wrong with this picture?

It is a shame that we find it very difficult to learn and figure out all these political games. Instead of us to use our common sense, we are so quick to follow and dance behind what ever is new in town. And this is why these folks continue to ride us like a dead horse, we do not think clearly enough.

Guys, Politics is nothing but a game that could only be understood by the bright ones.
Stop this craziness and don't let them continue to brainwash you over and over and over.

The truth is, these people are all connected, internally and externally.
Trying to prosecute IBB at this point will be another total waste. It will not happen, not in Nigeria and not in this world. And if it happens, nothing will be accomplished at the end of the day.

Please, let's save time, money and focus more on stabilizing our economy.
They are all connected, folks
Network guys, do you understand what happens when there is a cut or broken wire in a BUS TOPOLOGY? This is why a man like IBB will never never be touched.

No disrespect, but Gani and others can only make noise and will forever make noise. Their voice will be heard, but absolutely nothing will come out of it. It will just be what it is "Noise".

Corruption is very popular around the world and it is our responsibility as a nation to establish a better strategy to reduce it (because, corruption will never never go away, even if we try). If you don't believe me, go ahead and visit passport office in Nigeria, School board in Nigeria, Port authority in Nigeria, airport in Nigeria, universities in Nigeria, banks in Nigeria, Police checking point in Nigeria etc
And I guarantee you that it wouldn't take too long for you to notice and understand my point.
Even the fire fighter will first get paid before helping you with your burning house or property.
Corruption is a way of life.

Our problem is much bigger than IBB; our problem is you, and you and you and you and you and you and myself (we all represent Nigerian problem). And our problem will remain unsolved till we all settle down and accept this responsibility.

New Administration:
This administration should never allow stupidity to distract them from focusing on important things. They should stay focused and never engage or follow the wrong foot step. There are many other important elements that need more attention than fighting a rat race war.

Education
Health care
Disease
Security
Poor standard of living
Infrastructure
NEPA
Water corporation and so on.

You can go ahead and bash me as usual, but only time will tell.

It's just MAMAJAMA; no sweat and no pressure.

Dude, could you take your time for a change to read and understand my post?
There is no one here defending IBB; and FYI I have absolutely nothing to gain or lose if this man is prosecuted.

There is a big difference between defending IBB and speculating that it will be a mere waste of time and money we really do not have if the man is prosecuted.
My post regarding this topic is nothing, but just a mere speculation or prediction.

When are you guys finally going to grow up and for once stop following?
It is sad and a shame that we can not hold a decent discussion without getting out of line.
It is totally unnecessary, folks!

who is this guy?

Trust me, I'm too sensible to be beating a busted drum.

I've said this many time and I will say it again. If Ehindero is not guilty, this man deserves to get an apology from everyone, especially from the Nigerian media.

Infact, I wish the man and his family well.

In my book, you are not guilty and not a criminal till you're proven guilty.

Posted by Angel101:

what is so exceptional about IBB that he can nevr be prosecuted? and u have a thread on this site asking for the immediate past govs to be prosecuted. are u not the same one who has been calling for perfection in the way the govt and the country? letting IBB off the hook is not perfection in my book! no one man can be bigger than the country ok. he obviously still has his people in power and that's y he's still roaming free. maybe nothing can be done about him now, but surely he will pay one way or another

@angel101
You know what? Please go ahead and prosecute this man; it won't take long to realize why i think it will be a totally waste of time and money. Moreover the repercussion will be severely unbearable.

Today, president Bush continues to pay heavily for his stupidity, I'm sure his experience will not be the last.

Go ahead and we shall see.

Posted on another thread 6/14/07

The sad part of the whole situation, Ehindero stepped on many toes during his time as the IG, hence folks are very hesitant to step up to help him during this horrible time. Furthermore, Ehindero doesn't exist any more in OBJ's dictionary. Therefore this man is in the bush in the dark all alone.

It is real!

You're on your own, ex-IG tells Ehindero

Evidently piqued and submerged in shame over the recent N21 million scam at the Louis Edet House Force Headquarters of the Nigeria police, former Inspectors General of police may have resolved to distance themselves from the plight of immediate past police chief, Sunday Ehindero, who is currently at the center of a financial mess for which no fewer than three of his close aides including a commissioner of police, are being interrogated.

Former Inspector General of police during the General Ibrahim Babangida regime, Alhaji Aliyu Attah, gave the indication on Tuesday in Abuja, saying most of the ex-IGPs are worried and angry over the development, more so, with the recurring desecration of the hitherto exalted office in recent times.

In an exclusive interview with Sunday Sun at his Asokoro residence in Abuja, Attah, a prince of Ebiraland in Kogi state, who, alongside Alhaji Muhammadu Gambo-Jimeta, had taken erstwhile IGP, Tafa Balogun, on bail last year at an Abuja Federal High Court during his trial for misappropriation of public funds, emphatically declared that he would lift a finger to rescue Ehindero if he is found culpable at the completion of the on-going investigations and eventually charged to court.
Like in the case of Tafa Balogun who was arraigned on multiple charges bothering on corruption and money laundering by the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission [EFCC], Attah says Ehindero should also be made to face the wrath of the law if proven to have soiled his hands.

Said he: “If it is proven that he embezzled money meant for junior officers, they should take him to court. Didn’t they take Tafa to court. Our own was just to bail him, we didn’t say they should not sentence him. So, they should take him to court and then if some other IGPs can come and bail him, maybe Smith, but as for me, I am not a charge and bail IG”.

Attah, who blamed governments at the federal and state levels for the emerging trend of large scale corruption at the top hierarchy of the police force, said after consultations and discussions on telephone with most of his former colleagues, it is evident that most of them are angry that Ehindero has brought them another cause to bury their heads in shame.
Excerpts:

Tafa Balogun was there as IGP, he brought shame to police. Now, it is Ehindero in another controversy over missing police funds. Does this not worry you as a former IGP. Has former IGPs met to discuss the trend?
We set up this EX-IGPs forum which I initiated, and I was waiting for government to grab it and use it. Because if government can grab it and use it and they allow us to hold meetings maybe thrice or four times in a year, they organize hotels for us to stay and other minor logistics, it would have been alright. But somebody like Etim Iyang, he is in the Calabar area, and because you want to hold a meeting, he uses his pension money to come here, pay hotel and other expenses, do you thing it is possible? Now, there is a colleague of mine who is in London right now because his wife is ill and has been taken there because they can’t treat her here. So, how do you think he can come here to discuss this issue when he has another problem worrying him.

But most of us, we’ve talked on telephone and they are not happy over the development. They are all angry. Everybody is not happy that this thing has happened this way, but let us just hope that it is not what we are hearing. Let’s just hope that it is not the money meant for junior officers that somebody has taken because when I was there, contracts, I didn’t touch it. The DIG Works, then the minister, and some people from the ministry, they sat down, award contracts, then they informed me. All I did was that I would say I needed barracks in so, so states. They awarded the contracts, they published them, and people would apply. Mine was to hear that the buildings were springing up in the states. I didn’t have time for contracts.

With the recurring scams at the top echelon of the police, what measures would you want to be taken in appointing an IGP?
If you want to be screening people, it won’t even work. If you have the intention of stealing money tomorrow, how will I know that you have that mind. It is difficult. The major thing is that the government should leave the police alone. Let them do their job. They should not bring the police into politics. Government should not interfere, they should let the IG and CPs do their own job. You don’t say police, be guiding the place when somebody is thumb-printing in an election. Police job is to stop crime being committed, to arrest whoever commits crime, to protect the people. So, if you find that they bribed the police, find out who did it. If you cannot arrest him, put him to shame. If a governor bribes a CP, and if you say he is above the law to be arrested, if you announce what he did, then, the whole country will know.

In Tafa Balogun's case, he was arrested and prosecuted. Now, Ehindero is still walking free. If it is true that he took public funds, what should happen to him?
I read in the newspapers when he said they are lying against him, that his International passport is still with him, and all that, when they were giving him chieftaincy title in his home town. He said people were just talking, that it was just paper talk, that nothing has been traced to him. That is what he said. He told the whole world that it was a lie.

He says it is a lie, but even the acting IGP said investigation is still ongoing, [cuts in]
The acting IG didn’t say he [Ehindero] was caught. He only said I am not mentioning names. So, until he mentions names. But whatever it is, what I am after is that in Nigeria, people will know things, but they don’t want to come out to say this is what really happened. So, until the person who knows is able to say what he knows, then for now, we take it from what we heard that he [Ehindero] is not involved in anything.

But if proven to have been involved, (cuts in)
Then, deal with him. They should take him to court. Didn’t they take Tafa to court? Ours was just to bail him. We didn’t say they should not sentence him. So, they should take him to court. And then if some other IGPs can come and bail him, maybe Smith, okay. But as for me, I am not a charge and bail IG.

So you won't go and bail him?
No, I am not a charge and bail IG.




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It will be a waste of time chatting with you. It seems that you're just a day old on this forum, hence I won't rough you up. Please stick around and with time you will learn.

I agree, I truly feel that this is a great news for Nigeria. This is an opportunity for us to wake the Bleep up. We've been sleeping for too long and this is the time to turn thing around for better or else the African Giant Crown will be taken away forever; forever ever? yes, forever!

Sometimes it takes your neighbor to start doing big things to wake you up.

Posted by Oye7:

I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. WHAT ABOUT A MINI- REVOLUTON, RAWLINGS STYLE WERE ONLY THE VERY CORRUPT LEADERS WITH EVIDENCE OF LOOTED FUNDS ARE LIQUIDATED.
ONE OF THESE DAYS IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, WE JUST CAN KEEP GOING ON LIKE THIS. NIGERIA PROBLEMS IS WAY MORE THAN JUST IBB.

Oye7: please go in the backyard for fresh air. You seem to be lacking material (it's not by force, you truly don't have to say anything).

Do you know anything about this same RAWLINGS?

There are many other available strategies that could solve our corruption problem more effectively and efficiently.
Ghana is a size of combination of only 3 states in Nigeria. What worked for them doesn't necessarily means will work for us. Nigerians are very bright and with strong leadership sky is the limit for us.

Stop preaching senseless strategy.

MAMAJAMA, obviously the vacation you took didn't do much for you; you're still the same old corroded fruit, but it's OK, I never expected too much from you anyway.

The problem here is the fact that you continue to mix things up. Please, please and please, stop comparing ehindero to IBB. The difference is very clear.
ehindero could be relocated to kirikiri tonight and I guarantee you that a single Nigerian will not be deprived of any sleeping time; believe me, it will still rain and the moon will still shine just like any other day.

Stop tripping, don't be silly and stay focused.

cool point!

Apparently some folks just don't get it, one has to drill it into their black hard head.

It depends on the location.

In Nigeria, he will be messed up and he will regret ever coming to Nigeria.

Anywhere else, I will step up like a man and talk shit back.

Posted by Mckren:

I think Nigeria will be better of without him.

Dude, what are you talking about? Nigeria has been without IBB for over 10 years. And it is clear that your folks still can't get it together.

I know that you guys will kill me for this, but i will still go ahead and put it out there:

I still see Nigeria at her best with IBB as the president for the second time.
You guys can not understand how bad this man wanted to come back to make thing right and redeem himself.
He loves Nigeria and will do anything to ascend this nation back to the top.

This is a man who knows that he's far from being called Mr. perfect, but still willing to correct things.

I still feel that Nigerians should have given him a second chance. The man had too much to lose not to do the right thing for the second time.

But I'm very happy for Yar'Adua, I admire his honesty and sincerity. I think greatness for Nigeria is around the corner.
Let's work together as one and pray for all our leaders to always do what is right at all time.

May God bless Nigeria.

The truth: It will be a rat race war that will absolutely produce BIG ZERO at the end of the day.

Please, let's save time and some money; leave the man alone.

Initiator, please calm down. You totally got it wrong.

My Point:
At this point in Nigeria, it will be a total waste to make any attempt to prosecute this man.
1. The evidence is too weak
2. There are too many die hard IBB supporters, who also happen to be controlling things in Nigeria today and also will, tomorrow
3. The loser will definitely not be IBB, the loser will be the innocent citizens of Nigeria (you and I). So why waste time, money, energy and jeopardize a major set back for our nation?

You see, there is no need to get too emotional about this issue, it is what it is; it will never happen just for the sake of peace, unity and stability.

Yes, lately the man represents an incredible statesman, who understands that he's far from being perfect and totally committed to assisting in elevating our nation back to the top. And he's doing a great job, you may not see it, but that is the truth.

Trust me, IBB is not what you think and this is one of the major reasons why this man still walks around with confidence with out any pressure coming from anywhere. The ones that are close to him know the real IBB and they are ready to do anything for this man.

It is always important to think systematically about things before making a move. Bush is paying today for not taking the same advise.

Posted by Dblock:

I just hope that IBB is still alive, when I become president in 28 Years time.

I hope you'll be ready, because by the grace of GOD, I shall be one of the candidates you will have to face.

One love!

Nothing positive will come out of jailing IBB.

As a leader, there are somethings you just don't touch. You have to deeply think about each situation and compare the opportunity cost before making your move.

At this point, trying to jail IBB will be a mere wast of time, money, energy and Nigeria as a country will be set back in many ways.
Trust me, leaders are too smart to make this deadly risky move; absolutely the negative results over shadow the positive.

I guess, President Bush should have taken the same advise.

Dblock: Let's pray for direction; God has the only solution to our problems.

Enjoy the rest of the weekend and do not stress yourself over nothing; at least, Nigeria is not Iraq.

Let's hope for the best.

One Love!

People (immature folks) tend to cry like pussy cat when they don't get their ways.
What is the big deal? You want IBB in jail but few people do not think so. This is life, many will never see things the same way regardless what the topic may be

Mr. Dblock, Grow up, you need not to debase your value as a man; all you need to do is to continue to present your points like an educated adult.

One love!

@dblock:

No need to call names, stay focused and make your point. That is what adults do!

Dblock, I truly admire your drive, but could you please identify what Nigeria will benefit from putting IBB in Jail?

As a leader, there are somethings you just don't touch. You have to deeply think about each situation and compare the opportunity cost before making your move.

At this point, trying to jail IBB will be a mere wast of time, money, energy and Nigeria as a country will be set back in many ways.
The leaders are too smart to make this deadly risky move.

The negative outcome over shadows the positive; this is the fact and the reason why it makes no sense to any sensible leader to go after IBB.

Moreover the evidence are too weak and do not guarantee anything.

Mr. Dblock, don't waste your time, it will never happen. Let's talk about other important things to move our country forward.

From the WORLD BANK
LOOTED MONEY DISCOVERED IN FOREIGN BANKS
NAMES OF DEPOSITORS LONDON SWISS USA GERMANY
GEN IBRAHIM BABANGIDA 6.25bn 7.41bn 2.00bn 9.00bn
GEN ABUBAKAR 1.31bn 2.33bn 800M -
REAR ADMIRAL MIKE AKHIGBE 1.24bn 2.42bn 671M 1bn
GEN JERRY USENI 3.04bn 2.01bn 1.01bn 900M
ALH ISMAILA GWARZO 1.03bn 2.00bn .3bn 700M
ALH UMARU DIKKO 4.5bn 1.4bn 700M 345M
PAUL OGWUMA 300M 1.42bn 200M 500M
GEN SANI ABACHA 9.01bn 4.09bn 800M 3.01M
MOHAMMED ABACHA 300M 1.2bn 150M 535M
ABDULKADIR ABACHA 700M 1.21bn 900M 471M
ALHAJI WADA NAS 600M 1.32bn 300M -
TOM IKIMI 400M 1.39bn 152M 371M
DAN ETETE 1.12bn 1.03bn 400M 1.72bn
BIG B1 400bn 7.08bn 600M 2.26bn
DON ETIBET 2.5bn 1.06bn 700M 361M
MAJ AL MUSTAPHA 600M 1.001bn 210M -
ANTHONY ANI 2.9bn 1.09bn 360M 1.66bn
BASHIR DALHATU 2.3bn 1.001bn 161M 1.43bn
GEN WUSHISHI 700M 1.301bn - -
T Y DANJUMA 300M 200M 700M -
GEN ISHAYA BAMAYI 120M 800M

Give me a break!

From the WORLD BANK
LOOTED MONEY DISCOVERED IN FOREIGN BANKS
NAMES OF DEPOSITORS LONDON SWISS USA GERMANY
GEN IBRAHIM BABANGIDA 6.25bn 7.41bn 2.00bn 9.00bn
GEN ABUBAKAR 1.31bn 2.33bn 800M -
REAR ADMIRAL MIKE AKHIGBE 1.24bn 2.42bn 671M 1bn
GEN JERRY USENI 3.04bn 2.01bn 1.01bn 900M
ALH ISMAILA GWARZO 1.03bn 2.00bn .3bn 700M
ALH UMARU DIKKO 4.5bn 1.4bn 700M 345M
PAUL OGWUMA 300M 1.42bn 200M 500M
GEN SANI ABACHA 9.01bn 4.09bn 800M 3.01M
MOHAMMED ABACHA 300M 1.2bn 150M 535M
ABDULKADIR ABACHA 700M 1.21bn 900M 471M
ALHAJI WADA NAS 600M 1.32bn 300M -
TOM IKIMI 400M 1.39bn 152M 371M
DAN ETETE 1.12bn 1.03bn 400M 1.72bn
DON ETIBET 2.5bn 1.06bn 700M 361M
MAJ AL MUSTAPHA 600M 1.001bn 210M -
ANTHONY ANI 2.9bn 1.09bn 360M 1.66bn
BASHIR DALHATU 2.3bn 1.001bn 161M 1.43bn
GEN WUSHISHI 700M 1.301bn - -
T Y DANJUMA 300M 200M 700M -
GEN ISHAYA BAMAYI 120M 800M

Do you want me to add another line to this baseless stats?

There is nothing to benefit from bringing down IBB at this point. The man is still very much active today as an incredible statesman and he's determined to redeem himself by assisting and guiding leaders from making unnecessary mistakes and uniting the nation.

Saddam Husein was brought down over 6 months ago; could you please identify any positive outcome from killing this man? The country, Iraq will be forever a hell hole for the next 60 years. There will never be another leader to hold thing together the way Saddam did for many years.
Believe me, "democracy is not for everybody"
I'm not try to condone Saddam's atrocities, but no one is perfect, Saddam still happened to be the best thing that ever happened in Iraq; and it will take many years to fully realize this fact.