jagunlabi: Back to catholism with every christians sojourning outside it then.

I never said Catholicism was the correct way, I don't believe it is, because some parts of it are not based on the Bible. No need to regress back there, that is how things were started in the first place.

thehomer:

I understand it well enough to have this discussion. You claimed to have read up on it from the link I presented to you but you showed that you didn't understand it. I need to know what it is that you think you understood to see if I can help you understand it better.



I accept the theory of evolution because of the evidence in support of it.

I understand your first post, but not your second. What does this have to do with how evolution explains the beginning of the world? Perhaps I missed something?

Logic Mind:

Wow. Am I that transparent? I have to be very careful here or next you'll be telling me my credit card number and date of birth of my next child.

LOL. I am a Christian but the person that said this to you is ridiculous. That was probably the most obnoxious thing I have ever heard before.

Ptolomeus: Fasting should be done in a secluded place in the countryside or desert (not a house) with a clean body, without any tool (telephone, car, etc)
and unclothed, for the duration of fasting.
Neither should any energy used for lighting, heating water, etc..

Where do you see Scripture for this? I'm not disagreeing necessarily but I've never heard some of these things before.

What if you don't live by a countryside or desert? What if you had a job, are you supposed to take off?

Why do you need a clean body? How do you keep your body clean if you can't wear clothes and your in a desert?

Why can't you use electricity?

What do these things have to do with not eating, which is what fasting is?

jagunlabi: Are you sure that jenwitemi is fase here? I don't think he is for if it were women who wrote all those texts in the bible, the bible god would've been a SHE and she would've had a son and a DAUGHTER.

Instead of just telling me what you think, why don't you tell me something with facts or maybe even something logical? Was this statement supposed to convince of something? Show me some proof.

snthesis:
i would try and do that. they 'atheist" know the truth anyways instead they choose to be blind

Stop. This kind of response is what makes Christians look dumb. All you did is insult. There were no logical facts, no nothing. How does a post like this benefit the conversation in any way?

all4naija: Having a perception doesn't mean it is the truth. Your explanation for the beginning of the world is different from the origin of the beginning. Stop pointing to misleading terms to defend your beliefs.Now, what's your explanation for the origin of the beginning?

I am using normal language to debate. Since you want the answer, why don't you explain to me what the origin of the beginning is and how it is different than the beginning of the world is?

all4naija: You tend to complicate issue rather complicate yourself. I can't see your argument here. I made my point clear I can't not explain what the origin of the beginning is. It is frustrating to see that you are the one comfortable with fairy tales than proves of reality. I believe in reality not some abstract beings and places of nirvana which don't exist.

1) Who said I believe in Nirvana? I don't, so don't put words in my mouth.

2) The difference is that my logic doesn't depend solely on science. I have an explanation for the beginning of the world, and you do not. So until you provide some sort of explanation, I don't see much of an argument either. In order to debate that evolution is the truth, you have to have some kind of truth to stand on. You don't.

logicboy:

What about purgatory? Limbo?

Well not sure about limbo but I think thats where your stuck there forever right? I'm not sure.

As far as purgatory, you rejected heaven anyway. Once your "sins are paid" where are you going to go? Not heaven, its rejected by that person!

Either way, since we are discussing Christian views, neither of these really apply.

all4naija: Has your god be proven? He asked me a question which has no proven answer. It is like asking you who created god? Stop preaching about fairy tale. It might be of comfort to you,though, not me. My hope is in existence, life as it is meant to be,a reality.

It seems like you have now switched topics. Do you have nothing left to say about before, and you are admitting your wrong?

Unless your response was your question "it is like asking you who created god?" In which case I would say that God cannot be defined by science since he created it. You on the other hand, are left to explain your beliefs with science, since that is what you depend on for all your information. Since that which you depend on is unable to explain what you believe, your still stuck in the same spot on this one.

logicboy:


If, heaven is a gift, why does hell have to be the consequence of rejecting a gift? A gift should be simply accepted or rejected without consequence

Because to not accept the gift is to accept Hell. You can only live in one or the other.

logicboy:

The good samaritan that Jesus praised is not going to heaven?

Chritianity has just been destroyed!!!!!

Praising someone on a good work they do does not mean they are going to heaven. You act like people deserve heaven, it is a gift from God, not something we should just expect.

Besides, the point of the parable is that we should treat our neighbors well. He uses the good samaritin because they and the jews hated each other since old testament times. The point was to show that we should treat even those that we hate with respect and care for them if they need it. It really had nothing to do with heaven or hell.

logicboy:

What? Science can not explain these things? How do you expect me not to call you ignorant?

Science has drugs to make you unconscious, there are drugs to make you happy (anti-depressants), drugs to energize you, drugs to stimulate you brain etc yet you have the nerve to say that science can not explain the workings of the brain or our emotions? Science can not explain 100% of the brain but so far it has gone to explain and understand most of it's functions.

If you can map out the framework or blueprint of a building, what stops from understanding how it's built? you might not be able to build but you have a basic idea of it's structures and and different parts. Why are you just ignorant?

Lol I'll concede that point about emotions to you. I would say we have them pretty well figured out. That whole last post might have just been one of my worst ever. My mistake. That's how we learn though eh?

musKeeto: Please let's not argue over semantics. Real or not, the Good Samaritan was a representation of one who wasn't a partaker fo the law was commended by Jesus based on his actions. IF doing good is not a priority, but making heaven is, wouldnt Jesus have said so? Isn't it written in your Bible that true religion is taking care of orphans and widows?

The idea that Nigerian Christians will be in heaven scares me.. haters of everyone who does not believe in what they believe, very selfish (listen to their prayers and testimonies), noisemakers...
Then they benefit from good and say the maker is going to hell.... lmao..

Why didnt God raise up people to make iphines, gadgets, medicjne, technology so we'd have a choice?

What is a Nigerian Christian? I'm from America. Is Nigerian a denomination?

And I'll say that the good Samaritan is not going to heaven. The only way you get to heaven is by repenting of sins and relationship with God, not through good works. However, since he is a figment of our imagination, we have no idea whether or not he did believe in God, or just did a good act.

Good acts =/= salvation or we would be able to save ourselves.

logicboy:

You were the one that ignorantly claimed that science could not explain these things;

"Can science explain how humans have thoughts, emotions, and conscienceness? No it can't yet we know these thing to exist"

Scientist have mapped out parts of the brain that carry out some thought processes. Because you are ignorant, you say science cant explain it and God exists.

Science can not explain everything but it has done a great job explaining most part of our lives compared to christianity or religion.

And my claim still stands. I can map out how a building should look, doesn't mean I know how it's built. You continue to call me names that do not fit, because you don't prove anything.

I'm glad science has given us a lot of good things. It doesn't mean its infallible. And your arguments are. Don't tell me that Christianity doesn't explain how life began if the best alternative you have is "well science might found out how life exists one day..I just don't agree with you"

There is no right answer to your question. It is completely a wisdom issue. Someone with no fat on their body might not want to fast longer than a week because they have nothing but muscle to draw for energy. Yet will this bring them closer to God because of their sacrifice? It is just a wisdom issue. If your heart motivation is to draw near to God, I think any amount of time, even a day, is beneficial and will help you grow.

As for the brushing your teeth thing, that is a wisdom issue too. I personally would, because even if some water does, its not like your trying to drink, it just happened. If it would wear too much on your conscience, then just brush your teeth with your head tilted down and don't gurgle.

Hope this helps!

musKeeto:
But you didn't answer my question. We all know the lessons to be taken from the parable. I simply ask: did the GOOD Samaritan make heaven?

The good Samaritan did not exist. He was a figment of imagination, from a parable that Christ told. He cannot go to heaven because he wasn't real.

all4naija: That I cannot tell you. Science is still searching,maybe, with time it would come to be proven. I like your assertion with "all-powerful god" yet its creation is highly questionable and imperfect.That's like somebody who's hallucinating speaking.For god as speculated in the bible is just another human imagination. A fairy tale!

The perfect life is not here, friend. It is in heaven. Life here was good, until we as humans sinned and screwed it all up. Its amazing to me that you believe in something that has not been proven, yet you claim to be all about the facts. That is a contradiction. Don't tell me that my belief in wrong when you can't even make a logical statement as to why what you believe is correct.

logicboy:

Emotions- explained with chemical reactions in our bodies

Thoughts- controlled by brain

Consciousness- controlled by brain

Just because you're ignorant doesnt mean God created everything

Because that was quite the intelligent statement. You just made observations, not explanations. You didn't explain any processes, anything at all except that all those things take place in our head. I can say photosynthesis takes place in trees, but that doesn't mean I know how it works. Your argument there was ignorant.

ea7: um hello, science does not know everything.

Yet people act like science does.

all4naija: That is what you scriptures prove your god created things out of(god spoke). But I am saying infinity at its minutest point is not nothing excepting you are trying to make me believe here it is.

I never said it was nothing, but how does even the smallest particle begin to exist OUT OF NOTHING. An all-powerful God can speak things into existence, that is not difficult to understand.

logicboy:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design_and_science

Intelligent design is not science or scientific.

Just because science cannot define it doesn't mean it is not true. Can science explain how humans have thoughts, emotions, and conscienceness? No it can't yet we know these thing to exist. I encourage you to actually present YOUR OWN arguments instead of referring me to another website. I do enough reading on here, thanks.

all4naija:

I am telling you it makes more sense than your creator! You lacked comprehension. Infinity at its minutest point which in a sense exist after creator.

That most certainly doesn't make sense. Your saying something can come from nothing, which breaks one of your own scientific laws! You lack understanding of your own beliefs. And what does "in a sense exist after creator" mean? Are you admitting that God does exist? If so, then your argument is lost. If your saying he doesn't exist, then your still wrong because you aren't making statements in line with the rest of your atheistic beliefs.

logicboy:

I only mentioned how they occurred. I never said how things were at the beginning of the earth and so, where is the fallacy?

Many natural processes can be explained without God. We know what evaporation is, we know what photosynthesis is. There has not been one scientific explanation that shows that there is a God. Intelligent design is not scientific and has been debunked. So what makes more sense; atheism or religion?

Just because you say intelligent design has been proven false doesn't mean it has. I encourage you to provide some kind of basis for that, or keep it out of the debate. I have never seen it debunked. If it was, there would be no debate to be had.

And many processes happen without direct influence from God, but the beginning of those processes were made by him. Who created the sun for photosynthesis, in exactly the right spot needed?

Your fallacy was thinking you had blown up an argument when you did not.

all4naija: What do you think of gravity and fundamentals? Indeed, there is nothing peculiar to imaginary being creating all these because it doesn't add(which would require more inquisition). It makes more sense to think universe came out of minutest point of infinity and gradually evolved into what we have now and it is still evolving.

Your telling me what you just said makes sense? Where did that minutest point of infinity come from? How was that formed out of nothing. It couldn't have just appeared. To me that doesn't add up. If God does exist, which I know you don't believe..but if he did, at least that is a logical reason for the earth being formed. Yours doesn't make any sense at all no matter how you look at it. Now, about that irreducible complexity?

rastamouse:

So you as a Christian have a differing opinion from other Christians?

Yes I do, that is why I want to be able to discuss some of the differences of denominations here, so that we can come together on things.

logicboy:


If God does not need your good works, why does he need your faith? As an adult do you want a a follow follow (ass-kisser or a faithful person) or a person that would do the job for you.


You fail.

He doesn't need our faith. He extends the opportunity to us to accept that grace that he freely gives. It doesn't benefit him in any way, it is merely for our sake.

Don't tell me I fail when you haven't proven a point. For that reason, You fail.

Jenwitemi: Perhaps, that's because MEN wrote the texts in the book?

False.

rastamouse:

Are you a member of the Catholic church?

No I'm not. They deviated from the original church that the apostles set up. They were the first denomination IMO.

dare2think: Ok Big4050,


Is everyone except for Christians going to hell?




Even those in which Christianity is not predominant in their respective vicinity?

Um, yes. Do you know anything about Christianity? Only those who love God and repent of their sin go to heaven. I.E. Christians.

dare2think:

Big4050,

Do you have any explanation for the above?


Since you guys seem to know what is on God's mind, and seem to have the list of who goes to hell or not.

Thank you.

I would say he did something good, but that I have no relationship to him or know him at all. God is not indebted to anyone, and doesn't need to thank anyone. He expects our hearts. Using that example through humans to put God in a box doesn't work.

dare2think:

Individual choice!!!!

No muslim is forcing you to accept Muhammed and threatening you with hell if you don't accept their ways!


And if they are, you must see them as a joke and feel confident with the religion of your choice!

Why then are you holding that very same position and holding those with different mind-set to the ransom of 'hell'?

Actually, that is a lie. The world trade centers were bombed becuase Muslim's don't like the "American Infidels." They may not threaten us will Hell, but they sure do threaten us.

But I agree that he does need to rethink some of his points.