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Chrisbenogor:
@bindex
Rubbish jo, I don tire for all these people.

I am still waiting for any God to heal an amputee, a person whose eye balls have been taken out or the innocent children that are dying daily of AIDS, Cholera and Malaria in Nigeria, Malawi and Zimbabwe.

@Regonise

More from the bibleGod

Deu 13:6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known,

Deu 13:7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other),

Deu 13:8 do not yield to him or listen to him[b]. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him.[/b]

Deu 13:9[b] You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. [/b]

Deu 13:10 Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

Deu 13:11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

How is this God different from Allah?

Chrisbenogor:
Osisi please how do we verify all this? Talk is cheap!

Prophet Mohammed once divided the moon into two halves for the world to see.

Religious wars, thats what happens when you allow your lives to be dictated by writings of unknown authors that lived thousand of years ago and wrote on stones, trees etc. Davidylan what has the prophecy got to do with what is happening now in the middle east? Was Jerusalem not destroyed time without number after the prophesy?

4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

Is it the bibleGod that is striking Hamas and all the other Islamic fundamentalist or the American/Isreali made bombs and other ammunitions? Is it the bibleGod or the TorahGod that is killing all the Islamist? The IDF should not fight Hamas and just depend on the bible or Torah God to help them smite every horse(enemy) and infect them with blindness as it is written in the bible/Torah and lets see if they will last a day. What a bunch of nonsense.

Very funny but so true.

When there is wide spread poverty what else to you expect?

bawomolo:
Goddamn two hours? what happened, no fuel for vehicle again?

They should have called Pastor Adeboye to pray for the car so that it will function without fuel for them to use and go after the armed robbers.

Hmmmmmmm quite true.

The Nigerian police are waiting for the armed robber to change into cows so that they could be easily arrested.

mikeansy:
Nigeria is a complicated country and organisations with tribal and religous affiliations should stear clear of choosing Presidents.

Well said.

JJYOU:
it didnt occur to you that  the men, the herbs, the wisdom and everything that made the medicine were all created by our God [size=24pt]the fountain of the living water[/size]

Because you believe it does not make it true.

@Regonise

Why is the frying pan calling the kettle black? There are so many verse like that in the bible too where the bibleGod was advocation violence and death of the non Jews just because they happen to be non Jew.The bibleGod told the Hebrews to massacre an entire people because he believed they would corrupt his "chosen people". What did they do wrong?

What about the first born that he had killed in Egypt? What did all the first born do wrong? Is being born wrong? also remember that he was the one that hardened Pharoh's mind. So watch it. your own God is no better than the Allah you guys love to hate.

JJYOU:
jeremiah 17:13  New Living Translation

12 But we worship at your throne—
      eternal, high, and glorious!
13 O Lord, the hope of Israel,
      all who turn away from you will be disgraced.
   They will be buried in the dust of the earth,
      for  [size=24pt]they have abandoned the Lord, the fountain of living water.[/size][/size]
14 [b]O Lord, if you heal me, I will be truly healed;
      if you save me, I will be truly saved.
      My praises are for you alone!
15 People scoff at me and say,
   “What is this ‘message from the Lord’ you talk about?
      Why don’t your predictions come true?”



jeremiah 17:13   message translation

12-13From early on your Sanctuary was set high,
   a throne of glory, exalted!
O God, you're the hope of Israel.
   All who leave you end up as fools,
Deserters with nothing to show for their lives,
   who walk off from God, fountain of living waters—
   and wind up dead!

I wonder why almost all the Christians around still go to hospitals when they are sick take man made drugs and abide by man made instructions when taking their medication instead of prayer houses, even when the bible says that prayers alone are enough to heal them. Hypocrites and liars.

[quote author=**osisi link=topic=223220.msg3383457#msg3383457 date=1232905441]Not all HIV+ people are placed on medications right away
But that is not her decision to make.
She needs to go to a center that handles this,get her CD4 count and viral load determined
The CD4 is basically telling the amont of antibodies she has to fight infections and if they are still within normal ranges like that of a non infected person,she may not need medications but she has to be monitored constantly to be placed on medications immediately they begin to drop to dangerous levels and gets into frank AIDS then the case becomes almost hopeless (but for God's intervention)
@ the poster,please try to convince her to get to a clinic that handles such in Naija and keep her appointments and then pray that God heals her or at least keeps her CD4 within normal ranges for ever and her viral load very low or even negligible.[/quote]What about the millions of Christians that have already died of AIDS despite their endless prayers and fasting to the bibledGod? Why did he refuse to heal them? What about the innocent children that were infected through their mothers for no fault of their own who are still dying despite all the prayers and fasting for the bibleGod to come and heal them?

Is Sango a  Faith healer? Yes he is
Has he ever healed people from cancer, fibroid, heartache, barrenness etc Yes he has
What about HIV, yes he has too.

All these crooks that keep on deluding themselves with their stage managed "miracles". WHY DOES GOD NOT HEAL AMPUTEES? LIARS.

olabowale:
Huxley, I wonder what is the core tf your silly question/argument. Look at the lighlighted sentence. It answer your addresses your intentional misgiving. Read it again. Omnipotence is the ability in full power of God to do what He wants.

The operative word is "want!" Read it again. It was from your atheist definition. Wants and able to do, all the time. I want 50 T USD of my own right now. I am not able to have every penny of it, under my name.

God wanted to create mankind. He did it, immediately He wanted it. Should God create a stone or anything or even walk among humans, so as to cheapen His Majesty and Omnipotence? The answer is no, because He does not want something like that. None of these silly things you can come up with fits Him.

Fits who Allah or Jehovah? You deluded slave of Allah.

What the hell is wrong with the Dutch authority? Dont they know that Islam respect nobody? Dominion is the only thing that Islam knows and hence Muslims should not be given any chance to dominate anybody, violence is the only thing they know and because of that they should be not be respected unless they renounce violence which I don't believe is possible. The politics of appeasement is counterproductive when it comes to dealing the violent slaves of Allah. Piss on Allah, Muhammad and his slaves.

Do you beleive Christianity could have made it this far without the doctrine of hell?  Christianity has to have a hell.  It's the only thing that validates it. I doubt if Christians will really understand the concept of the bibleGod without the concept of hell to keep them in line .Would Christians love and worship the bibleGod  even if they knew 100% there was no hell? I doubt much. How can many Chritians create an "us" and "them" if they didn't have a place for "them" to go to?Also keep in mind that the concept of the bibleGod is not universally accepted by all Christians, Christians don't have a universal definition and conception of the bibleGod or how they believe he should operate. Also keep in mind that the bibleGod like all other Gods heavily depend humans to explain things and do everything for him?

davidylan:
good. you really dont need to sweat this stuff.
If you think its absurd then abandon it.

OK

Interesting thread

Kai dayo da hauwa sai maganan basa kawai ku ke ta yi, kun haukache ko?

olabowale:
@Bindex:
Definitely, Abraham, who should be addressed as Ibrahim (AS), is obviously not "Jewish or Jew," in religion or ethnicity.

If you make this obvious mistake, then I wonder where reality is for you. Let me share something with you. The ethnicity of Ibrahim, who was born in a city state/civilization of Mesopotamia of today's Iraq, could never have been a Jew. Jew as an ethnicity came even after the name Judah, who is one of the male sons of Jacob. Jacob was a grand son of Ibrahim. Could my great grandfather bear the ethnic group formed from the first name of my son? Could my greatgrandfather be called a person from Olayiwola, or is Olayiwola, through my blood, which is in turn through my father's blood, which in turn through his fathers blood, which in turn by virtue of the patriachial lineage connection, Olayiwola must claim that he is from my great grandfather's named group?

And when was the religion known as Judaism started? It can't until the person know as Judah, a son of Jacob became dominant in the cultural rhetorics of the Children of Israel. This will not come about, Judea, Jew and judaism until the death of the son of Solomon, who after his death, you had two nations known as Israel and Judea!

Go and read the Bible, again. And when you find the truth, don't be ashamed to reenter Islam. And when you do, bring mom, along. Then get married. If you can't find a wife, talk to me. I will find you a strong woman, who will help rebuild you up, brick by brick.

And in the other matters, about Job, and Elijah, Jesus, Moses, etc, you must know that an hausa man is an Arewa man, but still a Nigerian, an African and a human being. Just because a person is Jewish by bloodline, can be assumed he is by religion. The christian believes that Jesus is by bloodline alone, but not by religion. If they believe he is also by religion, then it behoves me and anyone with critical thought that the Christian could abandone the religion of Jesus and choose something else. Will they not understand that they oppose their lord god by abandoning his religion?

The muslims on the other hand say that all prophets, Jewish or not; (the none Jews include from your list Noah, Ibrahim, at least because these came before Judah, the son of Jacob), are believers, because they are the messengers and or prophets of God on earth. They are the ones given instructions to pass to man, while they themselves strictly practice the same where applicable.

It is only in the case of muhammad, a non Jewish messenger and Prophet (AS) that we see the whole of mankind was inclusive, instead of tribes, or ethnic people. Proof; the letters of Muhammad (AS) to Kings, and Emperors of other nations and kingdoms inviting them to Islam.

Go and study. And come back. I asked you to give me Verses, you have not be able to do so. A single verse, word for word, with Qur'aanic verse not superior in message or exegese to the Bible, Torah or whatever book you claim will be enough. If the verse in the Qur'aan is not inferior, which should have been the case, is okay. But should never be better than the original. But if it is better, in tone, style, message, etc, then can it be a plagiarised material?

I personally do not believe in any of those legends but you really have some convoluted points up your sleeves.

Yara'dua should resign if he can not fully execute his duty as president.

Which way Nigeria? This is no longer funny, excessive belief in the supernatural is really killing us a nation.

This is sick and crazy.

[quote author=I-fy link=topic=219224.msg3380494#msg3380494 date=1232800447]All the Atheists can now leave America to somewhere else (Atheist Planet)  !

BECAUSE:
* The money says "in God we trust"
* National songs like "America the beautiful says God bless America"
* The founding fathers said "God bless America"
and finally,
* Obama has for the second time taken the Oath of office with the Bible, dedicating America to God Almighty.[/quote]Is it the same God that George Bush insist speaks to him all the time? or is it the same God that the gay pastors all over America insist they hear from all the time too? By the way the American founding fathers were mostly deist.

olabowale:
@Bindex: Show me, side by side a verse that the Qur'aan plagiarized, from either Bible or Torah, against the Bible or Torah Verse. Then analyse it yourself and we should know that the Original has to have more substance and better constructed than the copy.

Now you will see that, you Bindex, don't know what you are talking about. Am waiting, because a mere and empty rhetoric will not so here. Mr. Atheist thinks he will get away scott-free. No, man. it aint gonna be easy. You threw the gaunlet, you gotta walk the plank, now. Lol.

Caution, everyone: He will make me wait a whole week, before attempting to give a lame entry, pretending to have answered by challenge. Abeg, Ol Boy, quicken your foot steps. Am too Old to wait all day in the Cold for nothing.

The problem is that you are more deluded than I initially thought, now I know that you will come up with the delusional line and popular moslem mantra that Abraham, Moses, Job, Noah, Elijah, Jesus and all the other Jewish patraiachs are Moslems and slaves of Allah, Pls get real and stop drinking the koranic cool aide. All the koranic stories were copied from the Jewish Tarnakh end of story.

davidylan:
you just love to talk dont you?
Christianity isnt Judaism . . . they are completely poles apart.
Judaism = old covenant (salvation in the blood of bulls and goats)
Christianity = new covenant (salvation in the blood of Jesus Christ)
Dont just type because ur brain tells you to, try understanding what it is you have to say.

This makes it more absurd. I wonder why an almighty deity needs the blood of animals to soothe his ego  from living inside a man made wooden ark to needing the blood of donkeys, bulls and goats to make him smile and feel good. you forgot to include human blood because the bibleGod use to accept human scarifice too. Now he decided to shed his own blood after being tired of consumming the blood of humans and animals. What a deity. By the way Judaism is not what you erronously defined. Judasim does not equal any old covenat as Christains will like us to believe it is a religion on its own and is still existing today but according to the christain narrative it is the old covenant but in reality it is not, even after the Christains(like the moslems) stole their entire religious narrative from the Judaism. The original hebrew Tanakh is quite different from the old testament text of the bible from where most of the stories were copied from.

Judaism (from the Greek Ioudaïsmos, derived from the Hebrew יהודה, Yehudah, "Judah";[1] in Hebrew: יַהֲדוּת, Yahedut, the distinctive characteristics of the Judean eáqnov)[2] is a set of beliefs and practices originating from the saga of the ancient Israelites, as embodied and codified in the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh), as later further explored and explained in the Talmud and other texts. Judaism presents itself as the covenantal relationship between the Children of Israel (later, the Jewish nation) and God. As such, many consider it the first monotheistic religion although many aspects of Judaism correspond to Western concepts of ethics and civil law. Judaism is among the oldest religious traditions still being practised today, and many of its texts and traditions are central to other Abrahamic religions. As such, Jewish history and the principles and ethics of Judaism have influenced various other religions, including Christianity and Islam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism