No, it just means to try and attract someone. It is a way to make yourself stand out, and to show why the opposite sex should be paying attention to you, not someone else. It literally means to not be too serious. You can flirt sexually, but it doesn't explicitly mean that you are. For Christians, I would hope they know the difference.

If God does not want his creation in Hell, why did he create it? How do people send themselves to Hell? We don't have the power to do that. God might not like sending us there, but because he is holy, he must send us there because of our action. We certainly deserve Hell, but we cannot put ourselves there, God has to send us there.

How is anyone going to be attracted to you if you don't flirt? You can't be a dull person who is serious all the time if you are trying to find a partner. Flirting is joking around, and its innocent. There is nothing wrong with being funny or trying to put your best foot forward.

advocate666:

You should have read the thread first.

Forgive me for not reading over 100 separate posts. I read enough, and you didn't really respond to anything that I said. So maybe you should start there.

I didn't read the entire thread, so many someone can explain this to me.

I am a Christian, and I am confused about what the point of this thread is. From a Christian standpoint, yes, anyone who does not love and serve God is against God, technically making them a satanist. But what good does knowing that do?

Are you guys going to start calling atheists satanists to make them feel bad or something? They don't believe in God or Satan, so what is the purpose?

Call them atheists, that is what they are. Or are we going to start calling Buddhists, Hindus, and anyone else who doesn't believe in God a satanist too?

Joagbaje:

What's your definition of SAVED CHRISTIANS

Someone who believes in Christ, asks Christ to forgive his sins, and actively serves God. Saved Christians fall into sin daily, but they do not make a practice of sin. I also believe that we as humans cannot fully know who is or is not saved 100%.

Joagbaje:

A christian can yield himself to the devil. Why did the bible say prophecy should be judged? Can a prophet yield to the enemy? Yes!

1 Corinthians 14:29
Two or three people should speak what God has revealed. Everyone else should decide whether what each person said is right or wrong.

We shouldnd argue by personal feeling , let's do it by scriptures.some Christians fall sick some even died untimely death. Because they yielded to influence of the enemy by not walking in love

1 Corinthians 11:29-30
For anyone who eats and drinks without discriminating and recognizing with due appreciation that [it is Christ’s] body, eats and drinks a sentence (a verdict of judgment) upon himself.
30 That [careless and unworthy participation] is the reason many of you are weak and sickly,and quite enough of you have fallen into the sleep of death .

Anaias was a christian , but he died because he yielded to satan.

Acts 5:3
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

I agree with you, except I don't agree with your interpretation. Those people that have fallen WERE not Christians. They chose their master. The wrong one. If they were filled with a demon, then they were not Spirit filled or saved.

I don't think a Christian can be influenced by both God and Satan/demons at the same time. We can only serve one master, not two. If we are Christians, God fills us, but we do still sin against him. I don't think that this sin is because of Satan possessing us though. It's just our own nature. If you aren't a Christian, I think that you can be filled with a demon, but most of the time you aren't. It's just people blaming someone or something else for their own sin issues.

Image123: It seems i see where you people are missing it. You're leaving out the fact that every man needs to repent and believe before he can be saved. You jump straight to the salvation part, neglecting the important repentance and belief.

I readily admit that you must repent and believe before you are saved. I just think God brings you to a realization of this, not yourself. You don't just suddenly make yourself believe because you own mind "figured out God". There is no way to logically deduce what God has done for us, or who he is.

I think I'm going to switch my mode of operation on the forum. Arguing is not going to work here. People have been debating this for (I'm guessing) centuries, and we aren't going to come to a conclusion on this tiny forum.

I'm going to seek to understand where you guys are coming from instead of rattling off my points, lol. I have a question that I don't know how it would be answered your Image's and italo's point of view. Perhaps they can enlighten me.

From what I have gathered, it seems as if you guys are saying that once we are saved, it is up to us to remain obedient to God in order to be saved. To me, it sounds as if we have to "keep ourselves saved", or save ourselves with our actions. Basically, the responsibility is on us. Is any of this incorrect? If so, how would you put it?

Second, since you believe your salvation is not guaranteed to anyone, what is the limit at which someone is no longer saved? What or how much wickedness must someone do in order to not be saved? Is the line between saved and not saved the same for everyone?

Again, I apologize for being harsh and abrasive in my earlier posts. We are all Christians here, and whether or not we agree on the basis of our salvation, at least it seems like we all strive for a deeper understanding of God, and live our lives to serve Him. I'm going to do my best to keep my tone civil out of respect just for people brave enough to post on here. Basically, I'm going to actually listen to what you guys are saying before I just give off points that I have been waiting to throw out. So take the floor, answer my questions or say any other points you guys have, let's keep the thread organized and respectful.

Image123: Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze 33:12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
Eze 33:13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
Eze 33:14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
Let these sayings sink deeply into your ears, salvation can be lost.

Good verse, I like it. It doesn't further your argument in any way, unless you would like to actually explain what your trying to say by the verse?

That'd be pretty nice, I think. Thanks.

frosbel:


Calvinists are 'truth twisters', they will soon twist these precious bible verses to their further confusion.

Name calling now? Provide an actual argument please instead of trolling.

Zikkyy:

. . .and what is the basis for selecting the lucky few that 'will have faith or go to heaven'? is the selection arbitrary? am sure you don't have a clue. The reason why your interpretation of the bible verse will not stand. It does not not support (cannot be used to interpret) any of the behaviors, actions or comments we find/read in the bible

Sorry, I'm not God, so I can't answer who goes and who doesn't, except that those who are obedient will go to heaven. The selection is up to God, its whoever he chooses, hence chosen people. I have no way of knowing who he will choose.

And your reasoning doesn't work throughout the context of Christianity. Your saying that because I don't know who God saves or why, that what I think cannot be true. If the same reasoning was applied to how God "came to exist", then just because we don't know how God exists...would mean that he doesn't really exist. Since this is not what we as Christians believe, your reasoning is flawed.

Unitedsatanist: The short answer to this question is yes... they can.

Never deny the power of Satan.

Before you were a Christian... you weren't on his list.

That it part of what we are arguing. That God does have people on his list, even before the are Christians.

I gotta get going too

logicboy:


The bold part is a lie. There are transitional fossils. A transitional fossil is any fossilized remains of a life form that exhibits traits common to both an ancestral group and its derived descendant group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M96bkdohMZE

Your post is wrong. Everything on that wikipedia site showed pretty much just dinosaurs, which are now extinct. It didn't show any transitional fossils of things alive today.

logicboy:

The yahoo link was a news clip. It has nothing to do with establishing facts- stop grasping at straws


The bible answers nothing. If you are stupid enough to believe that two people were created and they populated the earth while incest is ungodly, then you are brain dead. You need to reboot your brain.

The bible is a guess or just a random story on how humanity should be and God's will. You can not prove that God exists.

If it has nothing to do with facts, then it has no place on this thread. Leave your stupid blogs in your bookmarks.

If the Bible is just a guess, so is evolution, and neither can disprove each other. So I guess we are stuck. At least the Bible gives answer to everything important, unlike evolution, which people claim holds all the answer even tho it doesn't answer very much at all. You can't prove God doesn't exist.

logicboy:

Evolution is half baked?? It is one of the strongest scientific theories!

Tell me what flaws have you seen in evolution as a theory?

The fact that you say animals and people have evolved, when there is no evidence of that or of fossils of animals in the in between stages. The fact that evolution tries to debunk God when it can't, and doesn't explain how the world started, which is crucial when you try to debunk religion.

I couldn't help myself. I looked. There actually isn't anything posted on that link...maybe you forgot a letter?

thehomer:

Take a look at the theory of evolution [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_evolution=here[/url].

No explain it yourself. I'm here to debate you not look at some website. Think for yourself and explain it to me. I'm not debating whoever wrote the website you posted.

Goshen360: ^^^
Okay. Go and make research out the name of Pharaoh on the bible then. The reason his name was not mentioned is because his title as Pharaoh is greater/more popular than his personal. Just like all this traditional kings of today. Many people hardly know the name of Oba of a local town. So PA1982 had given you an assignemt. Go search it out.lol

Why is it necessary to know his name?

thehomer:

You need to remain focused on the issue at hand. The issue is that humans evolved. If you disagree with this, please tell me why since you say you've read up on the theory of evolution.

Why do you think humans have evolved? Where is the evidence?

all4naija: Hehehe… So, why do Theists dispute the idea of the universe existing by itself? Laughing out loud at your logic! Another thing, God seems to be imperfect - he couldn't even create a perfect earth yet claim to be almighty by its believers.

What theists dispute the universe existing by itself? Let's talk about it from a Christian perspective, since that is what I was talking about in my post. What Christians dispute that God created the universe? God didn't create a perfect earth, your right. He created a good earth. Then man ruined it. The perfect place is heaven.

logicboy:


Evolution confirms that man was not created. That is one answer you keep ignoring.


However, the bible is not an answer to any question to our origins. More and more people are accepting that the Adam and Eve story is a myth;


http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/13381016/pell-says-adam-and-eve-didnt-exist


Science might find out the whole story of the beginning of the universe, or it may not. However, the bible/christianity has never and will never find out the whole story.

Your getting your facts off of yahoo? Seriously? More people might think its a myth, but that doesn't mean they are right.

The Bible does answer our questions, and already does have the full story. It is evolution that is trying to catch up. But you will never find your answers. You cannot say that the universe was just formed from nothing, because that refutes all your scientific principles. Yet we had to have nothing at some point, because the earth had to start somehow,so your stuck in your evolutionary box. You cannot advance anywhere in evolution.

Image123:
It refutes your point that salvation cannot be lost simply BECAUSE it was not earned.

By making a point about how angels were kicked out of heaven? Angels can't be saved dude, it doesn't refute anything. It doesn't apply to salvation. I'll agree that maybe saying "you can't lose something you didn't earn" is a very broad statement..and if that is the way it was taken in its broadest sense...is wrong. That can be refuted. You can't lose salvation. You either have it or you don't. If you turn from your faith, you never had it in the first place. Note my long post above. It means you never had your eyes opened or heart changed by God.

Image123: ^
A person can be predestined to conform to Christ without going to Heaven, you can actually partake of the heavenly gift and of the powers of the age to come without going to Heaven. It actually happens here on earth, God's will can be done on earth. God predestines the set of people that choose to believe and repent. There is no forgiveness of sins without repentance. Predestination is like a company policy. Those who we employ are going to be trained for Xweeks, travel to Germany for Zweeks and be made grade Y management staff. That's what's going to happen to the recruits. But to be recruited is another matter. We don't say "the company's selected who they want to select, they even have laid out plans and salaries for their people".

To be conformed to Christ means to also move closer to his character, his holiness, and to be under submission to God. You can't partake of anything heavenly unless you are conformed to Christ with my explanation above.

An actually, under God's predestination, both of your explanations happen. He lays out when we are saved, what we will do with our lives, everything. Think about Jonah. Jonah was going to Ninevah whether he wanted to or not. When he tried to run away, he was out of God's will. God's plan was for him to go, so he had the whale swallow Jonah to convince him to go. God's plan was to have Ninevah saved, and it was going to happen whether or not Jonah wanted to go.

Image123: "And being made perfect, he became the author of ETERNAL salvation unto all them that obey him;" (Hebrews 5:9).
Eternal salvation is CONDITIONED on obedience.
Let these sayings sink deep into your ears. Salvation can be lost.

I agree with this verse and your explanation of it. It doesn't refute that you can't lose your salvation, or my explanation of why.

Image123:
We showed that something can be lost that you didn't do anything to get, you guys said that's physical. So, here is spiritual. geddit?

Ok, fair enough. People and angels can lose something that they didn't earn. Still don't understand how that refutes my point about salvation.

italo:

Amen! I believe the passage. I just don't accept your personal fallible interpretation of it.

The reason that nothing could separate them from God's love is that they lived in the spirit. And why does the spirit give life? You will find your answer in verse 10 of the same chapter.

Romans 8:10: But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life[d] because of righteousness.

Because of RIGHTEOUSNESS! That's why we have the spirit, that's why nothing can separate us from God's love.

Verse 13 says: For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

What if you don't make use of the spirit to put to death the misdeeds of the body? What happens?

You will die! (God's love will be separated from you)

It sounds like your saying here that we have the holy spirit because of our righteousness, which I disagree with. Maybe you just didn't expound enough..but the order that I see from the Bible is that God gives us the Holy Spirit, and then we begin to live a righteous life. If you live according the flesh, you will die an eternal death, but only because you never had faith in the first place. If you don't use the Holy Spirit, then you never had the Holy Spirit in you.

Image123:
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." (Jude 1:6).
Is this also the spiritual realm?

It is the spiritual realm. What does this have to do with salvation or this conversation?

Image123:
Can you show us this clarity from scriptures, or it's only revealed to the esoteric few?

Clarity comes from understanding the scriptures, not just from the verses themselves. We could give you every verse in the Bible with the word predestined in it, but you would still reject it because you don't want to look at it from a different point of view.

Image123:
Bigd's write up was poor and filled with error. God wants ALL to be saved, there are actually Bible verses that say that. How can he say that man cannot decide to have faith? Why all the admonition by Jesus to His disciples to have faith and not doubt? Nobody is predestinated to go to Heaven or to salvation. We are predestinated to be conformed into the image of Christ. Stop adding to the Word.

You contradict yourself in your own post. You say we are predestined to be conformed to Christ...yet how do we do that if we are not going to heaven? Unbelievers certainly are not being confromed to Christ, only Christians. Since we do not predestine ourselves, because we are not perfect, it is God who predestines us. Conclusion: God chooses those who will be conformed to Christ, which means he will choose who will or will not have faith or go to heaven.

How would you make yourself "choose heaven"? Do you think that you suddenly came to a great realization of God's mercy on your own? Like I said, you are deaf and dumb and blind to God when you are not saved. How do you make yourself the opposite of those things? You don't. God must change you. When God gives us faith and opens our eyes, it doesn't mean that we don't still sin or struggle: our sin and flesh is still in us here on earth. What it means is that in the end when we die, we will be saved. This is why we are called God's elect. He ELECTED us, we don't elect ourselves.

Image123: "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;" (1 Timothy 4:1).
Let these sayings sink into your ears, salvation can be lost.

If someone ever turns from God, like 5solas (I think it was him, it was a great point) said, God NEVER KNEW THEM. They can "leave faith", but they never really had it to begin with. You can only serve one master. You don't suddenly just switch from serving God to serving flesh. The whole time, the person who departs had some part of their lives that they are unwilling to give up to God, and hold onto that sin. They depart when they longer want to hold up the facade of living righteously. I think about it like this: they were a part of the a church, but then they left the church for a terrible reason...lets say they got corrected on something. If they use some dumb excuse like that to leave, they were never really a part of that church. In bodily presence they were, but not in spirit. Same thing with faith and God.