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georgecso:
@OLAADEGBU
I appreciate your comments bro and l just hope people will open their hearts for once and see the light

What light? is there any light in Islam? deluded slaves of a murderer and a fraud.

OLAADEGBU:
@olabowale,

As georgecso said, you are entitled to your opinion and we respect that. God Almighty is a gentleman who will not force His Truth upon anyone. He has made you a free moral agent who has the freedom to choose between life and death. The thief only comes to steal, kill and destroy but Jesus has come so that we can have life more abundantly, the choice is yours, life or death.

Your own God is no different from their own stupid murderer. The bibleGod is a gentle man who will not force his truth on any one eh? have you read the bible at all?

1Ki 18:36 At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: "O Lord, God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command.

1Ki 18:37 Answer me, O Lord, answer me, so these people will know that you, O Lord, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again."

1Ki 18:38 Then the fire of the Lord fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench.

1Ki 18:39 When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, "The Lord--he is God! The Lord--he is God!"

1Ki 18:40 Then Elijah commanded, "Seize all the prophets of Baal. Don't let a single one escape!" So the people seized them all, and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there 

After showing the people that the bibleGod is superior to the Baal (their God) the bibleGod allowed his prophet Elijah to kill all the prophets of Baal just because they do not believe in him. Instead of giving them the chance to confess their "sins" and accept him as their God since he just showed them how powerful he is he allowed Elijah to slaughter them like chickens. This is the same God that you keep lying and claiming that he is a gentle man. What kind of gentle man is this that almost killed his best friend Moses? Elijah is the same murderer the bibleGod was so pleased with that he took him to "heaven" alive . What a gentle man God.

OLAADEGBU:
The Chinese Language and the Creative Hands of God

Who among all these [God's creatures] does not know That the HAND OF THE LORD has done this, In whose HAND is the life of every living thing, And the breath of all mankind? Job 12:9,10, NKJV

Few realize that the early Chinese (c. 2200 B.C.) worshiped a Creator-God, the Heavenly Ruler. Fewer still have appreciated the "second Genesis" which their ingenious ancient character writing contains. 1 The 4,000-year-old Imperial Sacrifice ceremony observed annually by China's reigning emperors attests to their original post-deluge patriarchal connections. 2 A word-of-mouth knowledge of God (even the Trinity), the Creation, Garden of Eden, and Fall of man, could have come to them from Adam via Lamech, Noah's father; and Noah's son, Shem, the probable Chinese progenitor.

A study of the oldest known Chinese scripts, the bronzeware and oracle bone writing, supports the concept of their detailed knowledge of the antediluvian world. These early written forms are more pictographic (picture writing) than today's surviving "shorthand" transcriptions. The most primitive and basic characters, called "radicals," serve as the "ABC's" of the writing. When radicals are combined, they form one type of a more complex character, called the "ideograph," which relates a story or concept.

http://www.icr.org/article/chinese-language-creative-hands-god/

Now your are up to building straw man after straw man on the Chinese eh? . can you pls show me where the Chinese were mentioned in the bible?

OLAADEGBU:
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And the bibleGod is all right eh? He created the plants on his 3rd day of "creating" the earth without rain. but he seems to have forgoten and and told the ancient Jews to write that he created the plants after he sent rain to fall.

1:11 And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, [and] fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so.

Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:13 And there was evening, and there was morning--the third day.

. Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it he rested from all his work which God had created and made.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

Gen 2:5 And no plant of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up; for Jehovah God had not caused it to rain upon the earth: and there was not a man to till the ground;

It seems the bibleGod did not even know when he created the plants, in genesis chapter one it says that he created plants on the 3rd day by commanding the earth to put forth grass, herbs yielding seed and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind , in genesis chapter two it says that after he had finished creating the earth and had rested on the 7th day there were still no plants on the earth because he had not yet caused it to rain and also because there was no man to till the ground. So which is it? when did he create the plants on the second day or after he created the whole earth and rested? He seems to be very confused about how he created the earth.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

What is this? generation of the heaven and the earth when they were created in the day that Jehova created the earth? Did he create the earth in seven days or in one day?

1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.

The bibleGod created Man and animals as vegetarians eh? tigers, lions, polar bears, cheeters, hyenas etc where all meant to feed on green plants as meet? before suddenly changing his mind and making animals like lions and tigers to eat only by painfully killing other defenseless animals and making them suffer?

Thats the way to go.

OLAADEGBU:
@bindex,

I sincerely pity you when I read about the story of your life, how you ended up being an atheist or is it an enemy of your Creator.  The Bible says this about God: "He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who has hardened himself against Him, and has prospered?"  The first mistake was not of your making; you were a product of a marriage of unequal yoke and you ended up following your mum to her church thinking that will make you a Christian.  That was another mistake on your part.  You don't become a Christian by being a member of a Church but that was your misconception, thinking that you were a Christian when you were not.  "[/i]

The problem is that you keep spewing nonsensical Christain talking points. I am alive today because I was opportuned to be brought up both as a Christian and a Moslem, I was caught up in (two religious crisis one in Jos and the other in Kano) my unique back ground saved me if not i would long have been killed by either the slaves of Allah in kano or the Children of Jehovah in Jos. I am not afraid of any religious crisis in any part of the world I know the bible and the koran very well and I will always pass when others are senselessy killed in the name of imaginary deities.

But then the scales were removed when you saw persecution that took the lives of Christians who at the face of death did not deny the Lord.  Because your faith was fake you quickly denied you ever knew the Lord and you were spared by the Islamic terrorists.  You need to read the story of Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego who at the face of death declared [i]"we are not careful to answer thee in this matter. If be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and He will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.

What has the myth of of Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego  got to do with this? Pls tell me, apart from mythology give me the name of one person that has ever been put in a fire as hot as the one decribed as the one in the story of Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego and came out alive. Myths like this only exist in the pages of the bible, Koran and other religious text, Why has the bibleGod suddenly lost his powers? We don't see him performing such miracles in todays world do we? And as for my late friend that were killed by the bastard slaves of that bastard imaginary fraud of a God called Allah. They only did what another imaginary God told them to do. Here is what Jesus said in the bible.

22 "Have faith in God," Jesus answered. 23 "I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. 24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. 25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."

When the Bastard slaves of that imaginary fraud of a God called Allah were beating and attacking my late friends they called unto their own imaginary God for help quoting his word and reminding him of what he said in the above passage but because he is imaginary they ended up being killed. keep in mind that Jesus said that "I tell you the truth, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" That was a gaint FAIL, my friends and so many Christians have tried it and it turned out to be a gaint FAIL(millions of Christains have been killed under the supposed watchful eyes of the bibleGod while he was masturbating away in heaven ). As a Christain I used to lay hands on people when I see them surffering due to illness but that too was another giant FAIL(I ended up always giving excuses for God for not answering my prayers), reason is God is imaginary and only exist in our minds. The bibleGod saved Jonah and made him survive inside a fish for 3 days, he made the sun to stand still so that his chosen people can kill off all their enemies, He saved Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego, divided the sea into two for his Chosen people to cross over(did something similar again in the book of Joshua) an on an on but he can not do the same to the million that are calling upon his daily for help in one way or the other. Why did he suddenly loose all his powers?

Notice that they said even if their God did not deliver them from the burning fiery furnace they were willing to die and that they will not serve other gods.  They were prepared to die as matyrs for God.  There is also a more recent story of some Christians in a communist country who were given a choice to deny Christ or face death by freezing to death on ice.  God opened the eyes of one of the soldiers and he saw the Christians being crowned with crowns by an angel as soon as they died but when it got to the turn of the last Christian who changed his mind at the last minute and denied Christ, it was at this point that the soldier who saw what happened to the believers who died decided to receive Christ as his personal Lord and Saviour and take the place of the one who had denied Him, that was how that soldier became a matyr for Christ and received his crown.

Why is it that we only get to hear about this stories but never witness them? 

You have the chance of repenting as God who is a merciful God will still forgive

Are you talking about the same God that sent his lions out to kill a group of people who were new to Samaria because they didn't know the proper way of worshipping him in the book of 2 Kings, or are you talking about the same "merciful" God that sends forth two bears to kill forty-two children for making fun of Elisha’s bald head? Is it the same "merciful"God that killed about 70 people just because they looked into a wooden ark he was said to be hiding inside? Ohh i remember he is the same "merciful" God that almost tried to kill his best friend Moses because of circumcision? all these besides the endless and meaningless killings that he commanded his "chosen people" to carry out against their enemies or his enemies(those that worship other Gods) What a "merciful" God indeed.

Peter who also denied ever knowing the Lord repented and served the Lord with all his might.  Judas committed suicide and it is said that one has to be out of his or her mind to take their own life

What is this? which of the story of peter denieing Jesus are people supposed to believe? There are 2 contrdictory stories found in the bible. How did Judas Iscariot die? Two very contradictory stories too in the bible.

It is also said in the Bible that "the fool hath said in his heart that there is no God", in my dialet's translation it says that a crazy man says in his heart that there is no God, and this is what you are currently displaying for all to see on this public forum, hence the pity I have for you.

And I bindex say that a crazy man says in his heart that there must be a God.

Can a man fight against his maker and succeed?  The very air you breath if He is to withold it from you for a few minutes you will be as dead as do do, so I plead with you, why do you want to die like a chicken?  God is not begging you to repent He commands you to repent or else you will perish.  There is still hope while you are alive

The bibleGod did not create me from sand, I am a radical atheist and I have no apologies. Yes I want to die like a chicken pls tell the bibleGod to PLEASE prove to you that he is God by killing me and taking my life the next minute(If that will make some people repent and believe in him) if he doesn't then he is a useless piece of chicken shit.

Image123:
Do you believe in the contents of the gospel of Mark?Leave the dates that the gospels were written to those of us who believe the 4 gospels.They were written to complement each other,not to outdo each other or repeat or revise each other.

I dont believe in the contents of the poorly written and very contradictory gospel. The dates are very important because only proves that the writers made the stories up. Why is it that non of what they wrote about Jesus is found any where else apart from the bible? Josephus wrote extensively about Herod but he neve mentioned any infanticied that was ordered by herod when Jesus was born. There was darkness and earth quake all over the land when the Romans crucified Jesus yet for over 3 hours yet no body cared to write about it, dead saints raising and walking the streets of Jerusalem still nobody cared to write anything about them. Jesus feed 5 thousand people with 5fish and 2 loafs of bread yet nobody cared to write about that exra ordinary even out side the bible. Its no lie that the first book of the gospel that was written is Mark and that was written about 40 years after all the said incidents. Just look at the gospels carefully and tell me if the writers ever knew each other or witnessed any of the things that they were writting about. Example when was Jesus crucified.

9:00 a.m. -- “It was the third hour when they crucified him.” mark (15:25)

12:00 p.m. -- Jesus was not crucified until after the sixth hour! john(19:14-15)

Eye witness wouldn't have made this mistakes would they?

dalaman:
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, [fn] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

Here it is for you. Jesus also said that he is the way the truth and the life and that no Man can come to the Father except through him.

What is this? I said show me a place where Jesus himself said he came to save the whole world(Jews and gentiles) and you are showing me what unknown writers wrote or are saying about him. The passage you reffered to are not the words of Jesus but the words of the writer John who wrote about Jesus 70 or more years after Jesus was said to have died.
Here is Jesus in his own words for those of you that believe in the bible.

Mat 15:24 He answered, "I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel."
Mat 15:26 He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

As for Jesus saying that he was the way the truth and the life, That message still remains for the Jews only. The Christain founders(Gentiles) said that Jesus was sent to the whole world when there is no where in the bible where Jesus said it himself if there is then go ahead and show me.

--Matthew 19:28

Image123:
LAck of understanding bindex,lack

Show me one place in the bible where Jesus said that he was sent to save the whole world(Jews and Gentiles).

The bible says that Jesus alread knew that Judas Iscariot was going to betray him, but here is the problem.

Mat 19:27 Peter answered him, "We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?"

Mat 19:28 Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
--Matthew 19:28

All 12 disciples are to sit on thrones in heaven judging the twelve tribes of Israel? Including Judas Iscariot, who Jesus already knows will later betray him for 30 pieces of silver and then hang himself? there are two very contradictory account of his(Judas Iscariot) death in the bible Acts 1:18 gives a very different account of the death of Judas than what is written in Matthew 27:3-10. In Acts, it says he fell headlong into the field he bought with the silver he had been paid for betraying Jesus, and his body exploded, guts flying everywhere. In Matthew we read that he tried to return the silver to the chief priests, then threw the silver down when they refused it, then went and hanged himself, and after all this the chief priests decided to use the silver to buy the field.

Is Judas Iscariot still going to be amongst the 12 disciples that sit on the throne when Jesus is judging the 12 tribes of Israel in heaven after betraying Jesus?

OLAADEGBU:
I know that this is what you guys specialise at doing, spoiling and destroying any good invention.  Satan has not been able to create anything good, he has always been destroying what has been created for good.

I asked you to show me how the Jacob genetic engineereing model owrks and win a million. Pray to the bibleGod and ask him to help you.What are the bibleGod's good invention? The Jacod genetic engineering model or what? Tell me what Satan has destroyed in the bible? The only person that is very good at destroying and giving orders for people to destroy themselves and others is the bibleGod. Read the books of deuteronomy, judges, 1 and 2 samuel, 1and 2 kings and tell me who has caused more destruction in the bible between the bibleGod and satan.

Jesus said again to those who have been deceived that "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.  he was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.  When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of  it."  Satan has sold the lies of evolution and big bang theories to his children who have swallowed it hook, line and sinker and since they have refused to believe the truth, God has given them over to a reprobate mind because they did not like to retain God in their knowledge

The biggest murderer in the bible is the bibleGod, the devil killed only about 4 or 5 people through out the bible while the bibleGod killed and commaned his "chosen people" to kill millions. Who now is the murderer? As for the devil being the father of lies I will like you to know that the bible God is the first person to tell a lie in the bible.

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"

Gen 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,

Gen 3:3 but[b] God did say[/b], 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' " (some bible versions say they die immediately)

Gen 3:4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.

Gen 3:5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
Gen 3:6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Now who is the father of lies here? The bibleGod or his arch enemy satan? The bibleGod lied to Adam and Eve that they will die if they eat of the fruit but satan told them the truth which is that they will only be like the bibleGod and know good and evil. The bible went ahead and said that Adam lived up to about 930 years( what a load of bull). So there you have it the first person to tell a lie in the bible is the bibleGod instead of telling Adam and Eve that they will become like him and know the difference between good and evil he lied to them that they will die to keep them from eating the fruit.

Nigerians are taught by religion and superstition to fear too many things. Witches, angels, the Devil or Satan, thunder, lightning, nocturnal birds are all objects that generate fear. Its so funny.

What is happening?

Kobojunkie:
I always wondered about that. There are no posters on streets asking the public for help to identify these persons but somehow, someway the police manages to arrest persons in these cases. You always wonder if they ever caught the right people or just took persons off the streets so they can close the case or something.

I remember our tailor getting arrested back some years ago. Out of the blues, the police appeared and accused him and his apprentices of armed robbery. Luckily for the guy, his father was a well respected man in the area and so the police let him go. Only some of the apprentices where taken in. We may never really know the truth on that one case. If you ask me, I would swear the man is not the kind to get involved in such.

This is not new in Nigeria, its very common. There are so many innocent people languishing in Nigerian jail for crimes they never committed.

redsun:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7863879.stm

I saw it coming,uk workers on strike against foreign workers taking up their jobs.People wants to secure what belongs them in time of dire needs,it will some become violent and underground,attacking foreigners blaming them for their woes.

There is a natural mystic blowing through the world,it is a time of reality,cutting out the excesses and maximizing the ever diminishing world resources for the good of all, Man is like destroying himself with greed,selfishness and vanity.

If african nations don't buckle up now,people will perish.

Very very true. The time has come for we Africans to reason and do what is right.

How will the CCTV identify the robbers? do they have a database with people's Id stored in it?

The leaders of Nigeria do not believe in Nigeria so why should the people believe in it when most of the people that set up policies that affect every body and the way the country is suppose to move clearly do not believe in the country? All their children are studying abroad, when they fall sick they go abroad for treatment, shopping etc. I don't believe in Nigeria as it presently is.

The RNC needs to restructure itself and find ways of bringing in new demographics into the party, I was watching CNN and Paul Begala said that there are only about 10 or 11 southern states that are fully red (over 57%) in the unions as it stands now from a gallop poll released last week.

muhsin:
Innalillahi wa inna ilaihi raaji'uun![size=15pt][/size]

What is this? Innalillahi these slaves of Allah don't really know what is happening. Instead of accepting that the Islamic doctrine is what is responsible for the actions of hamas this deluded slave of Allah is here spewing Arabic lines that make absolute no sense.

By the way did the bibleGod really create all animals as vegetarians? Lions, tigers, hyenas, polar bears,

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.

At last, God was ready to introduce life into creation.  He filled the ocean, sky, and land.  Despite their differences, living things share many things in common – chemicals, genetic codes, and cell structures – to help them coexist in the same world.  Such design shows the hand of a wise Designer.

There is nothing like genetic code in the bible if the writers knew about genetics they wouldn't have written about the outlandish Jacobs genetic engineering model.

God placed the sun at just the right distance from earth to keep our planet warm.  He set a moon in earth’s orbit with the right mass and distance for tides to cleanse the seas.  As the earth spins, the sun and stars rise with clockwork precision, marking the passage of time for living things.

The same bible erroneously said that the earth is the center of the universe. Just just goes to show you that the people that wrote it have no knowledge of science at all.

God then filled the land with billions of energy factories, known as plants.  From the first day of their existence, these plants were fully functional.  In each plant hundreds of chemical processes ran in perfect symphony, harnessing the sun’s energy to provide food for living things

When did the bibleGod create the plants? was it on the 3rd day of creation or after creation(in the 2nd version of the creation story). The writers seem to be confused about it all.

ike plants, animals were divided into “kinds” that can generate incredible variety.  For example, the ancestors of the camel kind produced offspring as diverse as Ilamas, alpacas, and one-humped and two humped camels.

Did the bible God really create animals? Do the writers of the bible know anything about other animals that were not found in their region? do you believe that the bibleGod really created lions and made them to feed on defenseless animals like the antelope? why must an antelope suffer excruciating pains in the jaws of a lion? what kind of merciful God will create such a system or behavior of eating? Why must an eagle feed on an innocent mice? why must a baby buffalo suffer excruciating pain in the mouth of a tiger? what kind of merciful God will create animals that must kill other animals before they eat? what must a snake kill and eat its food alive, did the bibleGod create that system or eating habit too? did the bibleGod really create hawks to feed in defenseless chicks? is a bears like better than that of a fish? why must a bear kill a fish and eat it alive? did the bibleGod really create all animals to live and feed like that? remember he gave all animals green plants as meat in genesis.

God capped off this week by making humans in His likeness and giving us dominion over the earth.  By the end, a beautiful tapestry of forms, colours, sounds and tastes filled the earth.  C[b]ommunities lived in harmony, and all was “very good”.[/b]  The set was set for God’s most glorious work

Like the old testament communities that were promised other peoples land by the bibleGod right? thats  if you take away all the slavery and unprovoked wars that the bibleGod urged his "chosen people" to fight against other nations because they refuse to worship him. Yeah that must be very good to a God that accepts human sacrifice, tells people to stone to death somebody for picking stone on a sabbath, and kills people just because they looked into a man made wooden ark that he was hiding inside. By the way what is a God that is supposed to be everywhere doing inside a man made ark?

OLAADEGBU:
Creationists Develop Models Like these . . .

Starting with the facts of God’s Word and world, creation scientists, that are Christians fashion models to know God and see His truth.

In the beginning, the everlasting God spoke both time and the universe into existence. At first, the earth was without form and unfilled. Over three days, God gave form to the sky, sea, and land. Then, on the following three days, God filled these voids with abundant reminders of His glory.

Included in the original material of creation was water, out of which God created the earth. This unique planet had just the right mix of chemicals and the right mass to hold a life-sustaining atmosphere.

God then raised a landmass, similar to Rodinia. As the water rushed off the just-created continent, they scoured the surface and dumped trillions of tons of dirt at the edges of the continent, up to thirty miles deep.

God created all sorts of bacteria to convert chemicals into useable forms and make them available to plants and animals. He stationed these bacteria in every corner of the globe, from the deepest parts of the crust to the sea and sky.

God then filled the land with billions of energy factories, known as plants. From the first day of their existence, these plants were fully functional. In each plant hundreds of chemical processes ran in perfect symphony, harnessing the sun’s energy to provide food for living things.

A bewildering variety of plants made up niches all over the earth. In the DNA of each “kind” of plant was a rich storehouse of instructions to produce a variety of offspring. For example, within the first grasses was information to produce wheat, rye, rice, bamboo and fescue. By God’s command, the earth was bursting with ripe fruit and grains, ready to satisfy the needs of living things.

On day Four, God began the process of “filling” the universe. By His command a vast variety of astronomical objects burst into being, including comets, moons, planets and stars. Each object was unique, beautiful and fully functional.

God placed the sun at just the right distance from earth to keep our planet warm. He set a moon in earth’s orbit with the right mass and distance for tides to cleanse the seas. As the earth spins, the sun and stars rise with clockwork precision, marking the passage of time for living things.

At last, God was ready to introduce life into creation. He filled the ocean, sky, and land. Despite their differences, living things share many things in common – chemicals, genetic codes, and cell structures – to help them coexist in the same world. Such design shows the hand of a wise Designer.

Like plants, animals were divided into “kinds” that can generate incredible variety. For example, the ancestors of the camel kind produced offspring as diverse as Ilamas, alpacas, and one-humped and two humped camels.

No living thing was alone. God placed them all into an astonishing array of fully functional communities, probably more diverse, beautiful and integrated than anything we see today. Whether T. rex tromping through a cycad forest or trilobites swimming in shallow seas, each exotic environment reminds us how much living things depend on each other-and the Creator.

God capped off this week by making humans in His likeness and giving us dominion over the earth. By the end, a beautiful tapestry of forms, colours, sounds and tastes filled the earth. Communities lived in harmony, and all was “very good”. The set was set for God’s most glorious work.

Dr. Andrew Snelling holds a PhD in geology from the University of Sydney and has worked as a consultant research geologist to organizations in both Australia and the U.S. Author of numerous scientific articles.

This is not what the two creation stories in genesis say at all but the writers own point of view.

isbelhma:
jama'ar nairaland,don allah ku fito mani da hauwa, ko tayi yaji da mutanen nairaland ne?

amma ina suspecting bindex, enemy of progress ne ya hanata fitowa,

wato yana son yaasa asunder asakaninmu,
to bai isaba,don hauwa belongs to me not dayo or bindex,
be warned, hauwa bata harka da dandaba(area boy) kawai.[i][/i]

sisijinx,yaya kike yau.
wetin dey happen now.

Kia mai gida, Hauwa bata sonka, ne take so, sai ka yi a hankali.

saha:
Ama ai dama an ce hausawa akwai son soyayya,idan za ayi soyayyar da tsari ai ba matsala,hauka dai ake gudu.

Soyayya a bin yi ce, sabo da haka kowa sai ya samu mai son sa ko mai son ta.

This looks a bit fishy to me but there is nothing the slaves of Allah can not do.

dalaman:
Personally, I find the following from the above mentioned website quite difficult to believe:

Amongst the most basic missions that the Messiah will accomplish during his lifetime: 
(1)Oversee the rebuilding of Jerusalem, including the Third Temple, in the event that it has not yet been rebuilt.
(2)Gather the Jewish people from all over the world and bring them home to the Land of Israel.
(3)Influence every individual of every nation to abandon and be ashamed of their former beliefs (or non-beliefs) and acknowledge and serve only the One True God of Israel.
(3)Bring about global peace throughout the world.

These criteria are not mentioned in the old testament?

Are you really doubting the Jewish description of their messiah? you should dig deeper because these beliefs are backed up by the Hebrew bible (Tanakh) and later further explored and explained in the Talmud and other texts. The Christian founders copied all of their stories(OT) from the Tanakh. So which is telling the truth? The original Hebrew bible (Tanakh) or the highly edited book that was copied from the Tanakh to make a different story and a different God (Christain bible)?

The point I am trying to make in my original post is that all these gentile Christians around the world have got it seriously wrong by thinking Jesus was preaching to them. He wasn't. He was preaching to his own people, the Jews whom he directed to continue following OT Mosaic Law in every detail (works, not faith).
Then along comes Paul, who never met Jesus, except in a miraculous vision (he claims), and turns Jesus teachings around, preaching to the Gentiles and telling them they can disregard OT Law.
It's almost funny. The vast majority of Jews rejected Jesus' claims to be the Messiah, and still reject him to this day, (Judaisms is still around to the embarrassment of so many Christians they still have their religious books to support their claims) while the Gentiles whom Jesus regarded as "dogs" and "pigs" fill Christian church pews numbering almost about 2 billion

My name is Bindex and am an atheist, anything for me?

dalaman:
Matt: 16:19 "What you bind on Earth will be bound in Heaven"

this suggests that the Church which Jesus established can make rules(?) / pronouncements(?) and God will accept them (or at least the Church will be protected from making errors in those pronouncements).


John: 16:12 "I've got lots more to say, too much for you to bear now now, but when the spirit of truth comes he will guide you into all truth"

- indicates that there's more information and learning to come after Jesus (discernible from the Holy Spirit)

So these two passages would allow Paul and Peter or others of the Church leaders to introduce new rules (if accepted by the Church).

This clearly isn't very helpful, it sounds like a recipe for trouble. There wouldn't be thousands of opposing, mutually exclusive sects of Christianity if it were a simple matter to discern the Holy Spirit. (or if it actually existed to be discerned). One person may "discern the Holy Spirit" working through the Pope, and another through prophet TB Joshua, or Pastor Chris Oyahkilome, or Pastor Adeboye. This is not a modern development, the problem of competing claims of authority goes right back to the earliest days of Christianity. In the New Testament, we sometimes see the gospels changing little details to elevate one apostle above another. For example, John makes a point of telling people that on Easter morning John "ran faster than Peter" and beat him to the tomb, and was the first to comprehend that Jesus was risen [John 20:3-8], while Peter was apparently standing there in confusion. John attacks Thomas more directly, with the "doubting Thomas" story that has Thomas being rebuked by Jesus. The gospel of Thomas, on the other hand, elevates Thomas as the special chosen one, whom Jesus shares secret knowledge with. We can imagine that at the time they were written there were groups of "Thomas Christians" and "John Christians," and each developed their own favorite gospel that made their leader the hero of the story.

Jesus himself changed, updated or clarified some of the old rules eg a writ of divorce had been allowed by Moses but Jesus said 'what God has joined together let no man put asunder'. So we know that rules can change or be more clearly defined over time

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You cite a case where Jesus seems to be favoring if anything a stricter interpretation of the Mosaic Law. And there's another famous passage where he says he has not come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it, and not "one jot or tittle" of the Law shall be changed.

Yet it's one of Paul's major themes that the Law is inadequate and temporary, it has been superseded, it is not binding upon Christians. At times he's quite hostile to the Law and those who follow it. From his own letters, we know these "Judaizers" included Peter and James. We still have the Letter of James (probably written by a later follower of James) which takes a very different view of the Law, and disagrees with Paul's theology on many points (i.e. faith alone vs. faith and works)

Regarding Jesus excluding non Jews, his mission was with Jews only. The Christians (converted Jews) mission then became with/for the whole world. No contradiction there. Jesus was 'training the trainers'.

The problem is that "the trainers" immediately fell out with each other. Those who took Christianity "to the world" developed a different set of rules from the original followers of Jesus who remained Jews. Christianity today is the product of the "trainers" who won the battle, and retrospectively projected their own views onto Jesus Christ. There's really a good case for just calling it "Paulianity."

dalaman:
Is it possible that they misunderstood the deeper spiritual intentions that God inspired the writers to write? Clearly some writers envisioned something far greater than simply an eternal earthly kingdom.

Its a well known fact that Christians always read the OT differently than the way the Jews read their Tanakh. Christains see only what they want to see.  I also think that the interpretation of many texts were clearly not messianic in nature, had never been interpreted that way, until the new testament writers came along and were trying to "fit" Jesus into the old testament.  So they took texts, decided that they could twist them a bit to make it look like a Jesus prophecy and ohh viola, they now came up with a story and a a new prophecy. The problem is, they didn't use the original Hebrew bible, they used a Greek one that had some interpretation problems of its own or they only quoted part of the text and left off the rest that would have contradicted their creation of a God.

Another interesting issue related to "Jesus VS Paul" is that the Jesus of the canonical gospels appears not to have known that Paul was coming (that is if we are to go by his sayings):

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

--Matthew 19:28

That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

--Luke 22:30

Here we have Jesus still admitting that he was sent ONLY to the Jews(or lost tribe of Isreal) he makes no mention of the gentiles when he was talking about Judgement in his heavenly kingdom, he only referred to the 12 tribes of Israel not the gentiles or what the other bible writers like John said in 3:16 says of him or God. It's clear that the gospels were written by different men, with different agendas, they didn't do a very good job of comparing notes to keep their stories consistent with one another at all. Even the catholic bishops at the council at Nicea didn't do a good job either. It wasn't there fault any way because the bible was not meant for everybody to have a copy. Initailly it was only the priest and the religious leaders that hads copies before Martin Luther came and ruined the whole plan.

If you look at the above verses you will see Jesus was predicting, that even in his future Kingdom, his Twelve Disciples (not to mention the Twelve Tribes of Israel) will remain central to his movement.  There is no indication here, or anywhere else in the canonical gospels, that Jesus would appoint some other guy to completely overshadow all 12 Disciples put together, and himself as well, in terms of amount of teachings preserved.  Apart from James and Peter, the Twelve vanish entirely from Christian scriptures at the end of the canonical gospels and the first bit of Acts.  There are various apocrpyical and pseudoepigraphal tales about them that emerged later, but even the RCC did not see them as worthy of canonization.

If you were to read the canonical gospels without being aware of Paul's epistles, you would have no indication that Jesus intended to give up on his own organization within a couple decades or so, and appoint another guy to come along and replace it wholesale.  The silence goes both ways: Paul appears to know close to nothing about an earthly Jesus.  His writings know nothing of Joseph or Mary or Doubting Thomas or Jesus' healing ministry on Earth or his teaching to the Jews.  In the Book of Romans, Paul asserts that the Jews will hear of Jesus through preachers like himself and those he sends.  Apparently, he knows nothing of the huge crowds of Jews that the gospels says followed Jesus wherever he went, witnessed his miracles, and heard his teachings from his own mouth.

Even when condemning the Jews for rejecting his gospel, Paul neglects to condemn them for having rejected Jesus in person.  When arguing for the resurrection of the dead, he neglects to mention that Jesus performed resurrections.  Paul frequently speaks of Jesus as being revealed "in the Scriptures" and by "appearing" to people such as himself (i.e. in visions), as opposed to being revealed historically in a physical life walking around on Earth.  Paul and the Epistle writers know nothing of any holy sites, such as the Manger, or the places Jesus stayed or taught, or Calvary, or the Empty Tomb.1 

Aside from heroic Christian efforts to retcon the whole thing, it is clear that the "Jesus movement" portrayed in the canonical gospels (not to mention the Christianities of the gospels the RCC stamped out) is for all practical intents and purposes a separate religion from Pauline Christianity.

Mad_Max:
I think one should find out more. Spiritual things shouldn't necessarily be coloured with religous overtones.

All spiritual things are heavily covered with religious undertones. Its impossible to seperate the two IMO.

dalaman:
Please provide scripture to back up those statements in bold.

As I aforementioned Jews from their reading of the Torah, expected the Messiah to be a mortal man (not divine) and a great earthly leader who would lead the Jews back to the Holy Land, establish a powerful kingdom, rebuild the temple, and fulfill many other specific qualities that Jesus did not fulfill. Many of the supposed prophecies that Christian writers claimed to be predicting Jesus (i.e. being born of a virgin, etc.) are not and were never read by Jews as Messianic prophecies, they were referring to events in their own time. Early Christians cherry-picked through the Jewish scriptures to find details that allegedly fit Jesus, AND/OR invented or added details to Jesus' biography to fit passages in those scriptures.

Here are two pages that examine this in more detail, with many scriptural citations:

http://www.angelfire.com/ri2/gideonbernstein/

http://www.messiahtruth.com/response.html

And even if it was there are a few problems:
1. Luke and Matthew do not agree in genealogies
2.The bloodline passes through a cursed king (Jeconiah). That is, no offspring of that king is to ever sit on the throne.
3.If Luke's genealogy is through Mary (many apologists use this one), it is not valid for kingship
4. Luke's bloodline does not pass through Solomon which is a requirement

Paul quickly took care of this knowing very well that Jesus was not the Messiah that was talked about in the Jewish scriptures.

1Ti 1:3 As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines,
1Ti 1:4 nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God[b] which is by faith[/b].

Jews have been debating the meaning of passages for over 3000 years.  If it was possible that passages meant something else, I am sure it would be discussed.  Jesus was doing just that, but we don't have him stating that Zechariah or Isaiah meant himself. Jesus implied that he was the messiah, but remember, in Judaism that is not a deity, just an anointed king.  It seems he wanted to be a ruler of Israel, not its God.  Paul, on the other hand, wanted Jesus to be God.

Mad_Max:
You know one of the reasons I suspect there's something out there? Human nature itself. We're so corrupt, and there's no real good to be found in us. Anarchy is the natural state of man,in that it allows the beast within him free ad true expression.Why else are war and conflict the background to horrific,inhumane acts?History is written in blood, in tears,in darkness. Civilization would tame the beast,leaving it some masquerade to hide behind, but can you count how many times the true nature of things has stipped away that frail pretext? How may evil men go free, who have chosen to indulge their vilest instincts? A man tears other men from their families, kills children, rapes wives,murders brothers. The news are filled with the base things civilised man to do each other. Isn't there something in us that demands these men render account for their actions? If we think men should give account of themselves,why should God,if indeed he exists and issued men the free will that is so evident,not demand accountability from us? Is our inherent sense of justice perhaps part of the 'image of God'? Or whatever it is that exists and is confronted in those ten-scale reality spirit planes?

If we are to go by the writings of the bible or the koran we will see that any time God kills men, give orders that men should be killed, tell men to rape and enslave each other, scarifice their children unto him he is God and he is good but any time man does it, he is bad. Even when in the bible it is written that God created men in his own likness, are men not just displaying that likeness of God? The koran outrightly says men are the slaves of God and he can do to them what ever he want to do with them so that is a bit different.

The Nigerian police have killed Nigerian because of 50 naira and no body protested. There are dead bodies on some streets here in Nigeria, no body has ever protested that.Armed robber kill with impunity in broad day light, yet no body has ever protested. Moslems kill Christains in Nigeria because a Danish cartoonist decided to ridicule the prophet of Islam or because of no provocation at all , nobody has ever protested. Christain pastors block major high ways with their crusades, wasting man hours and delaying journeys no body is yet to come out and protest. The government is spending billions buying generators for their parastatals and various departments leaving the poor masses in darkness, no body has ever protested. The government sometimes leave people for months without paying them their monthly wages, nobody has ever ran to the streets and protested.The rate of armed robbery way is too high in the country and nobody is yet to protest. Yet you want Nigerians to protest the death of their fellow wahala brother in Ukraine? Show me a Nigerian killed by a redneck in Ukraine and I will show you one that was killed by the police here in Nigeria because he refused to offer a bribe.

dalaman:
@ poster

Are you stating that Paul's preaching is different from Jesus'? And not just style but substance?
Why is it then that Jesus Himself appears to Saul and chooses him to be a vessel to the gentiles? Acts 9:4-6, 11-12, 15?
This is confirmed later in Acts, 22:21.

I am stating that there is a possibility that Paul was a Roman agent and possibly remained one. That his conversion may have never taken place.  Paul never told his own story of his epiphany in his own Epistles, Luke(or who ever) describes it in Acts (in 3 contradictory versions). If Paul truly did become a Jesus freak, he radically changed what Jesus and his disciples were preaching, that he changed and/or reinterpreted Jesus' teaching to not only accommodate Romans but to be acceptable to Romans.  Jesus preached a philosophy that was threatening to the Romans (he even seems to be an anti-Roman Zealot).  If you separate out Paul's teachings from the rest of the disciples, it presents a very different Christianity than what we have with Paul's theology included.  If I was going to change Christianity to be more acceptable to Romans, it is quite possible that I would have a "vision" and change many of the theology points to make it more palatable to my Roman countrymen.

It seems funny to me that when ever Jews mention contradictions in the bible and Jesus, most Christians start to explain the parts about 7,000 vs 70,000 men in some chapter.  When the Jews then explain "no, the contradictions of theology between Jesus and Paul or the failure to fulfill the Jewish prophecies of the OT, most are truly stumped. When I was a Christian I like most Christians think Jews rejected Jesus because they are too blind to see that he was the savior (or some comment along those lines). Until I meet my Jewish friend in Malmo(Sweden) who gave me the JP translation of the Jewish bible(Which most of the Christain OT text were copied) to read. I found out that most Jews rejected Jesus because he wasn't the messiah as their God promised.Jews, from their reading of the Torah, expected the Messiah to be a mortal man (not divine) and a great earthly leader who would lead the Jews back to the Holy Land, establish a powerful kingdom, rebuild the temple, and fulfill many other specific qualities that Jesus did not fulfill.  He didn't do what the messiah was supposed to do as stated by their God himself and he sure as heck wasn't prophesied in the OT without mistranslating/misinterpreting the OT by Christains founders (Romans). Judaism is alive and breathing to the embarrassment of Christians everywhere even though some early European Christians advocated their extermination in secret.  Most Jews know full well what the messiah is and what the requirements are, few Christians are aware of them, nor how Jesus didn't live up to them.  If Jesus was an actual person (debatable at best), I really think he was just trying to make changes to Judaism's practice and trying to drive out the Romans. I am not sure he was really trying to start a new faith with himself as deity. My Jewish friend told that Jesus might be more of a Chassidic Jew than a Christian God.