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Eating human dung is nothing compared to the racism, tribalism, death and destruction that was espoused by the bibleGod of the old testament.

duduspace:
Besides, I have one big problem with his final conclusion on what evil is because[b] according to him Evil is the absence or God [/b] but we are also told that God is omnipresent is there anyway to reconcile the two?

How can evil be the absence of God when the bibleGod said he created evil?

zauren nan ma yanzu ta koma zauren soyaiya da maganganun hauka. to jama'a sai ku chi gaba da hauka. mu na gehfeh muna ta shan dariya.

Kobojunkie:
Don't even get me started on these men and their "ACCOMPLISHMENTS". That was the same arguement that was used almost 2 years ago on why Yar adua was the most qualified for the job of president. I was told he improved the health system. My Mama come go naija, go north come back. I come ask am. She say wetin dem improve? People still dey there with flies all over and most of the places, them just take new paint wash them but no improvement and same old nonsense. Roflmao!!! She said as soon as she landed, she just felt to turn back immediately. It was just unbearable for her as she had expected something different.

All their "ACCOMPLISHMENTS" are only on the pages of news papers.

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=225454.msg3397607#msg3397607 date=1233180221]As long as you're being truthful and respectful, I have no problem with it. And you don't make claims that you can't back up. We make claims and you guys ask us to back it up, but you also make claims that you don't back up. You still can't prove that God doesn't exist, but u guys say it as if it's a fact. I call that hypocrisy. You have to leave all that hypocritic stuff behind, I am willing to do the same.

But if you're ready we can start with Genesis 1. When you're ready.[/quote]Just because someone believes something to be accurate doesn't mean that it is.  Herodotus believed that there were gold digging ants the size of dogs in northern India.  Some person believed that a guy called Jesus was raised from the dead.  Both of those stories are comparable, sure- patently ridiculous, and rejected as "historically accurate" stories (historians who are Christian may accept the Jesus story outside of their study, though).  But the Bible as a whole is not comparable to Herodotus as a whole.  Many elements of Herodotus are externally verifiable (i.e., there's other evidence not connected with Herodotus which tells us the same stuff that Herodotus tells us).  The only stuff that's externally verifiable in the bible constitutes common knowledge in the Hellenistic/ Roman world at the time (or the periods in which the old testament was written). I say that there is no God/Gods because I can't see any and there is no evidence to show that any exist besides the fact that there have always been so many Gods throughout history. Apart from books written by men and words of men that are used to descibe the Gods what evidence do you have to show that your God is more real that the other Gods out there? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence they say.

Now to genesis do you realize that there are two different accounts of creation in genesis 1 and 2?
Did the bibleGod really create all the animals as vegeterians?

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.

JeSoul:
Oga Bindex I agree 99% with your statement above.
The bible teaches to reject any teaching or philosophy that contradicts and denies the Lordship of Jesus and the character of God as taught in the bible. It doesn't teach to study the bible alone. There are many non-christian philosophers that have lived that have taught and speculated things consistent with the scriptures, and even today.

So it doesn't necessarily mean "not in the bible = reject it"

All religions cannot be right can they? all philosophers cannot be correct about their world view can they? you will accept one teaching and reject another.
And we come right back to the thing I keep harping on: Faith.
Faith that the bible and Jesus is real and confirmation from personal experiences and internal assurances from ones heart and spirit. Now like I said before I cannot prove to you or anyone 'my' faith is the right one, the quest for the knowledge of God is a personal one, and can only be answered personally.

If all religious people were like you then we would'nt be having a lot of problems in the world. The problem I have is when so many people around just look at you and decide to hate you just because you disbelieve in something they themselves espouse as facts but can not proof. Its funny because they only possess little or no understanding about that which they strongly espouse.

Looklike2 , you better be careful, who you call a goat, See what I said 2 days ago and one of the governor have already die. and I am saying this is God punishment to the people who refuse to let our people go. and if you look at this situation very well. it looks like he was not the one who is suppose to go first, but God allow him first before the other.

I am saying it loud and clear let my people go so that they can serve him. When children of Isreal where in Egypt, God spoke and said that Pharaoh should let the children of isreal to go. Pharaohs refused, he said No. He made things difficult for the children of isreal . Then God put sickness into Pharaoh and Pharaoh still said, he would not let the children of Isreal to go.

Some among Isreal who Pharaoh promoted as governor, rep and business join against thier own people isreal. And they said they would rather prefer slavery to freedom. That they would prefer the children of isreal to remain in slavery so that they can make money.

And some who had married the children of Egypt also refused they said they would prefer slavery than freedom because they have tied themself with Egypt , so the whole of isreal must suffer for thier own personal decision. They ask Moses the land you want to take us to is a desert. And they curses Moses. But Moses refused and still said what God wanted. That Pharaoh should let the children of Isreal to go.



Next thing and the final one that God did he started to kill them( thier young one die and thier old), every first born). And for those people who have refuse to let the Yorubas to go God have started . With this first Governor. and some drop into my spirit, Umaru Yar Adua let the Yorubas go , so that may serve him. . I say it again let the Yorubas go , so that they can serve him.

Who is this one? you forgot to say that the same good you are busy promoting here hardened Pharoh's heart and ended up punishing him for hardeing his heart. The rest of your drivel is just too hilarious.

[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=224944.msg3397395#msg3397395 date=1233177787]Guy, take it easy because the man in question is the vicar of God. If he land curse for your head, na im be say your own don finish be that ooo. I no dey ooo.[/quote]Vicar of God(niara, dollars, euros or pounds)?  Why does his God keep telling him to lie to people? Remember his 300km journey on an empty tank or his ability to make a short man grow taller. This man is partly responsible for Nigerian being where it currently is with all the lies and scam he keep advocating on behalf of his God. Stupid Gods of men.

The day any of the Gods out there heals an amputee and restore the amputess limbs, that day I will convert to that religion and worship that God and make sure that he is known every where I go.

JeSoul:
Christianity does not encourage complacency and blind zombie-like belief. Infact as you read thru the NT we see so many instances were we're taught to study, search out, investigate and to use wisdom before believing anything. But you are right in that the vast majority of so-called converts never take the time to really understand what it is they're supposedly converting to.

The bible encourages Christains to search, study and investigate through the pages of the scripture alone. Remember when paul warned people not to believe philosophers and wise men who will tell christains lies and derail them from the faith?

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=225454.msg3397310#msg3397310 date=1233176474]well said m_nwankwo

The problem really arises when certain scientists try to make science the god. Or when atheists want to use science to refute God. as if science can refute God.

As per the religion. the problem there arises when people are unable to interpret properly what the said scriptures states. When I tell atheists the interpretations of Genesis and what the author is trying to say, they get angry because they see it's logical and then result to saying "you ppl want your scripture to be logical when it isn't, you're changing it"

How does one react to that? I just leave them alone, but they like trouble too much[/quote]Lady pls let me engage you and lets discuss genesis. I will listen to you with an open mind do you agree?

[quote author=m_nwankwo link=topic=225454.msg3397269#msg3397269 date=1233175525]Science however has conflict with religion expecially when religious teachings make pronouncment on how nature works and such pronouncements are later refuted by  multiple and atimes overwhelming scientific evidence. When religious teachings are contradicted by science, it is simply an evidence that the people who originally propounded such religious truths are not God and thus have limited awarenes of the past, the present and the future. [/quote]I thought those people that wrote all the stories in the holy books were inspired by the various Gods they are promoting? Will the Gods tell people to write things that are clearly wrong or not true? Example all men decended from Adam or that differences in languages began during the tower of bable story?

Martian:
lmfao, what kind of egomaniacal psycho would want people singing his praises endlessly? After you run through the 72 virgins, what's next? Will females get 72 virgins too?

Bindex, they won't listen

Females will get 72 stalions. The writers of the koran really did'nt think about the females when they wrote their book, any way according to Allah in the Koran most of the women will end up in hell so why bother about them.

The bibleGod decleard that he created evil go and read your bibles.

Martian:
@Bindex,
Im surprised you're still arguing with these people. They are LOST, just let it be. The first reply you had about the first language being the language of whatever culture promoting their gods should have ended this conversation. Now you have OLABOWALE and co. basking in raghead glory.

@Olabowale, YOU'RE A CRAZY WOMAN.

I am just having fun, I am presently in Jos(Plateau state) There is curfew in the town which begins by 7pm daily, nothing much to do after 7pm apart from listening to news, watch TV and come to nairaland and have some laughs.

Pastor AIO:
1)Assuming Adam didn't know everything, is it possible that he might have experienced something one day that would have left him 'lost for words'.  Or did he know absolutely every word for everything that he needed to express.

2) What is the word for Computer in the original language.  Arabic or Hebrew, this is an open question to whoever cares to answer, christian or muslim, or atheism.

3)  What is the Word for pollution in the original language, and for bacteria.

4) Is it not true that any language that does not evolve is a stupid and useless language.  Afterall human experiences are constantly evolving.  If all decent languages evolve then how can an original language remain extant?

Read your bible Adam named "all" the animals after Yaweh created them(I wonder why we still use different names for different animals if Adam named them all, I also wonder what name he originally called the koala, kangaroo or the seal in hebrew). The original name for computer in hebrew is   . Names are given to things after they have been discovered or created(animals, buildiings, cities) the idea that adam named all the animals after they were created by Jehovah or Allah is really beyound me. What did he originally call the virus or fungi? I wonder what he originally called the walross in hebrew any body with answers should pls put them forward.

Hassan Nasarallah, Ismael Haniya, Osama Bin Ladin etc are not anti west ?

RichyBlacK:
Exactly why I was disappointed in her appointment as Secretary of State; she's a hawk! Hopefully, the saner minds in Obama's inner circle (of which Hillary is an outsider) would prevail on Israel to stop its terrorist activities.

AND Ismael Haniya is a dove

funny thread.

What is this? Sick country, sick people and sick leaders.

Tasma:
Well most religions encourage you to believe first and then all things will be made clear. Problem is after the faith few "believers" are ready or willing to question or even investigate the history and basic tenets of their religions.

The words of Jehovah, Allah, Buddah, Yaweh etc are the final truth regardless of how outlandish they sound.Men can never understand God is always the outlandish excuse.

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@Olabowale can you show us where your prophet is in the bible? Delusion at its finest.

OLAADEGBU:
I thank the Lord for the testimonies and exposition of former Muslims on this forum, such as M4malik, shahan, Pilgrim.1 and other bible scholars who have enlightened us on what entails in Islam. Out of all the religions and philosophies that are practised here on earth, only four are practiced after personalities. Judaism, founded by Abraham, he died of old age and was buried; Buddism, founded by Buddah, he died of dysentry and was buried; Islam, by Mohammed, he died of fever and was buried; Christianity, by Jesus Christ, he died by crucifixion and was buried. The difference with other founders is that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, and is alive today and I have a living relationship with Him, He is alive, He is alive, He's alive and I'm forgiven, I'm free from the burden of sin and satan, heaven's gate is open wide and my name is written in the book of life, He's alive, Halleluyah!!! There is no other name under heaven given to men other than the name of Jesus.

How do you know that prophet Mohammed died and never rose up? according to the Koran he is presently living in Aljanah with his own share of the 72 virgins drinking wine endlessly and having sex, keep in mind that there are moslems who have said that some angels of Allah appeared to them on their death beds and took them to Aljanah(they have written books and made videos for all to see) where they went and saw the prohet Muhammed. I(and about 1.5 billion moslems) say that prophet Mohammed is alive in heaven, prove to me that its not true. There is no God but Allah and mohammed is is prophet I will also like you to go ahead and show how that statement is wrong.

The end time has always been here, even Jesus told the people around him that their generation will not pass before he comes(he even told some one in particular that he will see him decend from the sky in all his glory as the son of God) and we all know what happened to thats story. There have been "false prophets" since the time of paul in the bible. Instead of Africans(Nigerians) thinking of how they will improve their lives, live better and more fullfilling lives, we are busy waiting on imaginary Gods to put an end to the entire world as we know it or take us to imaginary heavens where we will either worship them forever by singing endless songs of worship or sleep with 72 virgins and drink wine endlessly(in the Koran it is written that there will be rivers of wine in Aljanah). What a load of hogwash.

bilms:
Arabic was the first language of humanity and first prophet Adam Allah Salaam use this Arabic language and first word he speak لااله الا الله La ilaha ill Allah the proof is here written on mountains.



NAME OF ALLAH لااله الا الله La ilaha ill Allah I FOUND ON MOUNTAINS SHADOW CLOSE TO MADINAH CITY SAUDI ARABIA !


I found Allah name close to Madinah towards North of city there are mountains and satellite picture proofing the Allah name have a look closely here is the Yahoo Maps web link.

I was looking Madinah and suddenly I just noticed.

Satellite Negative/Terrain Map view
http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=24.66541&l on=39.429511&zoom=11

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&h, ,-97.15369&sspn=41.82 6308,76.640625&ie=UTF 8&ll=24.654506,39.498 596&spn=0.916099,1.73 0347&t=p&z=10

لااله الا الله La ilaha ill Allah meaning THERE IS NO CREATOR ONLY ALLAH

Here is cursor on لااله
http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=24.842499& lon=39.300422&zoom=11

Here is cursor on الا الله
http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=24.757727& lon=39.392432&zoom=11

Subhan Allah.
Hop you can see.

Allah Sines always come at the final round and we will see more Sines soon and this is the final round before the Judgment day comes.

What is this?  Arabic was the first language of humanity according to the unknown writers of the koran or who? were all the lies and myths contained in the Koran peer- reviewed? What a load of hogwash.

olabowale:
It is Arabic. Proofs are many. But I will say that mount Arafat is so named, because thats where Adama nd his wife, hawa met, before they started having children. kaaba is the first house that they built as their focal direction and point in the worship of Allah. Both of these things are still there in Makka, today. The language spoken by Makkans is Arabic.

The language of the last Book revealed, which remain in the exact words, sentence, and tone, when it was revealed is Arabic. And Makka is the oldest land on earth. The first to emerge from under water, when earth was commanded to do so. The mouth piece of the earth is Makka. It is addressed as the mother of the villages. Today the whole world is a village. What a truth that Qur'aan spoke, then which is now happening in our time; global village is a known expression.

This is what happens when rational people allow religious dogma to destroy their brain cells.

[quote author=tonye-t link=topic=224739.msg3395932#msg3395932 date=1233158395]with all the supposedly intellectuals i thought we have in da house yet no one seems to be coming out with some reasonable answer at least with some links to help us with

well for moi i think when you read this link you will be educated and come back with something to tell the house

click here[/quote]Nice write up, the writer refuted another writer's(christain apologist) ludacrious claim that hebrew was the original language people spoke.

Origin of language

The origin of language (glottogony) is a topic that has attracted considerable speculation throughout human history. The use of language is one of the most conspicuous and diagnostic traits that distinguish Homo sapiens from other species. Unlike writing, spoken language leaves no concrete evidence of its nature or even its existence. Hence linguists have to resort to indirect methods in trying to decipher the origins of language.

Linguists agree that there are no existing primitive languages, and all modern human populations speak languages of comparable complexity. While existing languages differ in terms of the size of and subjects covered by their lexicons, all possess the grammar and syntax needed, and can invent, translate, or borrow the vocabulary necessary to express the full range of their speakers' concepts.[1][2] All humans possess similar linguistic abilities, and no child is born with a biological predisposition favoring any one language or type of language.[3]

Human language may have emerged by the transition to behavioral modernity some 164,000 years ago at the latest (Upper Paleolithic). A common assumption is that behavioral modernity and the emergence of language coincide and are dependent on one another, while others would push back the origin of language to some 200,000 years ago, the time of the appearance of archaic Homo sapiens (Middle Paleolithic), or even into the Lower Paleolithic, to some 500,000 years ago. This question significantly depends on the view taken of the communicative skills of Homo neanderthalensis. In either case, a lengthy stage of pre-language, intermediate between great ape language and fully developed human language, needs to be assumed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language

[quote author=seun* link=topic=224739.msg3393876#msg3393876 date=1233132827]bindex i use to think you were one heck of a good researcher, so why could this topic be posing a real challenge for you

are you stuned ?[/quote]I am not stunned, all the Gods seem to speak the language of the men that created them. The bibleGod never spoke yoruba did he? Same with Allah, Allah never spoke mandingo. He spoke the lanaguage of the men that created him.