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[quote author=Sisi_Kill]Because Nigerians don't use the F word?? https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/23.gif[/quote]Must you always do amebo everywhere?

Two attention seeking mofos!

Kola Boof is thrash, and has always been thrash.

Linda Ikeji is a scum!

#EnoughSaid

Nayah: Law is simple to understand dear, no FORCED intimate relation should be accepted, then you got your answer

How about the UNWRITTEN RULE that you're entitled to sex in marriage whenever you want it?

Marriage is a UNION, and your partner is your other half.. You own him/her indirectly.

That's why I said the topic is inconclusive, else, people are going to be prosecuted for the wrong reason.

PS, and I'm not an atheist .. I only believe in God, and my inborn Yoruba spirituality. Gathering and crowd mentality isn't my thing.

Nayah: Ok let's suppose...do you think it's better having shared and tender intimate relations with your half or forced because of the Holly Bible that a lot of people like mentionning when it comes to illustrate their statements?

Firstly, I'm not a bible thumper, and religion isn't my thing.

Secondly, I don't deal with morals when it comes to delicate situations like this. Moral is subjective, and when dealing with anything delicate, we have to deal with the law..

If the law gives you the right to demand sex from someone, anytime you feel like it, why then should it be denied?

N/B: I'm supporting rape of any form, I'm just arguing based on my interpretation of the law (playing the devil's advocate ).

Nayah: Nope marriage...and I repeat things have to come naturally otherwise this is no love anymore...think about it

Nah Nayah, it's your obligation as a wife to give your husband sex, and vice versa.

Relationship is where the 'naturally' thing can be upheld..

ijebabe: Men whose rights have been denied and then took actions into their own hands have not be praised, even in courts. There may be pleasure/satisfaction in street justice but not when its in the home and especially abuse.

You still don't get it, do you? You're talking about a scenario where the man 'agreed' that he actually raped the woman. How about if he denies it (which is what most people would do by the way), how can it be proven in a court of law?

I cannot speak for those who went into marriage with the sort of man that would be a perpetual burden to them, but what I am saying is rape is rape regardless of marital status and the reason its not treated as a crime is because the laws still have a long way to go in dealing with the nature and confines of marriage. A man who rapes his wife will not do it once but it will definitely repeat itself leading to violent abuse in the future (the courts don't mention this why? because its psychology but a fact). Which will then be the proof the woman needs to make an official complaint against the husband.
People who indulge in this should not use the pretext of law as an approval to their behaviour cos they are one more rape into becoming criminals. And over what?

How can you r.ape something that's 'rightfully' yours? It's a very difficult thing to prove..

Marriage is the UNION of a man and woman, to become ONE.. They became one in unison, the day they got married. Just as you can't be prosecuted for stealing something what rightfully belongs to you, without a proof that you actually stole it. Marital r.ape is also something that's very difficult to prove, period.. If you think your husband is molesting you, get out of the damn marriage, period..

Anything that can't be proven in the court of law should be thrown out of the window..

That's why the British system is the best! No hearsay, nor innuendos..

Can you prove he raped you? If NO, no case.

Nayah: Not all dear, "forced or compulsory" otherwise you don't marry, sorry with all due respect I think you're wrong about it.

How's it not forced when you MUST share your wealth with your wife when you get divorced?

And why do people get prenuptial agreements?

The 'forced' part is an unwritten rule, but we all know it's there..

You're talking about a relationship my dear, not marriage.

Nayah: Bittyend all I'm trying to say is that this could and should be punishable when someone became "violent" because of intimate relations...even thoug this is your husband or wife. Being marriyng means share, a natural share and not a compulsory or forced one, hope I clarify you

Yeah, I already made reference to the 'violent' with PROOFS part.

Marriage doesn't mean natural share, it's a compulsory or forced share, hence why people get prenuptial agreement before marriage.

Marriage itself has to be re-defined.

mimifonwon: these jobless fools.As an American Nigerian we learn integrity, we learn that we are accountable for our acts as young as grade school when you can be sent to detention for being bad.We learn not to use religion as a crutch, we learn that nothing comes easy and that you must work hard to achieve your dreams-especially the american dream, and also you must follow all societal rules or be imprisoned- and as our african parents tell us-they will not bail you out. So in my opinion i will rather raise my kids in america with its ethics and with african mentality and cultural values. See people with logs in their eyes trying to remove the tint in others.

Another i/diot.

onila: u dont smoke weed?

Weed is subjective!

^I don't understand your post..

[quote author=Soo_cool]@op
u ought to be afraid of ur dog!
Y is it dating humans? Anyways dogs are very good when it comes 2 sex so any of the gals will enjoy ur dog[/quote]*Yaws*

onila: u diss Nigerian girls and praise Nigerian girls another day
I understand Nigerian girls r like crack, u cant help but hate n love them

Omalicha, I have never smoked crack, so, I wouldn't know how it tastes.

But I know onila nma tastes like honey. *yummy*

onila: interesting

My omalicha nma, biko come here.

ijebabe: It may not be recognised in the court but a man who cannot make the difference between consentual sex and rape is deluded.

Can it be proven in a court of law?

The law is made up of humans and is a work in progress but that is no excuse to throw morals and common sense out the window.

Moral is subjective, but you can't deny a man his right.

If we left everything up to the law with no personal values and principles then you're lost.

You're contradicting yourself again. If we can't leave everything to the court of law, then why should marital ra.pe be a crime?

Personal values and principles are both relative albeit subjective as well, but you should have put that into consideration before giving the same guy the right to have sex with out whenever he feels like it.

That's more reason why marriage needs to be re-defined. I'm not a big fan of marriage, and the rights it gives to both parties involved. That's why I don't think I'll ever get married.

Nayah: Dear I didn't say this topic was about you, I'm trying to make you understand why I disagree with you, having sex without a consent it's simple to proove even though the wife rarely complain about that to the police station, when she says NO it means NO and it's available for guys people shouldn't be forced to do what they don't want to do.

Having sex without consent with anyone, is different from having sex without consent in a marriage because most times, the later can't proven UNLESS it's a continuous thing..

I wouldn't force my wife to have sex with me if she doesn't want to (that's if I ever get married anyway) but we can't just make everything an offence punishable by law, else many people will be jailed for the wrong reasons.

If women can make up lies about statutory rape to destroy certain people they don't like. What makes you think a lot of women won't make up lies just to get back at their husbands.?

ijebabe: Just because a woman is not in the mood it now means she doesn't like s[i]e[/i]x??
Eg: She says no and the husband tries coaxing her and she still refuses, then he becomes upset and agressive which in turn makes her angry. A heated exchange of words ensues with the huusband threatening her that he will get his way tonight whether she likes it or not and then does it. Pinning her down and muffling her protests and screams. Is that not rape??
I am aware sex is a given in a marriage but that does not mean a woman does not have the right to say NO.

How can you prove she wasn't in the mood in a court of law?

Argue against that, and stop posting innuendos.

Nayah: Religious can't always be an excuse when people want to, it caould happen you don't want to have intimate relations because you're not in the mood it can last maybe 3or 4 days so you can't wait for that long? come on...

Hey, PS the topic isn't about me, it's a discourse and I'm posting what I think about the topic.

Sex in a marriage is the moral right of both partners involved, and they both vowed to be together for better and for worse. I'm not a religious guy, but if you agreed both legally and religiously to uphold your rights (sex is one of them) in the marriage, how can you prove that the guy had sex with you without your consent?

kpolli: Nigerian girl anyday anytime

That was what I told him to do.

The stinking attitude of naija girls make them more attractive.

This clown is still stalking me.

Homoerotic killz.

And since sex is legally, religiously, and spiritually(lol) allowed in marriage; and ra.pe means the crime, committed by a man, of forcing another person to have sexual intercourse with him, esp. by the threat or use of violence. This topic is inconclusive!

If you don't like sex, go for a sexless marriage, or get a divorce.

This answers the question:

In the United Kingdom, such a category of rape was only recognized by a 1991 House of Lords decision known simply as R v R (1991 All ER 481). While most parties agreed with the House of Lords' motive in making the decision, there were many (for instance the writer Patricia Hirst in her Textbook on A-Level law)[citation needed] who were of the opinion that the decision involved post facto criminalization, since the House of Lords were imprisoning spouses for doing what was once, according to the law, their right.

The second problem arises on what can be called a procedural level. While the law in theory may hold no distinction between a spouse or any other person, in practice when the case comes to court there will be difficulties in proving that rape in fact took place. This is because in marriage, sexual relations are to be expected, and if the defense claims consent, then the evidential burden is a very difficult burden for the prosecution to discharge.

The bolded parts answered the question.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI]Only in a jungle like Nigeria would anyone assume that just because the "court" (which court?) sees no wrong in a case, means that there's nothing wrong. It's all about how the case is presented. There's a reason why they call lawyers liars.

In a jungle like Nigeria, it's okay for a man to forcefully perform sex on a woman without given consent, just because she's his wife. How does a wedding ring turn "No" to "Yes"? Why should it?

We're in the 21st century, all you simply need to do is Google "man raping wife" and you'll see a ton load of those cases you'll see that there "has been".[/quote]It goes both ways woman!

How about women who ask their husbands for sex all the time, when he's interested in the act.

Isn't that 'marital rape' if we go by your definition?

We've to define marriage, and define rape; and look the interpretation of both terms by the law.

It's inconclusive, hence, why most people don't get prosecuted for it.

In a marriage, how do you define consent, when marriage itself allows bleeping between the partners?

How can you proved it without physical assault, and when it isn't a continuous thing?

This marital rape bs is inconclusive depending on the interpretation of the law, and it will be stupid to jail someone for a crime that's inconclusive.

If you don't want to have sex in a marriage, stay unmarried, or get a divorce and move out of the house.

So, my darg told me to help him choose out of the two girls he's checking. He loves them both!

One is Nigerian: big t/its, no bum, graduate, and works in the city.. But can't cook, and her attitude stinks.

The other is South African: ridiculous body (bum and ti/ts are big as fvck ), still in uni, occasional smoker, and works as a care worker.. She's very respectful, and she's also a good cook..

They're both very pretty (I have met the both of them).


PS, help my darg out...

This thread stinks of ugly people.

America is Sodom and Gomorrah, just go to Vegas, San Francisco, Miami, LA, and ATL..

America is sodom and gomorrah, and hell on earth.

Nigeria is 100000000 times morally better than U.S.

Corruption in Nigeria is child's play when compared to America.

Do you guys know how much George Bush and Di.ck Cheney stole from America?? Nigeria would go bankrupt if the same amount of money was stolen from the country's coffers.

How much was missing in Iraq and Afghanistan? Billions!!

America thrives on bribery and corruption.

And don't even talk about the millions of people America has bombed off this planet in the last 15 years alone... America is the most morally corrupt country on this planet, no other country comes close.

yinkaGreen: Huh?

Do you miss me, yes or no?

yinkaGreen: Oh my God, I can carry last sometyms ehn! D guy is just a joke. Nw, hez admitting to not bin rich, *eyes rolling* Pathetism knows no bounds.

Come here my sweet potato.