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OLAADEGBU:
The opposite is true in testing for scientific facts.  In science you can easily refute a false idea that does not stand up to the laws of nature or scientific laws.  Let us see a couple of ideas where scientific laws can tell us whether they are false or true.

In Mathematics:

(x + y)²= x²+y²

This is false because the law of Mathematics has been violated.  The correct equation will be:

(x + y)²= x²+2.xy + y²

In Chemistry:

NaOH + HCl = NaCl + H₃O (This is a false equation because the law of Stoichiometry has been violated.  The correct equation will be:

NaOH + HCl = NaCl + H₂O

In Biology:

The statement "Man has evolved from a long process of evolution"

How do we know whether this statement is true or false?  We can know by testing it with the law of nature otherwise called scientific law.  There are at least three realities that we can observe, which are life, information and matter.  Louis Pasteur is the only scientist who has formulated and scientifically discovered the law of life that God originated; that life can only come from life, otherwise called the law of biogenesis (correct me if 'am wrong).   All other attempts by evolutionists, including the statement in the quote above, have all been  proved to be false.

The father of Microbiology, Louis Pasteur (1822-1895), who was an outstanding scientist and opponent of evolution formulated this law.  Each time you go to the refrigerator and take out a bottle of milk, you should be reminded of the work of the outstanding French scientist, Louis Pasteur.  He discovered Bacteriology, Biochemistry, Sterilization, Immunization etc.  He also proved the scientific law that life came from life, He said that: “Microscopic beings must come into the world from parents similar to themselves”.  This was a kick in the teeth to the evolutionists that have been peddling the fallacy of spontaneous generation and they still teach this in textbooks and schools inspite of the fact that it is unscientific, illogical, irrational and unreasonable. 

Despite all the efforts of the evolutionary scientists, not one observable case of spontaneous generation has ever been found, hence it remains a theory and not a fact.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i1/pasteur.asp

Even evolutionist Stephen Hawking said "the universe and the laws of physics seem to have been specifically designed for us. If any one of about 40 physical qualities had more than slightly different values, life as we know it could not exist: Either atoms would not be stable, or they wouldn't combine into molecules or the stars wouldn't form the heavier elements, or the universe would collapse before life could develop, and so on . . ."

olabowale:
Soonu Bindex. Yoowaa. Sorry my Hausa writting is worse and my spoken Hausa is just a shade better.

Good question. I hope the derailers of threads will not derail this one, to argue about this and that and not the Topic!

I am a muslim, after being raised by a mother is a former Christian, because Islam naturally appeal to me, to be a means or process of "Spiritual focus," even before I knew what islam stands for. Of course mothers are the single most the part parental entity that Offspring see in the matters of nurture and moral example. My mother was a good mother to me with much far for me, as a baby and all through my life, till today. I remember as a baby that she would do everything to please me. In my early days, say from age 3 upward, I still can remember her giving me smoked Salmon, piece with some biscuits and warm tea before bed.

In the afternoon, my choice of beverage was Crola, and I always get a tall glass, enough for my stomach, and even share with my peers who I play with. With all this special care, and with the fact that my mother was a devoted Christian, now a Muslim, Alhamdulillah, you can see that Islam must have attrected me so much that I never at anytime practiced Christianity. Yet my father (ra) was a man that little babies like me will have to consider to be grandfather, at least, so his influence on me, even though I saw him often and quite enough, was very minimal. My older brothers were old enough to be my parents, some have children 5 to 10 years older than me. And by the way I was not the last child!

If you consider all of these, above, you will see that my love for the physical process of Salah, the standing, bending and prostrating attracted me and I enjoyed it. I hear the call of prayer and my heart gets excited. The fasting was very special to me and I have been observing the full 30 days as early when I was before 7 years old.

Now, when i became older to even begin to discriminate between right and wrong and my belief in what is known as God (Allah) begins to take shape, I knew that there was ONLY ONE SINGULAR ENITITY that can be THIS HOLDER OF THE HONOR! His name to me was and still Allah.

I could not fathom the though that this GOD is at anytime powerless and can be overcome or not be needed by any. Infact I believed then as I believe now that all beings need HIm, subcontiously, even even some deny that He is not in existence. Their hearts and their souls know they are lying and He does exist! And all through this period of my life, I did not know how to read the Quran. Infact not even a letter of the the arabic language I could point out to anyone.Not even Alif! But my heart was drawn to Allah and never waivered!

Now that I am over 40 years old, the age which no one can claim to be orphan still,I have learnt how to read the arabic Quran, and from the Mercy of this Merciful Allah the Almighty, the Quran comes alive in my heart when I read it, and when I read it in English I understand it and knows that the world did not just exist all of a sudden, except there is a planner and the Planner is Allah, who created me as a human for a purpose. My purpose is to worship Him and He will amke ways for the rest; my life and my death and my worship is for His Pleasure. I seek Mercy from Him and I am in Submisssion to Him, willingly.

Again, why am I a Muslim. I find a clear and the only successful destination in it.

Duroe:
Tudor;
[b]According to history Jesus Christ died but He ressurrected and ascended to heaven.[/b]He died because of your sins. So if you repent and accept Him as your Lord and Saviour, then you will not perish but have everlasting life.
Come as you are to Jesu today and you will have your sins remmitted and have the power to be a son of God.
'For God have given us eternal life and this life is in His Son Jesus Christ; whosoever hav the Son have life, but whosover hav not the Son have not life'

davidylan:
Again you airhead desperately avoid the issue by coming up with redherrings about PROVING the bible right or wrong . . . that was NOT the point raised. Let me break it down since you dont have the mental capacity of an adult . . .

Tudors lie - 1.Your god has NEVER manifested himself and only speaks through people, each time his words strangely coincide with their own personal desires.

My refutation - How do God's words coincide with my personal desires?

Your own LIE - The people that wrote the bible claim that god spoke through them didn't they? When the jews were walking in the wilderness according to the bible with no land to live in did their god not tell them to kill other people and take their lands? Is that not a coincedence with their personal desires?

This is the ACTUAL TRUTH - Numbers 14: 1 And all the congregation lifted up their voice, and cried; and the people wept that night. 2 And all the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron: and the whole congregation said unto them, Would God that we had died in the land of Egypt! or would God we had died in this wilderness! 3 And wherefore hath the LORD brought us unto this land, to fall by the sword, that our wives and our children should be a prey? were it not better for us to return into Egypt? 4 And they said one to another, Let us make a captain, and let us return into Egypt.

Numbers 11:4 And the mixed multitude that was among them fell a lusting: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat? 5 We remember the fish, which we did eat in Egypt freely; the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlic: 6 But now our soul is dried away: there is nothing at all, beside this manna, before our eyes.

Now issue again - how did the desires of the jews coincide with the promise of God to take them to a promised land?

Let me repeat again - it has NOTHING to do with whether the jews were actually ever in the wilderness or not.

Good day.

davidylan:
and if you are interested in proof . . . i would be more than willing to take that up provided you fool are also ready to prove the validity of the counter theory of evolution.

Again good day.

davidylan:
God is the alpha and the Omega, the Begining and the End . . . the One who was and is and is to come. My Saviour, King, Lord and Best Friend.

Anyone who is not comfortable with the above can create a god to himself . . . to believe is not by force.

davidylan:
more drivel . . . pls look at the ISSUE AGAIN!

was it the EARTHLY DESIRE OF THE JEWS to inherit a promised land? where did they express this desire? You rushed in your ignorant haste to post a PROMISE FROM GOD . . . where did the jews ask for the promise? where did they EVER seek a land flowing with milk and honey OF THEIR OWN ACCORD? where these not the same people who tried TWICE to lead themselves back into Egypt?

Where is the coincidence? You've been bandying the word around . . . pls WHERE IS IT? coincidence of WHAT EXACTLY with WHAT?

THAT is the issue being debated on. the rest of your piffle is the usual run around when you fools have no footing to stand on.

davidylan:
errr you seem to be too blind to focus on the main issue . . . was it the EARTHLY DESIRE OF THE JEWS to inherit a promised land? where did they express this desire? You rushed in your ignorant haste to post a PROMISE FROM GOD . . . where did the jews ask for the promise? where did they EVER seek a land flowing with milk and honey OF THEIR OWN ACCORD? where these not the same people who tried TWICE to lead themselves back into Egypt?

Where is the coincidence? You've been bandying the word around . . . pls WHERE IS IT? coincidence of WHAT EXACTLY with WHAT?

THAT is the issue being debated on. the rest of your piffle is the usual run around when you fools have no footing to stand on.

davidylan:
How is that your business? why are you overly bothered about God speaking to me? I thot you said He doesnt exist . . . why not give urself a rest and go read about Darwin?

Thou fool . . . infact the desire of the Jews was COMPLETELY FAR FROM a promised land . . .


Numbers 14: 1 And all the congregation lifted up their voice, and cried; and the people wept that night. 2[b] And all the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron:[/b] and the whole congregation said unto them, Would God that we had died in the land of Egypt! or would God we had died in this wilderness! 3 And wherefore hath the LORD brought us unto this land, to fall by the sword, that our wives and our children should be a prey? were it not better for us to return into Egypt? 4 And they said one to another, Let us make a captain, and let us return into Egypt.

Numbers 11:4 And the mixed multitude that was among them fell a lusting: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat? 5 We remember the fish, which we did eat in Egypt freely; the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlic: 6 But now our soul is dried away: there is nothing at all, beside this manna, before our eyes.

Does that sound like people whose desire it was to inherit a promised land they had never seen?

These ignorant fools just know how to ejaculate all the time without engaging their brains.

Paul didnt even have a wife. The rest of the piffle here i'd need help understanding it, he must have read this in his own book.

When the bible says God has given up the wicked to a REPROBATE MIND . . . a mind that sees the truth but prefers to believe a lie . . . you cannot but shake your head in sadness. Where did this son of the devil find his examples that he sighted above?

When did the jews wish to use stoning to keep their kids in line?

davidylan:
What a dishonest phoney. My desire is to be able to sleep with as many women as possible with no repercussions . . . God's word calls it SIN.
My fleshly desire is to drink beer, curse with my friends and not have to bother with church on sundays . . . God calls that all SIN.

How do God's words coincide with my personal desires?

Okija_juju:
If he is saying its Gods will, then we are only right to say God inflicted the wife of his servant with cancer, put her through all that pain, suffering and anguish, then kill her in the middle of a crusade priod _{(where other people came to receive their own healing)}, just to prove to Kumuyi, Deeper lifers and the entire christian followers that he is BOSS.

How does this make any sense?? How does this support the "its my wish that you prosper and be in health" statement??

I'm just wondering out loud!!

Psa 139:16 your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

davidylan:
Bindex . . . indeed God doesnt exist . . . enjoy your paranoia.

davidylan:
bla bla bla . , you all just seem to be singing from the same broken record. WHAT EXACTLY do these 99% accept as fact? where are the facts? Can someone show us in plain language pls?

We're not really asking for too much here.

davidylan:
I asked a simple question - [size=14pt]What EXACTLY does evolution explain? Can someone write it out in plain language?[/size]

Why is that so hard to do? why is it more convenient to hide behind the skirts of "scientists that agree to evolution"? What exactly do you understand that they agree to? Forget about peer-reviewed papers, you've never written one but i have and i can tell you they are nothing but subjective opinions!

davidylan:
I read the drivel below and i had to laugh . . . do these fools have any shred of intelligence?

Did the designer force a cigarette into your mouth to smoke? Why shld he design a filter so you can indulge in your own immorality and sin? Why are billions dying at 90 with NO lung disease?

By the way . . . how would replaceable lung filters work? Replaced by what? type II alveolar cells are designed to replace type I alveolar cells in the lungs when destroyed . . . however since they were designed to produce surfactant and not to act as a medium of gas exchange, they are less efficient.

That is purely stupid. The arteries ABSOLUTELY require endothelial cells that line them for important functions such as production of clotting factors and the generation of NO (via eNos and iNOS) which signals arterial smooth muscle to expand and increase blood flow. If Teflon lined the arteries viagra and other NO donor drugs used for patients with coronary heart disease wont work!

To avoid arterial blockage, watch your diet . . . do not smoke. Teflon is only used as a temporary surrogate in emergency situations.

How? What's wrong with yours? What would an "efficient" digestive system look like? Would it allow us to absorb 100% of all weeat?

What's wrong with our eyes? What would the perfect set of eyes look like? Flashing camera lenses?

You posted a link and said "more can be learnt" there . . . in actual fact apart from the spurious piece of statistic quoted NOTHING COULD BE LEARNT THERE! For instance it said NOTHING about the etiology of spontaneous abortions that can range from immune abnormalities, uterine sepsis, chromosomal abnormalities or physical trauma . . .

Your link also said NOTHING on the important fact that the risk of spontaneous abortion goes up significantly for women older than 35 and or who have a history of prior miscarriages . . . significant clues as to the possible cause of spontaneous abortions.

The problem here is NOT the grand designer but normal human problems.

What's wrong with that? Did the designer also tell you not to observe good personal hygiene?

Apocrine glands are quite different from Eccrine glands in that the former is associated ONLY with hair follicles (which is why you find them on your scalp, armpits or pubis) while the former opens directly to the skin surface . . . i.e your forehead or palms. It is thus expected that both glands would excrete distinct types of molecules. The presence of fats and proteins at hair follicles is why you get pimples by the way.

But that same grand designer gave us vitamin C in the form of oranges knowing we had the intelligence to pluck one and eat. What's the problem?

could that be why the grand designer simply made sure that ordinary being outside in the morning sunlight is enough to provide you with the Vit D you need? I dont remember any of our ancestors complaining of rickets.

This again is more absurd thinking - not every cell in the body is the same. Efficient sperm production (spermatogenesis) requires a an optimum temperature than all other cells of the body which is why they hang out in the scrotal sac. One important thing to keep in mind is that sperm cells, unlike other cells of the body (somatic) are GERM CELLS, they carry only half the normal cellular chromosome and any heat-induced damage to chromosomes would lead to the transfer of possibly deleterious mutations to the offspring.

It is very amazing how the grand designer designed such an organ that can regulate its own core temperature. Have you noticed that the size of your scrotum changes automatically depending on your body temperature? If you havent ever noticed try taking a very cold shower outside during the winter or harmattan . . . notice how your scrotal sac tightens up and shifts upwards towards your body! Notice the difference in size and position when its extremely hot! All these happened without you thinking at all! Many men go through life without even noticing the phenomenon.

Perhaps you may be interested in reading up on the cremasteric reflex.

Now you raised the issue of whales and dolphins . . . but i'm not sure you even bothered to go read about the fact that both animals have specially designed vascular networks that keep their testes at temperatures lower than normal body temperature.

The grand designer gave you a brain to discern proper oral hygiene. Its not his fault if you have cavities in your teeth. That's why you have toothpaste. Use it!

what about those born WITHOUT natural eye defects? Do you still consider their eyes "poorly designed"?

Do you mean passing on genetic mutations to offspring? If one or both parents have dominant mutations in their genes OFF COURSE it would pass on to the offspring.
Do you mean diseases such as HIV? The offspring derives its source from the mother's blood . . . any organism carried by the mother would naturally pass on to the offspring. Its the same mechanism for all other organisms so how does this make sense?

You mean the same human reproductive system that has produced shallow brains like you? If this system were so poor i wonder why our population keeps exploding. Beats me . . . i'd like to know what a perfect system would have been like.

Did you fool ask yourself why heart disease is the number one killer in the world? Obesity, poor dietary habits, smoking . . . are about the most powerful causes of heart disease worldwide . . . it is not the grand designers place to design a food chart for you.

He did design hair that works . . . high levels of DHT is the primary cause of MPB.

i didnt even bother to comment on this one. Even an atheist immunologist would think you were crazy.

Have you wondered why people who develop chicken pox never develop it later in life? Ever wondered how vaccinations work even 10 yrs after you got the last shot? That's the grand designer's immune system at work . . . go study before coming across as an illiterate.

I havent seen any flaws . . . our bodies are simply a product of our environment, the foods we eat and the lifestyles we choose. Nothing to do with the grand designer.

How would you have designed yours?

Including your brain, vascular system, skeletal system, immune system, nervous system e.t.c.?

What are these birth defects and what are the "untold pain and suffering" they cause? Share them with us pls.

You finally ended your unbelievably unintelligent and verbose piece with the most absurd coonclusions i have ever read.

How did nature design the human brain? how did nature construct the cell? How did nature generate chromosomes and why do we have a different number to that of the horse?

How did nature design us with the ability to adapt so quickly to adverse conditions? Why did nature endow us with two eyes instead of one? how did nature provide us with a liver that can process almost anything, is capable of regenerating itself from a tiny piece and is one of the most complex organs in the body?

Why did nature give us lungs instead of gills? How did nature design the spleen and why? Where did all the vastly different cells that make up the body come from and who programmed them?

Of course i dont expect an unlearned fool to be able to tackle his own vomit. You're more used to leaving us empty high-sounding drivel that your equally empty-headed atheist colleagues see and nod in uninformed agreement.

To you the length of a piece is equivalent to "knowledge". I weep for the schools that produced the likes of you.

JeSoul:
Pilot Sir,
   erm I mean Bindex, how body?    This is the first really mad long post I've ever seen from you. And I am in the replying mood today  so . . .

I'm going to take a page out of the atheist playbook and ask you to "prove" all these beliefs that to you hold and attest to be truth. But I already know the existence or non-existence of God cannot be proven.

  So isn't it the same thing? We both believe in things we cannot scientificially prove?

I'm jealous but I digress . . .

These same primitive men that built the pyramids that almighty science and technology has still not been able to figure out how? Just cos the earlier generations were not nearly as developed as we are does not mean we dismiss them as completely irrelevant. They did some pretty fascinating and impressive things with their "limited" knowledge.

And this someone must be God for the rest of us to accept his opinion as the gospel truth right? It's his/her opinion. I know personally my faith is not driven or founded or rooted in guilt but moreso in love and sacrifice.

What?  I'm not even sure where to begin on this statement, so I'll give you the chance to retract it 

News flash brother, just cos some people abuse and misuse something good to their own evil end does not automatically make that good thing bad.
   I'm glad you used the word capable, yet we see everyday that men would rather embrace sin and wrong than do the right thing. Basic human morals are inherent in each of us, but human depravity is also just as basic to us.

One thing that always bewilders me is how do atheists arrive at the false conclusion that science and religion are opposing forces and are at war each other? 

On NL alone there are several of us christians who are heavily in science. To me science grants us better insight and gives us a deeper understanding of what God has created and done - it does not oppose it by any stretch of the imagination. Men would have us believe that it does, but it doesn't.

I'm glad again you used the key word of "self-appointed" . . . if I appoint myself the queen of Nigeria does this make me so?
  A belief I repeat that you cannot prove. So why speak with absolute assurance of that which you cannot substantiate?

divineson:
Thru our first parent, sin enter us, then thru christ we are redeemed, i mean only thru jesus christ, Let me make one thing clear to u, if u are a believer u accepted jesus christ u do commmit any sin, u don't near alcohol and u dont have faith in God nothin will work out , because God do try our faith.and i think that b4 d federal Govt built the nation Prison, they know already that,there will be breakers of law, so u should trace the source of mankind situation.


So you really need to look for more valid reasons for the present situation of mankind

noetic2:
This is one in 10 billion.


do u know how many people mohammed killed?

how many are the SLAVES if allah killing and have killed over the past 5 years alone in their own islamic countries?

noetic2:
Have u ever wondered why I never respond to ur posts? u have NEVER made SENSE.

noetic2:
I think it has to do with ur lack of capacity to understand.
God's presence has been repeatedly described as the fullness of joy, implying that[b] He has made all things perfect in His own time[/b].

The disasters u mentioned definitely reflect the absence of God. were they not foretold?

davidylan:
this is a flawed argument . . . many of you look too much at the negative side of creation as a sign that God shld not exist. But does it ever occur to you to look at the positives that far outweigh the negative? Ever wondered why the grand designer gave you a liver that can regenerate itself, two eyes instead of one, an intricately designed universe conducive to man's habitation, the gift of intelligence and memory that animals dont have?

The negatives you point out are not "evils" that God allowed into his grand design . . . they are consequences for sin and man's fall from grace. There was no HIV 500 yrs ago . . .

davidylan:
It is simplistically stupid and false statements like this that get me shaking my head in wonder. There is a difference between the label "christian" and having a genuine relationship with Jesus Christ . . . i doubt you understand that difference.

Having a relationship with Jesus is not something you automatically inherit by birth, if not the sons of Eli would have been the best priests that ever lived and Samuel would not have needed to anoint Saul as King.

davidylan:
Big world of difference . . .

being born an atheist implies God doesnt exist - A LIE.
Being born a sinner IMPLIES there is a God whose laws are eternal and which you are guilty of and for which you require the blood of the sinless Lamb to cleanse you from.

davidylan:
No . . . your conscience is a constant reminder that there is a God. Its the reason so many of you atheists parade these boards in the first place.

gen2genius:
No one was born an atheist by "default." We were all born with a part of God in us. Our spirit. The breath of life in you is from God. Does it not amaze you how a single ovum and a single sperm could develop into tissues, organs etc to form a beautiful life? Oh the wonders of the Awesome God!

People only become atheists the moment they sell their souls to satan and allow him to influence their lives. But even with that, they still retain a consciousness of God within them. They have what belongs to God. They have the breath of life, which can be taken from them at anytime (or what do you think actually causes death?). And they have their consciences.

We're not born atheists. But we can choose to be satan's allies, through atheism or any other attempt at dishonouring our Maker

noetic2:
Another LIE from the atheists.

davidylan:
you seem to have forgotten the last part of my comment that you quoted - It doesnt matter if you dont believe it!

davidylan:
Duh . . . because that in itself is evidence. It doesnt matter if you dont believe it!

xynerio:
Sure. Read mattew 28:5-7(kjv) verse 5: And d angel of d lord answered and said unto d women, fear not ye: for I know that u seek Jesus, which was crucified. Verse 6: He is not here: for if is risen as he(Jesus) said. Verse 7: and go quickly and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and behold he goeth before u into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo I have told u. While you do not believe he rose was because the pharises was afraid of what Jesus said'' after three days I will rise again'' they lied to u muslims that his disciples stole his body and claim he rose. Read matt 27:62-64 for details.