₦airaland Forum

NOETHNICITY:
At least we know where Dangote is coming from, they should tell their own version.

Like I said even a four year will say it's a lie.

They don't need to say anything anymore because there's no more strike and they have be re-deployed.

FreeStuffsNG:
While the refinery management maintains that the sacking was part of a total re-organisation exercise, sources told PREMIUM TIMES that the real reason was sharing confidential information with outsiders.



https://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/825252-how-whatsapp-group-led-to-sacking-of-workers-at-dangote-refinery-sources.html

This is one of those of those half truths and half lies they are trying to ditch into people to swallow hard...

Probably this carrier of this message is on the payroll of Dangote doing his bidding.



If this is the case why don't Dangote come out clean and say it rather than hiding behind the word "restructuring" of company.....


Even a four year old will laugh this off....

AMINDA:
At this point, it's beginning to look like mockery. Tinubu said they have delivered on their promises while Akpabio is preaching endurance of pains and suffering.

They are saying the same thing but from two different perspectives.
These fellows are good with humor.

casdoruche:
When last did labour union fight a good fight.

Many people are languishing in various jobs

All of a sudden Labour union remembers Dangote

Let labour union fight the good fight

You now want a private entity to listen to you

When they fight as ASUU they leave out those in private universities
They leave out those in private institutions
When they fight for workers they ignore those in private sectors

Minimum wage is effective in govt jobs

The private worker still earns 30k 10k 15k and all.

Now all of a sudden Dangote refinery is now the place to fight

lol

Dangote should just open portal for employment for engineers and you will see the rate at which phd and profs will aim to get the jobs.

Nigerians want same treatment with Indians

But Nigerians have not been able to make ph and Warri work

I rather pay Indians more and get the job done

The same Phd and Professors who applied as drivers when he was looking for drivers in one of his companies!!!!!!!

Lts of jokes on your likes.
Please go ahead and employ even Palestinians.

franugo:
So when it comes to dangote, we should see the bigger picture? GTB sacked staff in August, nothing happened. Another bank also did same in September, nothing happened. Why is dangote's own an issue? I don't like people being laid off but it's not a crime.

Those who were sacked in the banks were they part of any Unions associated with bankers?

Don't come out to say what you have no idea of other than what you read on the chalkboard.


Laying people off is not a crime but there are procedures. That is why people don't agree to jungle justice when a thief is caught but many of your likes speaking for Dangote are acting out patterns of jungle justice.

phosky:
Islamic Cleric Warns Against DNA Tests for Paternity, Calls It Forbidden in Islam



https://eyesoflagos.com/islamic-cleric-warns-dna-tests-forbidden-paternity/[s][/s]

This one is hiding behind such masks knowing fully well the irresponsible behaviors of those who are of his religion and the atrocities they do to hide their indecency.

zenburster:
A spine-less governor with no independent judgment.

I suppose this is why his godfather chose him from among his many minions to be governor.

Typical behavior of Ijaw people.

Loud and boastful, but lacking action.

"Widda you, who goes you?" yet they control you like a child.

Even signed an agreement not to run for a second term.

Shior

And what tribe are you that's got a spine?

seunlayi:
https://punchng.com/fubara-sacks-commissioners-others/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR5AQiewj_02M9TfF5_ianmh0DfJ49VbzCBAJudl7oLHGNB8hSi7Umua02BQiQ_aem_mGFt1E8NgNmEh8KLmgMwIw

They were never commissioners or public officers/appointees if their appointments were not approved by the legitimate members of the RSHoA headed by the legitimate Speaker of the House.

I believe this is one of the reasons the HoA headed by the Speaker are shunnig Fubara and not attending any public function/activities with him.
Nevertheless, there's no law stipulating that they have to. The arms of government and governance are independent or seems to be as the case maybe.


I hope GOV. SIM employs heavenly wisdom in this new phase of come back in governance and limits his rhetorical patterns with these fellows.

mikeapollo:
It is a free world. Those who do not want to work in Dangote refinery can go and join Total, Shell and the likes.
It is not by force. Dangote has the right to reorganize and restructure his factory, including the right to hire and fire. He will pay adequate compensation according to the terms of the employment contract.

Please if Dangote does not want UNIONs, then let him start making plans to either fully importing the entirety of his crude for refining or he better start have his own mining company for crude oil and let him do as he wish and sell to foreigners.....
That way he is at liberty to sell to neighbouring countries.

Winnin009:
Lol. Na simple question I ask you.

Next you opt to go on a tangent and gaslight.

You know the answer and its exposes your folly, hence, the attempt to gaslight.


Shey they have been redeployed and Pengassan has won abi?

Are you sure it exposes mine or yours !!!!

Redeployment within the Dangote company is a general term and none knows where they will be put, but we do know that they would be put in areas where they are useful.
Remember, they will all be put in areas where they are needed.

The most important is that the redeployment doesn't affect their original take home packages
/salaries/wages when they were initially employed.

So kindly tell me, who is still the winner?

Winnin009:
What is the fully meaning of PENGASSAN.

It's obvious you don't know more than what's written on chalkboard and petty lies peddled about to cajole the gullible who have refused to think for themselves.

I don't have emotions to throw.

blamingthedevil:
https://x.com/Imranmuhdz/status/1973291851676340696

The statement reads: “The Honourable Minister of Labour informed the meeting that unionisation is a right of workers in accordance with the laws of Nigeria, and this right should be respected.



I hope Dangote will be given the CTC of this meeting so he respects it and stop all this dribbling.

Minjim:
Do the companies you mentioned have local refineries ? It's those conglomerate that are wedging proxy wars against Dangote because he dares to set up a local refinery to put an end to their importation scheme. Since the payslips had been made public why didn't you attach it to boister Ur argument?

Moreover, Dangote Refinery is nearly 5 years old but you want to compare it's payslip to companies with over 50 years operations.
If we don't support Dangote Refinery now those cabal begin PENGASSAN will overrun it and make it useless same way they made NNPCL

Maybe Dangote should start mining his own crude oil with indians and do as he likes with his refinery.

Winnin009:
Im glad you mentioned his other factories.

Do you think the staff in his other factories are treated poorly or that the staffs there don't belong to one union or the other?

So, what makes this particular one different?

You and I know... the oil cabals.

Understand that there are sides to this game that Dangote sees and we down here can't see. He's a multi industrialist that has navigated several waters.

One thing we do know for sure is that Nigerian unions fight for their bellies. Hope you know this pengassan only represents senior oil workers.

What category(cadre/positions) do you term as senior oil workers?

paxonel:
There is nothing like Indian managers.
Whoever they are, it is Aliko Dangote that empowered them to run his refinery the way he want it.

If PENGASSAN cannot comply to the company's rules, then they should find their way.
Afterall there are many oil companies. Dangote refinery is not the only

What are the company rules?
Does the company rules supercedes that of the Nigerian constitution and government?

Ruke1990:
Dangote himself mentioned this is the union charge at his refinery. Do you have half of the sense and know more about dangote refinery than dangote himself?

Why will I have half of Dangote's sense!?

Are you referring to the same person who said not long ago that Nigerian Engineers are better than the Indian engineers that he is using to supervise his job now !!!!!

Reference:
I have heard a lot of talk about the unions and how they played along with the death of the government owned refineries. This is absolutely false because they have been speaking publicly about the refinery question for decades. Just that the other two sides, the public and the government have not found the synergy to respond appropriately.

Just like the other notable unions like ASUU. Has this union not been talking and protesting and striking about the conditions of Nigerian universities and the state of higher education in general or the NMA and it's affiliates about the state of public health and healthcare facilities and healthcare practitioners in Nigeria for years now.

But whenever they do what is the result. Half the populace berates them, the other half makes excuses for central government resulting in half measures at addressing issues that have deep seated and fundamental origins. So government after government just whitewashes issues and moves on.

This is where the state of the oil industry has reached despite the unions who I clearly remember since the Kokori days have publicly complained that the refineries were not properly maintained and even then went ahead to accuse the then government of corruption in executing the various TAMs.

Nigerians only need to study their history and do their part in acting on the information these unions provide on the state of our public services.

The reaaon why such exists still is because gullibility like blood runs in the body of many.
Though they claim to be learned but there's actually no proof when one listens to their reasonings.


Imagine people saying its PENGASSUN that grounded the Nigerian refineries and made it obsolete...!!!

Ruke1990:
FG sells local crude to dangote at OPEC approved price. Dangote only gets 45% from FG, he sources 55% of the required crude from overseas at pays at international price. He was able to crash the price of crude oil from N1400 to slightly above N800. He is telling you that Nupeng, pengasson dues apart from FG NPA loading fee is part of why the petrol still costs that much. These unions have mostly importers competing against him and they charge tankers loading at his refinery N50,000 per tank. This fee is passed on to the petrol buyer. Even after dangote decides to buy trucks and handle the logistics freely by himself eliminating the cost of delivery, if unions are allowed to impose arbitrary charges, the petrol users won't see any changes in price.

Besides, N50,000 per loading tanker x 10,000 trucks loaded daily = N500, 000, 000 per day collected as union dues. Multiply that by 365 days of the year = N182, 500, 000, 000 as union dues from.petrol tank drivers in one year alone. This will be shared by less than 20 persons called exco

Wetin dey burst pengasson and nupeng head, na the potential dues from estimated 30,000 dangote workers. The figure is big and the potential revenue from their union dues collection can make anybody head burst. 30,000 x N20,000 monthly dues = N7,200,000,000 per year in dues from dangote refinery alone. All these monies to be shared by less than 20 persons called union exco. Searchight needs to be beamed on the finances of unions in Nigeria

Continuing telling fairy tales.

No be only 50k per truck them dey collect as dues. If you know anyone please let them show you proof of payment and to whose account?

Winnin009:
Lol. Erm na actually PENGASSAN suppose drag Dangote go Court if it feels the members if her union were unduly sacked.

Lol. Looking for sympathy from other unions is foolish. Threatening to shut down the nation is tantamount to treason. In a place where there is law and order, the union would drag Dangote to court while the sacked workers protest out side his gates.

Maybe you should advice Dangote to ask his to employees get a sworn affidavit from the Court that they would not join any Union whatsoever before accepting an employment...

I am very sure you can do that.

Dangote is not Nigeria and Nigeria is not Dangote.

Dangote either respects ILO laws, the laws of the Nigeria and abide by them or sells off his refinery.
This is not his cement company or sugar factory.

Winnin009:
Go and read about private individuals, not even companies now, that are regarded as national assets. The fact that you even had to ask that.. you really suppose go dump your phone for water.

For example, read about how the Korean government treats the Samsung family.

Im bending what narrative? The price of fuel or what? Lol. Has it not been steady cheaper since Dangote started refining?

Obviously, objective reasoning dey far from you. What's worse, you don't even have to reason objectively in this case cause the facts are obvious.

If PENGASSAN feels they're in the right, they should seek redress in court. But they know they'll lose in any sensible court.

When last did you hear that PENGASSUN was in Court ?

It is Dangote who should go to Court if he feels PENGASSUN are infringements.

Winnin009:
Bro, if you think this war is about fuel price then you ought to throw you phone away and play with sand or something.

Let's not address the other misinformation you wrote there.

Is Dangote refinery a private business now a national asset?


How many Nigerians are benefiting from it?

Does Dangote give freebies to those sets of Nigerians benefiting from it?


I am not the misinformed but your likes who bend narratives to suit your deception.


Does my post have anything to do with price of petrol or does the issue at hand talk about price of petrol or you don't understand what I have written !!!!!



Or you want to tell me why Dangote is having issues with his Nigerian workers not wanting them to join PENGASSUN?

Islie:
Dangote refinery asks Nigerians to stand against TUC, PENGASSAN amid labour dispute



https://www.thecable.ng/dangote-refinery-asks-nigerians-to-stand-against-tuc-pengassan-amid-labour-dispute/

Dangote refinery cannot be hiding under the guise of national asset and be robbing Nigerians in broad daylight.

Only gullibles fall for this kind of jokes and jokers.

All those saying Dangote is a private business and PENGASSUN should go and open their own refinery, I do hope Dangote is protecting your interest by selling by any price he dictates to you gullibles while he wants you to protect his business by telling you it's a national assets because...
This same man went to Court, imploring the Court to make all petroleum products importers to buy from him and him alone and to make the NNPC withdraw import licences...!!!!
After much dribbling he went to Court to withdraw his case since it lacks sense....
Dangote is the new self acclaimed national assets.
Well , let those who have sense make good use of it.

People are blaming PBAT for trying to make Nigeria a one party State but these same people are applauding Dangote for his senseless and selfish desires.


Well PENGASSUN is not like NLC or TUC....

Bar1941:
What destruction are you going to carry out that you and your boy Satanyanhu have not done already?

Right now, everyone needs to start asking isn’t it a modified HAMAS created by Israel that carried out the Oct. 7th kidnapping? Because with the power Israel and the US claimed to have, the one they used to eliminate all authentic HAMAS leaders, how come they can’t use it to locate the ones holding the captives and rescue them instead of killing innocent civilians?

The fact remains it’s a pre-planned agenda between Israel and the US long before Oct. 7th to steal more land from the Palestines. Trump even testified to the fact by insinuating he will use Palestinian land to make a Resort.

You can use whatever power you have against them today, but you CAN NOT kill their resilience. Victory awaits the Palestinians.

I wonder what kind of victory awaits them and where !!!!

Don't be delusional.

hendyrills:
Good day nairalanders, I work in a private firm and earn half a million naira. I work on holidays and 6 days a week. Now my uncle just me that he has a slot in Nigeria immigration and wants me to join, I checked their salary and it’s way below what I make where I work.
In terms of job security, where I work isn’t that secured but we have staffs who have worked here for 10-15 years counting. Im confused…should I quit and join immigration or stay here and save up to start a business?

You don't need anyone's advice if you have persons who have worked 10-15 years there and still working there.

The only question you need to ask yourself is what do you want to make out of life working there assuming you're to be there in 20 years time?


Assume same if you go to the immigration with the minimum wage and say 20 years, how do you envisage life?

Samantha125:
So what now made her beautiful? I guess she went under the knife and he considers her botched body as beautiful.

Nope, not everyone has to go for botched bodys'.

There are women who not good looking physically but when they marry the right husband who takes care and loves them, you'll be amazed at how her physical looks will change for the best.
I have seen such.

lionshare:
Once again, you've avoided answering the core question: What is the scriptural basis for being called or ordained? You made a claim, and I'm simply asking you to support it with Scripture.

The passage I quoted was to emphasize that as Christians, we shouldn’t make assertions we can’t back up with the Word. It’s not in line with Christian integrity to do so.

You're asking a very rare question which shouldn't be.
I shouldn't be the one that will bring up a Scripture to back it up for it doesn't exist.
The first lady shouldn't have brought such.

I want to believe you have heard the name Bro. Gbile Akani.......

[quote author=loffyloffy post=136970469]Bros your heads are in the cloud, you are more of a theorist than a realistic.

While it is True that God should call you into ministry before you start a church, it is not necessarily true that everyone that have to work with you in leadership to run that ministry must be directly called by God.

Moses was called by God, but he chose the elders that worked with him.

While the Apostle were called they elected people of good character, who in all likelihood have gone through a training process to be leaders in the church.

When Paul was telling us the criteria for choosing a Bishop, he never mentioned that he must have been called by God as a criteria.

Jesus christ himself settled this kind of discussion when he was talking about 'Eunuchs' .He said some are 'born', some are 'made eunuch by men' and some of their own choice ' made themselves eunuch for the kingdom'

Just replace the word 'eunuch' with 'pastor' and you will catch my flow.

You should not start a ministry unless God call you, But you can rise up to become anything within a ministry without being explicitly called by God.

[/quote

The issue we have in Africa and especially Nigeria is that we put too much bearing and weight in titles which shouldn't be so.
The work of God doesn't work that way.

I am very sure you have heard the name Bro. Gbile Akani.

In Christianity such titles have spiritual implications. Answering certain titles here on earth is irrelevant if heaven has not registered your name to such titles.

lionshare:
Maybe you should go find them. Don’t deflect—just answer the question: What is the scriptural way to be called or ordained? We’re reading the same Bible. It’s unchristian to make claims you can’t prove—2 Timothy 2:15.

I am not deflecting.
I hope the verse you put up is not a verse you considered to address the the discussion?

If we are reading the same Bible then it would be easy for you to show me where a Bible College or any resemblance of it was set up before one is ordained a Pastor or made one....

Apostle Paul and Bro. Timothy did not attend any Bible College or did they attend?

izzou:
[color=royalblue] Anyone who has worked in a corporate environment will know that your employer cannot love you more than your Union.

The Nigerian law clearly stipulates workers to have a Union when their strength exceeds a minimum number

But because Dangote is the first man, and first oil company to exist on earth, we should burn the Nigerian constitution.

No wonder Chinese and Indian firms don't take us seriously. Anything goes in Nigeria.[/color]

Please with respect to the bold. What's that number?

Thanks.

lionshare:
pls tell us what’s the criteria?

You probably have to ask Prophet Elisha and John the Baptist.