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tpia:
biina, check your last post and look at the figures very carefully.

Do they corroborate the quoted and the original post in any way?

From 2000 US census figures, approx 25% of African-Americans are of Nigerian descent. Thus we can use the statistics of african-americans as a good indicator for the underlying nigerian statistics.

From American Community Survey Summary Tables, 2002:
Adult Black Females  vs Total Population
Never married -  40.8%  24.5%
Now married-     36.1%  54.5%
i.e. The percentage of black women never married is above (about 1.6 times) the national average, while the number currently married is below (about 2/3) the national average.

Supports the OP that less ladies are getting married

US:African and Caucasian
Although mixed-race partnering has increased, the United States still shows disparities between African American male and African American female endogamy statistics. The 1990 census reports that 17.6% of African American marriages occur with Caucasian Americans. African American men are 2.5 times more likely to be married to Caucasian American women than African American women to Caucasian American men. In the 2006 census, 286,000 African American male to Caucasian American female and 117,000 Caucasian American male to African American female marriages were recorded. In 2007, 4.6% of married African Americans were married to a Caucasian American partner, and 0.4% of married Caucasian Americans were married to an African American.

US: African and Asian
With African Americans and Asian Americans, the ratios are even further imbalanced, with 59.8% more Asian female/African male marriages than Asian male/African female marriages. However, C.N. Le estimated that Asian Americans of the 1.5 generation and of the five largest Asian American ethnic groups had African American male/Asian American female marriages 27.2% more than Asian American male/African American female relationships. Even though the disparity between African American and Asian American interracial marriages by gender is high according to the 2000 US Census,  the total numbers of Asian American/African American interracial marriages are low, numbering only 0.22% percent for Asian American male marriages and 1.30% percent of Asian female marriages, partially contributed by the recent flux of Asian immigrants.

US: Cohabitating
In the United States, rates of interracial cohabitation are significantly higher than those of marriage. Although only 7 percent of married African American men have Caucasian American wives, 13 percent of cohabitating African American men have Caucasian American partners.

supports my points (2) and (3)  on tendencies for inter marriage i.e. black men are shown to intermarry more than black women are. The fact that marriage is usually mutual means that the ratios show that Nigerian men are more willing to marry a foreigner and foreigners are also willing to accepts them. Similar argument follows for ladies. If you are concern is the 'aggressive pursuit' , you can check out studies in courtship and relationships in different societies.

Point (4) is well supported by opinion polls you will find on several diaspora forums. One can easily be conducted on same forum if interested.

Please note, I am note trying to convince you of my position, just trying to clarify myself.
If you have sources to back up your position, please make available. Otherwise its pointless to continue.

[quote author=*Hauwa* link=topic=236963.msg3518561#msg3518561 date=1235657550]i don't think this topic is for real 

everyone i know is getting married. true,  an average nig man is too promiscuous  sha[/quote]

tpia:
@ bolded- I wonder oh. I dont know what some people are talking about here. Not marrying a Nigerian man isnt a calamity abeg.

I dont know any solution to this promiscuity problem with naija men, though binna is saying marrying a Caucasian woman cures them. Not from what I've seen though. Maybe in his area.

someone who has a cheating mind will cheat, regardless what skin color his wife has, imo.

The poster asserted that girls born in UK and US find it difficult to get married.  If you have facts to the contrary, please post (even if its for another region). There is no mutual benefit to deriding other peoples opinions, particularly if you don't present an opposing argument.

From American Community Survey Summary Tables, 2002:
Adult Black Females  vs Total Population
Never married -  40.8%  24.5%
Now married-     36.1%  54.5%
i.e. The percentage of black women never married is above (about 1.6 times) the national average, while the number currently married is below (about 2/3) the national average.

On black men marrying other races, from wiki:
US:African and Caucasian
Although mixed-race partnering has increased, the United States still shows disparities between African American male and African American female endogamy statistics. The 1990 census reports that 17.6% of African American marriages occur with Caucasian Americans. African American men are 2.5 times more likely to be married to Caucasian American women than African American women to Caucasian American men. In the 2006 census, 286,000 African American male to Caucasian American female and 117,000 Caucasian American male to African American female marriages were recorded. In 2007, 4.6% of married African Americans were married to a Caucasian American partner, and 0.4% of married Caucasian Americans were married to an African American.

US: African and Asian
With African Americans and Asian Americans, the ratios are even further imbalanced, with 59.8% more Asian female/African male marriages than Asian male/African female marriages. However, C.N. Le estimated that Asian Americans of the 1.5 generation and of the five largest Asian American ethnic groups had African American male/Asian American female marriages 27.2% more than Asian American male/African American female relationships. Even though the disparity between African American and Asian American interracial marriages by gender is high according to the 2000 US Census,  the total numbers of Asian American/African American interracial marriages are low, numbering only 0.22% percent for Asian American male marriages and 1.30% percent of Asian female marriages, partially contributed by the recent flux of Asian immigrants.

US: Cohabitating
In the United States, rates of interracial cohabitation are significantly higher than those of marriage. Although only 7 percent of married African American men have Caucasian American wives, 13 percent of cohabitating African American men have Caucasian American partners.

UK:
According to the UK 2001 census, black British males were around 50% more likely than black females to marry outside their race. British Chinese women (30%) were twice as likely as their male counterparts (15%) to marry someone from a different ethnic group. Among British Asians, referring mainly to South Asians, males were twice as likely to have an inter-ethnic marriage than their female counterparts.[110] As of 2005, it is estimated that nearly half of British-born African-Caribbean males, a third of British-born African-Caribbean females, and a fifth of Indian and African males, have white partners.

@tpia
For factual data, please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage and references therein

Things might be different in New zealand, in which case it would be nice if you gave a more detailed response.

There is usually a middle ground where both of you could reach a compromise.
If you sharpen your skills in certain departments, you might actually be able to win him over to appreciating your slim figure and show him what he would be missing with a BBW.
To take away what likely attracted him to you in the first place, and offer nothing in exchange, except that you like things better this way, is a bit selfish and unfair to the guy.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=238033.msg3515190#msg3515190 date=1235586183]They were spectacular. . . . . .RAUL was in his prime then so is Redondo and other top draw players.With this evidence, do you still think that Madrid side were mediocre??
Look at the calibre of teams they trounced on their way to the UCL. . . . .You have contradicted yourself mate.
They pulverised Valencia. . . . .I doubt any UCL team in this generation can beat that Valencia side.
The way they disgraced Barcelona @ Nou Camp still makes me quiver.[/quote]Obviously you weren't actively watching when the game was played. Prior to the knockout stages, madrid struggled in the group stages, and were 6th in la liga. In the knockpout round, they were underdogs going into every match. They were far from spectacular and shocked bookmakers with their victory. I haven't contradicted myself, but only shown that  for guys like you hind sight is 20/20.

Do you know your football?? Don't be mad for asking you this question??
In 2007, Ronaldo and Rooney were still work-in-progress. U can tell the difference last night with the way he took the game by the scruff of the neck and he was unlucky not to have scored a brace at least. The look on Julio Cesar's face after the game should tell you he was telling Zanetti he didn't see Ronaldo's freekick.
Comparing the Man Utd side of 2007 to what we have now in terms of maturity and experience is folly.

That was in response to your claim on djemba djemba and kleberson. I didnt say the 2007 manU team was better, but to say they are incomparable is wrong.

Anutha heap of applesauce. . . .

What are you talking about?? Man Utd played better than Arsenal that won 1-0 at the Emirates last night.
Have you seen the game stats. Shots on goal, possession, etc??
That United did not score was not because they were defensive. . . . .If Ronaldo had scored a hatrick last night, Inter fans wouldn't have complained.

Yet again you missed the point. The comment was in response to your suggestion of a 6-5 victory, as it is well known that when playing at home, 1-0 is better than 2-1 due to the away goal. As long as man u does not concede, they are in a good position to qualify. If they do concede, then they have to outscore inter.

U didn't watch the game yesterday. . . .Please admit.
Carrick made not less than 20 good tackles yesterday and he was dispossessing Inter players with ease through perfect timing n positioning.
Did he get any yellow card yesterday while doing his duties?? That is Michael Carrick for you. Quiet but effective.
I will get his stats in the midfield later when i am free.

I know footie like the back of ma hand. U are a student because you are still yet to learn the ropes.

On the basis of what i saw last night, Inter might as well stay in Milan next fornight.
They will be torn apart with an offensive United side at OT. Vidic and Rio would give players like Carrick the freedom to bomb forward.
Did u even know Evans and O'Shea played with injections last night. Their feet were still swollen when they laced their boots last night.
Ferguson said he left Rooney out cos defensively, Rooney is too short to help his defence. All these variances won't be present next fortnight.

If you don't know the meaning of the phrase 'student of the game', then its pointless discussing with you. If (as someone 'who know footall like the back of his hand')you feel carrick is a better ball winner than cambiasso or zanetti, all I can do is wish you all the best.

All will be settled in a fortnight, and I wonder what your excuse would be if inter eliminates man u. Home ground advantage has been shown to have less influence as the tournament progresses.

KB1:
What do you mean when you say "Akata tendencies"?

Basically traits that are more commonly associated with afro-americans. Example, "at the slightest sign of marital trouble I would file for a divorce or send your a*** to jail".

IMO it a combination of several factors
1. Most naija girls I know overseas would prefer to marry a nigerian but feel the naija-raised guys are too irresponsible. Unfortunately, while most naija guys are prone to cheating on their wife, he is still committed to his wedlock. On the other hand, the western raised guy doesn't need to cheat, as he will abandon you without a second thought if he feels he has vested interest elsewhere. This is due more to a societal view, and not an individual's preference. The average guy is not monogamous in nature, and the question is just how he achieves it: series or parallel. My advice is for girls to work on how to keep the promiscuous naija man in check, which I feel is easier than tethering the non-commital guy. In the developed countries, relationships and wedlock dont attract the same weight they have in africa.

2. The competition is keener: Black men are desired by ladies of other ethnicities, who are willing to either tolerate (or feel they can curb) their unfaithfulness. These other women are more aggressive in their pursuit of black men, and while the naija girl is still playing hard to get, they swoop in and cart away the guy.

3. I dont know why, but guys from other ethnicity always seem less interested in black women. Unfortunately, black men seem to be equal opportunity employers.

4. The naija man, deep down, usually desires a naija woman. At the slightest sign of 'akata' tendencies, they will rule the girl off the marital list. Hence caucasian ladies who exhibit traits of an african woman are usually successful in marrying naija guys (and often than not get them to behave properly).

5.  Global strive has made less men available at the marriage age. Given that there seem to be more men available at marriage age, monogamy implies that some will be left uncoupled. Survival of the fittest.

While the african man is far from perfect, ladies need to be sincere in what they want and be clear on what price they are ready to pay for it.

If mothers would train their sons better, men would be less promiscuous. Unfortunately, typical of women, they sing one tune as a wife, and a different song as a mother.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=238033.msg3513183#msg3513183 date=1235559444]Do u know your football at all??
Comparing the Real Madrid side of 2000 to this Inter team shows you dunno too much about European footie(i am afraid).
I still insist a team that failed to score with their 81,000 fans would freeze at OT with Vidic and Rafael back in the team.

This is a new United side. . . . .Forget what happened in the past. A lot has changed with this team.
For instance, compare the team that got raped against AC MILAN 2 years ago to the one of last night?? Massive difference.
United have now mastered the art of the European game. Comapring United now to the times where we have Caroll, Silvestre, Djemba-Djemba and Kleberson in the first team is a tad folly.

If Inter score 5, United would score 6. It's as simple as that.
Man Utd and Ferguson know there would be no 3rd leg. We are playing at home and we would expend all the firepower in our kitty to outscore Inter.
Do u still think Carrick is inferior to Zanetti and Cambiasso?? I don't think so.[/quote]In hind sight, you probably feel the madrid team of 2000 were spectacular, but the evaluation wasn't so prior to the triumph in the final.

Basis for valid comparism:
In 2000, ManU were the defending champions, and their fans were ranting about how they were the best team in the world. They were confident they were going to defend the UCL title, a feat still undone in modern day UCL. Prior to that game, Madrid had played badly. Madrid (like inter) barely scraped through to the knockout stage (based on head to head against Dynamo kyiv). Madrid had lost to bayern twice (2-4 in madrid and 4-1 in munich) in the group stage, had a manager change in november, and were considered the weakest team in the knockout round. Prior to the return leg at OT, the manU of then looked better on paper than the man u of today, and madrid looked worse than the current inter. Still madrid defeated manU in OT, knocked out same bayern in the semi's and defeated valencia (the cinderella of the tournament) in the final.

Man U line up against madrid in 2000: Bosnich, G Neville, Irwin (Silvestre), Berg (Sheringham), Stam, Giggs, Beckham, Keane, Scholes, Cole (Solskjaer), Yorke,
Against milan in 2007 only Heinze is no longer with manu, and 8 of the same 11 played against inter yesterday (omissions being brown, scholes and heinze).
There were no djemba djemba or kleberson in both games. In fact, kleberson and djemba had only 30 and 20 appearances respectively for united in 2003-2005. They were both acquired in 2003 while the 'Red herring' Queiroz was away at madrid.

Nobody masters the game of football - it has never been done, and never will be. Making such statements just makes it more obvious that you are a fan and not a lover of the beautiful game.

It is in united's best interest that SAF not take your advice and turn it into a shootout (as this favors the visiting team) but rather work towards not conceding a goal.

If you are still comparing carrick to cambiasso or zanetti, I am at a loss. I had explained earlier that it is wrong to compare players unless you are looking at a specific category. Carrick is a better ball passer than both cambiasso and zanetti, but they are also far better ball winners than carrick.

You seem so confident of your soccer knowledge, and yet all you write are fanatic statements without analysis or content. Reading your posts give the impression that, when watching a football match, you only stare at the color of the jerseys, and are less interested in the game it self.

For your information I am not an inter fan, and I will not claim to 'know football', but I am an avid student of the game.

my people, u na wicked o!!! U na descend on am like america on saddam, i fear small o!
i don laugh so te, all my bodi dey pain me.

@poster
Go join CIA

na wa o!!! some people go down grade naija so low, and uplift the foreign land wey dem dey stay so high, like say na only dem dem don live for obodo onyecha.
I beg wind don blow, we don see fowl yansh. ignoramus, 'a se eyinbo na le ta ibon'.
Naija get im problems, but so does every other country in the world.

Shameless fellow, dey call himself expatriate. If na oil money dem wan share now, e go put down im traditional name, shouting say e be 'son of the soil'. Who dey beg you sef make you come serve for naija. arrant nonsense.

@poster
If he doesn't know that waiting for that long is not in your best interest, then I seriously doubt that he truly loves you.
What are his reasons for not getting married now?

Yoruba Proverb: 'Won gba omo adie lowo iku, o ni won ko je ki oun re je ni akitan' (While saving the chicken from an untimely death, it alleges that it is being deprived the abundance of the world)

While you might not agree with your father's methods, few can doubt his intentions.
You are 18 and so you feel that you are matured enough to roam the world (pele). Maturity has less to do with age than it would appear at first. If you exhibit the required level of responsibility, your father will most likely grant you the freedom you seek.

I find it funny that the freedom most are ready to die for in their youth, lose value as they grow older. When you are much older, you will be shocked how less people would care about what you do with yourself. When you have your own kids, you will better appreciate your dad's position.

190:
@  biina
bring it on
bring it on
i ready 4 u anywher anytym
i ready 2 face u 24/7
i no fit shout
i hope say ur face arrange o cos
my blows go certainly arrange ur face 4 u easily

I see that you are still unrepentant.

On a more serious note though, I wonder how approving you would be if the woman getting beat up was either your daughter, sister or mother. I doubt you would be championing the same cause in that situation.
I haven't met a sane guy who would approve of anyone (including his father) beating up his mum, no matter what justification the fellow could put up.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=238033.msg3511304#msg3511304 date=1235516361]No team can beat Man Utd at Old Trafford. . . . .It's about time y'all get that into your greasy heads.
Inter Milan will not score a single goal against a team that has Vidic, Rio and Van Der Sar at OT.
The trio are not just all mouth, no substance. Vidic would put Adriano/Ibracadabra in his pocket.[/quote]It was a similar opinion a close friend of mine had in 2000, after united got a draw in the first leg against Real in Madrid. In the return leg, united had a nightmare loss of 2-3 in the theater of dreams (they were actually 0-3 down before scoring 2 late goals).
I agree that the united defense should be much better if vidic and rio play, but man u has to score and win. An early goal from inter and united is in trouble.
The knockout round is usually less about which goals you scored, but more of which goals you conceeded

Good game.
United failed to capitalize on Rivas errors in the first half. Can't imagine why Jose started Rivas ahead of Cordoba unless he was worried cordoba wouldn't be able to keep pace with rooney/berbatov. Inter came back strong in the second half.
At 0-0, inter has the slight edge going into the second leg given the away goals rule.

The real question is if spirituality exists? and yes it does.
In different aspects of life, people use the spiritual realm to realize actions in the physical. Examples include miracles, magic, and witchcraft.
You can't take the good without the bad. You either take spirituality as a whole (including the existence of God) or reject it totally. If you go to less exposed parts of Nigeria, you will see it demonstrated in everyday life.

@ sauron
The fact that barca has the best attack does not make them the best team (and I never said they were), and even being the best team doesnt mean you will win all matches. Barca lost to espanyol playing wit 10 men (after a wrongful red card) and conceded a second goal due to a goalkeeping error.

Carrick gets less carded because he is more offensive, and he is not trying as much to win the ball from midfielders. You should read the article you linked to and show me where his defensive abilities are extolled. Even in the national team capello played him along gareth barry because barry is the ball winner. Carrick was bought for over 15M when he couldn't even command a first team shirt for england i.e. over priced. Don't get me wrong, I like carrick, but please dont make the poor guy out to be the player he is not.

Its people who don't know the game that make sweeping statements like 'someone is the best midfielder in the world'. Except for probably the goalkeeper, your performance in any other position is dependent on the system you play in. Particularly in the midfield where different schemes are employed by different teams. Even then, I would still take lampard and gerrard over Carrick in a traditional CM role.

I agree that the tempo of the english game is high, and that is why italian teams typically struggle against them because of pressure on the flanks. English clubs overrun the italians on the flanks and not in the center of the park. The style of play in opposing leagues, along with the form and quality of the teams involved will determine the game. Football is a funny game, and while we can all postulate on the outcome, things don't always follow the playbook.

On queiroz, read a summary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Queiroz
His failure at Madrid was due to lack of control of the dressing room (and not a tactical failure) resulting in a collapse in the final run in of the 3 silverware they were pursuing (and unlike united, madid's mangement have never been patient with a lack of silverware). That is a side of coaching that SAF takes care of and carlos was inexperienced in. If he was a red herring, then why did SAF take him back? Why did SAF kick Keane out in preference to him? Queiroz + SAF is like Rijkaard +Henk ten Cate, its a synergy.

I will not go into a debate about the tactical superiority of capello and lippi to SAF. Check Capello's resume and see his accomplishments. Watch the current english team and see his influence. Agreed, like a typical italian coach, he does not play a fancy style, but his tactical and technical abilities are not in question. For reference, ask Cryuff and the 1993/94 barcelona team. Lippi played three consecutive UCL finals with juventus, and won the world cup.  SAF is good but not that good. Ofcourse we will see how much of a tactical genius SAF is in a few hours.

This kind of discussion has always been my problem with ManU supporters, they are usually more of fans, than lovers of the game. When they win, they are the best club in the world, but when they lose there is always an excuse.  I will be waiting for you after today's game to see if you will be humble in  victory, or be a bad loser like most other united fans.

1972
Ayinla Omowura and His Apala Group
Vol. 3 - Challenge Cup 1972 (LP; EMI HNLX 5111)(CD; Ivory Music HNLX(CD)5111)
Side B Track 6 - Orin Owe

Western states, ope ni ka da,
aye n dara bo wa, gbogbo yin e ri oye
A idake adura, (e ri oye)
A idake adura
Ni o ye ka fi mo pe aye ti gun rege
Ni o ye ka fi mo pe aye ti gun rege
Otito o ni ku, ka fi iro je oba ilu wa o

ewo ni, nile aye ko,
ewo ni, nile aye ko,
Ki aye baje balumo, ki baba ni o di owo omo lorun
O di aye atunwa (omo ohun lorun)
O di aye atunwa
Ki o ni bata ki o lo bo bata (bata gogo)
Ki o ni bata ki o lo bo bata
ko gbe bata wo mosalasi
ko gbe bata wo mosalasi
Ki o ni dadani wa jo, abi lemamu ni ko doju ko

Ohun to suwon ni a o fi oju ri
Ohun t o suwon ni a o fi oju ri
Oba to gba o ni gege ni onifere, agbala ni ko mo
Won o gbodo de ita rara (agbala ni ko mo)
Won o gbodo de ita rara
Ki iran ma di meji loja 'gbo
Ki iran ma di meji loja 'gbo
bi eni ti ko yo gege rara, boba fon fere, ofun a tobi

egbe isu ko ni iyan
Bi ekun se aisan ni odun meta, ki aja wa mu
aja a ri faragba (ki aja wa mu)
aja a ri faragba
Bi ologini farawe ode onibon,
Bi ologini farawe ode onibon
Ko gbodo pa ju ekute, rara, bi o fi oju di ekun, a pare ni

pi pare, ni o pare o
nitoripe aja to ri moto,to duro giri, o fe firae bo ogun onire o

Emi o je fi oju di aye (se o mo iru e - owo ni)
Emi o je fi oju di aye
Olosi eniyan ni o le so pe ki ni aye se fun ohun
araye e sunraki (ile aye kan)
araye e sunraki
Ki ni eda mi a se ni ile aye
Ki ni eda mi a se ni ile aye
To mi agbe ti aye ba titi, ti ko ni sa le kun to bo si

Aja to so wipe ko si ewu,
to ba lo ba ekun ni buba, a mo wipe ewu mbe
Are lo mi a sa pada (a mo pe ewu mbe)
Are lo mi a sa pada
Ewura n hu irun loju ina
Ewura n hu irun loju ina
oluwuro tobi ni ohun ni, ko le ba ogo digba

Loju akata lobe eni lewo
Loju akata lobe eni lewo
adie ko lo ma tufo re loju aye o
okun ni oba omi (loju aye o)
okun ni oba omi
Gbogbo yin mo fe ki e lo mo
Gbogbo yin mo fe ki e lo mo
'pe eran ti o gbade kiniu ninu igbo
'pe eran ti o gbade kiniu ninu igbo
a kan ojo iku ni ijo yen bi owo ogidan ba mu

won ni ki eran mu ni
opolo fo jana, o nyan kandu si ode
opin arifin (kandu si olode)
opin arifin
Ki alangba ni ohun a pa ejo
Ki alangba ni ohun a pa ejo
E ma fi iro ba ile aye je
E ma fi iro ba ile aye je
Ibi ti e ri olorun to reru to se osuka, ki ewa so

A de esin mole gogo e yo sita
efin ni wa, bi e ba de mo ile, a jade
alagidi n pe (a yo si ta)
alagidi n pe
- bi o wu yin ki e laali ko di ola
alagidi n pe
- bi o wu yin ki e laali ko di ola
orisi wa ninu pepa a o ti fesi oro wa jade

Ba se mo la se
Ba ti mo la de o
A fa ina si ni won, erin won pa mi o
e o wo omo talaka (o n pami o)
e o wo omo talaka
to kigbe wipe iya nje oun
to kigbe wipe iya nje oun
binu ti baba re si koto, e se jeje o

Won fi alaini ikan se,
won lo si oja, won yo owo etu, won ra etu, won ko ri owo san
wan fi iju n rumu (won o ri owo san)
wan fi iju n rumu
won ni elera ija pe olosa
won ni elera ija pe olosa
bi e ba ri ki ni e fe wi
bi e ba ri ki ni e fe wi
ibi ire o se fi owo ra, iru igba ni igba nso

Won fun mi lere opin ijo loju
e ni ko toni na, ti n dena demi mo ri oye
eni o to dauda (mo ri oye)
eni o to dauda
to nse ise baba kubure
to nse ise baba kubure
omo ti o tapo merin, a takiti meta

dokita ore wa, orin wa, ayinla, iroyin oto amojuba
dokita ore wa, orin wa, ayinla, iroyin oto amojuba

1972
Chief Commander Ebenezer Obey & His International Brothers Band
Odun Keresimesi (Decca WAPS 62)
Side B Track 2 - Oro obi pelu iyawo

Oro kan ni mo fe bi yin, eyin enia      )
international brothers , e ba mi da si )2ce
Ninu oro obi eni, ati aya eni,
ewo lo se pataki, to se koko

Chief commander, ese adupe
a o gbodo fi oro obi we ti aya eni )
a o gbodo fi oro aya we ti obi eni ) 2ce
ohun ti aya lese, obi o le se yen
ohun ti obi lese, aya kan o le se yen
Amo ka lo ranti pe
Aya le ya ni
Iyawo le koni
(sugbon) ipo kipo ta wa
ni ojo jije, ni ojo airije
ninu igbadun, tabi ojo isoro
obi eni ko le koni

I didnt get tribal marks as a child, why would I get a tatoo as an adult

Africans, we too like to dey photocopy 

190:
2 hell heaven with all d ladies on this thread
i wud always say it,if ur lady kips annoyin u
take it till her cup full and giv it 2 her black and blue
after all if cris brown can do it 2 rihanna den who are
we not 2 do it our 9.ja girls

To an ant on a table, the world is flat - na so ur case be.
I sabi some females (no fit call them lady) wey if dem handle you, guys go think say na trailer jam u o!
I no know wetin you chop belleful, but unless you be trained assassin, these girls go show you pepper. I no dey talk say dem go beat you your eye red, dem own na to break bone for your body.
Because you be man, you think say you fit handle all ladies. While the average female is weaker than the average man, the minority that are the exception, will kick your  black a*** from here to timbuktu. You lucky say I no sabi u proper, I for organize make u get chance talk am in person (thinking about it they make me laugh sef). Person we sabi fight sef no dey make sweeping statement like dis. I beg caution your ego, make you no let your male pride lead you into temptation.

see your fellow thinker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VeaA6rXGrs

Lanre don talk am finish
"The moral of the gist is plain and short, if him strong pass you just waka comot
As a believer,  you fit try turn the other cheek, but if the first one hot,  please do not repeat
Na everybody get craze - no be so for fight, 'cos one man must win by power or by might"

Jcob:
Ekun o.

E nle

Our attack is the best bar Barcelona and that is even open to debate.
United play teams that put 10 men behind the ball all the time. Barcelona play teams in La Liga who are out to play football.
The last time we met, they failed to score a goal in 200 mins(added time inclusive).
Their so called overwhelming attack could be a red herring.

Do not compare the Barcelona of last season to this one, as they are playing at a different level this season. The only argument is if Barcelona has peaked too early, but it is indisputable that they have the best attack in European football currently. To say united plays against teams with 10 man behind the ball is to criticize the same tactics you employed against barca in UCL last year.  The aim is to win, and every team tries their best to do so.

Carrick is a better tackler than those chumps in Inter Milan. His greatest asset is his sense of positioning and vital interceptions.
However, he wins tackles and just because a midfielder does not hustle opponents like Gattusso does not mean they are not ball winners.
Try and watch Carrick for United and see the number of successful tackles he makes.

Carrick is a (overpriced like most SAF buys) playmaker/CM and not a DM. Carrick is no where near the average ball tackler in a topflight team. He never was, and most likely never will. I have watched carrick since he was at spurs, and even then zokora was the ball winner not carrick. Scholes is a better tackler than carrick (in his prime, he was a good pick pocket) but he is past is time on the pitch. In the premiership, midfielders pass the ball a lot more than hold on to it, and that his why people like carrick can get by. Against a ball handler he would be exposed, hence why United crowded the midfield against barca last season.
Zanneti and Cambiasso are players that are renowned more for their defensive duties than their offensive capabilities. Please dont compare carrick to them in that department.

Says who?? Another media generated red herring.
This stage last season, Carlos Queiroz had lost 4 league games with all the tactical ingenuity the anti-United fans shower on him.
Fergie is the tactician. He is the brainz behind what United are today and i am counting on him to wallop Inter tomorrow.

I advise you check up on querioz's profile before making such statements.  Even SAF wanted him to succeed him at ManU, and the usually unforgiving fergie took him back after his ill fated sojourn to madrid.
He was definitely the brains behind the modern day ManU. SAF has always been a great manager, but has never been a great tactician. SAF nurtures talents and builds a cohesive team (he really makes them play like red devils), but he falls short tactically when compared to the likes of capello, mourinho, lippi, hiddink, hitzfeld etc
In most clubs in the premiership, the manager is far less of a coach than in other places like spain and italy, hence they rely more on the assistant manager/coach for on pitch issues

What you find challenging depends on the person.
For some engineering is challenging, while to others it is the easier option. I know quite a few engineering phd holders from top universities of the world who struggle with writing essays.
Medicine could also be challenging, as what it lacks in numerical concepts, it makes up for in volume and breadth.
one thing am sure is that both na wahala!

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=238033.msg3505711#msg3505711 date=1235419248]- United's attack is the best in Europe bar Barcelona.
- Carrick?? Scholes?? Are there better passers of the ball @ Inter??[/quote]I take it you are a man u fan.

1. United's attack is good, but not much better than any other top team in the premiership (check the tally), and not as good as madrid or barcelona. Barcelona is the only team with an overwhelming offense. All others are not that far apart. Some might be fancier than others, but they all will punish any defensive mistakes.

2. The fact that both Carrick and Scholes are more of passer's, and less of ball winners (or man markers), has always been the bane of united. Since Keane left, united have always struggled against midfielders that hold on to the ball. ManU need to buy a ball winner to pair with carrick.

Without querioz, united have lost the tactical game. Inter will definitely try to exploit united's weak center (no vidic and rio cant match both zlatan and adriano) and will likely succeed. United will hope to score an away goal to keep the tie alive, but inter will win the game.

This is the tie of the round imo. too close to call. Give the edge to Juve on the pitch, but Chelsea has the bench.

Inter will progress, Mourinho has that team working like a finely tuned engine.

First european test for Juande Ramos. I like Madrid, but suspect Liverpool will progress on the away goals rule.

Monkey sabi, monkey smart, na tree near tree

E kaaro o, e jire bi?
mo n ki gbogbo awa omo oduduwa, nile ati loko, loke at lodo. E ku ojumo o!

'lori ekuru owowo' directly translates to 'on the dust from a broom' which means 'from small beginnings'. The more common phrase is 'lori eruku owo'

Interesting discussion you have here. I usually refrain from religious discussions (as it often gets messy), but for this i will make an exception.

I attend CCC, and have also worshiped in various other denominations. I wasn't born in a cele church but grew up for the most part in one. Before going to Cele my family attended other churches, and as a teenager I also attended other denominations. Even as an adult, I still worship in other denominations when opportune.

On spirituality, the spiritual realm exists and you don't have to be a christian to tap into it. A lot of people in different aspects of live tap into the spiritual realm to achieve things in the physical which are not humanly possible.

Christianity is a way of life in which you are Christ like. Religion in most forms is to help you work towards being a better christian. Unfortunately, being man influenced, no religion is perfect, and so depending on your personality and/or background, a certain religion (or denominations) will be more suitable to you than others.

Over the years, I realized that the average person's identification of a cele is any white garment church. People often mistake Cherubim and Seraphim churches for CCC, and while CCC has its fair share of controversy and bad eggs, a lot of acts (or stories) attributed to Cele are often misplaced. C&S churches, like most pentecostal churches, don't have a central authority, and thus there is a lot of 'freedom' available to the pastor/shepherd/leader of the parish, resulting in not so 'christainly' practices. By church tenets, Cele do not wear shoes around the church premises and when in church garment (sutana); use only white candles; and do not shed blood of animals (or make sacrifices)

Its sad that a lot of people inside or outside of Cele (including elders in church - which is quite unfortunate) lack knowledge about the church. They hide their ignorance behind the grace of the church. When asked questions about church tenets and practices, they cannot defend their position with scriptures, but hide under the banner of  'as led by the holy spirit'. To my knowledge, all church doctrines and practices have scriptural support. This has not stopped bad eggs from carrying out unsanctioned acts. In the past, parishes were policed and you could report suspicious acts to the HQ for investigation, but with recent leadership struggles such policing has become lax and more people have gotten away with wrong doing.

Some CCC leaders have gotten the reputation of sinful practices, and while it sad but true, I prefer to err on the side of caution when it comes to the shortcomings of people in authority or anointed of God. God works in mysterious ways, and someone we might deem unfit could turn out to be God's choice. Life's journey with God take different forms: start well end poorly (e.g Saul of OT ),or start poorly end well (paul). David loved God but killed one of his close friends (Uriah was the 30th of the Davids mighty men) to cover up his own adultery. Elijah killed people in the name of God. Elisha killed children/youths. I am not trying to defend the leaders of CCC, but I am not willing to judge or analyze them either. I  believe at the appointed time, God will take needed action.

As for the church members, a lot of people in Cele joined cos of life's 'challenges'. By grace, Cele is probably the best church at dealing with spiritual adversity, particularly for people with little faith. Unfortunately, once their problems get solved, they often tend to become a problem to the church. This problem also exists in other large denominations particularly when people join because they feel it is in vogue. I have met a lot of people that attend RCCG because of Pastor Adeboye and not God - they almost worship the poor man. A lot of Cele never grow up from drinking milk to eating meat, and spend most of their lives relying on the words of a prophet or shepherd. They become gullible, and when coupled with 'prophet/shepherd' with ulterior motives, we have a recipe for bad things. The demand and attention  gotten by prophets have lead many to become false prophets.

The bible says we should test the spirit. When discussing prophets and prophecies, I always recommend that when in doubt use the Nebuchadnezzar template - tell me my dream, and then interpret it i.e. tell me what I know, before you tell me what I don't know.

The use of physical items and/or actions (e.g. candle, oil, stream bath etc), in Cele, other churches, and the bible, is to help people reinforce their faith. These items/actions are permitted not required. With enough faith, you don't need candles or whatever. In the bible, Jesus (and prophets in the OT) healed people in various ways depending mainly on your level of faith and whatever objective God wanted to achieve. Namaan bathing in the Jordan helped him reinforce his faith and also learn humility. The centurion whose son was ill, by faith only required that Jesus say it is so. A woman believed all she needed was to touch Jesus's garment, while Martha felt raising the dead was a bit far fetched, and of course there was the blind guy that Jesus took out of the city and healed in two steps. Unfortunately, the use of candles & co has been abused by most in cele, and these items tend to become the focus of people's faith.

Angels are not revered more than God by Cele, but rather are called upon as witnesses or to help in spiritual actions.

CCC members do not wear shoes for various reasons. As a sign of respect that the church presmises and church garment is holy, and also a way of fasting.

The location of churches in remote areas is usually due to one or more factors including the holy spirit led, serenity and seclusion, and, financial limitations (CCC churches have a template that restricts the use of existing structures leading to virgin land requirements).

I feel spiritually at home in CCC, and while some dont like the church, the root problem stems from people not reading their bible and living by the woords and/or actions of a pastor.

Happy New year to all

Halleluyah