₦airaland Forum

asha 80:
Maybe because we are thanking God that we have not yet approached that situation though we are closing in.

Image123:
@ow11
hello,see I'm not saying I know all.no.But they're not the only ones that studied science.All I'm doing is putting their 'talk' under scrutiny,and the lapses are clear.Let me give you a scenario of what scientists are saying about man's history.They stumble on human relics in some cave,take the rocks around the remains and go to date it.Then they get some figure which is supposed to be the age of the rock and tell us 'this relic was here when this rock was formed about 10000 years ago'.And they assert that.Imagine,something which is a speculation is turned to an assertion and printed on science reports.some get lucky,they might see a pollen grain around the relic.Then they say waoh,cavemen used to bury their dead with flowers.That's the way they build all the fables with little details around.That to me is not enough evidence,but just a creative mind who may make more money in hollywood.Then they begin to compare dates of different relics found and conclude o,the earliest man is found in Southern Africa.He was walking with his back bent and speaking pidgin.without much ado,the science world applauds the discovery.That's just about how most of this history of man is done.And I'm supposed to believe that when I have a more sure word of prophecy.[/b]It's not done.

Image 123. You disregard scientific facts and hold unto unfactual beliefs as facts. Let me repeat what m_nwanko wrote

[b]Paradoxically those that interpret creation stories literally are daily benefiting from advances in genetics, molecular biology, cosmology, astrophysics etc. You are prepared to take an antibiotic to cure a bacterial infection, you are prepared to vaccinate babies to prevent hepatities etc and yet refuse to see that the same genetic technigues that lead to the development of antibiotics, vaccines etc are the same thing used in analysing the origin of the human body

Image123:
@bindex
who turned you to a moderator?I think you should be looking for evidence to show that man was around and bubbling in China during the time of the flood.

Image123:
@m_nwankwo
haha,so now we're asking for real evidence from you and then you suddenly feel only a Ph.D holder in genetics engineering will understand.So its now becoming an esoteric thing.share it with us now.That's what scientists do.They try to provide undeniable evidence.Evidence to show from a 'machine' that man came from subsaharan Africa

Paradoxically those that interpret creation stories literally are daily benefiting from advances in genetics, molecular biology, cosmology, astrophysics etc. You are prepared to take an antibiotic to cure a bacterial infection, you are prepared to vaccinate babies to prevent hepatities etc and yet refuse to see that the same genetic technigues that lead to the development of antibiotics, vaccines etc are the same thing used in analysing the origin of the human body

redsun:
I respect people that become atheist in nigeria.The religious indoctrinations,man made impossibilities and superstitions is too blind folding to see differently,the brain seems useless because every thing depends and evolves around the supernatural.

I found my true self and meaning of life outside nigeria.

Okija_juju:
Yeah I heard of that shit. I would have tought that he would have won a Nobel Prize for Science. Inventing a car that goes on Air and battery alone.

Gen_mayor:
pastor adeboye is the 2nd respected man of God in the world after pope John Paul

Blood_Shed:
You're serving here too? That's why I'm here LOL. Jeez.

Where did you grow up?

You in Batch B? Because I know Batch A finish in February so I'm guessing by a few months you mean July? Explain lol

But LMFAO Damn, this is typical in Africa. When I was debating with my idiot cousin that time, I always asked him why this stuff only happens in Africa, or Black African/Caribbean communities abroad, i.e. London, Brazil, US etc, and not to your regular Sally and Pat (white people basically lol). Then he was like ''they do, you just don't know'', and I asked him how he even knows how it works and then he started calling me a demon etc. *shakes head*. How gullible can people be? I asked him whether the western superstition idea of cracking a mirror and receiving seven years of bad luck is true and he said no, and I was like ''why? It's the same thing, why is yours true, they both have no evidence?'' then he just said Ineed to ''believe in it to understand''. *shakes head*.

I won't lie, the longer I've been here the more I realise that as much as I'm liking my stay in Nigeria, I can't se myself living here, even if there are more job opportunities out here for me than in the UK. I might just look at America or Canada as a place to settle in the future instead.

OLAADEGBU:
This is how Mathematics have solved one of the big controversies among some Bible scholars. The last twelve verses of the Gospel of Mark are suspected to be disputed or claimed to be added by some later scribes. This view comes from an excessive reliance on the Alexandrian manuscripts that were promoted by the agnostic Westcott and Hort which is simply not true. There are several ways to disprove this claim but I want to use the Mathematical solution inherent in the Scriptures itself, which is the design aspect.

The structure of the passage (vs 9-11) is the first segement which is an appearance to Mary in the Garden and the disciples' unbelief; The next section (vs 11-18) describes appearances by Jesus Christ; The final verses (vs 19-20) are the conclusion.

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[li]In Greek, these last twelve verses contain 175 words that is, (7 x 25).
There are 553 letters = 7 x 79.
The vowels of the letter = 294, The consonants of the letter = 259; each exact multiples of seven.
The vocabulary used consists of 98 different words = 7 x7 x 2.
84 of those vocabulary words are found earlier in Mark = 7 x 12
14 are found only here = 7 x 2.
42 are used in the Lord's address = 7 x 6, 56 are not = 7 x 8.
Each one of these conditions is an exact multiple of seven.[/li]
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Are these accidental or deliberate? What are the chances of these being the product of random chance? The odds that this was a result of random chance is one chance in over 40 million. The number "7" is the number of perfection.

Dr. Panin has identified 75 such heptadic constrainsts! For even half of those, it would take over 1 million supercomputers over 4 million years to enumerate the alternatives. (7³⁴ = 5.4 x 10²⁸ tries:assuming 400 million tries/second results in 4.3 x 10¹² computer years)

tayoccu:
I was on a thread about a guy that disappeared after wearing a crash helmet given to him by an okada man. along the line, some people doubted the possibility of such an occurrence just because they didn't see it with their own eyes, a particular fellow even tried to prove it with logic that it is totally impossible.
I just told em it's a sign of the end days.

nairalanders, wat I'd like to know is, IS THE SUPERNATURAL SUBJECT TO LOGIC? please do respond.

m_nwankwo:
Hahhahaaaaa image 123. You seem not to understand what genes are and how the work or else you should not have said the above. Indeed genome profiling can give you the  age of your grandfather, not just your granfather but going back into people who lived in antiquity. It is such studies that traced modern humans to subsahara Africa. You have not studied the genes and yet you claim it is all fairly tale. Paradoxically those that interpret creation stories literally are daily benefiting from advances in genetics, molecular biology, cosmology, astrophysics etc. You are prepared to take an antibiotic to cure a bacterial infection, you are prepared to vaccinate babies to prevent hepatities etc and yet refuse to see that the same genetic technigues that lead to the development of antibiotics, vaccines etc are the same thing used in analysing the origin of the human body. The only argument that people like you have is to always rely on what is yet to be discovered. Be specific and mention those future discoveries that will annul the present genetic studies on the origin of the human body. Yet what is yet to be discovered is not an evidence but wishful thinking. Discover it and then it can be examined. Yes genes do not lie. A man can claim to be the parent of a child. All you need is to do a DNA paternity test and you will have 100% certainty wheather the claimant is the father or an imposter. Of all the creation stories that religions propound and interpret literally, no one has yet answered why there are no physical evidence of these events since they were claimed to happen in the physical world and involve physical bodies. Genetics is increasingly contradicting these literal interpretations and all that religious claimants have are calims without evidence. What is the evidence that God literally moulded Adam from the sand? What is the evidence that God made Eve from the rib of Adam? What is the evidence that the whole humanity came from Adam and Eve? It lies with people who have a literal interpretation of these creation accounts to do research and provide scientific evidence. So far I am not aware of any genetic study confirming these literal interpretation of creation accounts. Stay blessed.

ow11:
This is where you should have ended your argument because that is the degree a Christian should hold the bible to. You are lambasting the Chinese history because you do not know anything about it. You were taught in school and churches about Man's history from the European point of view whilst holding the Judeo-Christian story of the origin of man firm.

The Bible was not written to compete with science or engineering. Using the bible to tell the origins of Chinese people is wrong.I would be glad if people can talk like Joel Osteen and say 'I do not know' rather than make points based on an interpretation of the Bible which other points of view can be deduced from anyway.

Until we find answers as our knowledge improves, we should try to stop behaving like the Christians in the middle ages that chastised Copernicus, Galileo and other great scientists when they put forward scientific theories that went against some interpretations of the bible that were held strongly at that time.

JustGood:
That is what happens when freedom is taken to certan heights. Cant you all see what the British and American societies have become in terms of morals?

They think nothing of doing terrible things. Kids taking knives to school in societies where there is relative safety and comfort. Kids going on shooting sprees because the society tells them their lives are meaningless. A society that does not know God is a society that will be full of people whose lives have no meaning.

When they 'enjoy' briefly and realise that there is no deep satisfaction in what they consider to be enjoyment, their lives go pear shaped.

davidylan:
conscience is the problem. That's why they are forever heckling christians . . . they really arent sure if they are the right path.
If they knew assuredly that God didnt exist they wont even bother with christians at all.

Image123:
@bindex
hi,It's good to see that you're beginning to understand my point.That's the christian's way.It's the way of faith.We don't wait for God to write 'I AM GOD' boldly in the sky before we believe.we're not shaky when you ask for us to provide evidence of God.We know God,we've without doubt seen Him work in our lives and in the life of others,so much that we know that He is able to do all things.Unfortunately,your own foundation is not on faith but on sight.thats what you call evidence.What we christians call evidence is what we say you cannot understand except you're born of God.The EVIDENCE of things not seen.that is faith.It's an evidence that is more valid,clearer than things seen.I repeat,you may not understand until you're born again.Through faith,we understand.We understand that the world was framed by the word of God.That is our evidence.You're trying to counter it by evidence.Sad enough,you have no evidence but just extrapolations and possibilities.Guesswork from studies of fossils.Thats not good enough.you're the ones so particular about site evidence.The responsibility is on you to show us real evidence,not cunningly devised fables of cavemen holding spears and walking awkwardly.

Image123:
@m_nwankwo
It seems you do not understand the basics of christians.It is faith.Believing.The evidence of things not seen.Our foundation is on believing God,walking by faith not by sight.It is scientists and people like you and bindex that depend on evidence as their chief source,their foundation,their belief.So you see,we're comfortable without physical evidence.You're the one that is not.Our faith is built on trust in God.We see what He is doing,we believe what our fathers said He did.We can easily say/infer that He did this in my time,sure He could have done what my fathers said He did.And we've found His Word infallible.On the other hand,'science' sees us as unreasonable.Suprisingly,they're building all their theories on belief,not on evidence.Please explain to layboys like me how a gene will tell you that your fathers came from subsaharan Africa.where is the evidence that you're so fast to cry out for from us.We're aware of the benefits of science,there's no point putting me up against it.But tell us,how can one see a relic,take fragments that human eye cannot see and begin to tell us that this man lived in the rocks,ate so so food,used paper.where is the proof.How scientific is that.If you say that in another religion,its understandable.But for scientists to give fairy tale stories,that's not scientific enough

must_a_far:
the basic functions of govt to my brothers and sisters is for it(govt) to paint a few hospital walls, ban children hawking during school hours, installing CCTV camera's before figuring out how it would be powered, buy a yatch to be used as a hotel, and declare state of emergency on power, spending taxes/state allocations on airfields for exports without having the traders/manufacturers raise the standard of their exports, building a airport in ur state but not having the air traffic to justify it.

that right there is a summary of the functions of govt.

Tayo-D:
@topic,
Now that's Pallywood at its finest.  I especially like the Reporter's description of the Production outfit - Casualties Production .  This is taking Al taqiya to another level entirely!!

chidichris:
Muza,
u are correct, their end is near. today hamas leader said they are close to victory so i believe both of u.
i can see how humane u all are. how come none of u comented when obj wiped out Odi and a tiv village? wow you guys really like palestinians more than nigeria.
for those dead who are not hamas supporters, may their souls rest in perfect peace - Amen. but for the hamas supporters, 28 virgins for them over there.

Kobojunkie:
You know what I see? I see progress. The more people come out to state the truth as it really is, the more I see hope for change in that country. I kid you not. I am of the belief that in order to solve a problem, one must first ACCEPT that there is a serious problem that needs to be solved. Reading this sort of articles from Nigerians, tells me that there are definitely people out there who are willing to accept that our reality is completely wrong and at some point we will need to make drastic changes to it or be doomed by it. Hope is slowly creeping in here.

Ascony:
oh yeah! so what was here before earth came?

Blood_Shed:
So you're based in Abuja too? And how did you ''learn the hard way''?

Thank goodness I'm not based in Lagos right now, or anywhere else in Naija for that matter. It's bad enough that the idiot cousin I was telling you about had my little cousin actually believing that I was a demon during that conversation just because I said I don't believe in Juju (I didnt even say I didnt believe in Christianity so imagine what could have happened then) until I had to stress the fact that I'm not and he eventually believed me. I swear I wanted to knife him up for that comment, not because I believe in imaginary beings like demons, but the fact that he was trying to imbed dangerous lies onto the mind of an eight-year old boy. And the poor boy was frightened of me for like 5 minutes. I love my little cousin to death, I'm like his big brother, I do everything for him, then this idiot is going to try to turn him against me with such lies. And for what? *Kisses teeth*

I'm not going to lie I'm fuming about that, I haven't been this angry for a while.

But this is typical of religious people. They are the worst group of people, especially African Muslims/Christians. That they will go as far as pulling off things like this just to prove a point, not realising how much damage is actually being done.

Image123:
@bindex
don't confuse yourself.so the chinese were bubbling during the time of Noah's ark.you were with them in spirit abi.Don't just come here and feed us with untraceable lies.are there documents to attest to that as a matter of fact?Do the times correlate?I hope you're not building on what stories even the chinese know/agree to be fables and legends.

Image123:
@m_nwankwo
so i'm supposed to provide Adam and Eve's remains for DNA tests.well that's a tall order.count me out.and don't be too suprised if in 10years,an invention comes out that makes a complete mockery of the ones presently been used for DNA studies.What stories do genes tell Uall speculation.Can gene study tell you how old your grandfather was?[b]The way scientists go about this gene thing with all the fairy tale.[/b]genes don't lie.You're looking at someone's skull and you're talking about the tools he used,where he lived and how he walked 10000yrs ago! Thats all speculation,no truth in all that but It's celebrated all over science world.So much for science fiction.

m_nwankwo:
Hi again Image 123

The word of God is infallible if what is said to be the word of God is actually the word of God. You are correct that God is immutable but the laws which came from God are also immutable. There are limitation in scientific research but those limitations are known and the harmful consequences of incestous relationship is an extablished scientific fact. I maintain that the intrinsic nature of Gods creation cannot be changed even by God and I will use your example of potter and clay. Yes the potter (God) can mould the clay(creatures) to a pot, calabash, cup etc but the intrinsic constiuent of the forms pot, clay, calabash is clay. The potter who made the clay can transform the clay in any form but the forms are still clay. That is my point. If you claim that what you call Adam and Eve have perfect genes, then provide the scientific evidence. I am willing to examine it. Many things can lie but not the genes. In the genes lie the secrets of biological life. If the entire humanity came from a single man and woman, clues of that will be left in the genes of we present day humans. To simply say that God can do this or that is just a claim. If God did it provide the scientific evidence.  It is that simple. Cheers

m_nwankwo:
Hahhahaaaaa image 123. You seem not to understand what genes are and how the work or else you should not have said the above. Indeed genome profiling can give you the  age of your grandfather, not just your granfather but going back into people who lived in antiquity. It is such studies that traced modern humans to subsahara Africa. You have not studied the genes and yet you claim it is all fairly tale.

Image123:
@bindex
the burden of proof lies on me to show you that the chinese descended from Adam?you must be kidding I'm sure.Let me repeat this to help UNeither I nor any christian owes you such explanations.You search the Scriptures.Adam gave birth to children.Some of them migrated to China,how difficult is that.And you believe the Bible must contain the name China to make it complete.How ridiculous.The Bible is not a geographical atlas or a world census document.It contains what is relevant for our relationship with God and our happy stay on earth.

If Nigerians really love Nigeria, there is no evidence of love for it.
There is evidence of pride, but nothing else.
There is evidence of life, but not lively.
There is evidence of surviving, but not living.
There are all kinds of movement, but mostly struggling.

Seun:
What closet? Tai Solarin was an atheist, and very widely respected. Wole Soyinka, as far as I know, is an atheist.